My 5 year old and 1 year old have had non stop colds for the last 2 months. Maybe we have a 2 days a break then bang another cold.
My 5 year old goes to a big school with over 1000 kids I don’t know if this is the problem? What can I do so they don’t pick up every cold/virus out there.
We have been to our GP wasn’t much help
What did they suggest/say? Did you get a second opinion from another GP or medical professional?
The GP said maybe because of all the lockdowns over the last 3 years my daughter hasn’t been exposed to any viruses
@Tomstars241: but lockdowns lifted ~~1.5 years ago.
Have your kids had zero exposure to the outside world in the last 18 months.
I rarely visit GPs* because of the crap that circulates inside their head and comes out their mouth, this being an example (unless you acutally did keep your kids in extra lockdown for the last 18 months).
When I was a teenager I went through similar for about a year, constantly getting colds, saw several GPs, had tests, all said some bullsh!t until I saw one that said, puberty + immune system developing don't worry it will go away, it went away. Your kids are much younger so YMMV.
*a few are acutally good at their job, just rare and normally booked out for weeks in advance
@Sinnerator: BUT BUT GP's do not deserve $300k peanut income ,they need at least $1 million according to the GP's on this thread because of how wonderful they are.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/786889
@Tomstars241: There's not much you can do (short of getting them to never have human contact again) except ride it out.
From all the comments below from people who have actually had kids, this is a rite of passage for all parents.
No need to overthink it. It's not your fault nor their fault. Wintertime is always worst.
It will get better once their immune systems have had a chance to build up.
@aisling: There are hundred of respiratory pathogens, mostly virri, and only a few have reliable and long lasting, safe vaccinations (mumps, measles, German measles, whooping cough). If you took the children out of school and home schooled them, they would get far fewer infections, but this isn't viable for most familes. An alternative would be to properly fit children with a N95 mask, but they would have to wear it whenever they are around people. Most children would feel deeply shamed to be the only child in class with a mask, and would rip it off as soon as they are out of your sight.
As a child I too had frequent respiratory infections and my symptoms were much worse than the average child. A trainee doctor ever remarked, "That is the most inflamed throat I have seen". I ended up developing a phobia of microbes, especially of the respiratory variety. Believe me, OCD contamination fears are crippling. There is even a condition called 'PANDAS': Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with Streptococcal Infections. Occasionally after a Strep A infection a child will abruptly develop OCD symtomatology.
@Tomstars241: It's normal IMO the colds are out with vengeance.
Pump the normal vitamin c / oranges / yoghurts.
More common in younger kids as they haven't developed proper immunity to all the strains of rhinovirus.
@CalmLemons: I was going to say so they have a healthy diet. Also at the risk of sounding like my mum are they dressed warm enough, a lot of the school uniforms are shite.
Kids put their hands in mouth and don't have a good grasp on hygiene yet.
@Tomstars241: I'm an epidemiologist, so listen to me when I say most GP's, and the media discussing COVID issues have no idea how the immune system works at the level we do. Firstly, if you are just being told something, without reading the working out; i.e.—reading the science behind what you're asking – you simply can't be sure you're being told the truth.
It's shocking to read, but please give this a read, it summarises the study for the average person—but also links to the study itself if you'd like to see the working out related to what it does with your child's CD4 and T cell immune system: https://studyfinds.org/children-with-covid-blood-vessel-dama…
Another study worth reading that is also related: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S180886942…
Both of these studies will help you understand what's going on, and it isn't lockdowns. I'm happy to give you as much of my time as you like if you have any further questions—and that goes for anyone else here who might be concerned about their children lately.
@isolatePlay: not commenting on your personal qualifications, but epidemiologists and public health physicians, or GPs for that matter do not need in depth knowledge of physiology of the complexities of the immune response on a cellular level to do their job well and provide advice on public health measures, and to suggest otherwise is a dangerous game
@May4th: They do if they are going to make statements regarding the immune system, without having done the statistical analysis while giving advice on “what might be happening”—this is different to actually doing the leg work and understanding the immune response of CD8+ T lymphocyte cells.
