Thoughts on Purchasing Second Hand Tesla in 2025 Considering Current Political Climate?

mavis30551 on 25/03/2025 - 15:59
Last edited 25/03/2025 - 16:07 by 1 other user

I am in the market for a new car.

I honestly would love to just buy another Camry. Was the best car I ever had, but alas FBT exemption is making me look towards EV's. (Plus my previous $30k brand new Camry is over $40k brand new now, wth is up with that!)

I've already discounted buying a new Tesla, I don't agree with Elon's political views but surely some 3 year old Tesla's coming out of 3 year novated leases couldn't be a bad deal?

If I cash in on the drop in value to Tesla and get a good deal on a few year old Tesla am I still supporting Bozo over there?

Obviously other things to consider like battery health and I'm sure depreciation will be even worse but you don't buy a second hand car worried about depreciation as much do ya.

What are peoples thoughts? They're setting fire to them in the states surely that doesn't happen here. Is buying second hand just as bad as buying new when it comes to supporting muskies ideals.

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Comments

        • Aureus on 25/03/2025 - 21:00
          +5

          lol

          • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 21:01
            -4

            @Aureus: So you haven't read the list… How will Iraq now get by with the USA funded Arabic version of 'Sesame Street'?!

            • Aureus on 25/03/2025 - 21:44
              +13

              @JimmyF: The USA funded Arabic version of Sesame Street was supported by both sides.

              Being the largest economy in the world, they do things like this because they have a return on investment, just not an easy dollar figure that someone like Trump can understand.

              Providing western books, set in western locations to children in countries high in radical Islamic views is a very good return on investment. The $20 million saved is enough to blow up around 20 Houthi $2000 drones. Yeah Trump/Musk is soooo smart. 🙄

              • dins on 27/03/2025 - 09:57
                -3

                @Aureus: Clearly you are the smart one eh 🤡🤣

        • smartazz104 on 27/03/2025 - 07:08
          +2

          Yeah 'findings'.

        • Purp on 27/03/2025 - 08:17
          -6

          Can't reason with the leftist cult, they go by feelings not facts.

          • Euphemistic on 28/03/2025 - 16:32
            +1

            @Purp: Cant reason with the right wing cult, they go by propaganda not facts.

            It cuts both ways.

            • dins on 30/03/2025 - 10:28
              -1

              @Euphemistic: Yeah it's the right that keeps damaging private property of others just because they are too stupid to figure out that they're being played.

              🤡

              • Euphemistic on 30/03/2025 - 12:26
                +1

                @dins: The right has been played by the billionaires that they will never have anything in common with. Cant see that they are being exploited to line the pickets of those far more wealthy than they deserve to be.

                • dins on 30/03/2025 - 14:49
                  -2

                  @Euphemistic: Aside from Elon and a couple of others rest of those billionaires you speak of are on the left. 🤡

                  Not just the left, the far-left to be precise.

                  They are the ones playing you like a fiddle. You know the ones who lecture you on climate change while they travel the world for fun in their private jets and superyachts. Even worse the ones with god complexes.

                  “I fancied myself as some kind of god … If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.”

                  “It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.”

                  ~ George Soros circa 2004

                  “First, we've got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."

                  ~ Bill Gates during a TED talk in 2010 about reducing carbon emissions to ZERO by 2050 🤡

                  You seriously can't be this clueless. Then again not surprised.

                  • Euphemistic on 30/03/2025 - 15:17
                    +1

                    @dins: Yeah… nah. Bilionaires are largely not left wing, they got where they are because of right wing 'small government', 'trickle down economics' and union busting.

                    • dins on 30/03/2025 - 15:19
                      -1

                      @Euphemistic: That's why I said you are clueless. Thanks for proving my point beyond any doubt.

                      • Euphemistic on 30/03/2025 - 15:20

                        @dins: I would have said you are also clueless, like brainwashed right wingers are.

                        GEorGE sORoS! Give me a break.

      • entropysbane on 26/03/2025 - 12:29
        +4

        You say that like it is a bad thing.
        More seriously, he isn’t actually doing that, that is for the administration to decide what it will do.

        He is identifying waste and plausibly dodgy programs, identifying functions that are duplicative of state processes, and looking at poorly maintained data systems that needed to be cleaned up and modernised. An example being the social security database where some very old people ,have apparently forgotten to die.the database needs better verification and review systems that could be automated.

