Carl's Jr. - 20 Restaurants Closed

LBazzywazzy on 29/07/2024 - 16:40
Last edited 30/07/2024 - 11:51 by 2 other users

Hey guys, everyone in my restaurant just got fired, no notice period no nothing. Anyway any questions you guys have I can answer

Context: 2 new people were chosen to make the decision, financially Carl's Jr. wasn't doing too well so they closed 20 restaurants and 4 are going to be kept up

Mod 30/7 - 20 out of the 49 Stores have closed down. 4 Continue to trade in administration, 25 stores are independently owned and aren't in administration and trade as normal (including all stores in SA).

Based on the initial stages of this assessment, the Voluntary Administrators will continue to trade 4 of the owned and operated CJ’s Group restaurants on a business-as-usual basis. 20 restaurants will be immediately closed as of the date of the appointment.

The appointment of Voluntary Administrators excludes the 25 restaurants independently owned and operated by third-party sub-licensees. These restaurants will be transitioned to a direct licensed relationship with CKE Restaurants Holdings, Inc. (CKE). The Voluntary Administrators anticipate minimal change in the continued operation of these locations.

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  • CodeXD on 29/07/2024 - 16:44

    Sorry to hear mate.

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    • Bazzywazzy on 29/07/2024 - 17:00

      honestly i was pretty done with the place, planning to leave soon so i don't really care about it except the part where im not making money

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      • Dr Phil on 30/07/2024 - 10:57

        Cafe and restaurant closures are up 50% on last year.
        Hospitality industry is really hurting right now…

        Higher wage costs
        Higher raw material costs
        Higher energy costs
        Higher transport/delivery costs
        Then you have….
        Less customers eating out or less frequently
        Customers spending less

        See here: https://www.lightspeedhq.com.au/blog/restaurant-inflation/

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        • banana365 on 30/07/2024 - 17:34

          Higher wage costs? Any wage increases since they opened have been minimal. Even the article you linked to doesn't say that's a factor.

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        • superuser on 31/07/2024 - 07:10

          “Profit margins have traditionally sat at around 10 per cent." Anyone here in industry could confirm this?

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      • brandt on 05/08/2024 - 12:07

        make sure your super and entitlements are paid in full by Carl Jr. and if he doesn't dont hesitate to go to Carl Sr.

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      • Loopholio on 30/07/2024 - 12:01

        @Bazzywazzy did your store serve their burgers lukewarm? My local store never serves their food hot and I'm wondering if it's all stores.

        (I don't work there)

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        • Bazzywazzy on 30/07/2024 - 13:20

          just depends on the person and managers, we were more carefree but then they tried to become more strict but it didn't really work. Some managers don't give a (profanity), some don't care what they do but care if the others do their job properly and a minority care about both. If it's busy then it's probs lukewarm

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            • Bazzywazzy on 30/07/2024 - 21:27

              @[Deactivated]: aww thanks man :D

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        • ColonelSanders on 30/07/2024 - 11:17

          What a ridiculous thing to say.

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        • brifog on 30/07/2024 - 15:01

          Yeah this one employee was definitely the downfall of the entire Carls Jr franchise in Australia…

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          • mapax on 30/07/2024 - 15:04

            @brifog: Whew, I was worried it was my fault because I refused to try it for so long…

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        • JH100 on 30/07/2024 - 15:27

          Culture comes or is enabled from the top.

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        • sauce2k on 31/07/2024 - 13:11

          following your energy - OZB would have been a better place if it wasn't for d********like you mate

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        • 2esc on 30/07/2024 - 18:00

          People can perform exceptionally well at a job but still not feel the job is for them for a range of reasons.

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        • Brianqpr on 31/07/2024 - 15:46

          Sounds like you need a friend.

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        • [Deactivated] on 31/07/2024 - 16:35

          Or you were.

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        • beltdrive on 12/08/2024 - 22:39

          lol. bootlicker.

