What should you do if you are subjected to managed-out tactics by employer.. it's only subtle at this point.
Managed-out Tactics by Employer
AndyRates on 31/03/2025 - 13:59
Last edited 01/04/2025 - 18:19
Last edited 01/04/2025 - 18:19
Poll Options
- 61. call the bikies?
- 62. call fair work commission?
- 1503. find a new a job?
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join a union
CFMEU ?
throuple?
CFMEU would simply throw you over the balcony, they wouldn't manage you out subtly
Throwing you over the balcony was them being subtle, no?
Are you a member?
@Dreamcast: I'm not a member of a union.
But you claim it is better, so I'm assuming you are talking from experience.
@Dreamcast: LOL brilliant call.
Also you're right, JV doesn't stay out of politics and commented a lot on the genocide of Palestinians in a thread some time ago
(fun fact - there is a genocide).
That's expensive and risky, engaging your union isn't. You should really tell us an example so we can help you decide if you're actually being mistreated or just arent a good fit
Union help is a lot better than a lawyer, a few things to know:
-lawyers are expensive, and fair work usually has a limit of 6 months pay as a maximum compensation for the employee
-the average fair work pay out order is 7 weeks, way less than the 26 week maximum
-you will burn through that money with a lawyer very fast, and basically make nothing or losing money
-the company you are with doesn't really care, it's a number game to them, and if they are big company they are happy to spend money to crush the little guyOn the other hand if you are part of a union:
-they will help you out basically for free, especially if they are interested in the case or you have been a member for a while
-the union should be much more familiar with your exact circumstances than some rando lawyer, especially if you are a big org and they have someone on site
-you won't get slugged lawyer fees
-if they are really interested in the case and/or think it's winnable they might allocate an industrial officer and eventually a lawyer to your issue
-when you win, the union can take that knowledge and help othersit's a no brainer to join the union
it's a no brainer to join the union
depends on the union…
some are no better than criminals…
Says every under performing staff member ever.
Na we are furniture. Not expendable
The only thing worse than unions is not having unions. The idea that employers are just going to maintain the rights that unions had to fight for without any incentive is ludicrous. I'll forgive a couple of long lunches in exchange for being able to go home safely at the end of the day.
Too late for that. Union will likely claim pre-existing issue and will not be able to provide assistance.
They've already got bikies as an option
Look for another job lol
Jokes aside but this is usually the best course of action.
Life’s too short to stick around where you’re unwanted, esp if you’re a half-decent employee.Although this is true, on multiple occassions I've left great jobs then not long after the supervisor that spoilt eveything left… if I'd just sucked it up a bit longer…
This is very true, A lot of times its the manager thats the issue and not the people above him who just hear what he says but not the actual facts. Then over time, everyone learns the truth about the manager and the manager has to leave. Join the union is definitely no.1
A lot of people don't leave the company,…they leave their manager
Yes, happened to me too.
But one never knows when their awful manager would leave, so best to jump ship anyway.The two events probably weren't unrelated. Has you stayed and put up with it the supervisor may have been rewarded and stayed longer.
Managed out tactics
What does that mean?
I think they are basketball terms.
Gotcha. That makes more sense. Cheers
It means they do things to get you to resign rather than just fire you or make you redundant, typically to save money on any pay outs.
Also to get rid of shit employees.
Do you really want to work for a company that pulls this kind of shit? This is one of the most petty and pathetic ways managers deal with people when often the problem is the manager.
Cross your i's and dot your T's keep a record or every bullshit thing they bring up. Dates, times and who said it. You may have a case for workplace harrassment, but honestly, just look for somewhere else that isn't so pathetic to work for.
Let them. And collect redundancy, it's great.
I just googled it. It's when an employee makes your life difficult on purpose so that you just resign and they don't have to pay you out.
Why is an employee paying out an employer?
I would say an employee making the employer fire him/herself is a pretty impressive skill.
Tell me you've never worked for a large org without telling me…
You only get redundancy if the role itself is removed from the org. "Managing out" is the act of placing people on (often unrealistic) performance plans with KPIs. If they continually don't meet those KPIs then it gives an org the right to fire you without repercussion.
Gunna need an example
How confident are you that you’re performing?
subjected to managed out tactics
Asking you to do work does not count :p
Maybe op is a terrible employee who takes extended breaks, doesn't meet deadlines, spends too much time doing online shopping, is a consistent HR nightmare, bad mouths his employer. We don't know this person from a bar of soap.
OP is not my alt account!
Thanks for the clarification and raising suspicion
Ruthless
spends too much time doing online shopping
That's 99% of ozbargain
I'm "Working" now reading this :P
In some ways … kinda agree.
Without speaking about OP's exact case scenario.There are several ppl in my current workplace who don't pull their own weight - (but manager is too busy trying to smooth over relations with suppliers/contacts) - yet ppl seem to get away with bludging.
And my pet peeve == mobile phone use + even watching YouTube videos while driving plant equipment.
I best not get started.
@AndyRates Did you post this on company time?
Maybe.
Maybe you are responsible for me all those times everyone here has stubbed their toe. Maybe, by some chain of events that we can't conceive of by our current understanding of the universe, your very presence in this world causes the incidences of stubbed toes to skyrocket.
Until we can rule that out, should we really be listening to your opinion? I think not.
