New Year, New Job! Grass Is Indeed Greener on The Other Side! Employee Loyalty Is Dead!

Aerith-Waifu on 10/01/2024 - 21:24
Last edited 12/01/2024 - 05:25

Remember this? Where my commission is dropping a whopping 80-90%? https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/823520

Well after attend an interview last week for a similar role with a different company, I just received a letter of employment today.

Higher Salary base of 25% more than my current job with Step System Commissions on top (which means once I have achieved my monthly sales target I will get an additional 1.5% on top of any sales above my target) I calculated that its not hard to get $5000 a month in commission with this step system.

This is huge huge difference compared to what I will be earning under the current company of $250 to $300 commission on a monthly basis.

Doing a letter of resignation tonight. By the way I am the first one to leave the current company, I have a feeling they will not like this when I hand in the resignation letter tomorrow………………

For those who are stuck in a role they hate, maybe it is indeed to look around and see if grass is greener on the other side.

Plenty of jobs out there in Perth at the moment. (Not sure about other states)

PS:

This is after hand in my resignation

1: asked me to do 6 more weeks instead of 4 weeks but I refused. 4 weeks are my minimum requirement which I see no point of giving them 2 more weeks, why would I after they cut my commission by 90%?

2: found out 2 other staff members has resigned, 1 casual staff effective immediately and one long timer also resigned but I don’t know who

3: was told not to discuss my resignation with anyone until the last day or 2 (even if I do what can they do? I don't need a reference from them as I used a reference from my previous job instead)

4: they made no counter offer (I am certain they made no counteroffer to anyone)

5: was also told I will not be getting any commissions for this month and also been warned not to bump up anyone else’s sale with my client as it will be cancelled if doing so

6: also been explicitly told if taking any sick leave Dr Certificate needs to be produced or no sick pay will be made

7: told not to proactively inform my current client where I am going unless they specifically asked where I went.

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Comments

  • trex on 10/01/2024 - 21:31
    +42

    Congrats! Sometimes the grass is greener due to manure

    • Aerith-Waifu on 10/01/2024 - 21:34
      +6

      In this case manure is the Step System Commission with a bump up of 25% in pay. LOL

    • HeWhoKnows on 11/01/2024 - 14:32

      "Employee Loyalty Is Dead!"

      Unfortunately EmployER died may years ago.

    • IIGnomeII on 12/01/2024 - 11:56
      +1

      Slight variant to the same saying but I prefer the 'Grass is greener on the other side fertilised with B.S.'

      Congrats OP on the new role!
      A lot of employees that were made redundant during the pandemic will have lost their employer trust, a good reminder to always keep your resume and skills up to date so you can make the move should you ever need to.

  • p1 ama on 10/01/2024 - 21:33
    +30

    Congratulations and good on you.

    Never understood why people show loyalty to employers. It's just business at the end of the day, and you'll either be let go, have your bonuses cut, have your working conditions tightened…etc. when there's an economic need for it. Nobody should ever be afraid of just applying for jobs and looking, even just to see what's out there. Always follow the benefits (whatever they are to you, financial or otherwise), and always be ready to leave if you're better off elsewhere.

    Good stuff, and hope you enjoy the new job.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 10/01/2024 - 21:36
      +5

      Thank you very much. Believe or not I am very happy with my current employer, good supervisors and good working culture. If they didn't cut our commissions to bare bone, I would absolutely stayed with them for many years to come.

      Stay loyal to the company is indeed no more like you said………..those times are over sadly.

      My current employer in this case really forced my hand as I am losing $25k to $30k a year if i stayed with them. I can buy a brand new Kia Cerato for that much money.

      • freefall101 on 10/01/2024 - 23:13
        +1

        Did you tell them this?

        • Montyjpm on 11/01/2024 - 09:36
          +5

          This is what Exit interview is for. Not before that.