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  • Clambabula on 29/07/2024 - 17:01

    The reason it failed is because aussies pay children to serve the food and as a result you get slop that is so far from real carls jr it aint funny.

    I gave up going there cos i was sick of being served crap, expensive crap.

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    • Gervais fanboy on 29/07/2024 - 17:08

      Fast food market’s already very saturated, for a new player to come in and try to compete with Maccas and HJ would be a travesty in itself.

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      • Clambabula on 29/07/2024 - 20:24

        There are 20 fast food places closing down a week because of this. (You know the rest 😂)

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      • dan2k on 30/07/2024 - 11:08

        ha ha saturated, I see what you did there :) …

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    • Bazzywazzy on 29/07/2024 - 17:14

      dude i get you, like 80% of the people there are 18 or younger. I'm hungry and want a bite but when i check our prices i instantly change my mind

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      • smartazz104 on 30/07/2024 - 11:56

        but when i check our prices i instantly change my mind

        That would mean Maccas should have shut down years ago, and yet people still go there.

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    • smartazz104 on 30/07/2024 - 11:55

      Like every other fast-food franchise in the country.

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    • apey2000 on 30/07/2024 - 19:41

      Yeap.. Carl's in Asia (as an example) is miles better in terms of quality and taste than the crap served in Aus. I am not surprised Carl's failed here.

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  • Costanza on 29/07/2024 - 21:13

    Voluntary Administration
    https://kpmg.com/au/en/home/creditors/carlsjr.html

    Companies subject to Administration
    CJ’s QSR Group Pty Ltd ACN 614 373 474
    CJ'S QSR (Franchise) Group Pty Ltd ACN 647 175 880
    CJ'S Melton Pty Ltd ACN 636 648 792
    CJ'S Wetherill Park Pty Ltd ACN 642 535 420
    CJ'S Thomastown Pty Ltd ACN 630 636 305
    CJ'S Bringelly Pty Ltd ACN 646 224 311
    CJ'S Lyndhurst Pty Ltd ACN 640 121 375
    CJ'S Epping Pty Ltd ACN 640 214 866
    CJ'S Altona Pty Ltd ACN 630 537 030
    CJ'S Dandenong Pty Ltd ACN 628 410 819
    CJ'S Shepparton Pty Ltd ACN 637 161 767
    CJ'S Knox Pty Ltd ACN 626 822 115
    CJ'S Ballarat Pty Ltd ACN 628 062 966
    CJ'S Docklands Pty Ltd ACN 628 618 708
    CJ'S Greenvale Pty Ltd ACN 628 410 524
    CJS (Williams Landing) Pty Ltd ACN 621 777 035
    CJs (Cranbourne) Pty Ltd ACN 621 777 302
    CJ'S Clayton Pty Ltd ACN 641 324 030
    CJ'S Dubbo Pty Ltd ACN 642 534 656
    CJ'S Braybrook Pty Ltd ACN 650 365 183
    CJ'S Epsom Pty Ltd ACN 639 187 527
    CJ'S Bathurst Pty Ltd ACN 653 715 087
    CJ'S Wodonga Pty Ltd ACN 647 153 277
    CJ'S Craigieburn Pty Ltd ACN 641 324 236
    CJ'S Campbellfield Pty Ltd ACN 642 534 665
    CJ'S Fortitude Valley Pty Ltd ACN 672 087 651
    CJ'S Tarneit Pty Ltd ACN 662 375 126
    CJ'S Piara Waters Pty Ltd ACN 667 225 710
    CJ's Bayswater Pty Ltd ACN 637 161 776
    CJ's Hervey Bay Pty Ltd ACN 638 955 718
    CJ's Beaconsfield Pty Ltd ACN 638 955 736
    CJ's Armstrong Creek Pty Ltd ACN 642 912 383
    CJ's Nowra Pty Ltd ACN 643 168 683
    CJ's Orange Pty Ltd ACN 646 224 320
    CJ's Mordialloc Pty Ltd ACN 646 224 473
    CJ's Warrawong Pty Ltd ACN 647 175 871
    CJ's Gregory Hills Pty Ltd ACN 652 841 720
    CJ's Moe Pty Ltd ACN 652 881 091
    CJ's Sunbury Pty Ltd ACN 653 234 649
    CJ's Seaford Pty Ltd ACN 653 435 655
    CJ's Clyde North Pty Ltd ACN 655 779 865
    CJ's Butler Pty Ltd ACN 658 762 040
    CJ's Tapping Pty Ltd ACN 659 692 949
    CJ's Mirrabooka Pty Ltd ACN 660 670 226
    CJ's Ellenbrook Pty Ltd ACN 662 375 135
    CJ's Acacia Ridge Pty Ltd ACN 667 225 701
    CJ's Grafton Pty Ltd ACN 673 737 034
    CJ's Byford Pty Ltd ACN 675 158 577
    CJ's East Albury Pty Ltd ACN 647 311 233

