Marketplace
The seller is away until 29 Jan, 2023. If you buy this item, expect a delay in delivery.
Same seller as the popular group buys, a bit more expensive but still a great deal.
Seagate ST16000NM001G 16TB Exos X16 512e 6GB 3.5 SATA Enterprise Hard Drive US$225.49 (~A$322.6) Delivered @ Eastdigital HK eBay
550
Kazusa on 18/01/2023 - 14:11 ebay.com.au (2250 clicks)
Last edited 18/01/2023 - 15:00 by 2 other users
Last edited 18/01/2023 - 15:00 by 2 other users
Related Stores
closed Comments
Wow that GB sounded like a lot of work. I hope neology didn't get PTSD from it.
Orders from the last GB had been way more than I expected….. Try to relax a bit now ….
@Neology: I missed out on the last one - But well done, a service to the community!
… I hate to ask, but do you have a super rough ETA on when the next GB might be? Or perhaps a 'not before X at the earliest' ?
any deals on 12tb
Not sure about the eBay listing, but I had a crash on one of the 12 TB Exos drives I got from the Neology group buy.
Reported to Neology, who arranged a return slip for me and shipped me back a new drive (which is rebuilding in my NAS at the moment)I asked ED to have some reserved stock with me for the GB DoA/RMA .
You're a legend, mate! Many thanks again!
These are OEM stock, Warranty is 3 Years with East Digital.
Seagate Warranty check website shows the model number but no warranty expiry info. Refers to the "Place of Purchase"
Could these be pulled out of external enclosures?
These are bare 3.5" hard drives….What are you talking?
@Neology: That these could be pulled out of external enclosures, especially if it isn't from an official retailer. They would appear as OEM drives for warranty purposes
@greatlamp: You're talking about pulling out from thousands of HDD from case and repack them with anti-static bag and put them into the Seagate box with serial number sticks on the 20-pack box…..Probably see the photos in this comment first: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/13260283/redir
$20.69/TB. Good deal.
Built my first PC in 2004 with a 200GB SATA2 HDD that cost me $180.
What a time to be alive.
"The seller is away until 29 Jan, 2023. If you buy this item, expect a delay in delivery."
Just FYI, They are on Chinese New Year holiday, won't dispatch until the end of the month
US$230.99
Why are you being charged twice for shipping?
Should only be US$225.49
Crikey, these won’t last long.
What do you mean?
Stock
They're Seagates
Cannot understand why Seagate's price in Australia is much higher than the price in CN.
These are OEM stock — not officially from Seagate and no warranty directly from Seagate.
If you are talking about Aussie local retails stock with seagate warranty, consider the following:
Import duty, GST, Local operational cost, Distributor & Retailer Channel profit, credit card/paypal surcharge, etc….
Some products come with Data Recovery add-on… will attract additional cost….I am talking about Seagate's official price, the price for X18 16TB(not OEM) in CN Seagate Official Store is approx 400AUD(normal price), and you can easily get 350 AUD in some official retailers. While official retailer in AU is selling the same product at over 500AUD(sale price), and 600AUD(normal price).
Western market gets viewed as cash cow
@ShrewdBargin: Do you think countries like Argentina where people source cheaper prices, with their average wage of $427 US a month can afford more?
https://www.timedoctor.com/blog/average-salary-in-argentina/
@scuderiarmani: I didn’t say that. Please be quiet and don’t try to forcefully create an issue where there is none.
@scuderiarmani: Nah, you should try being quiet.
Wages differing is a minor factor on an enterprise grade drive. Go get educated and try again later.
@scuderiarmani: Well they sure seem to be fans of YouTube premium, they've got millions of subscribers!
/S
I would refer it to Youtube Premium& Google One, Aussie price vs Turkish price, lol
Honestly a lot of these reasons are fairly superfluious, given the opportunity for customer direct dealings with the manufacturer over the internet.
Just goes to show how many "fake" jobs we have here in the west.
More of because they can
some countries are very price sensitive.
i worked in places where customers can argue with you over $5 markup.
I argue over $5 markup all the time. Here.
i should be more specific.
i was referring to B2B and eg orders of lots of 50, when selling at almost at cost with $5 markup where the other business is also having a 30day credit.it gets insane.
for B2C, whatever you want to argue, the margin is already built in. Unless exceptional instances, they will go at cost/under.
making customers argue and letting them feel like they won something is part of the strategy and very much alive in some countries.
thats why some places don't have price tags :)
Make sure you can get warranty on these, I have had 2 x x16 drives fail from a batch of 6 within 6 months.
Still have 4gb ones going strong after 12 years, just bad luck possibly.The 2 that failed, are they Exos drives?
Yes Exos x16.
Good drives, although a little noisy/clicky.
Didn't think you can get a 3.5-inch hard drive into a NR200p….but you can!
Slap it on the PSU shroud!
Why every time that I see a post about Exos surely there'll be people with newish failed drives ?
Isn't Exos suppose to be enterprise grade ?
Or is Exos the new Deathstar ?I think i might be a good position to answer this question given I've handled 600+pcs HDD from GB as well as the GB RMA.
