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Return Airfare to China (20 Cities via Guangzhou): Melbourne from $748, Sydney from $768 @ China Southern via Google Travel

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Return Airfare to China (20 Cities via Guangzhou): Melbourne from $748, Sydney from $768 @ China Southern via Google Travel
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Loads of cities in China for $748 from Melbourne ; and $768 from Sydney.

I haven't listed out all the routes, but here are the cities I found that were working at these prices (might be more):

Beijing (PKX)
Changsha (CSX)
Chongqing (CKG)
Fuzhou (FOC)
Harbin (HRB)
Hangzhou (HGH)
Jinan (TNA)
Kunming (KMG)
Lijiang (LJG)
Ningbo (NGB)
Nanjing (NKG)
Qingdao (TAO)
Shanghai (SHA)
Shenyang (SHE)
Shijiazhuang (SJW)
Tianjin (TSN)
Wuhan (WUH)
Wuxi (WUX)
Xiamen (XMN)
Xi'an (XIY)

Sydney dates are pretty limited, quite a few more from Melbourne. All flights are via Guangzhou on China Southern.

FYI China is now somewhat open, you don't need to quarantine, but you do still need a negative COVID test.

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  • 87percent on 30/01/2023 - 21:33
    +128

    Personally, I wouldn’t be travelling to China any time soon

    • shabaka on 30/01/2023 - 21:42
      +2

      amen!

      • HK Refugee on 31/01/2023 - 19:21

        it's easy to travel in, but can be hard to get out sometimes ;)

    • Spacexyz on 30/01/2023 - 21:47
      +5

      By the time your visa is granted (if you apply tmr), they'll have reached 100% herd immunity already.

    • Stopback on 30/01/2023 - 21:49
      +6

      Have you ever?

      • ozbking on 30/01/2023 - 22:09
        +77

        I have many times, people there are fine but the government seems to go out of their way to make it hard for tourists.

        $130 for a visa, need to wait for an hour to organise it (pre covid), difficult buying any high speed rail ticket since you are not allowed to use the self service without a Chinese ID, google maps is only half complete, while baidu maps has a barely useable UI.
        Most places won’t accept Mastercard or visa, you can’t apply for Ali pay or we pay without a Chinese bank account AND a Chinese mobile, even with a Chinese bank account, you can’t easily use the same account in another state.

        It was honestly more stressful travelling there than most other countries I’ve been to. This is despite being able to apply for a Chinese bank account with HSBC and having friends who could help. No interest in going back any time soon.

        • Linsurgency on 30/01/2023 - 22:12
          +25

          I had the same experience and this is my sentiments exactly. They really do go all out to make it hard for westerners to travel. At least that's what it seems…

        • kogi on 30/01/2023 - 22:16
          -2

          just pay for a car, driver and translator. it’s ozbargain cheap

          • ozbking on 30/01/2023 - 22:17
            +36

            @kogi: I can speak and read Chinese natively and it was still a nightmare, and Beijing and Shanghai are just as expensive as Australia.

            • CptnObvious on 30/01/2023 - 22:29
              +13

              @ozbking: You visit the upper end or tourist part of town then you pay a premium - it's the same everywhere buddy. Avoid the tourist trap by doing research beforehand and go where locals eat and shop, especially when you have the advantage of being a native speaker.

              • ozbking on 30/01/2023 - 22:34
                +18

                @CptnObvious: I actually travelled all throughout , and they are definitely much cheaper, and arguably nicer.

                Just trying to explain to the person above about China not being universally cheap.

                  • ozbking on 30/01/2023 - 22:51
                    +12

                    @CptnObvious: Fair comment, I probably am just more used to self service. I refuse to go to a normal checkout at Coles or McDonalds, just hate the inefficiency to doing so.

                    Really the biggest issue I had was with visa and Mastercard not being accepted, it’s so backward

                    • Frozensage on 31/01/2023 - 11:12
                      +5

                      @ozbking: if you have wechat or alipay then you don't need visa or mc. I would argue we are the ones still riding around on horse back instead of driving a car. They have just embraced digital and integrated technology more, where as we say we want everything digital but I can't even get 24/7 tech support from my ISP (auspost) and still need a physical card to catch a train.

                      • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 31/01/2023 - 12:16
                        +1

                        @Frozensage: We could easily have a similar platform if we had a totalitarian government wanting (and allowed) to control every aspect of our lives.