Suggesting they can, is dangerous, and why the field of epidemiology exists.
@isolatePlay: I'm not sure which epidemiologists you are referring to, perhaps the tiktok ones putting their name out there for clicks and fame. but as per definition, epidemiology is the study of the distribution and determinants of health-related states or events in specified populations, and the application of this study to the control of health problems. Pathophysiology on an individual level is a part of but not the focus
@May4th: Epidemiologists are better equipped to discuss the population-level impact, transmission dynamics, and control strategies, as we focus on understanding diseases from a broader public health perspective. It takes a Masters degree, and a thorough understanding the effects throughout the human body that GP's do not have.
GPs, on the other hand, simply have clinical experience, and can provide insights into individual patient presentation on a broad range of issues that are not specifically targeting the very thing we are discussing.
@isolatePlay: epidemiology has less to do with the immunopathology or pathology on an individual level, and more to do with population health. whilst I have great respect for epidemiologists, it is not a medical qualification, and medical training has far more relevance to cellular biology and physiology. I'm not why you feel you have special authority this regard. unless you are an immunologist by trade, anyone with the relevant training and background and special interest can educate themselves further and provide advice based on sound literature backing, if it is within the scope of their practice. to disparage other specialties based on a misplaced sense of authority is distasteful at best
@May4th: Epidemiologists study infectious diseases, including the host immune response to these pathogens. Therefore, we have a fundamental understanding of immunopathology to assess the impact of diseases on population health and develop appropriate control measures.
Here's how cellular biology relates to epidemiologists:
Disease Pathogenesis: Epidemiologists study how diseases develop and spread within populations. To understand disease pathogenesis, they need to have a basic understanding of cellular processes such as viral or bacterial replication, cellular signaling, immune responses, and host-pathogen interactions.
Transmission Dynamics: Epidemiologists investigate how diseases spread from person to person. This includes understanding the cellular mechanisms behind transmission routes, such as respiratory droplets, fecal-oral transmission, or vector-borne transmission. Knowledge of cellular biology helps epidemiologists comprehend how pathogens interact with host cells and tissues, leading to disease transmission.
Vaccine Development: Epidemiologists play a crucial role in evaluating the effectiveness of vaccines and developing vaccination strategies. They need to understand the cellular mechanisms behind immune responses to vaccines, including how vaccines stimulate the production of antibodies and activate cellular immunity.
Data Analysis: Epidemiologists often analyze data related to disease incidence, prevalence, and outcomes. This may involve studying the cellular markers or molecular indicators of diseases, such as cytokine profiles, genetic variations, or cellular receptors. Understanding cellular biology helps them interpret and analyze these data effectively.
@isolatePlay: Yes and those subjects are studied, and can be studied by every undergrad medical science students, having background knowledge does not making you an expert, and the lack of medical training means a lack of clinical application to the underlying science, and certainly does not give you any extra authority when providing advice to individual patients. hence my point above
@May4th: The knowledge of cellular biology and related areas that epidemiologists possess is considered more than just basic undergraduate-level understanding, it is more comprehensive and thorough than what is covered in an undergraduate curriculum.
We often have advanced degrees on top of our Master's or Ph.D. in Epidemiology. During graduate studies, we receive in-depth training in various scientific disciplines, including biology, biochemistry, statistics, and epidemiological methods creating a strong foundation in the biological sciences, which includes cellular biology, immunology, genetics, and other relevant areas.
@isolatePlay: i don't doubt your qualification, but the training you describe provides foundation for what the field of epidemiology actually is, the application of the most up to date science to population health and disease control, not individually, and not without clinical focus.
the same way all doctors need the same foundation to be able to practice clinical medicine. the training you describe, at the very least is equivalent to what a doctor, especially in the area of infectious diseases, haematology, rheumatology and any internal medicine specialty would require, and on a more rigorous level as they treat a person on an individual basis and needs a much more detailed and nunaced understanding of pathophysiology compared to a public health physician (doctors) and epidemiologists (academics).