        Now no doubt there will be some programs that we would argue should be kept and that is a separate conversation.. Such an audit should become on a regular basis rather than let things accrete over the decades.

        • Rysta on 26/03/2025 - 13:06
          +5

          The social security thing is misinformation FYI, it has been thoroughly debunked. Elon's teens just didn't understand the tech.

          • nedski on 26/03/2025 - 15:03
            +3

            @Rysta: COBOL was well before their time.

          • JimmyF on 27/03/2025 - 09:07
            -3

            @Rysta:

            Elon's teens just didn't understand the tech.

            LOL this was debunked as well, they did understand the tech and the database has many people over 120 years old in all ranges up till nearly 200 years old. So it wasn't just the FUD one that they didn't understand cobol and its single year/date issue like claimed.

        • [Deactivated] on 26/03/2025 - 23:47
          +3

          He is identifying waste and plausibly dodgy programs, identifying functions that are duplicative of state processes,

          You're reading biased sources. You read all about how they saved money cutting some irrelevant tiny program or USAID. You don't see the news about experienced specialist staff being sacked arbitrarily. That will cost a lot more in the long run than anything saved.

          Do you think they are saving money when they sack staff at the IRS? Those staff earn a return 10x their salary through audit work.

          • JimmyF on 27/03/2025 - 09:11
            -4

            @[Deactivated]:

            You don't see the news about experienced specialist staff being sacked arbitrarily

            Share some articles then

            Do you think they are saving money when they sack staff at the IRS? Those staff earn a return 10x their salary through audit work.

            You do know how the IRS works in the USA and why there is a return on their salary? If they audit you, they will only stop once they find something. You will be paying 'extra' tax for them to stop auditing.

            It's basically a shakedown by the IRS if you get audited. There is a reason they are so hated.

            The IRS staff stacked had been planned extra staff. The Biden plan to increase tax income was to audit the crap out of the people.

            • [Deactivated] on 27/03/2025 - 09:37
              +4

              @JimmyF: Here's an article you didn't read because you read biased media
              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g3nrx1dq5o

              You do know how the IRS works in the USA and why there is a return on their salary?

              How ironic. You are parroting more ignorant propaganda

              You will be paying 'extra' tax for them to stop auditing.

              Complete fantasy. Do you understand how taxes work?

              You've constructed this fantasy narrative of the working class man being shaken down by the IRS.

              They don't audit everyone. They flag individuals with a high amount of deductions and audit their validity. That means business owners. Wealthy asset owners. Not the ignorant poor that are cheering this on that work salary jobs.

              why there is a return on their salary?

              Because when you audit a 10 million dollar business every week you claw back more false deductions than the cost of your salary.

              It's very obvious you are brainwashed. Up to you if that bothers you.

              • dins on 27/03/2025 - 09:58
                -2

                @[Deactivated]: BBC? Lmao! 🤡

                Talk about being brainwashed.

              • JimmyF on 27/03/2025 - 10:17
                -3

                @[Deactivated]:

                Here's an article you didn't read because you read biased media

                Did you read it? Elon/Doge didn't fire these people. It was part of the gov plans to shrink the government's size. So a widespread move to let all probationary employees go across all departments. So these so called 'experienced specialist' as you claimed, had been in the job less than a year.

                How ironic. You are parroting more ignorant propaganda
                You've constructed this fantasy narrative of the working class man being shaken down by the IRS.

                Views US people expressed for decades way before this point in time. I follow a couple of business people and they talk about how to handle a IRS audit. They all basically say the same thing, if you get audited, don't fight their 'claims' as they won't stop until they find something. The auditor needs a 'win' to go away.

                This basically sums up the IRS at tax time for most people https://www.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/127fhet/meirl/

                Because when you audit a 10 million dollar business every week you claw back more false deductions than the cost of your salary.

                You sure about that? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/irs-audit-eitc-five-times-as-li…

                They are not targeting business, they are targeting verage Americans, you know the ones without the funds to fight back.

                It's very obvious you are brainwashed. Up to you if that bothers you.

                Its funny you think I must be brainwashed as I don't agree with you. Ever thought it might be the other way around?

