Time to Go Back to Gold over USD?

The volatility stemming from President Trump's words and tweets has reached unprecedented levels. His approach to trade policy seems to oscillate between bluffing, irrationality, or something more concerning—perhaps all of the above.

Recently, President Trump announced a temporary pause on most tariffs, excluding those targeting China. This decision triggered a dramatic rally in U.S. stock markets, with the S&P 500 experiencing its largest single-day gain since 2008 and the Dow Jones surging nearly 3,000 points. While this tariff pause has eased global trade tensions and boosted investor confidence, particularly in sectors like technology and retail, the pause is temporary. Tariffs on China have been raised to 125%, leaving long-term trade relations shrouded in uncertainty.

The U.S. NASDAQ rose 12.16% during the 90-day freeze, underscoring the immense influence wielded by one individual. President Trump isn't just the leader of the United States; he has become a pivotal force in shaping global economic dynamics.

This raises a critical question: how has one nation—and one man—come to hold such sway over the world? Is it the pervasive influence of American culture, amplified by Hollywood, or are we all merely participants in a larger geopolitical narrative? Australia, as a smaller player, feels the weight of this influence, but even the EU and much of Asia—representing ~70% of the world's population—seem to be grappling with the same reality.

Perhaps it's time to reconsider the USD as the world's central currency. The idea of returning to gold as a neutral global currency is compelling, as is exploring alternatives like Bitcoin. While no currency is perfect, the dominance of the USD appears increasingly untenable. A shift to a more balanced and impartial system could help mitigate the outsized power of any single nation—or individual—over global affairs.

ill also note Trump posted just before the trarriff policy 'change' 'it is a great time to buy U.S stocks on truth social which is 'openly' insider trading i mean f—k me TESLA is up 22% i mean we arent even hiding insider trading anymore…..i welcome the rally but this is something you would expect in GTA V not the 'real world'

Poll Options

  • 4
    Keep USD as the world central currency
  • 17
    Bring back Gold (or Something else ie BTC)
  • 44
    Lay off the drink Trying2saveabuck

Comments

  • +4

    tip
    make friends with trump inner circle
    then you know when annoucmeents are and what they are
    $$$

    • +2

      tip
      make friends with trump inner circle

      and go down with the ship?

      • I think he is suggesting insider trading. That's what I took from it anyway.

        • +1

          They will all go down…

          Firstly, Trump will take them down himself, the rest when Trump is taken down.

      • I think you're supposed to wait until you're on the island to do that

    • +2

      He posted on truth social saying buy today before pausing tariffs

      • Anyone took him seriously tho?

        • Yeah, then US markets soared and we followed. Trump was right about yesterday up until his backflip at 1.18pm US ET. The next hour was golden for taking profits and ditching all my US holdings without loss. Because it is still going to be volatile and buying atm is crazy IMHO. Here even CBA went close to it’s recent crazy highs.

          • @bbinc: Wow, nice move. Doesn't really follow Trump news. What back flip he did this time? Thanks

            • @Bargain-er: The tariff on off maybe switch again. I spend too much time watching what he’s doing and deep diving down crazy rabbit holes, but the people t watch are the advisors like Scott Bessent (Treasury) who actually knows what he is doing but holding his cards close, and the project 2025 people. The aim is not the sugary things Trump claims to want, but the reduction of US debt, ie. govt bonds. It’s too complex for a mere observer like me.
              As Netjock says below - US is now amarket for insiders. I saw a moment to escape in the turmoil with minimal damage and did it. Feels good and could buy back at a profit but simple logic doesn’t apply in htis game!

              • @bbinc: I agree… The swing is too crazy. It is pure gambling at this point… Was lucky to offload 60% 6 months ago. But dunno how or when to jump back now…

  • +19

    Deeply unserious government.
    Treating international relations like a highschool friend group drama.
    Burning decades of hard won credibility for zero result except to be a feature of the news cycle.
    Kids playing with matches have more of a clue.