I don't have an issue with you providing advice if you have further training or special interest, but to use your degree as the basis for a superiority of opinion to disparage other health professionals is ignorant at best and devalues your field at worst
@May4th: Again, epidemiologists undergo specific education and training, which includes comprehensive coursework in immunology, cellular biology, and related subjects. This focused training provides them with a deeper understanding of these areas, allowing them to study disease transmission, immune response dynamics, and the cellular mechanisms underlying diseases.
In contrast, GPs receive medical training that covers various disciplines, but their education may not delve as deeply into immunology and cellular biology.
We engage in research, data analysis, and study design to investigate disease patterns and risk factors. We have hands-on experience analysing large datasets, conducting studies, and evaluating the effectiveness of interventions. This research-oriented approach provides a more comprehensive understanding of immunology, and cellular biology.
GPs, although exposed to research during their training, often have limited time and resources to engage in extensive research or conduct in-depth analyses in these specific areas. While they have clinical expertise in diagnosing and managing individual patients, have a broader range of medical responsibilities, they are primarily focused on providing personalised patient care rather than studying diseases.
It's not about superiority, it's about knowledge, knowledge is king here.
@isolatePlay: GPs, like any clinician, is well trained in synthesizing data from the volume of existing literature, selecting the most up to date, relevant information, appraising its internal and external validity and applying it individually to their patient to provide a clinical outcome. to put it crudely, it doesn't take a neurosurgeon (or more appropriately in this case, an immunologist/ID specialist) to know how to do do a cochrane / embase /pubmed search, especially if that's all you do.
whilst you have more training and exposure in the former, you have no training and qualification in the latter.
so even though there are some uninformed GPs out there providing incorrect advice because they have not kept up to date with the constantly changing literature, to disparage them as a whole with throwaway comments like "GPs have no idea" and suggesting patients to disregard their advice is not helpful and unbecoming of someone in the scientific field who should know better.
GPs, like any clinician, is well trained in synthesizing data from the volume of existing literature, selecting the most up to date, relevant information, appraising its internal and external validity and applying it individually to their patient to provide a clinical outcome
What does "GP" stand for here? What you're describing sure as (profanity) isn't any General Practitioner i've ever seen.
This focused training provides them with a deeper understanding of these areas, allowing them to study disease transmission, immune response dynamics, and the cellular mechanisms underlying diseases.
Viruses hijack cells by inserting themselves, taking over the cellular machinery, & replicating themselves. According to modern science, viruses are a cause of illness.
If you accept the above description, would you be able to explain or point to published science that form the basis for coming to the above conclusion?
@mrdean: The understanding that viruses can hijack cells, take over cellular machinery, and replicate themselves is well-established in the field of virology, you are quite right.
In support of that, these are a good start:
Viral Entry and Hijacking of Cells: Viruses enter host cells and exploit cellular machinery for replication. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4999253/
Replication and Assembly: Viruses replicate their genetic material using host cell machinery
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4596596/
Immune Response Dynamics: The immune system responds to viral infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4999317/
@mrdean: If you want foundational breakdown:
These are some key areas that are foundational to virology:
Microbiology: Virology is closely related to the field of microbiology, which focuses on the study of microorganisms, including bacteria, fungi, and viruses. Microbiology provides the basic understanding of cellular structures, genetics, and microbial interactions that form the basis for virology.
Cell Biology: Viruses infect living cells and rely on cellular machinery for replication and survival. Therefore, an understanding of cell biology is crucial to virology. Research in cell biology has elucidated the mechanisms of viral entry into cells, viral replication, and the host cellular responses to viral infections.
Molecular Biology: Molecular biology provides the foundation for studying the genetic material and replication processes of viruses. Research in this field has helped to elucidate the structure and function of viral genomes, viral gene expression, and the molecular interactions between viruses and host cells.
Immunology: The field of immunology plays a significant role in understanding how the immune system responds to viral infections. Research in immunology has contributed to the discovery of antiviral immune responses, the development of vaccines, and the understanding of viral evasion mechanisms.