                Also love how you attack me to claim I'm brainwashed as I don't agree with you, yet I've never attacked you like that. 🤔

                • [Deactivated] on 27/03/2025 - 17:53
                  +4

                  @JimmyF: I claimed you are brainwashed because you only present ideas from one side of the divided politics. You haven't convinced me that you aren't, you just dug deeper with the narrative around the IRS targeting innocent people, they have to 'win'. When you defraud the government are you winning?

                  You are still arguing that it is a good thing IRS auditors are sacked. I thought the entire point was to pay down the government debt? You don't realise it is really about destroying the ability of government to regulate, which benefits the subjects of that regulation- wealthy asset owners.

                  Why do you think billionaires from both sides of politics and the US media are now friendly to the administration?

                  • JimmyF on 27/03/2025 - 18:36
                    -3

                    @[Deactivated]:

                    I claimed you are brainwashed because you only present ideas from one side of the divided politics

                    Your replies also present a one sided view…… So that must mean you're brainwashed based on your own views.

                    you just dug deeper with the narrative around the IRS targeting innocent people

                    I presented an article that confirmed the IRS does target auditing the poor, 5 times the rate of everyone, while you seem to think they only go over $10m companies. Which doesn't seem to be the base.

                    You are still arguing that it is a good thing IRS auditors are sacked

                    Sacking ~6k on a near 100k workforce is hardly going to make a difference. Maybe the poor might get a break finally.

        • Euphemistic on 30/03/2025 - 15:23
          +1

          He is identifying waste and plausibly dodgy programs, identifying functions that are duplicative of state processe

          Hes cutting departments that are actively investigating his dodgy practices.

      • Binchicken22 on 28/03/2025 - 10:24

        Good.

  • chuq on 25/03/2025 - 16:33
    +21

    Don't worry about that guy. Buying or not buying isn't going to matter to him. Tesla vehicle sales could drop to zero, but they've got enough cash in the bank to keep them going for a decade, and grid scale batteries being built all over the world. The stock could drop to $0 and he'd still be the 3rd richest person on earth or something like that.

    Choose a car based on the car.

    My Tesla Model 3 (RWD) is almost three years old - when I bought it, I was choosing between the Model 3, Hyundai Kona and Polestar 2. The other two were more expensive. I considered, should I get one of the others, so people don't think I have an expensive car? I came to my senses and realised how stupid that sounds - spending more money because of being worried about what random people who I don't know think? One of the silliest ideas ever.

    Same applies now. Buy the car based on the car features. You specifically mentioned battery health, for example - Teslas have one of the best battery management systems in the industry. You're not going have to stress about a second hand one.

    They have the ultimate balance in cost, range, and charging speed. There are other cars that are better in one of these, but I've the Model 3 has the best combination of them all.

    The other main plus is their software (navigation, etc. as well as app) - it's all developed in-house. This is a huge plus which isn't often noted when comparing columns of stats between different models. Put in a destination, it will not only tell you the usual navigation info (route, estimated arrival time, etc). but it will accurately tell you how much charge you'll have when you arrive - and if needed, it will tell you where and when to stop to charge and how long each you need to stop there. You get there, you plug in, it starts charging. of course you get access to an excellent charging network as well.

    if some other model has a feature you want (e.g. many have V2L, Tesla doesn't) then sure, that's a rational reason to buy something else. But don't change for an irrational reason.

    • freefall101 on 25/03/2025 - 17:05
      +7

      The other main plus is their software (navigation, etc. as well as app) - it's all developed in-house. This is a huge plus which isn't often noted when comparing columns of stats between different models. Put in a destination, it will not only tell you the usual navigation info (route, estimated arrival time, etc). but it will accurately tell you how much charge you'll have when you arrive - and if needed, it will tell you where and when to stop to charge and how long each you need to stop there. You get there, you plug in, it starts charging. of course you get access to an excellent charging network as well.

      IMO this is the biggest plus. I have an Atto 3, and I remember reading complaints about Tesla's not having CarPlay so figure I'd be better off going BYD. I was wrong. Firstly I didn't know that CarPlay doesn't fully integrate with the car (that was my bad) so you need to ask BYD to turn on the rear defrost but Siri to give directions and play music. There's also that Siri is dumb as a doorknob, I don't know if Android Auto is any better though.

      I'm not able to find a charger while driving either. Last time I tried to do it Siri asked me if I wanted to use a charger in Arizona and the BYD voice app gave me directions to the nearest church. Had to pull over, get out my phone and figure it out.