          • freefall101 on 11/01/2024 - 18:30
            +5

            @Montyjpm: I've said to my employer that I wanted higher pay because the market was paying a lot higher and that was significant enough that I would walk, even though I enjoyed the job. It's how you get higher pay while keeping a good job. OP said they're happy with the employer and culture, it was solely a pay issue, now they're off for more pay but could be a crap environment.

            Your boss isn't omniscient and HR will generally see you as a job title in the system. Pay is just another part of the job that you can talk to them about, like training, equipment and job conditions.

            What do you get by waiting until the exit interview?

    • freefall101 on 10/01/2024 - 23:28
      +8

      In hindsight the best companies I've worked for are the ones where it barely mattered when I left. It's a good sign for the employee and the company.

      A training structure, good documentation, cross skilling, solid management and shared workload that isn't dependant on one person, it's all very good signs that the company is mature, stable and not run by people who think work is life. So when someone leaves, you pick from the people who'd love to go work there. It's never that flawless, but there's no desperate pleading to keep people. Easy to feel like a cog in the machine, but that's not always a bad thing if the cog makes sense.

      Unfortunately it's also very hard to move up in said companies because people stay there forever. So branching out is the way to find challenges and new opportunities. But when I'm 55, I'll be looking at heading back to a couple of those companies.

  • Master Bates on 10/01/2024 - 21:37
    +10

    when I hand in the resignation letter

    Best feeling ever.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 10/01/2024 - 21:38
      -7

      Apart from calling sick for the next 4 weeks? Hell yeah!

      I am prepared to burn the bridges as I require nothing from my current employer now.

      Already accepted the new employer so all is good on my end.

      Employee royalty is dead!

      • th123 on 10/01/2024 - 22:30
        +52

        I know it feels good in the moment but it's always safer to not burn bridges.

        • pharkurnell on 11/01/2024 - 10:54
          +4

          Agree.. You never know where your current manager maybe workin in 4 months time…. or if you go for another job somewhere.

        • strangeloops66 on 11/01/2024 - 17:33

          Especially when your current employer takes over your soon-to-be employer in a year or so.

        • imnotgoingtopayrrp on 11/01/2024 - 17:44
          +1

          Or if a future merger happens. That happened to me when 5 companies formed one mega company. All the bad eggs were disposed of within a month.

      • us3rnam3tak3n on 11/01/2024 - 18:34
        +3

        Perth is too tight knit to burn bridges. Best to say what you need to in a diplomatic way and leave some things unsaid.

      • Zondor on 11/01/2024 - 20:18

        Yeah nah bro don't burn bridges it's a small world.

      • IIGnomeII on 12/01/2024 - 12:05

        Bad idea to burn bridges with old employers, people that you work with could move to companies you would love to work with down the track and they will remember you.

        They are good for a laugh but when I see videos of people publishing their quiet quitting or making a scene they forget that future employers will likely see it which will be very limiting to their careers.

      • brawndo on 12/01/2024 - 18:32

        Long live employee royalty

    • SpainKing on 11/01/2024 - 17:23

      Username checks out. I think?

  • sumyungguy on 10/01/2024 - 21:50
    +6

    Grass is greener refers to actually grazing on the alternative pasture. You've changed jobs, pay is better, but the grass may well be just another shade of brown. I'm sure you'll report back in due course.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 10/01/2024 - 21:56
      -5

      As long as there is no Karen at the new place I am fine with anything………lol

      • sumyungguy on 10/01/2024 - 21:59
        +7

        You're about to find out if your current employer rates you: the counter-offer.

        • Aerith-Waifu on 10/01/2024 - 22:02
          +5

          Well I think its too late for that, despite the fact I am always the top 3 sales in the company, they still decided to cut the commissions. That goes to say they are willing to let the good people go………guess I will find out tomorrow

          • Montyjpm on 11/01/2024 - 09:39

            @Aerith-Waifu: Yeah, need to tell them "pay peanuts get monkeys"

            • Kangal on 12/01/2024 - 08:11
              -2

              @Montyjpm: Monkeys dont eat peanuts, they eat birds. Didn't mean to correct you, so go bananas.