    • agreed!

    • +1

      It’s like 32D chess man, you wouldn’t get it…

    • +2

      New crazy tarrifs
      The orange president man
      The world is laughing

    • +1

      Watch out for their default on their debt (US bonds).

      • +1

        The USA won't ever need to default on their bonds, they are issued in USD. If they have difficulty meeting payments they will just use quantitative easing measures to get the Fed to buy any required amount.
        This will hurt the USD and existing bondholders, but arguably cause less damage than 145% tariffs!
        In any case, the US has already shown they are a horse loose in a hospital, so effectively defaulting on bonds is definitely a risk.

  • +2

    Gold is already considered a tier 1 asset for central banks (since Bassel III), along with the USD still (for now).
    I think the "larger geopolitical narrative" is just playing out in a move towards no singular 'world reserve currency' and achieving the multipolar world order all the elites love to talk about at Davos, the UN and elsewhere. This necessarily requires the US to be taken down a peg and made economically weaker and less important on a global level. Trump I believe is a puppet to initiate this weakening.
    Gold will never become a reserve currency, perhaps it will be the only tier 1 reserve asset, but I don't even think any country will back their currency by gold - debt based money is a far more profitable model for those with power and wealth.

    • Gold is already considered a tier 1 asset for central banks (since Bassel III)

      This.
      Basel III makes physical (allocated) gold a tier 1 asset. Paper (unallocated) gold is not.
      It's no coincidence that the bulk of gold purchases lately has been by central banks.

    • +1

      It used to be the "Gold Standard"…🤔

  • Buy gold bullion

    • -1

      For anyone not sure what OP means you can buy GOLD.ASX which trades the gold price

      • -1

        If you don't know what I mean you have no business buying anything on an exchange

      • +2

        yes, buy more paper gold and see what happens

        • bitgold ???

        • -1

          yes, buy more paper gold and see what happens

          buying the physica gold is probably more risky with all those home invasions lol

          • +1

            @Trying2SaveABuck: There are bullion depositories who will keep it in their vaults for you for a fee.

            • +2

              @tenpercent: If they are in the US good luck getting your hands on it. Some super expert Trump adviser will suggest to him he puts an export tax on gold.

              • @bbinc: There's several in Australia, most capital cities have one or more options.

  • +4

    Kicking the can down the road for 90 days. This is a market for traders and insiders. Keep out.

    • It's always a market for insiders.

  • The time was 3-6 months ago …

    • What do you mean?

      • +1

        You are buying after substantial gains, so not optimal for gold, although it will hit $4k by the end of this year ..

        Also, following Buffet, converted most assets to cash and gold …

        Trump needs the indices on the markets to drop 20-30% total to re-finance the national debt to 0% so he can get rid of income tax below $150k
        (so there will be more volatility and more drops)

        All predicted in a 4-chan finance post - it's already come half true (and I have personally benefitted from whatever people want to call a conspiracy)

        • Trump needs the indices on the markets to drop 20-30% total to re-finance the national debt to 0%

          Do you mean share market indices? And why does he need it to drop in order to re-finance the national debt?
          Has he promised no income tax below $150k?

          Can you share the 4chan post?

    • +3

      You mean you didn't buy bullion in 2001 when y2k was avoided and gold was $300oz?

  • +2
    • +2

      when you're wrong your wrong - looks like i was wrong

      • +4

        I think probably the best thing you can do is reflect on your own biases and completely distrust your judgment for the foreseeable future.

        Trump is doing exactly what he promised he would do.