For EXOS OEM stock, Seagate shipps them in form of pack of 20, see these photos from EastDigital's listing:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bsoAAOSwXbNhursi/s-l1600.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tDEAAOSwgmBf1s3k/s-l500.jpg
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/sMAAAOSwjKhindfY/s-l500.pngThey then repack them in smaller custom boxes to ship them to customers, something like this:
https://i.imgur.com/yQ1XvhH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lkoigOB.jpgThe hard drive package may get shocked, dropped or throwed during anytime in the logistic chain, could be with the wholesaler or FedEx/DHL or AusPost/Sendle.
Given the HDD is a mechanical device with pricision instrument in it, it could be damaged easily with the shock.
In my opinion, ED has done pretty well on the packaging to absord shock and be protective to HDDs, but there are still a chance that the HDD got damaged during transport.
For the GB, ED had already pre-packed all the HDDs in the relevant boxes, and ship them to me in the well packed large box.
As far as I know, ED spoken to me and they are analysing examples on the RMA cases and looking to keep improving their packaging to reduce the RMA rate.Hope this helps.
+1 for the … well just +1 👍
Looking at the foam packaging, there's nothing more ED can do. So it's the luck of the individual.
In addition, any HDD may have certain DoA,depends how it was packded and handled during transit. Personally I experienced one DoA and one failure with WD DC HC550 purchased from Amazon US (via Amazon AU).
My understanding on Enterprise grade HDD is more referring to MTBF, rather than an anti-shock index.
Confirmation bias maybe? Or a specific model of exos that has a higher failure rate?
14tb has higher failure rates than average while 16tb seems fine.
yikes those 12tb numbers
Which 12TB numbers? They all looked fine to me?
@Grazz989: i may be interpreting the table wrong
but m0008 has a slightly higher failure rate
but that could be because of large number of drive units used (im interpreting drive count as number of drives? is that correct?)
m0007 is also significant but that seems to be due to its insanely high drive days count. Which arguably is a good thing
@furythree: The statistic is based on the drive-days, yeah? Then they take the amount of failures, and work out how many failures per drive-day. But this number would be very very small, so they annualise it. Higher drive-days just means that they have more data to go off. If you want to see how old the drives are, divide the drive-days by the number of drives (drive count, yes), and you'll see how many days the average drive has been working for.
In short - Pay attention to the confidence intervals. If the two numbers are tight together, the real answer is almost definitely close to the AFR given. If the two numbers are far apart, then the AFR given probably isn't so accurate. The confidence intervals for the 07 and the 08 are both pretty tight, so the AFR is probably pretty accurate - But you can see that despite having way more drives, the 08's have far less drive-hours. That means they're much younger drives. If you think that the reliability will fall as the drives become older, then perhaps the AFR will worsen over time.
I suppose it's possible that they have some drives which get hammered 24x7 and others that get a rest in between drive-days, but I doubt it. I'm not sure what impact that would have on reliability, either. I suppose it's equally likely that some drives get hammered and others get used lightly yet they both rack up drive-days at the same rate, but again I don't think Backblaze would be doing that, or at least not moreso for one kind of drive than for another.
All drives fail eventually, could be today, could be tomorrow, could be in 10 years.
If they're Enterprise drives then the chances are less - but some will still fail.Always assume your drives are going to fail, and design your backup routine around this fact.
Got this message after purchase:
We are on vacation currently，will come back on 30th Jan， All orders can be shipped on 31th Jan.
If you can't wait so long time, you can cancel the order now.Thank you for your understanding and support!
X18 16TB $10 USD more….go for X18?
Most likely no. Even though they're a tiny bit faster, BackBlaze test results for Q3 2022 show worse fail rate, it is only a small sample size though: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q3-…
Additionally if you're using them with a Synology NAS, the X18 aren't listed as supported for a lot of their NAS boxes while the X16 are.
Personally I bought a Synology DS220j and picked up 2 of the 16tb X16 Exos during the last GB due to both reasons above.
The price is awesome… but so wish these were 18 or 20TB drives. I am torn… do I wait and see if 18/20TB drives become available at an awesome price, or get these.
You and me both!
Noob question, are these suitable as a normal storage drive in a PC ?
Yes. It is just like a normal 3.5 inch HDD.
Worth a try: anything for 4-8tb 3.5" (or other) drives?
For the guys with warranty questions or concerns - I ordered 5 through ED, had one DOA. They were fantastic to deal with for warranty purposes. Shipping is very quick, and all is paid for by ED.
Does it charge in USD or AUD via eBay?
A lot of these low rating reviews seem relevant to DOA and damages caused by poor packaging with Amazon, lol, rather than the hard drives themselves.
I had similar experience with Amazon, and that’s why I purchase HDD from ED afterwards
Yep Amazon packaging for the 8tb Blue drive the other day came in an overnight bag and 1 layer of bubble wrap, yet to check if the drive works though,
This is sydney pickup, 6 16TB eXOS drives
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/killara/components/6-near-ne…Restocked. 100 more available now.
Thanks for the tip - got one.
Warranty wise…?