      The closest charger to my parents place is a Tesla charger, so I always wind up paying the outrageous rates (I'm a terrible child and don't visit them regularly though, so I don't pay it often). If a Tesla plugs in on the same charging bank (i.e. often they're 1A/1B and can take two cars), my car charges a lot slower as it seems to preference the Tesla.

      It's minor niggles, but it adds up. I'm almost at the point of switching to Android because CarPlay annoys me so much.

      • Nalar on 25/03/2025 - 17:09

        Luckily Android phones are are cheap, just get a 2nd had/cheap motorolla with a 12 month data sim and keep it in the car.

        • Jackson on 27/03/2025 - 00:32

          I got around this by just sideloading waze, Spotify and a few other apps on the head unit. Way better than using Android auto IMO

    • rumblytangara on 25/03/2025 - 18:10

      Put in a destination, it will not only tell you the usual navigation info (route, estimated arrival time, etc). but it will accurately tell you how much charge you'll have when you arrive - and if needed, it will tell you where and when to stop to charge and how long each you need to stop there. You get there, you plug in, it starts charging. of course you get access to an excellent charging network as well.

      I've always wondered about how accurate those mileage measurements really are.

      • chuq on 25/03/2025 - 18:49
        +5

        That article is talking about what all EV manufacturers publish - a number which is calculated via a standard test. It's never accurate - for any EV, because of how the test is designed. The intention is so that you can compare vehicles against each other. (Petrol cars have to do similar tests and it's never accurate for those either). The tests don't know if you're driving mostly in the city, on highways, the temperature, the wind, up hills, down hills.

        In my example, the vehicle gathers all kinds of data - your personal efficiency history (e.g. calm driver or leadfoot), elevation of the road you're travelling on, the speed limits on those roads, and live weather data, to give you an accurate number. This number, in my experience, is accurate. I can plot a route at 10pm at night, then the next morning, re-plot the same route and it gives me different numbers, because the temperature is different.

        The site https://ev-database.org/ is great for this - for each car, it has a "real range" section which gives examples under a bunch of different conditions.

        • rumblytangara on 25/03/2025 - 19:46
          -2

          That article is talking about what all EV manufacturers publish - a number which is calculated via a standard test. It's never accurate - for any EV, because of how the test is designed.

          That's not how I read the article.

          Tesla years ago began exaggerating its vehicles’ potential driving distance – by rigging their range-estimating software. The company decided about a decade ago, for marketing purposes, to write algorithms for its range meter that would show drivers “rosy” projections for the distance it could travel on a full battery, according to a person familiar with an early design of the software for its in-dash readouts.

          Then, when the battery fell below 50% of its maximum charge, the algorithm would show drivers more realistic projections for their remaining driving range, this person said. To prevent drivers from getting stranded as their predicted range started declining more quickly, Teslas were designed with a “safety buffer,” allowing about 15 miles (24 km) of additional range even after the dash readout showed an empty battery, the source said.

      • wozz on 26/03/2025 - 16:44
        +1

        Extremely accurate in Tesla. It seems to take into account speed/elevation/ driving style..
        It's always within 1% for me, even if 100km away

  • plmko on 25/03/2025 - 17:06
    +12

    The stock could drop to $0 and he'd still be the 3rd richest person on earth

    He won't because the stock is collateral for margin loans and also coinvesters. A zero scenario would cause a domino effects of sells and destroy the ponzi.

    It's why recently Twitter randomly got revalued at $44billion two weeks ago on zero changes to the business. That was a panic collateral pump.

    • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 19:10
      -2

      on zero changes to the business

      Tell me you don't user twitter aka now X without telling me.

  • DingoBilly on 25/03/2025 - 17:07
    -5

    I wouldn't touch a Tesla even if it wasn't associated with Elon.

    They have terrible build quality and the design with the touch screen is honestly stupid. You'd be much better off with a BYD IMO.

    • Brick50 on 25/03/2025 - 17:20
      +17

      I looked at BYD and other brands and then ended up buying a 4 year old Tesla. It's easy for you to make comments like this without having any experience or knowledge. How many teslas have you owned or inspected? I assume you are just spouting whatever you heard on the news.