        • -2

          You cant have personal bias when you are open to admit you are wrong my question to you have you ever said 'shit i was wrong?' or have you always played defence and got entrenched in your position? -

          Trump said he was Tarriff China and a few other nations that had Tarriffs on them he never said he was going to have an issue with eco-system and biosecurity laws to protect wild life and ecosystems of nations he also never said he was going to re-negotiate about 30 years of trade treaties that take months to build in an afternoon

          • +8

            @Trying2SaveABuck: Your historical revisionism is difficult in the modern internet age. He proposed universal tariffs: https://taxfoundation.org/research/federal-tax/2024-tax-plan…

            He proposed tariffs high enough to replace income taxes. You can't do that by only imposing tariffs on China. You can't do it at all, but you certainly can't do it just by doing it on China "and a few other nations".

            You are trying to pretend he's going beyond because you're embarrassed you fell for a snake-oil salesman.

            But it won't fly.

            He is doing exactly what he said he would. Own that you either looked past what he was saying because of personal biases or that you supported exactly this outcome.

            • -6

              @wtfisgoingon:

              You are trying to pretend he's going beyond because you're embarrassed you fell for a snake-oil salesman.

              im not embarrassed by anything ultimately i dont care - what i do care about is my own $$$ the difference btw me and most others i got no pride when it comes to 'being right or wrong' to me being right is if you improve your wealth $$$ everything else is bullshit esp on the internet everyone here will take the moral high ground on loads of issues but when it is their money on the line to fix or change issues they dont wanna get involved - to me humans are all full of s—t unless it affects their back pocket

              Trump statiscally did 1 in 10 things he said he would on his 1st term - the fact he is doing almost everything and more is what is shocking me most….

              • +2

                @Trying2SaveABuck: You should use this opportunity to engage in a little introspection and think about whether your entire worldview is wrong.

                Because you fell for this madman. You fell hook, line and sinker. Think about where else you might be letting your own biases blind you to reality.

                • -5

                  @wtfisgoingon:

                  Because you fell for this madman. You fell hook, line and sinker. Think about where else you might be letting your own biases blind you to reality.

                  not really i still dont Biden/Harris was a better option although i admit it is looking bad with Trump he deserves to have his term before you re-assess anything

                  my question to you was when Biden was clearly mentally incapable of running the country did you 'reassess' your position or did you let YOUR personal bias cloud your judgement because i know the answer to that and so do you (but you're too embarressed to admit it and that it the difference between us)

                  • +3

                    @Trying2SaveABuck: Your assumption I support Biden as a person is wrong. I am furious that he tried to run again. He should have stepped back and let the Democrats run a primary and put someone up. It was an act of supreme arrogance and frankly unforgiveable. Harris was a weak candidate. I wanted Josh Shapiro.

                    Having said that, Biden was not mad. He let the government run. He was mostly an empty seat, which is bad but not nearly as bad as the chaos we're seeing now. He was a mediocre president, and I support that over this chaos and bedlam. Harris would have been the same. Mediocre, but not dangerous.

                    My personal biases do affect things. Undoubtedly. But my biases have never led to anything close to as embarrassing as thinking the moron in charge of America is better than who he was running against. It flies in the face of every observable fact.

                    • -5

                      @wtfisgoingon:

                      My personal biases do affect things. Undoubtedly. But my biases have never led to anything close to as embarrassing as thinking the moron in charge of America is better than who he was running against. It flies in the face of every observable fact.

                      this sounds like bias, his trade Policy is insane (so far) but there are a lot of things Trump has done or trying to do that are right - the biggest ones are trying to broker peace in Europe, Reduce Military spending/Aid on foreign nations and protect biological women in sport, getting rid of USAIDS which was a giant scam etc

                      difference btw you and I is i dont support politics like a Football team - i will call out bad decisions and pure stupidity (ie the Voice, Australian French Subs deal, Net Zero etc)

                      I always use the example - i thought Turnbull was going to be a 'good leader' because of his private sector success but he turned out to probably be one of the worse leaders of your time, as he made multiple poor decisions - if you dont have a political opinion about leaders that changes for better and worse then i dare say you need to have a 'good hard' look at yourself because your closer to a cult then a free thinking voter/citizen

                      I also use the example of Julia Gillard who a lot of people gave a hard time (some of it warrented) but she probably the best leader the ALP had since Hawk

                      Many years ago i didnt mind the Greens party and their aim to keep the majors honest but in the last decade under Adam Bandt they have become the most evil decitcul party in the country

                      my question to you is where has your opinion changed based on the data or if you are being honest it never has and you have just follow the agenda of whatever political party you affiliate yourself with?

