Trying to get this coffee machine from quite sometime and found this machine at $1709.10 in David Jones. Then, I tried my luck to get them to match the price in nearest JBHifi store as well.
Straight to the link, it will show $1899. But, when you "Add to bag" option, it will add another "Extra 10%" . That will bring the cost to $1709.10.
It can wake you the (profanity) up to actually get those things in your life sorted though
Dual boiler https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/751746 + 700$ grinder is a significantly better deal.
I dont recomend anyone to buy this.
Yeah, this is a BDB with a $300 Breville grinder, but the selling point is the all-in-one with auto-tamp… it's a good machine for what it does.
Mine replaced a Silvia+Rocky combo, this wins on convenience & consistency.
Why is the dual boiler better? is the only reason so you can steam and pour coffee at the same time so in otherwords save 30 seconds of time?
Dual boiler is better because:
1 - it's $800 cheaper
2 - you don't have a mediocre grinder attached to it. That means it forces you to buy a separate grinder and hence you can (should you choose) buy an excellent one. I would argue a grinder is more important than the coffee machine (crap in, crap out). You can get a pretty awesome grinder for $800.
3 - you can easily modify it to have a feature only found in much more expensive machines. This is called the 'Slayer mod'. Granted this feature is probably only appreciated only by the most elite coffee snobs, but the possibility is there.
i'd argue if you are an elite coffee snob, you would've graduated from a BDB to a gs3 or de1 instead of mucking around with a 'mod' that's so inaptly named…
@plentifoo: I've regularly use both a LM commercial machine at my roasting club meets and a BDB at home. The difference really isn't as much as you think it is, after you account for the skill of the operator.
If you can genuinely taste the difference then more power to you.
Dual is French for two and two is better than un.
Have had both. Oracle wins hands down.
Probably go with the same item at David Jones for $969 instead.
what crappy advice
This is a semi automated machine vs the fully manual one on yours
I've had this machine for over a year now and wouldn't go back to anything else
It does all the hard work for you, tamping, auto milk froth as well
Great price for a dual boiler machine & grinder with auto-tamp… good consistent shots & almost no mess.
You probably have know clue on how to make a coffee then lol
Oh, I'll throw my 12 yo silvia and SSP burr grinder away then, and think about having an opinion.
Mate get off your high-horse, you give the espresso hobby such a shit rep. Yes a decent machine with a separate quality grinder will yield better pulls at the end of the day - but if you think you can't make good espresso on an Oracle you're just a snob lmao.
Get out of here with your gatekeeping, bud - we don't want you. You're only outing yourself as someone who doesn't actually understand espresso anyway - which I would be embarrassed about if I'd being doing it for more than a decade.
You’re definitely the one at fault.
Next time try grind the beans first
probably the crappy 2 dollar beans you're buying.
If you want auto tamp and constant milk, this is for you. Great machine once you adjust a few settings, YouTube has got some helpful videos to help.
Also, fresh coffee is a must. Can never get Aldi beans to taste good, but 3 week old roasted tastes great.
You've not tried that hard, their coffee range is pretty good. If you can't get the flavour out that's probably more to do with your workflow and machine
Maybe in your state, but not in WA.
Agreed. The Aldi beans are one of the better supermarket beans around. At least here in Melbourne.
I still buy freshly roasted, however if I need some in a pinch Aldi works well.
I've seen them up to one week out of their roasted date, that is in melbourne mind you
$809 for Brevilla barista pro
How does it boil the water
Magic?
A little known fact is that these machines come with white glove service. We had an excellent experience with our local Breville Account Manager who came and set up the machine for us, brought us some beans and gave us some great tips and tricks on how to get the best out of the machine.
https://www.cluboracle.com.au/services/white-glove-service-a…
thats amazing, never knew that this even was a thing
I'll stick with my $20 aeropress thanks.
My oracle predicted that I won’t buy this! rancilio silvia plus Rancilio Rocket Grinder bought altogether with extra shelve for about $1000 delivered 7 years ago still go strong.
