Hi all,
Need a new car as old one written off. Looking for something that will last long and fuss free eg. Japanese/Korean.
Looking at going down the following options:
2015 Aurion (80,000km) - $20k
2014 i30 (130,000km) - $15k
Brand new I30/cerato - $28k driveaway.
Which matters most when considering potential issues - age or km?
Also any other models people recommend?
Thanks
Does a 2014/15 Hyundai hold up though?
Not as good as a toyota
That's 80% opinion and 20% speculation
@Brian McGee: Got a nice shiny Xiaomi crystal ball,have we?
May I help? >
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/13921201/redir
I have both a 04 Hyundai Elantra 274k km and an 01 Camry 225k km. While the Hyundai motor and transmission are still fine, and it doesn't leak a drop of oil, the paint and interior is showing a lot more wear, and the steering feels less tight. Having said that, you shouldn't have major issues, and when a care hits 16 years old and it's been a daily driver and parked outside all its life, you expect these things.
The camry on the other hand would almost pass for a new car if you went back in time (aside from the roof liner sagging, but that's a cheap fix, oh and the door card liner, I had to glue that back on) . Apart from some scratches that I put on and a bit of paint fade, the only thing it ever lost was a bit of trim along one side of the windscreen
I've got a 2015 Hyundai i30. I've had no major problems with mine, just gets a service once a year (doing less than 10,000km a year at the moment). Last service was just last week and cost me $235. Week before that was tyres which cost me $500.
I have a 2016 i30 and it’s had no issues only servicing. At around 190k . So it’s been very reliable although a little sluggish
Which matters most when considering potential issues - age or km?
Neither standalone. There's tons of variables and other factors to consider.
A 130,000 KM car can be better maintained and overall condition than a 40,000 KM car that isn't cared for, never had a service/oil change, or used in a quarry, or near a beach or whatever. That's not enough information.
Exactly. Ive bought a 200K klm car that was always serviced in regional (ie country k's) and was in immaculate condition. 5 years later still running strong.
That said, I would get the new cerato the warranty is 7 years
Considering how many odo rollbacks are getting reported…
Makes it worth getting a regularly serviced car just for the true record of mileage.
Are you talking about the service nsw data? If so, the quality of data appears to be poor.
I only heard of this yesterday, how so?
Not sure, but probably careless data entry during roadworthy inspections. I’ve seen a bunch of questionable screenshots.
If you're in NSW, they have the odometer readings now available for the last 3 years so you can confirm the km's haven't been wound back.
Personally have found Mazda 3s (and Toyota Corollas) to be most reliable in my last 15 years of driving various vehicles, BMW, VW, Audi, Toyota, Honda and Nissan.
Someone showed me this and it's crazy.
So many of these cars are just going to be exported to the other states.
Aurion is much better in all spec, bigger, better and more power. Also build quality is great
My sister has an Aurion, fantastic car, and it costed less than the Hyundai Accent I bought during the pandemic.
Yea, my friend had it and we used to call it a tank. Too much power but very thirsty
I still can't believe I paid 5K more and her car is still heads and shoulders above mine, it definitely costs her in petrol though.
Aurions are fantastic value. Spacious, lots of features for 2007 car, smooth powerful engine, great build quality, reasonable price.
The only car in my life I regret selling.
Mahindra
Grwat wall
I am Grwat (wall)
Do you need a sedan or hatch?
I'd be willing to pay an extra $5k for 50k less km and size.
Happy with either. Wife might prefer the smaller car though for ease of parking.
Teach her to reverse park then size will never be an issue.
It’s not just the skill, a larger car does actually require a larger space at times.
Brand new gets you 7 years warranty.
Only for Kia; Hyundai is industry-standard 5
Kim or Kendall?
Silly question…
of course it is. Kim has a bigger boot
Comparing a V6 family sedan, to a 4cyl hatch…
Srsly?
Forget age vs kms, how about working out what suits the needs first? Do you need the size, and sacrifice fuel economy, or do you want a smaller buzz-box?
The issue with trying to ask this question is that judging by history on this website, people just buy whatever they feel like and not what they need. There's idiots on here that post "having my first baby, need to upgrade to SUV" and they already have a Mazda 3 or something big enough, but they suddenly need to upgrade because of the safety of newborn or some other BS. Basically people just decide they want something and it becomes a need.