Epidemiology: Epidemiology focuses on the patterns, causes, and effects of diseases in populations. It is essential for understanding how viruses spread, the factors influencing viral outbreaks, and the development of strategies for disease control and prevention.
Bioinformatics: With the advancement of high-throughput sequencing technologies, bioinformatics has become crucial in virology research. Bioinformatics tools and approaches are used to analyze viral genomes, identify new viral strains, and understand the evolution and diversity of viruses.
Structural Biology: Determining the three-dimensional structure of viral proteins and their interactions with host molecules is vital for understanding viral replication, pathogenesis, and the design of antiviral drugs. Structural biology techniques, such as X-ray crystallography and cryo-electron microscopy, have revolutionised our understanding of viral structure and function.
These fields, along with interdisciplinary approaches, have laid the foundation for the science of virology.
@isolatePlay: How did science come to the conclusion that viruses are a cause of disease & that viruses infect & hijack cells in order to replicate? That is what I am interested in, the basis or basic research that led scientists to come to that conclusion.
Have you ever questioned, or looked critically at the assumptions of modern virology? "Thus we cannot reject the assumption that the effect of the filtered lymph is not due to toxicity, but rather to the ability of the agent to replicate." Loeffler 1898, quote at beginning of Principles of Virology 4th edition, Flint, Skalka et al 2015.
Most of the fields you've mentioned have developed much later than the real foundational work done initially on bacteria. What if the foundational assumptions regarding disease causing pathogens & the field of virology are deeply flawed, or just flat out wrong?
@mrdean: The discovery and understanding of viruses as agents of disease and their mechanism of infection and replication involved several key scientific breakthroughs and research efforts. Here's an overview of the major contributions that led scientists to these conclusions:
Discovery of Tobacco Mosaic Virus (TMV):
In 1892, botanist Dmitry Ivanovsky conducted experiments on tobacco plants affected by a disease called tobacco mosaic disease. He filtered sap from the infected plants through a porcelain filter, which was designed to remove bacteria. Surprisingly, even after filtration, the sap retained its ability to infect healthy plants. Ivanovsky hypothesised the presence of an invisible agent smaller than bacteria causing the disease, which was later identified as the tobacco mosaic virus.
Development of Electron Microscopy:
The invention of the electron microscope in the 1930s provided scientists with a tool capable of visualizing particles much smaller than what was possible with light microscopy. This technological advancement allowed for direct visualization of viruses for the first time.
Studies on Bacteriophages:
In the early 20th century, researchers such as Frederick Twort and Felix d'Herelle independently discovered bacteriophages, which are viruses that infect bacteria. Their work demonstrated that these viruses could replicate inside bacteria and cause disease. Bacteriophages became instrumental models for studying viral infection and replication.
Viral Culture Techniques:
In the 1930s and 1940s, researchers developed techniques to culture viruses in the laboratory, enabling their study outside of living organisms. These techniques involved growing viruses in host cells, such as animal or human tissue cultures. The ability to isolate and propagate viruses allowed scientists to study their properties, structure, and behaviour more extensively.
The Discovery of DNA as Genetic Material:
In the 1940s and 1950s, scientists, including Oswald Avery, Colin MacLeod, and Maclyn McCarty, demonstrated that DNA, rather than proteins, carried genetic information. This discovery paved the way for the understanding of how viruses hijack host cells to replicate. Viruses were found to contain genetic material (either DNA or RNA), which they use to take control of cellular machinery for their own reproduction.
The Hershey-Chase Experiment:
In 1952, Alfred Hershey and Martha Chase conducted a landmark experiment using bacteriophages. They demonstrated that only viral DNA, and not protein, entered the bacterial host during infection. This experiment provided strong evidence that DNA, rather than proteins, was the genetic material responsible for viral replication.
Advancements in Molecular Biology:
In subsequent decades, advancements in molecular biology techniques, such as DNA sequencing and recombinant DNA technology, allowed scientists to study viral genomes in greater detail. This led to the identification of viral genes responsible for various stages of infection and replication, as well as the understanding of how viruses interact with host cells on a molecular level.