It's a totally different system and target market.
Paying more than a dual boiler for an integrated grinder with its additional points of failure and its increased complexity of maintenance is a poor trade off unless you truly require the smaller footprint for your kitchen. The convenience fee being charged for this all-in-one is particularly ridiculous given the quality of the grinder.
Refurbished dual-boiler and a df64 or df83 is what I would be looking at were I in the market right now. I expect to see a decent surge in secondhand bdb availability when the slayer integrated model finally launches.
Is the slayer integrated model actually ever launching though? I was under the impression there were patent infringement issues to work out.
Yeah, I am not sure. I definitely should have thrown a /if on that when. Patent law often seems profoundly ridiculous, so who knows when or if it'll shake out.
I don't think that the new machine will be competitive compared to buying and slayer modding a bes920 so my primary interest would be in the extended window of better secondhand prices.
Yep my bdb is slayer modded and I have no desire to upgrade currently.
@blues99: Which slayer mod guide did you use? I’m finding that there’s a few variations and many of them aren’t explained well enough for a layperson like me to understand!
@Fotato: I mostly followed this one bit it's not perfect
https://youtu.be/scSk2YWhsZY
Happy to answer any questions.
@blues99: Thanks! Do you taste an appreciable difference?
I’m currently just using a long 18 second preinfuse to ramp up the pressure along with turning the hot water spigot a tiny bit to reduce the pressure to 9 bars. Wondering if I’ll see a big improvement if I end up doing the slayer mod.
@Fotato: Probably not, only major benefit then might be that you can reduce flow at the end of the shot as the puck naturally degrades…… My taste buds aren't that sensitive but it's still fun to have. You obviously lose the hot water spout. You can also adjust the opv if you want to reduce peak pressure.
slayer integrated (grinder?) model? you've piqued my interest. Slayer as in the commercial espresso machine brand slayer?
Slayer modded i.e. the ability to adjust the flow rate during the extraction
oh it just means the breville dbs with pressure profiling…
slayers aren't the only machines that have pressure profiling…la marzoccos gs3, decent de1 to name a few.
@plentifoo: I didn't say they were. I'm just saying the slayer mod which allows the adjustment of flow.
I was referring specifically to this unreleased model: https://youtu.be/DNE5liiBokY
Even if patent issues aren't in play, I wouldn't be surprised if they're holding off release based on the current global economic circumstances or potentially because they are working on a series. It is easy to imagine them attempting a Decent killer as a series flagship—especially easy if you have ever had the pleasure and simultaneous frustration of using a Decent.
It’s basically the same as the BDB & Breville grinder, but with auto milk, auto tamping, smaller footprint & less mess. I paid extra to get those extra features, and because it means it’s easier for family/friends to use.
It’s a quick & easy workflow and very very consistent.
i will never understand the need for a 'manual' machine with a built in grinder. it doesn't know what it wants to be and so are the people who decide to get this. If you want to take your coffee seriously, get the DB + a grinder, if you don't, just get a super auto like a jura that grinds fresh beans all behind the scene. This falls in no man's land.
It kind of doesn't though? The machines are popular because simplicity without going the whole hog to a superauto. Everything is automated (milk, tamping) and it can be set up with presets. It's a different experience to machine plus grinder because the workflow is simpler and quicker. That's their target audience: quick and easy without the compromises entailed by fully automatics.
but therein lies the problem - the quality of espresso from machines like the oracle doesn't come close at all, the integrated grinder simply lacks adjustments fine enough to replicate the quality of cafe espresso. if i had to make a conclusion, i'd say it'll be closer to the super auto than it is to a manual coffee machine, in which case the idea of having a portafilter or a tamp is arbitrary to the taste in cup and it's more marketing gimmick by Breville to make users feel more 'involved'.
A lot of sh*t talk about the oracle & the grinder.
Have you ever used one?