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    • berger on 29/07/2024 - 22:02

      Terrible locations. Ballarat and Albury were never going to succeed. Premium burgers in country towns doomed form the beginning.

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      • Guybrush57 on 29/07/2024 - 22:06

        The Albury one never opened. It's just a rebadged ABN from a Melbourne store.

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        • elgrande on 30/07/2024 - 07:56

          Yep, had to drive accross the border to Wodonga..

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      • gromit on 30/07/2024 - 08:25

        For any popular fast food Albury/woodonga is an excellent location, all the traffic for Melb-Sydney

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      • DONMAI on 31/07/2024 - 20:57

        premium? :O

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    • duluxe2000 on 29/07/2024 - 22:03

      Why is each store a separate company ? What the benefit of doing it ?

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      • Wiadro on 29/07/2024 - 22:10

        as far as I understand it, each store was its own franchise even when company-owned.

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        • MrFrugalSpend on 29/07/2024 - 23:05

          exactly - benefits:
          - You sell the franchise and that's how you fund your rapid expansion and have someone local actually caring about running it;
          - Risk mitigation, spreads it with the franchisee and separates each from the other.

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          • Wiadro on 29/07/2024 - 23:31

            @MrFrugalSpend: Sadly they never sold these off so the risk was entirely with head office.

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            • MrFrugalSpend on 29/07/2024 - 23:37

              @Wiadro: Sure but that was the plan, the question was asked why people do it, not whether they've had success in this case. Regardless, the risk mitigation could still have worked / work yet, as they may have kept profitable stores in separate legal entities isolated along with their transactions with third parties from the rest of the mess.
              Clearly all the entities listed here have been dragged into it, that's not to say there isn't others that are still happily not involved that creditors / administrators can't touch. More likely its all one tangled mess and they've thrown in the towel, but its possible with this segregated arrangement and good planning to take out part of a group of businesses only.

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              • Wiadro on 29/07/2024 - 23:42

                @MrFrugalSpend: But if the main franchise company topples, don’t they all?

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                • MrFrugalSpend on 31/07/2024 - 14:25

                  @Wiadro: Not in the legal entity sense - not really.
                  The individual companies are exactly that.
                  They may not be able to function as Carls Jnr, as that is a brand licensed by the franchisor that fell over so the franchise agreement will be invalidated, but if Joe and Mary Bloggs bought a franchise, own CJ's XYZ Pty Ltd, and they are trading fine, and solvent, then they have their own legal contracts with whoever, maybe even their own lease, so there's no need for them to be dragged into any dissolution or pursued for Carl's Jnr's debts, so they could re-brand their business CJ's Burgers and carry on. A friend of mine did this, they still operate a business today as an independent store that was once part of a franchise group that failed 20+ years ago.

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      • netjock on 30/07/2024 - 08:17

        You can sell it to a sucker… Franchisee I mean…

        If master franchise goes bust I don't hold much hope for the franchisees.