        • pandadude on 11/01/2024 - 10:34

          You should discuss with your manager at the start if they are able to give u a better deal and then go to the market.

          Most of the time the answer is no but at least you gave them a chance. Also if the answer is go out to the market so we can compare then the answer is time to move on. They can benchmark against the market themselves.

          If you go to the market without giving them at least a chance you might find it hard to use them as a reference.

          • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 05:05

            @pandadude: I had an informal meeting with the new commission and was shot down very quickly saying if you can achieve what you achieved in the past then there is no way you can’t achieve with the new system.

            Unicorns are also real.

            I didn’t use them as a reference. I used a reference with my previous job and was accepted

            • pandadude on 12/01/2024 - 10:35
              +1

              @Aerith-Waifu: Yeah but how many future jobs can you use your previous job as a reference. In the future you may need to use your most recent past job as a reference.

              The point is at least giving your manager a chance. So at least they feel they had a chance even if there hands are tied. Note this assumes your manager is someone you may use in the future as a reference.

  • solidussnake on 10/01/2024 - 22:02
    +1

    Keep us updated on how tomorrow goes 😃

    • plmko on 10/01/2024 - 22:07
      +1

      Yeah won't be long for this guy.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 11/01/2024 - 03:06
      +1

      Anything I should expect? Once the letter is in I dont think there is much they can do?

      • nige0090 on 11/01/2024 - 10:05
        +5

        They might try to make you feel guilty about leaving - you are a key person here etc…
        They might try to spoil your move - they hear bad things about your new employer, etc. and you were destined for great things here going forward…
        They might make a counter offer - almost never ask for or accept a counter offer.
        They might ask you work for longer than your notice period - sorry no, already accepted start date at new job
        They might ask you not to discus your exit with your colleagues, to prevent others getting the same idea - sorry, too late
        You will probably lose any Time Off In Lieu that you have accrued.

        Try not to burn bridges unnecessarily, even if its tempting. Some people bear grudges.
        Enjoy your move and "shake the dust off your feet".
        You will forget your old employer very quickly.

        • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:50
          +1

          Few things happened today:

          1: asked me to do 6 more weeks instead of 4 weeks but I refused. 4 weeks are my minimum requirement which I see no point of giving them 2 more weeks

          2: found out 2 other staff members has resigned, 1 casual effective immediately and one long timer also resigned but I don’t know who

          3: was told not to discuss my resignation with anyone until the last day or 2

          4: they made no counter offer

          5: was also told I will not be getting any commissions for this month and also been warned not to bump up anyone else’s sale with my client as it will be cancelled if doing so

          6: also been explicitly told if taking any sick leave dr certificate needs to be produced or no pay will be made

          7: told not to proactively inform my current client where I am going unless they specifically asked where I went.

          • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 12/01/2024 - 07:11
            +5

            @Aerith-Waifu: Hope you laughed in their face. I would have.

            • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 07:44
              +3

              @Typical16-bitEnjoyer: Well to be honest I was expecting half of it. What I did not expect is not to inform my clients I am leaving, 2 others has already resigned and also not bumping up others with my sales.

              By the way I am taking a sick day today due to not feeling well. I got a feeling I won’t be well for another week or so. I officially finish on the 12th of Feb so I am going to use up all my sick leave which is 3 weeks

              • KSMLJ on 12/01/2024 - 07:49
                +4

                @Aerith-Waifu:

                What I did not expect is not to inform my clients I am leaving

                I would do it as a basic courtesy to your clients, what are they gonna do? Fire you?

                • ArjaytheGuy on 12/01/2024 - 08:48
                  +2

                  @KSMLJ: I find this interesting.

                  I was always under the impression that most competent companies that employed sales people wouls have non-competition clauses in your contract (to prevent exiting employees poaching clients).