      I wanted to buy a BYD, preferred the look and "build quality" but the UI, feel, features & convenience is just not there. I am sure in the future it will be but remember an electric car isn't just about going and stopping which is what most people compare ICE on. But an EV is about charging (access to superchargers or not, I have found that most 3rd party charges have much worse reliability than supercharges), features, convenience, user interface, software etc and I feel like the competition is lacking in this area

      In the future I hope to own a different brand EV but for now the tesla is the best solution out of them all for me.

      • SlickMick on 26/03/2025 - 09:21
        +1

        Is he wrong? I feel that I don't need a test drive to know that I would not want to drive a car from a tablet in the centre of console.

        Maybe it's more price that quality or design, but sales figures seem to indicate that more people agree with @DingoBilly??

        • chuq on 26/03/2025 - 09:28
          +5

          I feel that I don't need a test drive to know that I would not want to drive a car from a tablet in the centre of console.

          So you have zero experience of what is being discussed?

          sales figures seem to indicate that more people agree with @DingoBilly

          The Model 3 and Y were the #1 and #2 selling EVs in Australia last month. Almost doubled from the month before.

          • SlickMick on 26/03/2025 - 09:33

            @chuq:

            So you have zero experience of what is being discussed?

            No, I've made the same decision as @DingoBilly. I bought a Mazda.

            The Model 3 and Y were the #1 and #2 selling EVs in Australia last month.

            This does not concur with the sales stats I'm hearing. Maybe Australia hasn't caught up yet??

            • [Deactivated] on 26/03/2025 - 23:53

              @SlickMick: This is the latest data available (without a subscription). No mention of which EV is the best selling, however sales of EVs are lower than they have been in years. Tesla might be selling more as the market shrinks

              https://www.fcai.com.au/slow-start-for-new-vehicle-sales-in-…

              • SlickMick on 27/03/2025 - 09:09

                @[Deactivated]: What I read is BYD are selling more, but I don't know whether car sites have accurate information.

                Your article makes sense IMO, current EV technology doesn't work for many Australians. The keen city dwellers have thiers already - that market is probably saturated??

                I read that China has the technology to recharge an EV in 5 minutes. That would change the game IMO. Unfortunately, it would also blackout a town whilst charging a car.
                I reckon a mini nuclear station in every major town will sort our baseload energy and EV charging problems.

          • cloudy on 29/03/2025 - 19:10

            @chuq:

            The Model 3 and Y were the #1 and #2 selling EVs in Australia last month. Almost doubled from the month before.

            Hmm, I tried to verify these facts but found it sort of…

            https://www.drive.com.au/news/australian-new-car-sales-in-ja…

            https://www.drive.com.au/news/vfacts-new-vehicle-sales-febru…

            I would also like to note this interesting quote.

            “Sales of electric cars were down 43.8 per cent for the month – and 36.6 per cent year-to-date – led by a 71.9 per cent fall for Tesla.”

            So whilst it’s probably correct to say Tesla out sells other brands, it’s probably not an accurate reflection of reality as car “sales” figures are actually car delivery figures. We will see what Tesla can sell in a few months time. But I suspect the trend of massively falling Tesla sales will continue.

      • Frosty17 on 27/03/2025 - 09:57
        +2

        Yeap, this is it. Tesla might not be the best 'car', but all its features combined in the EV world makes them the best value proposition. The Model 3 highland is an absolute bliss to drive - sure, the interiors and all that is nicer in other cars, but you cannot beat Tesla's software (both in car and phone app, which is amazing), charging and performance for the $. Even though their cars are older now, the software is still leagues ahead of everyone else as a complete package.

        BYD will catch up soon I suspect, but until then….

    • mboy on 25/03/2025 - 17:30
      +14

      I was very interested in the BYD Seal last year - I liked its value proposition on paper and I liked the exterior quite a bit more than the look of the Model 3. I didn’t really like the Seal's interior, but it wasn’t a big deal either.

      Long story short, I took the Seal and Model 3 for a test drive on the same day, and the Model 3 beat out the Seal in almost category. Just felt way more solidly built, well rounded and dynamically felt much more enjoyable to drive.

      @DingoBilly have you actually driven both?

      • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 19:11

        @DingoBilly have you actually driven both?

        Don't be silly, they are just repeating what the media told them….

        • DingoBilly on 25/03/2025 - 21:10

          Yes all that constant media about BYD and Tesla. 🤔

          Some people just need to get off social media and realize that there are other car brands than Tesla and some people do prefer then.

      • DingoBilly on 25/03/2025 - 21:08

        To each their own @mboy.