These cumulative findings and discoveries from various fields of research gradually built the foundation for the understanding that viruses are infectious agents capable of causing diseases by invading and hijacking host cells for their own replication.
research, data analysis, and study design to investigate disease patterns and risk factors
Epidemiologists training spends a great deal of time in preparing you for conducting your own studies and field work.
not delve as deeply into immunology and cellular biology.
The training of a GP definitely covers everything. They receive training in university, and further training during thier ward rounds, and further training during their 3 years spent on the GP training program.
pharmacists training covers these topics in detail also.
These professions are legally allowed to interact with the public, and appove the supply of drugs to them. They don't have the skills to conduct their own population wide study, but to suggest they don't have the skills to do their job is frankly ignorant
@isolatePlay: WHAT?
NO. Those articles don't answer anything for the OP and the original studies acknowledge their limited trial scope and ascertainment bias. They're talking about TMA which doesn't help OP answer the original question.
The seconds article just talks about tonsils being sites of covid infection. They do not provide answers are just add to speculation.
The articles lack scope and sufficient research to be able to start assuming things.
Of course the media has no idea, the GP has probably forgotton about how exactly the immune system works (which is normally covered in a book around 500 pages), however proper medical professional see this day in and day out, and mother with young children with a lot of colds would not be something new to them.
@isolatePlay: Interesting but the article is empty, no sample size no figures for doing the maths yourself. Nothing is accurately defined just "damage" Just some alarmist crap using markers terminology to look credible.
@Tomstars241: Your doctor is an idiot. It's an absolute joke.
They are getting sick because they didn't get sick is made up by Muppets
GP are useless these days
To answer OP properly
"My 5 year old and 1 year old have had non stop colds for the last 2 months. Maybe we have a 2 days a break then bang another cold.
My 5 year old goes to a big school with over 1000 kids I don’t know if this is the problem? What can I do so they don’t pick up every cold/virus out there."
Colds for the last 2 months - just need to be more precise with the wording here. I would imagine,
Child 1
Child 1 - got cold, 3-7 days before symptoms show.
Day 5-10, runny nose, cough, fever
Days 10-14, just lindering cough here and there, most symptoms gone.
Good for a few days, immune system still slightly surprised but still carrying active T cells (?) that recognise previous infection.
Days 5-10 Child 2 / is when second child gets infected and cold now runs through to Days 15-20.
Days 20-30 seem all good or the second child still has a few lingering symptoms.
Day 31 (month 2) Child 1 catches a different strain of rhinovirus from school and it all repeats again.
This is how you get 'continuous' colds with 2 kids over 2 months.
As for a big school with 1000 kids, wouldn't matter if it was 200 or 2000 or 20, the residentent epidemiologist below can explain to how how the statistics work with that.
This is not medical advice and doesn't exclude any underlying medical issues/environmental/immune issues the children may have which would be unfortunate and extremely unlikely.
Chrome crashed twice while typing this so i not going to go through and fix the grammar.
Time to move to Edge. It’s now based on the same platform as Chrome but uses less memory.
And great comment :)
Theres always 1
"Theres always 1."
I wish.
Try infinite pool
Go to a doctor?
We have been to our GP with no advice
So rather than getting a second opinion you want to ask a bunch of degenerate frugal bargain hunters for medical advice?
I just thought maybe someone with children would know better than my GP
@Tomstars241: Don't know why you got negged so here's a +1. Sounds like your GP wasn't able to help you so worth considering parents of other kids. Their experience may be valid or useful to you.
Look if it was just 1 child then I'd say consider any health or immunity impacting conditions but since it's both kids, less likely imo. I'd still suggest a simple blood test; iron, vit d and others, just to make sure nothing there that's needlessly impacting but easily improved.
Also better hygiene, wherever possible too.
@cookie2: Since it's both kids, I'd have thought a health or immunity impacting condition would be MORE likely. Because they're still living under the same set of conditions and any predisposition to illness would affect both of them?