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    • Kranbone on 29/07/2024 - 22:42

      Sad that my local is on that list. The people there were very good and it was much better than HJ (after a slow start).

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    • lachhelix on 30/07/2024 - 00:48

      Totally insane - they like JUST opened Beaconsfield a month or two ago

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      • sheebies on 30/07/2024 - 09:13

        Epsom was opened October last year.

        they gave out free burgers for a year to the first person through the door or some similar promotion.. and they didn’t even last a year..

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        • Brick50 on 31/07/2024 - 17:56

          Can't have been the location.. I'm sure the demographic of epsom/huntly/jackass flat is perfect for them!

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          • sheebies on 01/08/2024 - 16:37

            @Brick50: From what I've heard and (i know a few people who work in the complex) no one went there, it was over priced for average food. I guess it also didn't help that the bendigo newspaper ran an article about how the people in the nearby milk bar were outraged that their kids wouldn't be able to attend ballet lessons if their profits dropped.

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    • freoleo on 01/08/2024 - 00:25

      FFS, all the WA stores are on here before even opening, was looking forward to this after having it in America earlier this year

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    • Ghost47 on 29/07/2024 - 22:04

      Interesting, some of the restaurants that appear on the website appear on this list. I guess the website can't be relied on then.

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      • Brick Tamland on 30/07/2024 - 17:11

        They are in administration only so they may continue trading, or they may not.

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      • Guybrush57 on 29/07/2024 - 22:06

        Click on the more information button for each store you think is closing down and see if it does to the right page.

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        • Ghost47 on 29/07/2024 - 22:38

          Some stores aren't appearing at all (e.g. Knox) but some are with broken links (e.g. Wondonga) and some are fine (e.g. Bringelly). All these examples appear in the list above though, so going to guess that the site admin is still working through the stores.

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    • Vool on 30/07/2024 - 10:30

      A few of these don't even exist yet, can you close something that was never open? 🤣

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      • holdenmg on 30/07/2024 - 10:48

        Masters did.

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    • Pinchy on 30/07/2024 - 11:10

      My locals isn’t on this list. Yay! Wonder how long that will last.

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    • koplik88 on 01/08/2024 - 16:03

      25 sublicensed Carl’s Jr restaurants not subject to the Voluntary Administration
      https://carlsjr.com.au/2/news/

      Victoria

      Carl’s Jr. Armstrong Creek
      Carl’s Jr. Beaconsfield

      New South Wales

      Carl’s Jr. Bateau Bay – Central Coast
      Carl’s Jr. Glendale – Central Coast
      Carl’s Jr. Nowra – South Coast
      Carl’s Jr. Warrawong – South Coast
      Carl’s Jr. Bringelly – Western Sydney

      South Australia

      Carl’s Jr.Clearview
      Carl’s Jr. Elizabeth
      Carl’s Jr. Kilburn
      Carl’s Jr. Mr Barker
      Carl’s Jr. Pooraka
      Carl’s Jr. St Peters
      Carl’s Jr. West Lakes

      Queensland

      Carl’s Jr. Eagleby
      Carl’s Jr. Hope Island
      Carl’s Jr. Logan Village
      Carl’s Jr. Molendinar
      Carl’s Jr. Morayfield
      Carl’s Jr. Pimpama
      Carl’s Jr. Redbank Plains
      Carl’s Jr. Riverview
      Carls Jr. Rockhampton
      Carls Jr. Rothwell
      Carl’s Jr. Slacks Creek
      Carl’s Jr. West Ipswich

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  • KaTst3R on 29/07/2024 - 16:51

    Sorry to hear that. I love Carl's Jr, if only they have stores in the inner Sydney area.