        I think the drive of Tesla is probably better and more sporty, but otherwise it can (profanity) off. Don't like the looks, and the lack of physical buttons are atrocious. That's just a shitty experience and honestly a downgrade.

        The build quality is also really suspect. Friends in the car industry have personally recommended against them as quality control is poor. Might be better now but for many years it was shit.

        Couple that with Tesla doing an Apple and removing sensors and physical stalks and to me that is telling they're going to keep making their cars worse.

        Some people will pay more for the sporty feel but as a daily driver BYD just feels more chill and normal. It's got an uphill battle though, has to fight people who hate on anything Chinese even if it's very good quality (better imo than Tesla), and the tesla/Elon fanboys who won't accept anything else.

        • mboy on 25/03/2025 - 21:58
          +5

          To each their own @mboy.

          👍

          BYD just feels more chill and normal. It's got an uphill battle though, has to fight people who hate on anything Chinese even if it's very good quality (better imo than Tesla), and the tesla/Elon fanboys who won't accept anything else.

          Look, I'm neither of those things - and neither are most people. I do like my Tesla (I ended up buying it if you hadn't guessed), but I'm definitely not a fanboy. Very simply, if the Seal hadn't disappointed (comparably) in the test drive, it reckon it would be in my garage right now.

        • someone12341 on 26/03/2025 - 02:06
          +1

          I agree with this- Tesla not using LIDAR sensors is very disappointing.

        • chuq on 26/03/2025 - 09:25
          +4

          The build quality is also really suspect.

          Are you getting your info from American news sources? The quality of the cars we get in Australia, from the Shanghai factory, are way better than in the US.

          Friends in the car industry have personally recommended against them

          People who work for other car companies? No issue there.

          has to fight people who hate on anything Chinese

          So behaving exactly like you're doing with Tesla then. But you can't even see it.

      • V2L on 27/03/2025 - 23:57

        opposite for me. I drove RWD MY and BYD SL7. tesla RWD has suspension of a brick, BYD was more comfortable and agile

    • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 19:10

      You'd be much better off with a BYD IMO.

      LOL

  • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 17:42
    +6

    I don't agree with Elon's political views but

    OP's typical reverse engineering elo and trompet propaganda.

  • 87percent on 25/03/2025 - 17:47
    +6

    Just stick a Toyota sticker on the back, people won’t notice

  • brendanm on 25/03/2025 - 19:01
    +5

    Imagine letting politics stop you from buying a car 😂

    I couldn't even name the CEO of the company of any single thing I own, let alone know or care about their views on anything.

    In saying that I wouldn't buy a Tesla anyway.

    • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 19:14
      +4

      Imagine letting politics stop you from buying a car 😂

      Or worst, claiming you won't buy a Tesla as Elon is communist, but would go buy a BYD instead whose CEO is a member of the CCP, a REAL communist.

      • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 19:52
        +1

        There are only five communist men in the whole history: Heraclitus, Spartacus, Thomas More, K. Marx, F. Engels. Even Lenin, Mao, Che, Castro were not communists.

        • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 19:54

          There are only five communist men in the whole history

          Now do communist parties….

          If you think Elon is worse than the CCP, then you're the crazy one.

          • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 19:59
            -1

            @JimmyF: CCP is socialist party within a capitalist market in China. As opposed to elo and trompet It is not fascist, or neo-nazi.
            Capitalism and imperialism have created their own non-exist so called communism an you live in that obsession.

            • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 20:09
              -1

              @[Deactivated]:

              CCP is socialist party within a capitalist market in China

              LOL so the CCP aka Chinese Communist Party, is really a socialist party…. So are they now referred to as the CSP then?

              As opposed to elo and trompet It is not fascist, or neo-nazi.

              Oh please, Elon or Trump are not that. Stop believing the dribble.

              • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 20:15
                +2

                @JimmyF: Hitler's party's name was national socialist party= fascist. Names not much of importance. It is obvious that you do don't have enough intellectual level to discuss these concepts, so I stop there and good luck with your illusional world, elo and trompet.

                • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 20:21
                  -1

                  @[Deactivated]: Oh it is obvious that you're from the CCP motherland…. Carry on. CCP good…. West bad.

                  • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 20:27
                    +1

                    @JimmyF: Nope, Euro Australian. You are happy now!