              • cache on 31/01/2023 - 13:16

                @CptnObvious: ditto. ozbking needs to find a not-too-wealthy local to take him to places

          • Agent Q on 30/01/2023 - 22:30
            +1

            @kogi: Just see if your complimentary government minders can help you along the way..

        • DontNeedThis on 30/01/2023 - 22:20
          +26

          $130 is too expensive? Have you ever seen the visa fees for Australia? It's the most rip-off country in the world. I've paid well over $15K for visa fees in the past 5 years.

        • Fatfat on 30/01/2023 - 22:41
          +1

          If u want to travel other city, using CHSR, or CRH, buy the ticket via railways agent or buy at railways station. Because lots of service there. If you travel within the city, use Didi or other taxi service. Similar to Uber… It is quite convenientb there.

        • Stopback on 30/01/2023 - 22:58
          +2

          Pre covid. I went easy to get around.

          Used 28 degrees. Guess times changed.

          Can't remember if I needed a visa. But took the fast train easily enough.

        • Eeples on 30/01/2023 - 23:14
          +13

          I view most of that stuff as learning about a foreign culture.

          Dealing with money, hotels, speed trains, using guides on the internet (such as how to catch the speed train to Mt Huashan, or deal with the CVASC) is just (for me) part of my tourist experience.

          EDIT:
          The Australian visa for citizens of China has a standard processing time of maximum 30 days. So ensure you apply in time for your travel plans. The cost per person is USD $256.49. (16 Jan 2023)
          (A bit longer than 1 hour and a bit more expensive than $130AUD)

        • jowu15 on 30/01/2023 - 23:30
          +2

          I used my Australia mobile number registered an Alipay and a wechat account many years ago.
          You said bank account not easily used in another state, that maybe many years ago, but has change long time ago. You complaint about map, I think also an old problem, Gaode map is very good.

          • ozbking on 31/01/2023 - 01:19
            +3

            @jowu15: I tried, HSBC system wouldn’t allow an Australian number. And other banks wouldn’t open a bank account with a foreigner.

            I did go in 2018-2019, so things may have changed during COVID.

            The issue with maps is the difficulty of experiencing a great system (like Google), then using something that just isn’t as good (like Apple). In China, it was even harder to download apps, given Chinese android doesn’t use GMS. Even the HSBC CN app wouldn’t work on android. On my iOS device, I couldn’t change the App Store to China.

            I don’t know if you are a Chinese citizen, but it’s actually very different going there as a foreigner.

            • jowu15 on 31/01/2023 - 11:02
              +7

              @ozbking: I can share my experience of open a Chinese bank account with you and hope its helps in the future. I used my Australia passport to open Chinese bank accounts. I could not do it at Bank of China because I was on a tourist visa, but I was able to open an account with JiaoTao Bank（交通银行）and 工商银行 in 2018. Each bank has its own criteria, if you really want to open one just try a few of them. I was curious so I tried a few more banks, most of them agree to open an bank account for me. I am not sure but I suspect different provinces may have different criteria.
              Recently I activated a Boost sim for someone come from Italy but we could not download Boost app to a phone that was purchased from JB HiFi, because her google account is an Italian one. I even tried to download from Boost website, still no luck.
              For myself some Chinese apps cannot downloaded on my iphone or android phone easily, I have to work around it or live without.
              Before Covid, if you enter from Hainan island, you can stay in China for 30 days without the need obtain a visa in advance. You can go from Hannan to everywhere else in China as well. China just announced it will open Hannan to the world further.
              Most of system catered for most of people but not everyone, when you are a minority then sometimes you need to try harder, thats is true to everywhere

            • silverwalker on 31/01/2023 - 21:06

              @ozbking: hey bro, in changing the location, all you need to do is to ensure you have proper street, province, and phone number. I do it all the time whild try to update the games in Asia Region.

        • hotdish on 30/01/2023 - 23:49
          +3

          Having travelled to China on several occasions I share some of your frustrations. However, not hard to take a Citibank debit card, pre load it and withdraw cash when you arrive. Seriously.

          • hoey888 on 01/02/2023 - 11:12
            +1

            @hotdish: Does this use case still apply since this NAB takeover of Citibank (Aus) operations? Can we still use debit card from Citibank ATM to withdraw cash without fees?