Although yeah odd that this bloke is looking at two totally different segments
A city car, poorly maintained and tarted up (dressed mutton as fresh lamb) is way worse than an unabused long km car.
Projected maintenance for each will be vastly different based on how it has been used, and maintained. Most cars do not have basic things done, or any long-term perishables.
Now for the third angle:
Worse than all of the above are the myriad of design faults in modern automobiles, and a contagion caught by every brand that none are yet to shake. So above all, know how what you're buying may, or is likely to fail, and what the repairs would look like, before purchasing!
Provable service history is king.
Brand new I30/cerato - $28k driveaway.
If you can get immediately, this is the best option. You get warranty, peace of mind etc.
Not to mention new car tech like Apple CarPlay/Android Auto
New car smell
Causes cancer it turns out
@WhyAmICommenting: Could also be milk. Every person who has ever had cancer, drank milk (at some point)
@Protractor: While I hear you, it's definitely the oxygen. We don't really need it, it's just a coverup. The milk certainly didn't help, though. Just look at the crab people who live underground - no oxygen, no milk, no cancer. But wait… no new car smell either… hmm.
@mett139: Just look at the [tin foil hatted] crab people who live underground - no oxygen, no milk, no cancer [no covid vax] . But wait… no new car smell either… hmm.
Just look at the crab people who live underground - no oxygen, no milk, no cancer.
This seems implausible. Crab people are literally cancer - astrologically speaking.
For the value of the warranty plus it’s 9 years newer that to me is also the better option. It also has newer features.
Another way to look at it, it’s only around $1.5 value a year in depreciation based on the buy price of the 9 year old same type of car and value of 10k of kilometers each year of use.
If it was available now, I can't believe 9yo models with 130Kk would sell for $15k!
That is insanely low depreciation. But who knows, if in another 9 years, ICE cars are worthless, better to get a used car now.
I30 or Corolla brand new and be done with it. Latter will last 20 years. I30 will probably also last 10+ years.
Corolla brand new
Long wait time
And $32k for base model
DAMN! used to be $28k.
@Naigrabzo: Yep. I paid $44K for mine; still annoyed. My old one was only $26K in comparison or $30K in today's money and both have sunroofs
How it was maintained/driven is more important than either of those things.
I've seen people with 100k on their car that they treated like garbage, never serviced and in really bad condition. Conversely I've seen 400,000km cars that have been serviced every interval, had everything taken care of and still running as good as day 0.
So the answer is "it depends" and there is no "one" answer.
2023 MG ZS Excite: $23,990 drive-away
7 years warranty
Automatic Transmission
17” Alloys
8" colour touchscreen with Apple CarPlay
Rear View Camera
To be fair, that's a MG 3 they hit ha
I know, but the airbag deployment should be a concern to anyone looking at the brand
@spackbace: They covered themselves pretty well.
Conditions in Which Airbags Will Not Deploy
The deployment of airbags does not depend on the vehicle speed, but on the object that the vehicle hits, angle of impact and the rate at which the car changes speed as a result of a collision. When the impact force of collision is absorbed or dispersed to vehicle body, airbags may not deploy; however, airbags may sometimes deploy according to impact condition. Therefore, the deployment of airbags shall not be judged based on the severity of vehicle damage.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1585127/Mg-Mg3.html?page=1…
PS: I'm not suggesting it didn't fail or it was never meant to be deployed, nor am i qualified to comment as a crash investigator / automobile safety inspector.
And maybe I should avoid Toyota too as a brand of concern, given their track record.
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/toyota-warns-111000-coroll…
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/toyota-recalls-3-4…
@dcep: FYI the difference is that a recall gets issued to make sure events like that video don't happen. You want cars to be recalled to fix faults, rather than have an accident where the airbags don't deploy…
If you notice, the DC's car had the airbags deploy
@spackbace: Having being in a similar situation last year where my airbags did deploy (but my window didn't smash as I was T-Boned by a people mover), I'd definitely want my airbags deployed if I was the passenger in that MG 3 😬
@SpackbaceOuch! Funny you put that out there.When I purchased my Honda a year ago, salesman(senior guy) said they get quite a few f those as trade ins, not a particular good vehicle.