                    • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 20:39
                      -4

                      @[Deactivated]: Euro… nuff said, all Elon/Trump haters.

                      • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 20:51
                        +3

                        @JimmyF: Well for sure I am not one of their bootlickers here! Those two neo-nazi fascist kroks applied on our Ozi steel etc heavy tariff.

            • entropysbane on 26/03/2025 - 12:36

              @[Deactivated]: I think controlling the means of production with politically favoured corporates instead of a communist owning the means of production is in fact the very definition of fascism.

              • Kim DArcy on 27/03/2025 - 17:42

                @entropysbane: China is a lot closer to fascist than anything else. And much more fascist than the US.

                But honestly I don't think that anyone who uses communist or fascist as insults knows what they actually mean.

            • dins on 27/03/2025 - 11:40
              -1

              @[Deactivated]: That makes a lot of sense. 🤡

  • c64 on 25/03/2025 - 19:18
    -5

    the resale value is going to be extremely poor when you try to sell it

    • JimmyF on 25/03/2025 - 19:54

      LOL like any car goes up in value when you sell it. It isn't 2020 anymore.

  • vorsprung on 25/03/2025 - 20:16
    +7

    If you're that worried about supporting Elon, then don't buy a Tesla.

    You buying a used Tesla means that the second hand supply is reduced. Combined with you and thousands of others, this drives up the 2nd hand price which ultimately helps Tesla and Elon as the majority shareholder. As the second hand price gets higher, more people will consider new and thus the more new sales can be made.

    In the grand scheme of things your individual purchase is a drop in the ocean. Then again, that's like saying "I'm not gonna vote because my one vote won't matter".

    If you want it, buy it. If you're going to wake up in cold sweats in the middle of the night because you've supported Elon, then don't.

  • Spookware on 25/03/2025 - 21:37
    +2

    "Is buying second hand just as bad as buying new when it comes to supporting muskies ideals."

    Yet to find a lefty who can articulate this position.

    • [Deactivated] on 25/03/2025 - 22:09
      +1

      In Das Kapital K. Marx has already articulated it i.e. recirculation of and replacing the used items.
      Seller of original second-hand car owner will most likely buy a new up model or upgraded same car. The new owner of second-hand car will probably have to replace more parts than new one. Both cases will support elo.

      • Spookware on 25/03/2025 - 23:54
        +4

        " muskies ideals."

        Doges topic, writes rubbish, hits reply

  • mattyman on 26/03/2025 - 07:20
    +6

    I wouldn't.
    I'm not sure that Tesla is going to be viable as a company for much longer.
    The current anti-Elon sentiment added to the saturation of the EV market from China and Tesla is going to be introuble
    FSD is a feature that has been over promised and under delivered. It will only happen when Tesla add Lidar to their vehicles for proper object detection. BYD has announced that they are doing this.

    About the only thing going for Tesla, is that Elon has Trump's favour. How long will it last with Tesla stocks tanking and Elon's wealth with it?

    Countries have started hitting back at the US with their own tarifs. Some singling out Tesla.

    I wouldn't risk it. If you need repairs, you're likely to have a bad time with either unavailable or overpriced parts.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/03/2025 - 07:45

      FSD without lidar will eventually be achieved with enough data. That data collection is happening every day as the beta testers (tesla drivers) continually upload training data to Tesla.

      It might take 5 years, it might take 10 years.

      It will be worth a lot to Tesla to be the only car company that can build a FSD car without lidar, they will have a lower cost of manufacturing than anyone else in the industry. Their end goal is to dominate the taxi industry.

      • WhyAmICommenting on 27/03/2025 - 23:04
        +1

        The data gained probably doesn’t include understanding a painting vs reality, which is a slight concern.

      • someone12341 on 28/03/2025 - 01:58
        +2

        The issue is LIDAR provides depth of field information that I'm not sure camera only can do. If not LIDAR then RADAR would be the alternative- the question is would Tesla ever do either option as Musk seems fully committed to camera only tech.

  • Jared17 on 26/03/2025 - 09:04
    +2

    Just the Xiaomi SU7. Even the Ford ceo was blown away by it.

  • pogichinoy on 26/03/2025 - 12:04
    +2

    Go for it.

    I've seen two 2021/22 model 3s sell for $27k and $28k within the last month on Marketplace in NSW.