        • belongsinforums on 30/01/2023 - 23:52
          +9

          regarding the ali pay bullshit, you're spot on. regarding visas, it's much harder for chinese to get an australian tourist visa than the other way. visa agreements are generally reciprocal

        • lost in transit on 31/01/2023 - 04:52
          +3

          Things must have changed since 2008, went all over China with a mate, had non of these issues…
          Thoroughly enjoyed the country and people and felt safe…

        • Jamesx on 31/01/2023 - 09:57
          +13

          You sounded just like ABC and other Western media. What you said is NOT wrong, but you didn't mention what was better. So the readers would think, it's so awful there! but why did you go there many times??!!

          If you don't know the alternatives, I don't blame you. As many Chinese tourist found similar issues in AU but maybe a bit easier in paying by cards.
          However, since you have friends in China & been there many times, you'd know better.

          If you did know the alternatives,
          you know there're way better FREE maps than Google Map (it left China years ago),
          you can use VISA&MC in many places but cash also works (why VISA & MC not associate with all China banks? because they were too greedy in negotiating when China opened up >40 years ago!),
          you can buy train ticket easily & board it easily. If you wanted the convenience to buyer & board the train walking straight in via facial scan, you'd accept SOMEONE have your personal details & use it! You'd scream privacy, or worse, put hater, racist or whatever here as always…
          $130 for a visa, @Eeples puts it perfectly: The Australian visa for citizens of China has a standard processing time of maximum 30 days. So ensure you apply in time for your travel plans. The cost per person is USD $256.49. (16 Jan 2023)
          (A bit longer than 1 hour and a bit more expensive than $130AUD)
          No interest in going back any time soon. You've gone many times, maybe try other countries and share your experiences here again?

          I know exactly what kind of brain washing there is, so I can smell what kind of brain washing here! The difference? One tells you black is white, another tells you black is sort of grey! Neither are telling the truth.
          Why? Is that even hard to figure out? But many people believe the shit because they'd rather believe shit than truth!

          • Frozensage on 31/01/2023 - 11:22
            +1

            @Jamesx: Difference is here they let you think you have all the freedom in the world until you don't, like when everyone got locked down during covid or if you have opposing views to the mainstream PC narrative eg: ukraine, gay marriage, unisex toilets, gender equality, first nation… you tried to voice the opposite view to this in public? You'll be reigned in super quick. Everyone's on a leash, one you just don't know how far you can run b4 being pulled. Everyone is brainwashed in some form, the government and media all have their own agenda, if all your opinion is based what you see and read and hear, then how do you know it's really the truth?

          • ozbking on 31/01/2023 - 13:50
            +1

            @Jamesx: I went there multiple times because my wife was travelling there for work. I travelled to keep her company, and attached a bit of sightseeing.
            I even checked myself into a one day conference that was happening. I have been to 40-50 different countries for tourism, so I do feel I can compare appropriately.

            I did enjoy the sights like the Great Wall, many of the cities, especially not the top tier cities. However, I wouldn’t say I enjoyed it at the same level as other countries, such as Japan.

            But for someone who doesn’t normally touch cash (haven’t used in Australia for years), and finding the inconveniences in China compared to other countries I’ve visited, I was very frustrated with my experience.

            What was better? The subway and high speed rail system was better than Australi, though again because you need to show your passport for the high speed rail, that was a frustrating experience. Advertising in the subway was a bit too much, and Tokyo definitely still has a much better system, especially with easier integration with Australian iPhones and android phones.
            Chinese food was more varied, and better in quality, as you would expect. Some restaurants could get quite expensive, but it’s good to have that option of fine dining too.
            It’s clean-ish. Not at the level of Singapore or Scandinavian countries, and some places like Zhouzhuang was quite dirty. Beijing was fine when it didn’t have smog, but was awful when it did.

            I think many of your comments are a bit ridiculous. Saying it’s a fault of visa or Mastercard, when the main issue was to do with government approval. Seeing the news, it seems Mastercard only got approval in 2020, after I visited.
            https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/11/mastercard-given-approval-…
            I would argue this is quite backward compared to surrounding countries. For example, when did Thailand start accepting Mastercard properly?