@Carrera1963: I bought oracle for $1695 and it works quite well. The sturdiness of the various components as compared to barista pro was huge. You can see the premium finish. My palate is not very sensitive so I couldn't tell the difference in the coffee taste but then I was also using slightly older beans as I got them with the breville promotion
@Carrera1963: I own one and what they say about the grinder is totally wrong. The espresso quality is good. The settings are adequate and granular enough to get most beans to extract well . I think your hunch is right, a lot of opinion without any actual knowledge of the machine
I've been using this for more than half and year. To be honest this is the best all-in-one coffee machine that suits people who do not want a new hobby. If you only want a quality coffee and don't want to learn anything about making coffee, then this is for you. Otherwise, you can have a double boiler and a stand-alone grinder, which require you to have more passion for coffee.
Back in my day a manual espresso machine had more leavers and less buttons and switches.
well its not longer back in the day, the year is 2023 not 1960
yep its worth it for the price.
How did the JB price match go?
Thanks op
Gah. Just about to pull the trigger on one of these but can't find the stainless steel version for anything under $2300.
We would price match as long as an Australian physical retailer has stock
How do I organise that?
doing it in store is the frictionless way to do it, but you should™️ be able to get the live chat to do it too
@theg00s3: My experience with jb has been really poor. The employees try to avoid it as if they are paying from their own pockets. There are all sorts of exclusions listed such as "oh its a bundle price", "oh its commercial price", "oh we don't have stock left" when it shows online to have stock in a store, "oh its a coupon sale but not the listed price" etc etc. I had better luck at good guys and i thought they were owned by the same company. I had a giftcard which I had to sell at a loss as I just couldn't buy anything at jb even with the giftcard loss considered in my purchase price at other retailers
Machine is brilliant. Easy to operate. Makes coffee very quickly and froths the milk quite well. Great for when you have a number of guests wanting a coffee. Much less hassle than a prosumer setup. I used to have an Expobar Minore 3 and Mazzer Mini. This is much more convenient and better by miles and you would be picking through straws to really taste the difference in the coffee between the 2 setups. The plumbed in Expobar leaked too and flooded my floating floor which then had to be replaced under a claim.
get a dual boiler and a separate grinder.
if you are happy with your cheaper current machine, don't upgrade. trust me. i went down the rabbit hole and should have just stayed with pods, lol.
went to my rich friends house and tried freshly roasted coffee grinded just before brewing, and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! i couldn't afford his stupid expensive machine, but i got something cheaper to get me started. im in the market for a dual boiler now.
if you like instant coffee, stick with it. save your money to waste on other great ozbargains.
let me guess he single/sample batch roasted 18-20g beans on an ikawa?
Please mention that the usual breville promotion is not currently on. This is the reason I am negatively voting for people to read the comment unless we can update in the post.
https://promotions.breville.com.au/past-promotions/bonus-del…
The master-class is useless but other things if bought separately will come up to be around $250.
This promo often comes around and you can get the machine around $1700 easily.
Also worth waiting for the 10-15% off giftcards. I was impatient so used the TGG giftcards at 4%
I did learn some things from the master class. Wasn't too bad for a noob like me.
The guy even answered some of my questions
Yes a thing or two but surely not worth $430
the people commenting negative about this machine are the ones who do not own one. They think they are Superior with their all manual machines
I've owned this one for a while now and I can tell you its a brilliant machine.
Semi auto or you can do it all manual
The grinder is amazing
The coffee is amazing
Don't read the negatives on this post, they are all haters.
I only negged it as the current promotion of free extras is not on otherwise i think below $1700 is very rare these days
Yeah I bought one around the time of this offer and was glad I didn't listen to some of the opinions here, the most negative of which appear to be from people who don't either know how to use the machine or have never used this one. The coffee is great, and the workflow really straightforward.
I picked up this machine just over a year ago. It performs reasonably well, convenient but still a bit messy with the shots (I might not be doing it justice however).