@jonathonsunshine: I'm no medical profesh but if it was both kids I'd be less concerned with their being an underlying condition. the reason being because I would assume less likely for both to be impacted by same disease UNLESS due to nutritional deficiencies from diet. Also if hereditary and strong enough to be impacting both kids early in life and in the same way, time and degree, then I'd assume one of the parents would possibly have similar issues.
That's why I'd suggest the general blood test just in case. Also hygiene I tend to think would be an issue for both as they're both kids, so a likely contributor. Like you said, 'living under the same set of rules' ie their home environment.
@Tomstars241: A child in my family had much worse than this last year at a much smaller school, sick about 8 times in a row with a gap no more than a few days or a week for about 4-5 months from an early arrival before the flu season, right through it, and on the tail end in spring. It does not make much difference the size of the school. It happens with kids. Talking with numerous parents, same thing. I guess it just happens some years - it's luck of the draw how bad the season is in your area.
@Tomstars241: As a professional dad, I'm here to say that unfortunately this is just a normal thing with children - especially those in schools. Kids will undoubtedly pass on germs to one another and bring them home. All you can do is try to drill into them the importance of not sharing food and to wash hands regularly, but there's only so much you can expect a 5 year old (in your case) to remember.
Just ensure they get lots of rest and drink lots of water.
@Tomstars241: Anyone with children or who has had children will tell you that one or both of your kids will catch every single virus & bacterial infection known to mankind for the first 5 or so years of their lives, and as an added bonus you'll catch a lot of them too. It really sucks, but is totally normal.
All you can do is teach them the habit (if they can at their age) of washing their hands regularly. And making sure they have a good, varied, healthy diet to ensure they are in good shape to at least fight off some of the different things.
Wish there was a magic bullet, but honestly any parent will tell you this. If its any consolation, your eldest at 5yo is almost through this phase. It will eventually pass. :-)
@Tomstars241: Vit D levels. Check other symptoms like hydration, exercise, iron. Sounds like they have a weak immune system.
They're in growth phase, so while annoying, having infections aren't as bad as you may think. If it was a 25yo adult, that's a more severe indication. Children seem to get sick and bounce back quicker than adults.
Think of it as immune system growth for the future.
Not much you can do, and it's all just part of the luck of the draw for early school education years.
Try to make sure they eating a decent diet, try to get them to be more active with handwashing, kiddy multivitamin supplements if you think thats worth 'something' (apart from over priced wee)
There's nothing a doctor can give you for things like the 'common cold'.
For sure, I remember pre Covid how kids never got sick, never had cold and flus, and parents all around the country use to talk about how their little kids never had runny noses. It was the best of times, it was the age of wisdom and foolishness and no school kid ever sneezed.
:/
Its the covid vaccinated spreading their new dirty spikey super bugs and once they are in the schools its over for everyone
How would a covid vaccine cause super bugs?
Even saying they were injecting microchips is more plausable.
And im not alone in thinking this
Thinking it, and showing causation aren't the same thing.
For sure, significant period of lock down, reducing child interactions and therefore the ongoing immunity from 'bleh' that kids pick up over time in their early education/school years is going to be a contributing factor.
But hey, nah, must be that completely unrelated vaccine (which had relatively low % uptake in early school year age groups) and absolutely none of the other factors… Yep, totally not just reinforcing any 'negative' vax beliefs with that train of thought.
(Conversely my kid of a similar age has been sick once this year, my older not once….sample sizes of one do not a scientific study make)
I dont care what you say
There there. I'm sure you'll find some friends here who will tell you what you want to hear.
@Ughhh: You should join some of the conspiracy forums for hours of entertainment and lol's… Although I'm genuinely concerned about the sanity of some, and its quiet easy to get banned once you prove them wrong.
There's some there that everything and anything that happened has been caused by being covid vaxxed.
One bloke I xbox with was telling me that the US president has been swapped for an android and that the worlds weather is now controlled by a super power. He and his group of fans support it 100%
the US president has been swapped for an android
ridiculous! ….an android would would be able to remain upright and be able to function at the most basic level of intelligence!
I dont care what you say
"I'm losing the argument and I lack brain capacity to come up with any counterpoint".
Just be honest dude.