            You seem quite biased towards China, you don’t seem to accept that the chinese government has actually put many restrictions in place due to politics and surveillance that do make it much harder to carry out certain normal activities, than many other countries.

            • Jamesx on 01/02/2023 - 13:03
              +1

              @ozbking: I'm glad you enjoyed your trips there. You are NOT wrong about things are not desirable.

              You should dig why Visa & Master not in China around 1980.
              "Many of your comments are a bit ridiculous" Which one?
              AU 10 year VISA costed $1k+ each for my friends & non refundable even with pandemic. The VISA fees are reciprocal! It's AU Gov charges more, am I wrong?
              Or, you wanted to use facial scan but unwilling to give up your passport details to train operator?
              or, there're better FREE maps?
              Or, you have to use cash instead of card? You could link your credit card to pay with AliPay or WeChat pay which almost every Chinese use all the time. but you have to submit your ID to verify your details.

              Did you read the brainwash bit? Who said black is white there?

              Your original post was BIASED. I'm simply point out like many others about the one sided comments. In doing so, I'm biased too? Did I say "what you said was not wrong"?

              Just a general comments (If anyone dare say anything good about our "enemy states", that person (like me) is the enemy! I knew this 50 years ago - from a famous communist slogan, LOL! ):

              To tell the truth about something is better there is pro C? Yeah, if all the bad things are all you want to hear, then listen to those, who cares about truth.

              If a media talking about AU once a month about bush fire, demonstrate during lockdowns, flooding, antivax parade, "It's not a race", Alice Spring saga etc, and nothing else. What do you call the media? Anti-AU or pro C, or both? That's what ABC Bill Birtles style. Try to find a few his China report that is NOT negative for me please. Even the lighter stories had a smirk undertone.

          • HK Refugee on 31/01/2023 - 19:30
            +1

            @Jamesx: @Jamesx Can you explain to me why they changed English words in train stations to pin yin?

            https://youtu.be/p5M1XBrTkzw?t=507

            I love how you bring up the word 'brainwash' in your post, considering their internet firewalls works by keeping the Mongolians out, not the other way around :)

            • Jamesx on 01/02/2023 - 13:04
              +1

              @HK Refugee: I simply don't know. I wish I could make those kind of decision.

              • HK Refugee on 01/02/2023 - 19:05
                +1

                @Jamesx: @Jamesx Looks like you've chosen to selectively say "I don't know" when it's convenient to your point of view.

                You have followed your 50cents guidebook to the letter by:
                1) deflect blame by bringing up Western issues whenever issues with china are brought up
                2) deflect blame by making long winded claims that is filled with personal comments and observations, ie. 'you must be ABC', instead of logical points
                3) pretend ignorance whenever convenient, you answered one question with 'I dont know' and just ignored the second question about their internet firewall
                4) attempt to counter any logical arguments with buzz words, partial (often incorrect) facts, and more accusations of the western media, whenever other commenters do not agree with you, even when they are just simply repeating their actual experiences while in the country

          • [Deactivated] on 01/02/2023 - 00:30
            -1

            @Jamesx: Weird how the first 25 years of literally any western internet forum never had such volumes of strident pro china shilling on it. How times change.

        • Mxx on 31/01/2023 - 14:10
          +1

          A couple of years ago I could use WeChat/Alipay without a Chinese bank account, they won't let you use an Aus card for payment but you can link it to the account, so I linked my CBA card to activate payments (on both alipay and wechat) and got my friend to transfer me some Chinese yuan into the wechat/alipay account (pretty easy to find a Chinese person with CNY$, just gave them eqv in AUD).

          That money then went to my account balance and I could use that to pay at places that accept wechat/alipay (which is almost everywhere). I'm just not 100% sure if you can still do this. It did ask me to verify my identity 2-3 times over ~2 months but I just pressed OK and it would go away. Just have the account balance as the default payment method.

        • T18 on 31/01/2023 - 15:20
          +1

          You should definitely have a look at Australian visa costs buddy

        • neonlight on 31/01/2023 - 19:22
          -3

          I have no interest to travel China. Covid, pollution, unfriendly citizens, difficulties in using credit card and funds as a foreigner, high Visa costs

          It was better til 2010

          • Jared17 on 03/02/2023 - 05:28
            +1

            @neonlight: Great, China and Asia dun need people like you lol

      • KozieSeller on 30/01/2023 - 22:36
        -1

        Don’t think 87% has, just random useless comment.