                      • +3

                        @Trying2SaveABuck: He has not achieved anything like peace in Europe and will only be able to do so by bending over to Putin. Creating risk of further war later on. Putin is taking him for a ride.

                        He has not reduced military spending one cent. It was the only thing not touched by DOGE. The latest Republican bills increase military spending. You are literally just making up facts now.

                        He has no power to 'protect biological women in sport' because it's not a federal issue. All his executive orders are unenforceable nonsense.

                        His illegal shuttering of USAID is one of the dumbest things he's done so far. It was achieving incredible success the world over and makes barely a dent in the US budget. It was always a bipartisan issue until Trump because it has been immensely successful.

                        If you think I see politics as a football game you're wrong. I just now how policy and politics works. And Trump is insane and doing literally not a single thing right.

                        • -5

                          @wtfisgoingon: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-…

                          Just saying

                          im not here to argue with you but you're entrenched in a position and anyone who thought USAID giving Chelsea Clinton 84m was 'ok' is crazy

                          Trump is probably insane but your crazy if you cant see he is doing what 'he' thinks is right - but his trade policy is just bannans

                          additionally anyone thinking people aged 350 year old getting social security etc being stopped is a bad think is also insane there has been a lot of common sense from his government it is why this trade 'war' is so perplexing

                          • +6

                            @Trying2SaveABuck: Get off the conspiracy theory channels. This is probably the most important introspection. Chelsea Clinton did not get $84m from USAID. There's no evidence that happened. It's pure fiction: https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/social-media-p…

                            And if you think the Lowy Institute is in on it, you're actually just mad. They're a renowned centre-right institute.

                            Nobody aged over 350 was getting social security payments. That was an artifact from the fact they had not received a death certificate for the person (and it was never close to 350…), and they were not legally permitted to remove them from the database. They had automatically stopped received payments decades before, they just couldn't be removed. This was compounded by the fact that DOGE idiots didn't know how the system worked and miscalculated a spreadsheet.

                • +6

                  @wtfisgoingon: Bless your heart for not only encouraging some introspection in Trying2Ssve, but even floating the idea that such a thing were possible

                  • -5

                    @Crow K: This harsh i will always admit when im wrong when evidance dicates it (not feelings not agendas)

                    I gave OP an open example of a man who was unfit for office in Bidan and a lady who was shoe horned for diversity opposed to merit and he brushed it off (this was a test of character and OP failed)

                    If OP said look you're right the ulternative wasnt good but i believe it was the better of the two i would of said 'fair enough' instead he just went on the attack (the sign of someone who cant be reasoned with and lack common logic)

                    OP instead went on the defence - this shows OP cannot admit to being wrong when the facts layed bare this to me your opinon is clouded by bias or agenda and i got no interest in what you have to say - there are a large number of people on here i put in this category i usually just ignore their comments you are one of them but i thought it was only fair i clarify that i dont listen to silly people

                    (yes….ive Spent a lot of time studying psychology and human behavior)

                    • +4

                      @Trying2SaveABuck: I always respect a person who will admit when they are wrong (and so you have earned some respect) but at the same time it's important to use that as a learning experience to understand how you are wrong (and in the absence of that, you lose some respect). The how is the introspection part of the exercise.

                      You were previously one of the biggest Bible thumpers on here and you made the decision to walk away from that all that because you'd rather mock and punish the woke, and Trump was the champion king fighter of making all the woke and libs suffer.