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    • apsilon on 29/07/2024 - 17:59

      Wasn't there one store in Sydney and that was Wetherill Park or something? Not sure how they picked that as their one and only Sydney store. For me that'd be a 30min drive each way to buy a burger that's the same quality as HJ (and that's not a tick in the pro column) but more expensive. Not surprising the business model has failed.

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      • Ghost47 on 29/07/2024 - 19:08

        Yeah there was one in Wetherill Park.

        I just looked at the stores showing up in NSW and VIC and they basically have no stores close to Sydney or Melbourne CBDs now. NSW has one in Bringelly (wherever that is) but the rest are more regional and the VIC stores are pretty much all in the outer suburbs. Pain in the butt for anyone who wants to have Carl's Jr. now. Rent is probably cheaper though. It all goes back to property.

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        • CurlCurl on 29/07/2024 - 20:15

          NSW has one in Bringelly (wherever that is)

          That's 5 minutes from the new Western Sydney Airport when it opens in 2026.

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          • Kill Joy on 31/07/2024 - 09:37

            @CurlCurl: Is currently 90% rural while developers are still snapping up land, so it was a long play to put that store there.

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          • Ghost47 on 29/07/2024 - 20:16

            @CurlCurl: Such a far way for Sydneysiders to go to get some Carl's Jr. They should've kept the Wetherill Park store open.

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        • Franc-T on 01/08/2024 - 17:55

          Yah the new one in epping is closed, and there is a starbucks sign on it, didnt even realise till today as I went past

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    • kaleidoscope on 29/07/2024 - 21:54

      Hayyaaa…
      Sorry to hear man. I really liked the big carl over anything that maccas could offer :-/

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    • SimAus007 on 30/07/2024 - 10:09

      Yeah, their stores were never located well. Melb CBD didn't have a store, unless you want to count Docklands as the CBD, but that was a PITA to get to for most people and dead quite all day.

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  • Drakesy on 29/07/2024 - 17:33

    Australia's economy is fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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    • neoleo on 30/07/2024 - 07:44

      More than 11k businesses have closed in the last 1 financial year … ATO acts like loan sharks. High inflation with high oil price, electricity, gas, higher lease, etc. I read the news …

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      • smartazz104 on 30/07/2024 - 11:57

        Nah no one can afford the exorbitant rents that landlords are expecting; they'd rather have a property that sits empty and boarded up.

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      • BobLim on 30/07/2024 - 21:28

        ATO acts like loan sharks

        Good. I was forced to pay all my income tax mandatorily upfront, before I even saw a cent in my own account. Companies shouldn't be able to get away without paying what they owe

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  • yellowfever on 29/07/2024 - 20:28

    They invested heavily and did not have the products to back the gamble. Burgers are crap. Nothing special.
    In the Australian market (or at least Melbourne), people will pay top $$ for good food. People will line up for awesome burgers. Customers won't pay above average $$ for mediocre food. Maccas, KFC and HJ's has that low budget customer base covered.
    Glad to see it move on.

    Guzman Y Gomez could be next if they are not clever with their investments.

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    • netjock on 30/07/2024 - 08:13

      Guzman Y Gomez could be next if they are not clever with their investments.

      The clever part was listing on the stock exchange and leave the shareholders holding the bag

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    • pharkurnell on 29/07/2024 - 20:34

      Be nice if maccas or HJ's saw this as a kicking to pickup their shit burgers. But they know people will accept slop

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      • yellowfever on 29/07/2024 - 20:39

        they don't really need to. they have a standard menu that has worked for decades. and will always have low budget customer base for decades to come.

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        • pharkurnell on 29/07/2024 - 20:43

          agree.. but I had HJ for first time in months the other day and needed a straw to consume teh slop.. it just fell to pieces with so much sauce etc on it

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          • Forfiet on 30/07/2024 - 02:21

            @pharkurnell: I've had to swear off my closest maccas, always f-the order up and the reviews seem to reflect it….

            Seems strange for a location to be that bad……

            Was getting fed up with half my order missing and being stone cold, but at least they were consistent I guess…..