        • CptnObvious on 30/01/2023 - 22:48

          he's appealing to the chyna hate. That's my job as a troll! He toook my joooob!

      • 87percent on 30/01/2023 - 22:43
        +16

        I went to China about 10 years ago. I flew a domestic flight somewhere. A guy got on the plane with 2 buckets as his hand carry luggage

        Now every time I fly somewhere with the wife, one of us always say “don’t forget the buckets”

        • belongsinforums on 30/01/2023 - 23:55

          that's such an untypical yet likely sounding scenario xd

      • Michaelclarke86 on 31/01/2023 - 08:01
        +8

        I went to China in 2019 and it was probably one of the best trips I've ever had. Yes it was a pain in the arse not being able to use my cards, but it was easy to get cash. I also had no problems booking train tickets and used an online aggregator.Public transport in the major cities is amazing. Google Maps does suck, but you can manage if you find an alternative. I wouldn't let these things hold you back from some of the most incredible sight seeing and food. I've travelled a lot and I would go back in a heartbeat.

        • sal78 on 31/01/2023 - 09:57
          +1

          Same! We did Zhejiang area Shanghai, Hangzou and Suzhou.

          Want to return to explore Yunnan province, Yangshuo and Atlantis, Sanya

          • Michaelclarke86 on 01/02/2023 - 08:26

            @sal78: I went to Yangshuo and it was easily my favourite. Such an incredible landscape.

    • siiking on 30/01/2023 - 21:50
      +1

      Thank you for sharing your travel plans.

    • RedLights on 30/01/2023 - 21:59

      ah ok, thanks.

    • AustriaBargain on 30/01/2023 - 23:42
      +1

      You wanting someone to ask you why, to check if it's not covid related?

    • mountaineer on 31/01/2023 - 11:04

      thank God, more ticket for us.

  • Spacexyz on 30/01/2023 - 21:43
    +1

    Oh god, maybe I'm too old, where is the booking link?

    • Rocinante on 30/01/2023 - 22:27

      click the flight you interested. link will be on the new page.

    • Mr Bargain Hunter on 31/01/2023 - 09:01
      -5

      Avoid going if you’re old, big cities in China are polluted like crazy, can’t see past 10m. 1 month there will take 3 years off your lifespan due to lung damage

  • ozbking on 30/01/2023 - 22:01
    +8

    These “full service” airlines are just as bad as the American 4 (United, American, etc)
    Nowhere near the quality as the middle eastern or Singapore airlines.
    Hainan airline is the only one worth looking at

    • ATangk on 30/01/2023 - 22:38
      +4

      The full service element which is actually important is luggage.

    • plmko on 30/01/2023 - 22:56
      +2

      Keep complaining and they'll ask you to fly Jetstar.

    • Uncle Roger on 30/01/2023 - 23:25
      +1

      Lols what is with all the United Airlines hate?

      Flew them last week with wife and 2 kids, MEL-SFO-LHR - flawless experience. Honestly found them as good as anything else I've flown (Etihad, Emirates, Qatar etc).

      Was all very efficient, flights left early/on time, arrived on time.

      They offer luggage tracking (had Airtags as well just in case). Everything arrived perfectly.

      Best of all, FREE wifi for messaging apps for the entire flight (WhatsApp, Messenger etc)! Never had this on any other airline.

      Seriously no complaints.

      • datafellows on 31/01/2023 - 07:11
        +6

        4 out of 5 doctors recommend United Airlines.

    • spaij on 31/01/2023 - 08:27

      Xiamen airlines, when I flew a few years ago, was also a good experience.

  • ilikedeals on 30/01/2023 - 22:02

    Good airline, lots of food served (similar to Emirates - not stingy Qantas)!

    • belongsinforums on 30/01/2023 - 23:56
      +1

      my colleagues have had covid 3 times already. pretty sure we have more variants here. didnt neg you

  • t0087669 on 30/01/2023 - 22:07
    +4

    Hong Kong? Taiwan?

    • ozbking on 30/01/2023 - 22:10
      +22

      The CCP still hasn’t realised the CCP has never ruled over taiwan before…

      • CptnObvious on 30/01/2023 - 22:19
        -5

        what?