    • Frosty17 on 27/03/2025 - 09:59
      +3

      I've heard the suspension in older models are very bad, do research to make sure you get a year with improved suspension on the M3s

  • altitudinous on 26/03/2025 - 12:13

    Cars are almost always a terrible investment unless you are buying Ferrari etc. The advantage in buying diesel or petrol vehicles as opposed to electric vehicles is you will at least get something within cooee of what you paid when you sell, the bottom is likely to drop right out of the used electric Tesla market - and BYD etc for that matter due to battery and technology degradation etc. So they are good value to buy but you are burning cash the longer you keep them. At least a petrol or diesel is always going to have some value, I think a used Tesla or BYD will eventually have zero value like a used iPhone - and the battery component of the vehicle when spent is a terrible thing to have in the environment whilst a spent diesel or petrol vehicle is just metal and can be crushed.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/03/2025 - 07:47

      You are using the past to predict the future, based on things repeating that will not repeat. The 200k model S isn't the only viable electric car anymore. If you buy a 60k Tesla it isn't going to drop to 10k in 5 years.

      Competition and cheaper new EVs mean used cars are worth less, you aren't protected because you bought a 60k ICE vehicle instead

      • derrida derider on 27/03/2025 - 09:46
        +2

        And worldwide ever cheaper and better EVs are already a major cause of faster depreciation in ICE cars too as people buy fewer of them. The number of ICE cars sold worldwide FELL by 7% in 2024 - something those claiming the EV transition has stalled ignore. Not everywhere is the US or Australia but even laggards like those will soon find this out.

        Battery degradation has shown itself to be a non-issue for anyone who has actually been paying attention to the secondhand market for any EV built after about 2020; it is already clear the rest of the car will wear out before the battery dies. Today's EVs are no longer 2015 LEAFs.

    • radradrobotank on 27/03/2025 - 20:14

      I think it is much more likely the bottom will fall out of the ICE market next. I can't see ICE competing except within a few niche use cases with sub $40 000 electric cars.

      • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 20:19
        +1

        Unless battery and motor tech changes massively then internal combustion engines are here to stay. There just isn't enough rare earth metals on the planet to provide batteries and motors for EVs to replace the majority of the world's automobiles. And that's not even considering how those batteries get recharged.

        • radradrobotank on 27/03/2025 - 21:47
          +3

          Battery tech has already changed. There is no cobalt in the LFP battery in my car for example. There are many ways to solve the extra demands on the grid from electric cars, including using batteries.

  • CalmLemons on 26/03/2025 - 12:22
    +4

    You may find the majority of australians aren't political fanatics or red necks and we don't need to associate inaminate objects with our political beliefs.

    in a nutshell you don't get people in australia who jump up and down thinking driving a tesla means you're a tesla associated nazi.

    It'll be fine. If the prices go down all the better for us in australia whilst the rest of the world fights each other over their

    • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 20:20

      whilst the rest of the world fights each other over their

      …over their what? What will they be fighting over?

      • CalmLemons on 27/03/2025 - 23:18

        over their varying political views or dogmatic beliefs

  • McFly on 26/03/2025 - 12:54
    +6

    Remember when Musk was the darling of the Left, saving the world one electric car at a time?

  • haemolysis on 26/03/2025 - 13:02
    +3

    Personally, I do not think it would stop me buying a Tesla, but it might make me double-check the insurance is appropriately covered.

    The risk of being targeted seems low. But even a low risk is bigger than none!

    • tenpercent on 27/03/2025 - 20:21

      There's a non-zero risk of an asteroid totalling your car. Probably not covered under your current insurance policy though.

      • haemolysis on 28/03/2025 - 00:31

        Maybe, but do you really have a point?

        Vandalism is a little more common, and, sometimes covered under some policies. It’s nothing like an asteroid lol.

        • tenpercent on 28/03/2025 - 10:18

          Vandalism is a little more common…It’s nothing like an asteroid

          Then they're not doing vandalism properly.

  • wetsandwich on 26/03/2025 - 13:42
    -4

    Other people's opinions would not concern me if it's the car I wanted.

    Imagine supporting China as an alternative car manufacturer, knowing that they actually kill political dissidents. I mean, politely disappear them and their entire family.. allegedly.

    Leftists have no virtue other than what the Current Thing tells them. Otherwise they would have much better targets than musk.

    And no, I don't particularly support him nor have any car at all myself.

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