                      Nothing wrong with changing shepherds, but to be frank it's an absolute downgrade. At least there were some rules and regulations in the Bible you could get some guidance from. What have you learnt from Trump's meandering spiels? What ridiculous and crazy behaviour have you unwittingly supported because your big convincing businessman leader was going to make the libs cry?

                      Food for thought (for others)

                    • +5

                      @Trying2SaveABuck: Lmao you study psychology and human behaviour but supported Trump. Ok.

                      You clearly believe you're far far far smarter than you actually are.

              • +2

                @Trying2SaveABuck: but you got to own the libs that's surely more important than $$$

            • +3

              @wtfisgoingon: Na he said backsies its fine.

        • +4

          He/she said they're wrong. That's more than most would do.

          • +5

            @CaptainJack: I'm not willing to just let people walk back that they supported a madman who is burning the world economy and America's democracy to the ground.

            Those people should not be trusted until they engage in some introspection.

            • -5

              @wtfisgoingon: So you're one of those losers that gets fixated on being 'right' on the internet. Yawn, who cares.

              • +5

                @CaptainJack: No. I'm one of those losers whose angry as hell that people voted for someone whose modus operandi was vengeance and hate. And I'm just as angry that they're only now regretting it because it hits their bottom line.

          • -1

            @CaptainJack: Agreed. Takes a lot to admit when you're wrong, especially on the cesspool of the internet. We need more meeting people in the middle instead of division.

            In the end, I can see why people are attracted to Trump. He is a very good salesman and populist and frames complex problems as black and white with simple solutions.

            • +5

              @Shoocat: People who are attracted to him also need to look past his language around immigrants, trans people and everyone who isn't politically aligned with him. He is a terrible excuse for a human being. I don't give people a pass on just looking past that.

              They're stupid for believing he's good for the economy. They're terrible people for supporting him even if they are stupid enough to believe that.

        • +3

          I agree. Nec minnit OP will be swapping lanes again to push his right wing agenda .

      • -2

        Not really, you wanted national debt sorted, it will be sorted …

        • I do want national debt sorted this 'wont' sort national debt UNLESS nations bend over (which they might) in which case Trump is actually genius (i personally think he leans more to insane madman at this point but we got 3.5 years more of this)

          People who fail to understand basic econmics dont understand you cant just keep growing 'debt forever' it eventually becomes a problem - Victoria is the prime example of that right now here in Australia

          • @Trying2SaveABuck: Stocks need to crash 20-30%, which will bring interest rates down …

            The plan is to re-finance the 36T national debt at 0% interest … means he can stop paying the interest and start working it down

            • +1

              @7ekn00:

              The plan is to re-finance the 36T national debt at 0% interest … means he can stop paying the interest and start working it down

              i believed this too until 'last night' in which everything was going to plan….till he blew up the plan now we have economic whiplash - he needs the USD to LOSE value not strengthen if that was his plan

              • @Trying2SaveABuck: You need volatility to crash a stock market …

                25% here, oh they negotiated, 0% there, oh they countered, 100% more, oh they …..

              • @Trying2SaveABuck:

                he needs the USD to LOSE value not strengthen if that was his plan

                SPOT ON!
                A brutally devalued USD will save and revitalize the US economy.
                Remember, they only care about the US and NOT the world and its inhabitants.

            • +1

              @7ekn00:

              Stocks need to crash 20-30%, which will bring interest rates down …

              Crashing the stock market leads to greater uncertainty in the market and throws a shadow over the US economy's future ability to make money

              Why would an external lender to the U.S. in those circumstances lower their interest rates? Wouldn't the additional risks mean they would be doing something different with their interest rates, maybe the exact opposite of lowering them?

              • +4

                @Crow K: Historically, the USD gov bonds were viewed as the most solid asset class.
                The full faith of the American government valued them as inviolate.
                Whenever there was increased uncertainty people parked their money in US bonds to weather the storm.
                Everyone fighting to buy treasuries makes their price rise, so the US gov needs to offer fewer to get the money it needs

                Trump got spooked that this relationship broke down in the last few days ("those guys got a little queasy" were his words).