                  Is that not the case in practice?

                  • TiredKitty78 on 16/01/2024 - 02:19

                    @ArjaytheGuy: I'm really interested to….
                    Is it a myth? Because a person has to work, so what would it be 'No, you can't work sales for any telecoms because non-compete clause' when they've spent 10 years selling for a telecom…for example.

              • May4th on 12/01/2024 - 10:44
                +1

                @Aerith-Waifu: again, if it's not in the contract, ie. non compete clause, treat it like a fart in the wind and ignore.

                • InfiniteRegression on 12/01/2024 - 11:36
                  +3

                  @May4th: Non compete clauses even in contract don't mean much once you are no longer employed by current employer, they can only enforce while employed by that company.

                  • May4th on 12/01/2024 - 11:50
                    +2

                    @InfiniteRegression: they are more commonly for the scenario when they are NOT employed by that company, whether it's enforceable is a different story

                    • Chandler on 12/01/2024 - 16:30
                      +3

                      @May4th: Generally not enforceable for non-C-suite positions. What, you're trying to tell me I can't use my primary experience/skillset to find employment? Good luck with that!

              • onetwothreefour on 12/01/2024 - 12:51

                @Aerith-Waifu:

                By the way I am taking a sick day today due to not feeling well. I got a feeling I won’t be well for another week or so. I officially finish on the 12th of Feb so I am going to use up all my sick leave which is 3 weeks

                So have you got a Dr certificate to cover you for those 3 weeks or are you taking unpaid leave?

                • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 15:53
                  +1

                  @onetwothreefour: I will be taking as much as sick leave as I can with Dr Certificate as I go.

                  • morebunnings on 13/01/2024 - 07:34
                    +4

                    @Aerith-Waifu: GP's will write long (weeks) sick leave notes for mental health reasons. The stress you've been under for the last few months trying to find a new job due to the pay cut must be immense.

  • miwahni on 10/01/2024 - 22:07
    +3

    Well done you, and all the best for your new role!

  • Muzeeb on 10/01/2024 - 22:15

    Congratulations.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 11/01/2024 - 03:03

      Expecting a one liner from you! What the world coming to……………………….!

      Thanks many:)

  • El cheepo on 10/01/2024 - 22:24
    +5

    I’m all for jumping off a sinking ship, heck I’ve gone down with a couple out of loyalty and regretted it.

    But I wouldn’t go bragging and talking it up as the be all and end all before you’ve actually made the change.

    The new place might look good on paper but have unseen issues.

    All the best with it though.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 11/01/2024 - 03:08
      -3

      Totally not going to put on FB or anything, going to be low key.

  • spackbace on 10/01/2024 - 22:38
    +5

    Echoing comments above, no need to shout it from the rooftops until you've worked for a few months at the job. Could be all sorts of factors that affect things (unfriendly coworkers, lack of customers, etc).
    This is coming from an industry where everyone always thinks the grass is always greener, but it isn't always

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:45
      -1

      True. I guess I will need to work a lot harder to prove myself with this new company also.

  • Ash-Say on 10/01/2024 - 22:41
    -1

    Well done

    Its always better to do movement

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:45

      Guess I find out in 1 month. Thank you:)

  • onetwothreefour on 10/01/2024 - 22:55
    +3

    Don't tell the new boss about your hobby.

  • holdenmg on 11/01/2024 - 00:03

    Congrats.

    Surprisingly their opening offer to whoever they look to take on for the vacancy you create will probably not even get the offer you leave behind.
    They will low ball and ultimately hold out what you were offered after six months.

    On the up side, the revolving door of people will power a small city for years and global warming will be reversed.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 11/01/2024 - 03:09
      -1

      Honestly don't know, I did see one new name starting next week………….oh wait!

      Maybe someone did leave we just don't know about it yet that's why the new guy is starting next week.

  • Mechz on 11/01/2024 - 00:13
    +8

    OP, do you ever swich off the sales rhetoric?