I know my bar of soap and it wouldn't do those things.
Indeed -
Recruiting and training people costs a lot of money. It's an employee's market right now, hard to find good people. They won't be trying to get rid of you for no reason. People don't want to do that. Unless the manager really just is a bad fit for their role / bad personality, you have to be not performing or the business failing to be "managed out".I think the very fact OP doesn't have any poll options that involve OP having a look in the mirror, having a mature conversation with the manager and find out what areas there are for improvement etc makes me think there's probably a likely reason OP is being managed out and they aren't even keen to look at it that way.
If you are any sort of decent employee, you should be asking what you can do for your team, looking at your performance, working out how to work more productively with this manager instead of having an attitude problem.If your immediate reaction is, this guy is trying to get rid of me, maybe I should call the bikies, or fair work …. you are most likely the problem. Why not have a conversation and reflect about it first with an open mind for constructive criticism. It's likely the relationship will take a step in the right direction, or it may blow up or result in a mutual decision about stepping down, or just setting goals or areas to improve, and the manager will think you are trying to make an effort so will likely back off… however at least you'll have a better idea of where you stand and why.
I'd hate to think I am only still being employed because the employer is afraid of the consequences of firing me….Once when I was young, I had a conversation with my manager whereby I found out my part-time irregular hours were a problem for him and the growth in the business where I couldn't take on the extra work they had coming in for my role - he asked me if I could increase my hours to full time and make a commitment to stay longer term with more training courses paid for as well to make a higher career out of it - I said I couldn't due to study commitments and aim for a different long-term career when I graduated university. So he respectfully discussed his needs and me mine, then we mutually agreed I would stay for a few months and work alongside and train a newstarter once he recruited a full-time staff member I'd have to be replaced by. So that's what I did. A part-time experienced person and a full time newstarter met the business' needs until I was no longer required and I voluntarily walked. In the interim I had opportunity to line up alternative work through one of his contacts part-time elsewhere. Then years later in my career I was invited back to work where I started in a much higher paid position for the same original manager in my new career path I was then qualified for full-time, as his business had grown by then to need a new position in the area I ultimately wanted to do long term!
Build bridges, don't burn them, be respectful to employers, you should be an asset to them, and it will be mutually respected. If you aren't valued or it isn't working, then go where you are - there are other opportunities.
remember PIP stands for
paid interview periodOP certainly moves around a bit.
If you smell sh*t everywhere you walk, the best place to check is under your shoe…
We know, we can see your post history
Also OP
Na we are furniture. Not expendable
I come and go to jobs - never been fired in 25 odd years of working.
I am always that person not able to meet KPIs or that not delivering by putting in 110% effort - generally not putting the overtime and effort to make sure no mistakes.
There is a common theme here for sure.
You got fired
I've heard Taylor Swift songs with less antihero vibes.
Two options:
Get better at your job.
seek.com
Get everything you can out of them before you go. In particular use up all your sick leave. Forward any evidence to a personal email while you still can, this can be useful later. Delete/dispose of anything that may be useful to them once you're gone. Collect redundancy money and relax.
Get everything you can out of them before you go
You mean sticky notes and pens, right?
Grab a few toilet rolls from the bathroom and some bandaids from the first aid cabinet also.
I work for the government, so I bring in high quality toilet rolls and just swap it out for the half ply. It confuses the shit out of people.
Batteries
Don't forget the tea bags and coffee. 🍵 ☕.
And bring a ziploc bag for the Milo.
…and highlighters, bulldog clips, pins.
Delete/dispose of anything that may be useful to them once you're gone
Ever heard of backups?
I'm talking about things that you personally made that makes your job easier such as a spreadsheet that quickly calculates a bunch of stuff or reference material that you collected.
If you've already put it into a common workspace then it's too late.
I mean, it would be too late anyway because it's not his stuff he would be deleting, he's deleting work files?
Straight to Win Stupid Prizes folder
I'm talking about things that you personally made that makes your job easier
If it was stored anywhere but your own computer, then it has a backup…. :)
What industry are you in?
HR
Here's the secret, once you know you're doomed put in 50% effort (if not already). Basically an immediate payrise.
Look for another job and get out of there. It's not worth hanging around, they WILL find a way to get out of paying redundancy so don't stick around with the hopes of scoring something there. They'll performance manage you then sack you.
sounds good until you need a reference or the new job checks. Difference between "yeah he did his job but just wasn't a good fit" to "sorry I can't recommend him, he massively underperformed here and seemed he had no interest in working".
Lol, never use your immediately previous boss for a reference.
They don't need to manage you out if you've been there less than 6 months, they can just fire you.
Are you sure they're not giving you a chance to prove yourself and you're just not meeting expectations?
look for another job while still working there - all while only putting in only minimum effort.
work to rule … 8 hours each day, no unpaid OT - and most importantly, stop responding to emails/phone-calls outside of work hours.have had it happen to myself + seen it happen to others over the years.
Once you are in that position … there's no point really fighting it (unless there's a change in manager directly above you - which does happen on occasion too).With regards to myself (2011) - I ended up landing another job, with almost twice the pay for similar work … so last laugh was on my previous employer - (they then ended up insolvent afew years after that too, before finally selling the family run business).
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Hard to say without knowing specifics… join a union if you haven't already. Document all your work and evidence around the issue as you go, don't rely on their honesty