The big issue is that it broke last week, took it to get repaired but it's a 3+ week wait due to the sheer volume of them to repair. Awkward and annoying for a coffee machine of this price.
The Oracle is the top-tier Breville dual boiler machine, which uses the dual boilers from the BES920.
To differentiate from the basic dual boiler, the Oracle has:
An added integrated grinder similar to the Barista Express, but with an automatic tamping mechanism that happens after you grind the beans into the portafilter.
The steam wand has integrated thermal sensing so it can texture the milk on its own, and uses a solenoid to switch it on/off (the dual boiler has a manual steam lever).
Personally, I like using my BES920 as I prefer the manual steam lever, enjoy the manual milk texturing and like the single dosing of a DF64 grinder. This works for me as I enjoy the manual process, but would frustrate some who just want to get the same cup of coffee each morning, without tweaking and adjusting so much.
I have respect for the Oracle as Breville's top line product, it is aimed for the person wanting to make cafe quality coffee at home, with a simple repeatable process most adults in the home can follow.
One thing many first time buyers miss is that these machines need to be serviced after a few years, or they will develop a cascade of issues leading to an expensive breakdown.
The dual boiler machine will need regular maintenance, particularly after around 2 years time where o-ring seals need to be checked and lubricated. The Oracle, being more mechanically complex will have additional maintenance demands to ensure it keeps working as intended.
I’ve owned a BES870 for over 5 years and haven’t had it serviced yet. It’s showing no signs of any issues. Is there anything I need to look out for? I don’t want to service it if I don’t have to (I also want a better machine :o)
One of the common problems for unmaintained Dual Boilers after a few years is when you hear steam escaping from inside the machine.
If left in this state, countless electrical (and proabably safety) issues arise needing more expensive replacement parts.
The Breville service centre changes the o-rings, the main gasket on the group and performs a descale when I take it in every few years.
The BES870 has a thermoblock so no boilers as they are in the dual boiler/oracle so no thermal probes and such that need the orings to be replaced (as far as I know).
It most likely just needs routine descaling, brushing out the grinder, changing the gasket on the group and so on.
I just noticed I was wrong about the steam - looking at the picture it seems the Oracle has a steam lever (automatic when down, manual use for up, so that's a good thing in my book - (hopefully the up function is not just a simple switch).
Just got this from David Jones about my order:
"Dear —-
Thank you for your recent order 1_______6789 with David Jones.
We’re sorry to let you know that unfortunately, we are unable to fulfil this order. On the rare occasion an item at our Fulfilment Centre is damaged or missing we will only find out when we go to pick your order."
…. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. (profanity).
I have had mine for over 4 years now. I get fresh beans every 2 weeks and service every 12-18 months. It's been an amazing machine so far for me. Last service which was after 3.5 years after the purchase was about $350 because it needed the new steam wand replacement. Otherwise, Brevelle recommends servicing ever year, but you can push it to 1.5 years and budget about $150 - $250 for a service. Also, machine does require 15 minutes to properly heat up and about 5-8 minutes cleaning at the end of the day. If you just want a quick coffee, this might not be the best option for you.
One a month clean requires a good half an hour to clean all the grinder parts, back flush the espresso group head, opening the steam wand and thoroughly cleaning it. Hands down. cleaner, well-maintained machine will make far superior coffee than not cleaned or maintained machine.
I have time to time considered Nespresso for ease of use and convenience, but this machine does make amazing coffee when you feed it with good fresh beans.
PS: If you plan to buy cheap beans from supermarket, don't waste your money on the machine, it won't make a very good coffee. If the beans don't have a roasted-on date, it's not the freshly roasted beans. I wouldn't take them for free.
@16k-zx81 when did you place your order and when was it cancelled?
I ordered last night before I had seen the thread that out of stock.
I need a new machine old one stopped working and was hoping to get this deal.
5 days after the last comment and the price is already back to $3200. Gotta be quick ay. Anyone know how often these deals come up? Cheers.
AND … it can't drive me to work, fix the car or clean up the house!