What should you do if you are subjected to managed-out tactics by employer.. it's only subtle at this point.
Managed-out Tactics by Employer
AndyRates on 31/03/2025 - 13:59
Last edited 01/04/2025 - 18:19
Last edited 01/04/2025 - 18:19
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Need more context. Managing out is also a way to deal with shit staff that underperform but not to the extent they can be easily fired. So from what you wrote impossible to tell if problem is them or you.
Are you sure that it is not actually a you problem?
A lot of people get really offended when their manager tells them that they need to actually do their job, not just turn up.
It can be brutal. There was this one time the part owner yelled "sign the paper!!" Or some subordinate banging loudly at your desk.
They sound frustrated with your performance or lack thereof.
yep, I suspect only viable tactic is quit and move on to the next
suckeremployer that will have him@AndyRates: "I am always that person not able to meet KPIs or that not delivering by putting in 110% effort - generally not putting the overtime and effort to make sure no mistakes."
No offence, but being you own boss doesn’t sound compatible with your work ethic.
@BrodensNephew: Don't talk him out of it, imagine the future "I run my own business and I'm underperforming so I need to manage myself out" post
@Crow K: Oh please do talk him out if it!
Do you really want to luck in on this person being his own tradie or such? You know, the type that requires 20% deposit upfront, promises to turn up on Monday at 8am and have the job done by noon. Come Thursday, he finally returns your 15th call/message and says "<random excuse>, will be there first thing tomorrow", turns up on Friday arvo, puts a hole in the roof and says he's missing something and will be back in 30 minutes. Calls back 2 hours later, saying he can't make it back today, but will be back later next week….
It's better if people like that move from job to job where the responsibility is minimal and there are other people to pick up the slack. It sucks, but even people like that need a job so they can feed themselves. You just don't want them in a position of responsibility or where they are the single point of failure.
@AndyRates: absolutely, but if your own rules allow employees to make mistakes and underperform I suspect you won't be in business long.
@AndyRates: Great idea and based on your work history you will fire yourself within 3 months. You can set up your own redundancy package, Full salary plus Super for 1 year per month of work.
@TimSubaru: Negotiate a release with 1 year of pay. That's a good idea threaten lawyers and fair work see if management is scared.
I've noticed that these things tend to happen when management is comfortable. When they are in a crisis, they want all hands on board
So, should an accident happen, something that takes weeks to resolve, your impending firing might be put off. And then if another crisis happens, it will be put off a little more. Eventually you get forgotten
Until it becomes evident that a certain person is sabotaging the organisation, lawyers get involved and shit really hits the fan.
What sort of crises?
It seems like you might need to do some introspection here, as you have repeatedly been fired or managed out.
This just doesn't happen so often for decent, no-nonsense employees.
I've been the bad employee in the past, but then I hit my mid-20's and realised I had to just man up and build my own future, which you can't do if you're unemployed every 6 months and stuck with the worst employers who will take you..
From your work history we know this isnt the first time. Do you honesty not know why they do this to you?
If not be upfront with your boss , say you can see the signs of tactical managing out and that youd like to get some honest feedback and also a referee letter of your good attributes to try and fine a new job . Tell them this is easier than them having to trump up half baked ideas to move u on.
2 way street, start playing ball get go back at them in ways not to be fired but strategically.
You really want to stay there if they don't want you?
You have better things to do with your life…. find somewhere else to work.
just find another job.
And the more they hate you/think you're underperforming the better review you would get.
Not saying the next example applies to you but had a colleague in another team in my ex workplace. Just watched YouTube all day and was performance managed.
The manager straight up lied to the prospective employer. Think about it - they'll give you a decent reference just so they can get rid of you without doing the paperwork. The manager told us later on at a Friday after work drinks session but we all thought it was funny at the time.
Regardless of how you got here just apply for a new role.
What do you mean managed-out?
If you mean towards a redundancy payout, that is great!
If it is trying to get you to quit or go on a performance improvement plan, here is what you do.
- Do the strict minimum at work to not get fired.
- Document everything you do daily in a diary.
- Interview until you get a better job.
Then on your notice period completely slack off and do nothing. If they call or want help after you leave, ignore them.
PIP = Paid Interview Period
My girlfriend survived the company trying to manage her out (using a PIP), she still did the above and left them totally in the lurch. Felt great! business is now in administration too.
PIP = Paid Interview Period
Umm what? That's a performance improvement plan…
It's a joke because if you are on a PIP, pretty much you just end up out the door.
So the commenter is essentially saying slack off, do nothing and since they are going to fire you anyways, make their lives miserable.
Yeah exactly.
My girlfriend only didn't get fired because she put up a fight and her manager wasn't able to present evidence supporting their claims about under performance. HR said continuing the PIP was a bad idea and that it should be dropped.
Still the damage was done and she left for a better employer.
A PIP also kills any chance of payrises among other things so why stick around for that?
Righteo, get it now…
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Everyone should be doing this if they're not paid overtime or otherwise treated really well.