        • ozbking on 31/01/2023 - 01:14
          +9

          Good point, just like east and west Germany, we need to wait until the communist party stops being a surveillance state, before merging as a multiparty country.

          • Creamsoda on 31/01/2023 - 08:59
            +4

            @ozbking: why does every country needs to become like us? Different culture will work their way to their own governing systems. All those BS about regime change has nothing to do with caring for the local inhabitant or making their lives better. It's all about control and geopolitical influence. Just like Jihadis think all countries should become a Muslim state. how are you so different to their views pushing your regime change agenda?

            • Kvs on 31/01/2023 - 09:49
              +2

              @Creamsoda: Nice try. Yes not every country has to be like 'us', but it's Taiwanese's right to say no to CCP. Plus, have Chinese ever be able to say they want CCP or not? Do they able to say that? Wait for every ppl in China have free of speech, then we talk communist or not. However I doubt CCP will allow that happen. lol

              • Creamsoda on 31/01/2023 - 11:01
                +3

                @Kvs: Again, you are doing exactly what i mentioned on my previous post. become like "us" freedom of speech, democracy! No country has free speech, there are always premises for free speech. You can demonstrate in China, you can do a lot of things in China to express your selves but the premises of that is a lot narrow compared to what we have here. That does not give you the right to impose your set of values on them. Just like they are not actively imposing their set of values on us.

                Let me ask you this, Do you and the posters here who calls for freedom and democracy seriously care about the Chinese people or any local inhabitants that you want regime change to happen? you want them to live better lives than us and make China great again by changing their political system so they become more like us? or do you simply HATE different political systems and wants to convert all to your own beliefs?

                • Kvs on 31/01/2023 - 11:28
                  +1

                  @Creamsoda: Express their selves of course they can, but only under the situation never crise gov policy or ccp. Don't talk about LGBTQ level of free speech like in west country. You can say that's the downside of free speech but that's because you have free speech.

                  Free speech, to me, is the right say NO to powerful gov as an individual. HK is an good example after say NO to CCP, but you can consider it a good thing since it's free of speech in the west country. However I suggest if you think it's good then go for it, live there and enjoy the life there. I can tell you that your post like this discussion about free speech also will be deleted online in China. Enjoy it plz.

                  West country political system not perfect of course but it IS much better than China's. What's wrong with ppl want better life. I have no power to change their political system, they have to do it by their own, I just want to tell you that their system are not good, not as you said, it's their ppl's choice with free mind. If you HATE west country political system already, go for it in China and enjoy.

                  • Creamsoda on 31/01/2023 - 11:50
                    +2

                    @Kvs: Point out where have i said the Chinese system is better than ours? or i'm hating the western political system? you seem to be grasping at straws by making things up so you can have your anti China rant. Let me make it simple for you by repeating my self; Different culture will work their way to their own governing systems. its call non interventionist.

                    You sound exactly like a Jihadis. I believe my religion is better so you should become like us or you're a non believer. start labelling people who has different views with "CCP lover" "50c army" replace that with "Infidel" then look in the mirror. We are superior you are inferior! Just like the US government that care about the Chinese population so much and love them so dearly they go out of their way to wanting to help them to become great again by removing their government. Yep! you guys definitely have the best interest of the Chinese population in mind. Truly an angelic lot.

                    • Kvs on 31/01/2023 - 12:07
                      +2

                      @Creamsoda: lol you are making thing up, I didn't say you are "CCP lover" "50c army". Culture, religion? Oh so you know CCP does not being voted by Chinese ppl, they are just a culture or religion but not a LEGAL gov. Well I agree with you about it lol. Anti China? lol I am only anti CCP. Let me make this clear, CCP DOES NOT EQUAL China and DOES NOT EQUAL Chinese ppl. Consider you crises your own gov's policy and then they mark you as anti your own country and make you disappear.

                      But yes, what you says are same with CCP agenda: anti CCP is anti China and Chinese ppl. I thought west country ppl (also a word CCP like to use) will never buy that but……. you makes me surprised lol

                • [Deactivated] on 01/02/2023 - 00:34

                  @Creamsoda: If you think China isnt imposing values globally, you really arent paying attention.