My suggestion is you look at the logicians sketch from the Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Pathetic
The irony.
I tend to think we're more immunocompromised now with all antibiotics etc over years and years. I have no idea if that's right but I don't think the covid vaccine switched that big a switch for mass children. My understanding is that the flu virus is quite bad this year too. Also consider your 6 year old, like most of us, had a significant reduction in human contact, germies, etc over what may be a significant period of time during lockdowns and social distancing times. That in itself is possibly a contributor. Your 6 year old potentially had a 2 year period where they had less contact with germs.
my kid didn't have the covid jab and he's having constant flu symptoms (mainly running nose) this winter.
Its the covid vaccinated spreading their new dirty spikey super bugs
How does that work?
Get your business in order, just in case
i'm not sure about "new dirty spikey super bugs", but jab has increased the number of immunocompromised individuals in the environment (doubters look to the significant increase in 'All cause mortality' post jab, ABS stats).
Now all people, jabbed or not, have a higher chance of encountering a pathogen 'out there' and getting sick.
BS
Link to stat that shows an increase in immunocompromised peeps?
How does all cause mortality relate to an increase in immunocompromised peeps?
but jab has increased the number of immunocompromised individuals in the environment
You mean because the immunocompromised are still alive? Do you understand what a vaccine… is?
Proof?
vaccinated downvotes are worth nothing
More than your opinions.
as usual it is the truth that provokes the neggers on this site.
Yep this has happened to us too. Thanks to all the lockdowns for ruining our health and our economy. Good one everybody. Try having a full time job when you and your kids are sick for 3 months straight.
I've had a hundred covid boosters and 1 flu shot. Not a cold in sight.
I think karma is stalking the weak ones.
I hear carrying a left handed mushroom in a top LH pocket can negate bad spirits.
Dayum, this guy's breeding..
My god I can’t believe the level of stupidity here. Lockdowns are not causing this.
You’re wrong.
you must be triple pfizer vaxxed, lol
You don't think that the changed environmental conditions had an impact on general virus spreading or the populations immunity?
FFS. Being healthy and not being sick ruined your health? Absolute tosh
There is not much data on colds, but we know flu varies dramatically from one year to the next.
2019 was a very bad year, followed by record lows because of the border closures. I know I went two winters with barely a sniffle. And we had very few days of lockdown here in WA. Not even masks until 2022. It was all about the border closures.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/australia-records-…
Flu is back with a vengeance, so other respiratory viruses too, probably.
Under-5s and elderly are especially vulnerable. Get them vaccinated.
Maybe Rob Zombie….
How about the health department run lifetime studies on overall health of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated individuals first?
Because the data that is out there doesn't make a clear case for vaccinations being beneficial to the individual.
And to be clear, I am talking overall health markers, like rates of autism, rates of learning difficulties, rates of asthma, average lifespan, and so on, not simply incidence of whatever the vaccination was supposed to prevent.
You're talking about a retrospective cohort study, which any first year epidemiology student could point holes right through. Your proposal is also ridiculously broad, which makes it impossible to define inclusion criteria. Rates of learning? Define that. Average lifespan? Impossible. That sort of study is also very easily confounded and results are prone to overinterpretation.
You may find that unvaccinated status is correlated to lower levels of education or socioeconomic status, which is already associated with lower life expectancy. Unvaccinated people may also be generally distrustful of mainstream medicine, so have generally poorer health outcomes, even ignoring the jab. You can attempt to stratify your data to try to account for these factors, but in a study as non-specific as you suggest, it's impossible. We use what we have now, backed up by the most relevant data from comparable interventions from history and there is NO credible evidence that vaccines cause autism.
Complete nonsense. In fact the authorities have flat our refused to do a study comparing the health of vaxxed V unvaxxed as that would settle the debate once and for all.
Anecdotal (and recorded evidence) from practising doctors show that out of many thousand of patients, the unvaxxed ones are the healthiest, those following the government vaccination guidelines are the sickest and those who are partially vaccinated fall right in between. They even threatened to reregister (or maybe they did register) a U.S. doctor for publishing a book based on his many years of observations. This matches up with what doctors I know personally have told me.