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 05:07
      -1

      Yes. When I am in my hobby utopia

  • nomoneynoproblems on 11/01/2024 - 04:45
    +1

    Congrats on your new job, but who the hell writes letters? Just type an email after you’ve had a verbal convo to your immediate report.

    • Mechz on 11/01/2024 - 05:12
      +1

      Nah it's more fun in writing (which is what the email is, just printed out) because you watch them react in real time.

      • KSMLJ on 11/01/2024 - 06:38

        because you watch them react in real time

        Cost of printing letter: 0.03 cents

        Watching shocked Pikachu face in real time: Priceless!

        It's the little things that makes life worth living.

        • Mechz on 11/01/2024 - 09:00
          +6

          Zero cents printing cost on the work printer.

        • Montyjpm on 11/01/2024 - 09:42

          Are you Dr. Evil?

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:36
      -1

      I am old school. I think a hand written letter is still better than email

      • Kangal on 12/01/2024 - 08:18

        Cursive… with curses?

  • fredz0r on 11/01/2024 - 08:32

    Money might be greener, however workplace could be toxic….

    • Porker on 11/01/2024 - 09:52

      ^^ This. We'll just need to wait to see what the future updates/posts hold

    • Mechz on 11/01/2024 - 09:59

      That's a risk you take going anywhere.

      I imagine OPs old workplace will become toxic once the new commission structure is in.

      • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:39
        +2

        It’s not toxic, everyone I know been there short or long has lost motivation due to commissions changes though

        Imagine suddenly your $78k becomes $53k overnight just because someone from the east did an internal review and decided it’s ok to pay the staff $25k a year less for the same work.

        People with mortgage is going to be really hard to do their house budget

  • websterp on 11/01/2024 - 09:01

    Congrats. Time to order that high yield investment on wheels.

  • CodeXD on 11/01/2024 - 09:02

    I calculated that its not hard to get $5000 a month in commission with this step system.

    Is the $5k a month commission on top of your regular salary?

    Either way massive congratulations!

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:26
      -1

      Yes my base pay has been bumped to around $64k + $5k per month on commission if I achieve the target

      • witsa on 12/01/2024 - 08:05

        Nice so you went from a job that paid 53k to 124k? That's impressive.

        • Kangal on 12/01/2024 - 08:22

          Me too!
          The difference between 2018 vs 2021 vs 2023. I'm now working four times less, but earning four times more, in the span of four years. But it's not all gravy, there's many downsides.

        • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 15:56
          -1

          Well technically I was on around $78k with commissions, so it’s a difference of $46k

  • Showmethebargains on 11/01/2024 - 09:09

    Congratulations! Hope the new job works out really well for you.

  • ihbh on 11/01/2024 - 10:24

    Don't forget FIFO when the economy turns, so be prepared for it as a risk management procedure.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:41
      -1

      You hit the nail, I need to be careful as it is a risk

    • Typical16-bitEnjoyer on 12/01/2024 - 07:14
      +1

      Do you mean LIFO?

      • ihbh on 12/01/2024 - 11:01

        oops.

  • HelpMeiCantSee on 11/01/2024 - 10:48
    +2

    Congratulations mate, good on you!

    Please keep us updated, and when they counteroffer you, be polite and tell them that it would have been much better to offer when they changed the pay structure.

    All the best mate!

    • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 04:43
      -1

      No counter offer. Just a date on when is your last day.

      I won’t be getting any commission this month also as once I hand in the letter. I am not eligible for commission.

      Funny enough that I also been warned that do not put any of my sales for the remaining of the month under anyone else’s name as it will be canceled

      • lainey13 on 12/01/2024 - 09:38
        +4

        Seems to me you have permission to not do anything in your last month!

        • Aerith-Waifu on 12/01/2024 - 15:57
          +1

          I think they still want me to do as much sale as I can. But why should I? I just rock up some days and rest times I be unwell

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