            • Frozensage on 31/01/2023 - 11:28

              @Creamsoda: we just like the west dominating everyone else, and when I say west it's just the good old of USA, though we just call ourself America because we are the entire continent. If you have different religion, lifestyle, culture, political system, it's still fine, long as you still call us God and play by our rules, make us rich, be a good submissive "partner". Just have a look at Australia for good example of a loyal friend. Gets backstabbed, get thrown under the bus, but still call USA their bff. Everyone should be more like Australia and less like that new kid in town, AKA China, with all the new toys stealing all my "friends", whom I never really cared about till now cause they decided to be friends with someone else. How dare they making decision in their own best interest!

          • jowu15 on 31/01/2023 - 11:29
            +3

            @ozbking: I used hope China will become multiparty country one day in the distanced future when it is more developed, but seen how different parties fight just to be different and tore the country apart, I am not longer hold the same hope. Maybe we still need to work on governing systems.
            I do not share you statement about China. Chinese system is works for now, and people has more freedom and standard of living has improved a great deal that is what the most important thing in most people's live. Thats why most Chinese are happy with its government.

            • Kvs on 31/01/2023 - 12:12
              +1

              @jowu15: Nah. How you know most Chinese are happy with its gov? Does their any independent survey or sth?

              • nightmarez3k on 31/01/2023 - 13:49
                +4

                @Kvs: How do you know they are not happy? Because CNNNN, BBC (British Bull Company), Sky News told you the western narrative? 1B people out of poverty in since the 90s. Whilst the US is sending more people homeless, in jail or unemployment line every year.

                The US average lifespan is doing down yet China's is going up. That shows you what so called Western propaganda keep selling the masses. China bad we good. There is only one set of values which we cannot describe and flip flop when it suits. Like American exceptionalism and made up rules as we go order.

                • Kvs on 31/01/2023 - 14:05

                  @nightmarez3k: 'How do you know they are not happy?'

                  As I said, there's no independent survey so we don't know, and the problem is that why we don't know AND who block that. Use your brain please.

                  '1B people out of poverty in since the 90s. Whilst the US is sending more people homeless, in jail or unemployment line every year.'

                  That's why US changed now, not like that anymore. We know its BAD otherwise why change.

                  'The US average lifespan is doing down yet China's is going up. That shows you what so called Western propaganda keep selling the masses. China bad we good. '

                  Hhahaha, I finally can tell you that I am a Chinese who have CCP brain washed education for 20+ yrs, we can not even watch so called Western propaganda media, not even to say China bad we good thing. Case closed

              • jowu15 on 31/01/2023 - 18:13
                +1

                @Kvs: THere are independent study on Chinese people satisfaction on its government
                Thus July 2020 polling data from the Ash Center at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government revealed 95% satisfaction with the Beijing government among Chinese citizens.
                https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

                • Eeples on 07/02/2023 - 14:39
                  +1

                  @jowu15: One could argue that the Beijing government is hoodwinking the Chinese ppl in China by presenting a particular narrative.

                  It is hard to be dis-satisfied when you do not know what to be dis-satisfied about.

                • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 08/02/2023 - 09:54

                  @jowu15: I'm sure you'd get an even more positive response from North Koreans. Subjects of dictatorships aren't generally free to complain…pretty obvious.

        • tessel on 31/01/2023 - 17:46
          +2

          Correct, Taiwan is part of the republic of China. However, it is most definitely not part of the people's republic of China.

      • WilliamDGH on 31/01/2023 - 00:10
        +9

        Firstly it’s CPC, what’s CCP? lol…
        Then KMT had never ruled Taiwan before WW 2 ended and the Japanese were defeated. But Taiwan was still handed over to KMT because Taiwan is part of China. That’s a fact, period. If you think ROC should represent China instead PRC then fine, we can talk about that, but saying Taiwan is not part of China is just plain stupid…

        • ozbking on 31/01/2023 - 00:56

          Both CCP and CPC are used, CPC more formally.
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

          The issue isn’t about whether Taiwan is part of China or not, country labels aren’t as important as how they are governed.
          Look at Australia, we are strictly speaking, a federation of states. We probably have more independence as Victoria, than Liechtenstein does in EU.

          However, when the CCP (or CPC) start discussing reeducation of the Taiwanese after their invasion, it doesn’t exactly paint a nice picture of the governance of the CCP does it?

          Would Taiwan actually care if it was part of China, if it didn’t lose their freedom? Probably no more than Sweden caring about being part of the EU.

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