As for autism, the evidence is quite strong, of course it's way too easy to dismiss it by adding modifiers like 'not credible' based on your opinion or beliefs of course. If you have a better explanation for the rise of autism that coincides with the increased rollout of vaccination I'd like to hear it?
Only last week I came across a comment from a 30 year neurosurgeon that was posted in an unrelated YT clip that added even more insight as to what is going on in that regard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBkEJpvuG8
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"Neurosurgeon 30yrs experience studying the effects of vaccines on the brain What Happens to the Brain With Vaccination?It seems the brain is always neglected when pharmacologists consider side effects of various drugs. The same is true for vaccinations. For a long time no one considered the effect of repeated vaccinations on the brain. This was based on a mistaken conclusion that the brain was protected from immune activation by its special protective gateway called the blood-brain barrier. More recent studies have shown that immune cells can enter the brain directly, and more importantly, the brain’s own special immune system can be activated by vaccination.
You see, the brain has a special immune system that operates through a unique type of cell called a microglia.These tiny cells are scattered throughout the brain, lying dormant waiting to be activated. In fact, they are activated by many stimuli and are quite easy to activate. For our discussion, activation of the body’s immune system by vaccination is a most important stimuli for activation of brain microglia.Numerous studies have shown that when the body’s immune system is activated, the brain’s immune cells are likewise activated. This occurs by several pathways, not important to this discussion. The more powerfully the body’s immune system is stimulated the more intense is the brain’s reaction. Prolonged activation of the body’s immune system likewise produces prolonged activation of the brain’s immune system.Therein lies the danger of our present vaccine policy.
The American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Family Practice have both endorsed a growing list of vaccines for children, even newborns, as well as yearly flu shots for both children and adults. Children are receiving as many as 22 inoculations before attending school.What Happens When the Brain’s Immune System is Activated?
The brain’s immune system cells, once activated, begin to move about the nervous system, secreting numerous immune chemicals (called cytokines and chemokines) and pouring out an enormous amount of free radicals in an effort to kill invading organisms. The problem is–there are no invading organisms. It has been tricked by the vaccine into believing there are.Unlike the body’s immune system, the microglia also secrete two other chemicals that are very destructive of brain cells and their connecting processes. These chemicals, glutamate and quinolinic acid, are called excitotoxins. They also dramatically increase free radical generation in the brain. Studies of patients have shown that levels of these two excitotoxins can rise to very dangerous levels in the brain following viral and bacterial infections of the brain. High quinolinic acid levels in the brain are thought to be the cause of the dementia seen with HIV infection.
The problem with our present vaccine policy is that so many vaccines are being given so close together and over such a long period that the brain’s immune system is constantly activated. This has been shown experimentally in numerous studies. This means that the brain will be exposed to large amounts of the excitotoxins as well as the immune cytokines over the same period.Studies on all of these disorders, even in autism, have shown high levels of immune cytokines and excitotoxins in the nervous system. These destructive chemicals, as well as the free radicals they generate, are diffused throughout the nervous system doing damage, a process called bystander injury. It’s sort of like throwing a bomb in a crowd. Not only will some be killed directly by the blast, but those far out into the radius of the explosion will be killed by shrapnel.Normally, the brain’s immune system, like the body’s, activates quickly and then promptly shuts off to minimize the bystander damage.
Vaccination won’t let the microglia shut down. In the developing brain, this can lead to language problems, behavioral dysfunction, and even dementia. In the adult, it can lead to the Gulf War Syndrome or one of the more common neurodegenerative diseases, such as Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s dementia, or Lou Gehrig’s disease."
After our oldest son had a very scary reaction to his 2 year old MMR shot we didn't have to be warned twice, that was the last time he was injected and it's very rare that he gets sick now (that was 20 years ago).
@EightImmortals: I was the one that wrote the comment on the YouTube video. I just made it up, I'm actually a postie.
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OzMedicalAdvice probably isn't the best place to ask
Visit your local GP instead.
Yeah definitely go visit a doctor