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            • pharkurnell on 30/07/2024 - 09:35

              @Forfiet: I always thought fkin up the order was normal for all of em.. Maccas, HJ, Redrooter etc

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        • smartazz104 on 30/07/2024 - 12:00

          low budget customer base

          Not sure what these guys think "low budget" means these days; maybe the quality is low budget.

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    • Plasma on 29/07/2024 - 21:33

      Didn't GYG just make over a billion floating on to the stock exchange? They'll be right…

      This will be an absolute disaster for those still operating as a franchisee. May as well stick a fork in the entire establishment.

      It also should not have taken them up until a few weeks ago to release a half-decent app with drive through ordering capabilities.

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      • lachhelix on 30/07/2024 - 00:47

        Yeah, GYG aren't going anywhere haha

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        • netjock on 30/07/2024 - 08:14

          Booktopia listed on the stock exchange, now in administration.

          REX also going that way too

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          • lachhelix on 30/07/2024 - 22:43

            @netjock: Lmao "Booktopia" hardly comparable

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            • netjock on 31/07/2024 - 20:27

              @lachhelix: Just wait until GYG goes into administration. Administration is administration.

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      • netjock on 30/07/2024 - 08:15

        Didn't GYG just make over a billion floating on to the stock exchange?

        Depends on whether they raised money issuing new shares or just selling the shares of existing shareholders.

        Only something like 10% of shares are trading so they just got a value for the business and if everyone runs for the exits all the shareholders are stuffed.

        Like Star Entertainment. Years ago I worked for a company that owned Star City Casino and the attitude didn't cut it, no surprise what happened, it was only a matter of time.

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    • smartazz104 on 30/07/2024 - 11:59

      People will line up

      Yes

      for awesome burgers

      ehh…

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  • Poor Ass on 29/07/2024 - 21:21

    LMAO

    CJ'S Fortitude Valley Pty Ltd ACN 672 087 651

    This store is set to open in August and already set to close

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    • Plasma on 29/07/2024 - 21:37

      Bit like a Masters store that was built in Adelaide and nearly ready to go.

      The Tarneit store in Vic only opened a few weeks ago and survives for now being a franchisee.

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      • Poor Ass on 29/07/2024 - 22:50

        The worse was Taco Bell

        Tasteless cold food everytime

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    • holdenmg on 30/07/2024 - 00:51

      Waneroo (WA) just approved a Carl’s Jr, Starbucks, Grill’d and Red Rooster.

      Wonder if it will ever open.

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      • Poor Ass on 30/07/2024 - 07:58

        Ahh my old favourite location for the 7 Eleven chopper. RIP.

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  • plmko on 29/07/2024 - 23:16

    Sad to see it go when Maccas continues to dish trash to us at high prices.

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    • Wiadro on 29/07/2024 - 23:34

      Blame the boomers and their kids.
      They grew up on Maccas.
      My boomer father thinks burgers from an independent burger shop or even HJ are absolutely shithouse compared to Maccas.

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      • smartazz104 on 30/07/2024 - 12:03

        Weird, considering many of them would have grown up when there were no Maccas around.

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      • gromit on 30/07/2024 - 14:53

        Maccas didn't even exist in Australia till the 70's and took quite a few years to be prolific. Hell I grew up in the 70's and 80's and the nearest maccas was over 100km's away. If anything your Boomer dad seems a wierd exception.

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      • elgrande on 30/07/2024 - 08:02

        Thats because your dad doesn't watch tiktoks that convince him that burgers from a random food truck with a 2 star food safety rating are better than an established burger company..

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        • Wiadro on 30/07/2024 - 08:26

          I wouldn’t eat from a food truck anyway.

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  • da1andonly on 29/07/2024 - 19:04

    Carl's Jr sucks, they should bring popeyes to Australia

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    • websterp on 29/07/2024 - 19:26

      Or Chick-fil-A

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