                This is the financial markets equivalent of losing the Vietnam war in terms of what it does to American power. It may mean the end of the USD having special treatment as the de facto reserve currency.
                I'm not a finance guy, but I suspect the bond market is very, very disturbed about this new world.

                Your comment that the increased risks will mean higher rates now looks true, like it is for every other government, but hasn't really been the case for the USA.
                When this happens in other countries (e.g. Liz Truss) heads roll.
                Financial markets are concerned that heads aren't likely to roll here, and things could continue very unpredictably.

  • If you think nations starting wars over the limited supply of gold is a good idea, then your proposal has one merit.

    • +1

      any different to nations starting wars of limited supply of Oil?

      • Type "cons of switching to gold as the global currency" into ChatGPT.

        • -1

          Switching to gold as the global currency might seem appealing for its stability, but it comes with significant drawbacks:

          1. Limited Supply: The global economy grows faster than the supply of gold. This could lead to deflation, where the value of money increases, but prices drop, discouraging spending and investment.

          2. Economic Rigidity: Gold ties the money supply to mining output, limiting a country's ability to respond to economic crises. For example, during recessions, governments can't easily inject money into the economy.

          3. Unequal Distribution: Gold reserves are concentrated in a few countries. This could create economic imbalances, with gold-rich nations gaining disproportionate power.

          4. Volatility: Gold prices can fluctuate due to market speculation, geopolitical tensions, or changes in mining output. This could destabilize economies relying on it.

          5. Resource Intensive: Mining and storing gold require significant resources, which could be better allocated elsewhere.

          6. Historical Precedent: The gold standard was abandoned because it failed to provide long-term economic stability. It often led to financial crises and hindered global trade.

          While gold offers neutrality and intrinsic value, its limitations make it a challenging candidate for a modern global currency. What do you think—are these trade-offs worth considering?

          • -1

            @Trying2SaveABuck: Whilst Pros

            Switching to gold as the global currency offers several potential advantages:

            1. Intrinsic Value: Gold has been a symbol of wealth for centuries. Its value doesn't depend on government policies or trust in institutions, making it inherently stable.

            2. Neutrality: Unlike fiat currencies, gold isn't tied to any specific nation, reducing the risk of one country's economy or policies dominating global trade.

            3. Inflation Control: Gold's fixed supply helps prevent excessive money printing by governments, which can lead to inflation under fiat systems.

            4. Historical Stability: Gold was a cornerstone of global trade for centuries, providing a consistent standard for international transactions.

            5. Trust and Confidence: Gold’s tangibility and universal acceptance make it a reliable and widely trusted asset for investors and governments alike.

            6. Global Uniformity: Returning to gold could promote fairness in trade by eliminating exchange rate fluctuations and currency manipulations.

            While these benefits sound appealing, the challenges of switching to gold also need careful consideration. It would be a major shift for the global economy, but perhaps its neutrality is worth exploring further?

            • @Trying2SaveABuck:

              Switching to gold as the global currency offers several potential advantages:
              1. Intrinsic Value: Gold has been a symbol of wealth for centuries. Its value doesn't depend on government policies or trust in institutions, making it inherently stable.

              Other than a few medical and industrial applications, Gold’s “intrinsic” value is a cultural and historical illusion. It is a glittery metal.

              1. Neutrality: Unlike fiat currencies, gold isn't tied to any specific nation, reducing the risk of one country's economy or policies dominating global trade.

              Yes it is tied to specific nations who own (or can mine) more of it. The countries that own more will be more powerful.

              A few nations (and companies) control the bulk of gold supplies, making “neutrality” a glittery myth. It's just swapping one geopolitical imbalance for another.