Built like a Leyland-run MG.
OP has username which would probably go with this one. CHEAPEST!
Two weeks ago I rented a car in Sydney.
I selected corolla or similar. They gave me a mg.
What a bag of rubbish those cars are. I'm no way comparable to a corolla.
Bought a cerato in 2020 for $29.5k, really loved driving it, but covid hit and wfh became a thing, didn't need it, sold in 2022 for $27.5k….winning…
How many kms?
It was like 20,000km -ish after like 2.5years of driving
29.5k? what model, i got 2021 new for a few k less
Sports plus sedan
TBH they both sound overpriced for what they are.
But can't go wrong with either.
Aurion is a thirsty beast though.
Worst time to need to buy a car :(
Not really
Second hand cars are plummeting
Theres a plethora of news articles
Difference between 80k and 130k is negligible in the scheme of things IF the car has been maintained properly. The i30 is pretty much average kms for age, a little over but nothing to worry about.
You’ve posted two quite different vehicles. Which one suits your lifestyle better? Go with that.
agree with all comments above that the cars are pretty different.
However, if properly maintained, the 2GR-FE engine in the Aurion is probably up there with being one of the most durable and reliable engines in passenger cars.
Naturally aspirated, port injection, timing chain - no worries.
It's an 8 year old car with low kms. It's possible previous owner decided to skip services because they were only driving 10k kms per year. on one of those it should be 1yr/15k kms which ever comes first
the 2AR-FE in the equivalent year Camry is pretty good, they resolved the oil burning issues of the engine in the preceding Camry.
+1 for 2GR
Aurions are pretty well bulletproof, the only thing with them is that oil changes should be done on time.They are prone to sludge build up in the oil galleries.Excellent car otherwise.
Learn to do it yourself if possible and do it every 7k. Your car will thank you for it.
Buy brand new…..peace of mind.
Aurion is 3.5L engine. i30 would be 1.6-2L depending on which model.
Two different cars. Aurion is more luxurious IMO and bulletproof.
Maybe you can negotiable more on Aurion. I find it staying on the market longer vs Camry.
If your considering a 2015 Aurion (80,000km) at 20 thousand i would say look at new car options.
Unfortunately second hand market is pricing cars at this range. This actually is one of the better ones.
Bought i30 in 2013 with 40k
Now done 150k
Only had to replace cam sensor & steering control cause airbag light was coming on-off
easy DIY total <$30
How did you know that was the issue?
Maybe using one of those diagnostic code readers you can pick up cheap on eBay?
Out of those 2 the Aurion is such a big no brainer this post should be closed.
Depends how much you want to risk paying for any faults in the near future vs having a new car warranty for 10years or so.
If you have a mechanic you trust or know enough about cars to not get ripped off and also maintain the car and check everything more regularly than the service intervals, then you can take the risk with a second hand car.
Otherwise if you're the type of person to be completely clueless about cars and unsure about who you can trust then a new car with warranty is probably the best path.
Toyota is definitely the better choice given its extremely reliable and it'll fetch better resell once you are done with it. But it does make sense to get the i30/Cerato if youll be doing a lot of city driving in start stop traffic. The v6 will be thirsty in the city but it's the better if you do a ton of miles on the highway.
All down to servicing.
I had a 2010 Mazda 3 for 4 year from new and sold it with 184,000km on it.
Always serviced and 95% highway driving out of peak hour.
A friend had a new 2011 Mazda 6 for 6 years with 40,000km on it.
The only service she had done was the free 1,000km.
She asked a mechanic friend if he could stamp the book before she sold it to make it appear to have the correct service history but he refused.
On paper her 40,000km probably looked fantastic but it would have been a terrible purchase.
If you are buying in NSW a great new feature of the free RMS check is you can see iff a car has had the odometer would back (cars over 5 years old) Never trust what a claimed milage is.
I trust her personal hygiene was a tad better than her automotive respect.
KMs all the way. Age usually only matters if it has newer features.
Less true all the time IMO - too many perishable parts (rubbers, eco-friendly plastics) that will degrade in time despite light usage.
Pay the Camry tax