              1. Inflation Control: Gold's fixed supply helps prevent excessive money printing by governments, which can lead to inflation under fiat systems.

              While extreme inflation isn't good for the economy or your wallet, a healthy dose of inflation is required for any healthy economy. The limited supply of gold means we will likely have deflation when there is any GDP growth (i.e. nearly always). With deflation, your mortgage will get bigger (comparatively) over time.

              With gold, you can’t easily expand the money supply in a crisis, so say hello to deeper recessions and deflationary death spirals. Gold is economic constipation.

              1. Historical Stability: Gold was a cornerstone of global trade for centuries, providing a consistent standard for international transactions.

              Gold-backed systems helped cause the Great Depression and got ditched for a reason. Nostalgia isn't a sound monetary policy. “Historically stable” is just a polite way of saying “rigid and brittle.”

              1. Trust and Confidence: Gold’s tangibility and universal acceptance make it a reliable and widely trusted asset for investors and governments alike.

              Sure, people trust gold—until they need liquidity, growth, or flexibility. Try running modern digital economies on hunks of metal and see how much “confidence” survives the first global credit crunch.

              1. Global Uniformity: Returning to gold could promote fairness in trade by eliminating exchange rate fluctuations and currency manipulations.

              Uniformity at what cost? Gold doesn’t eliminate manipulation; it just shifts it. Black markets, smuggling, hoarding—you’d get a new set of problems, only this time with more pirates and fewer policy tools.

              Want a world economy that behaves like a medieval bazaar? Gold’s your guy. Otherwise, we’ve got better (and smarter) tools now.

        • -3

          Going to say 5. from the Pro outweighs any arguement against

          im sorry im very pro Gold

          If you dont have 'trust' then you have nothing - Australia also has a lot of gold so distribution is actually a pro for us here in Aus

          • +2

            @Trying2SaveABuck:

            a pro for us here in Aus

            A pro for the corporations operating here that take it from the ground and pay fractions of a cent on the dollar for the privilege.

  • +1

    buy 2 days after announcement induced collapse
    sell day of random bullish news or policy backflip

  • +1

    Trying to time the market is a solid way to lose money.

    You are not smart enough to make money this way long term. You may get lucky and make money but will lose in the long term.

  • +3

    The volatility stemming from President Trump's words and tweets has reached unprecedented levels

    The volatility stemming from President Trump's words and tweets "has reached levels that have never been seen before"

    FTFY as it needed to have the orange clown's repetitively overused spin-doctoring to it

  • -1

    Invest in nickel,renewables and birth control.
    Better still invest in truth,facts and decency. The basic shit that MAGAnauts cannot comprehend.

    • Invest in… birth control.

      Do you mean Pfizer, Astra Zeneca, Moderna?

      • LOL

      • Bullets.
        No parents no babies.

        • You and Protractor can volunteer and report back how the scheme goes.

          • @tenpercent: Who is You?

            Meanwhile please report back how the Pfizer, Astra Zeneca & Moderna schema went.

        • -2

          The Doodle Dandies have invested in bullets. They use more bullets (lethally) PA in their schools and their suburbs than most ME conflict zones.

  • +1

    Panican

  • All in on multi polarity and BRICS plus. The decline of the US empire is set in stone 5 years ago. Trump merely sped it up. Will Aus remain a poodle to US interests in the future? I think yes sadly.

    • +2

      Aust is more like their portaloo.

    • +1

      set in stone 5 years ago

      Exactly. Under Trump 1.0's watch.

      Trump is a third rate actor hired to create the theatre and distraction to give an excuse for other nations to move their reliance away from the US and its currency. Gotta cut down the tall poppy to achieve the multipolar world order.

  • For a reason Nixon administration abandon gold convertibility.

    Amazingly the world followed a printed green piece of paper instead.

    It is not them, it is us.

  • -1

    Asks question for a poll then states I love gold , all other opinions moot.
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16422681/redir
    The very definition of ideological click bait

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