The Sale of All Non-Kitchen Knives >20cm to Be Banned in Victoria

mapax on 28/05/2025 - 10:46
Last edited 28/05/2025 - 16:50 by 1 other user

The banning of the sale of >20cm non-kitchen knives and machetes goes into effect at midday today in Victoria and in September it will be illegal to own them with fines of more than $47,000 or 2 years imprisonment. This is expected to include all non-kitchen knives such as camping, bushcraft, hunting and horticultural knives unless the government changes the laws between now and September.

How Victoria's machete sale ban will be enforced

Victorians who took part in the Fiskars deal or any of the other camping knife deals that are >20cm will have to surrender them when the amnesty begins or face excessively harsh penalties.

These laws will do little to stop criminals from using kitchen knives, hatchets, buying interstate, or simply making crude machetes from flat bar. It is only going to have a major impact on law abiding citizens.

As a park ranger/natural resource manager it’s common to see >20cm knives being used for hand weeding and machetes/brush hooks being used to clear brush such as kunzea when working around sound sensitive areas/animals.

Update from ABC-

The government previously said a machete was longer than 20cm, but have since said knives under that length could also come under the ban

General Discussion Knife

Comments

      • mitt on 29/05/2025 - 18:48

        After the NFA & buyback there was no statistically significant impact on gun deaths. Our rate of gun violence was low & declining before the changes & was low & declining at exactly the same rate afterwards.

        https://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/publications/worki…

        However, dont let facts get in the way of your story.

        • Ughhh on 29/05/2025 - 21:10
          -1

          How easy is it for an ordinary person to do a mass shooting these days?

          • brendanm on 31/05/2025 - 23:34
            -1

            @Ughhh: I don't think many ordinary people are attempting to do mass shootings.

            • Ughhh on 01/06/2025 - 10:01

              @brendanm: Ordinary people as not organised crime syndicates.

              • brendanm on 01/06/2025 - 10:59
                -1

                @Ughhh: What does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

                • Ughhh on 01/06/2025 - 11:50

                  @brendanm: Your inability to answer the question and resorting to being silly proves my point.

                  It's a good feeling to have knowing the chance of a school mass shooting is close to zero in Australia.

                  • brendanm on 01/06/2025 - 12:52
                    -1

                    @Ughhh: It was a genuine question, what did your comment have to do with mine that you replied to?

                    • Ughhh on 01/06/2025 - 16:04
                      -1

                      @brendanm: You replied to my comment first.
                      If your want to talk about tea, try your mother.

                      • brendanm on 01/06/2025 - 16:25
                        -1

                        @Ughhh: Yes, my comment made sense though. You asked about ordinary people commiting mass murder, I replied about ordinary people commiting mass murder. You then replied to my comment about ordinary people commiting mass murder with a comment about organised crime syndicates. Hence my confusing, as it doesn't make sense.

                        Have you honestly not the hears the saying "what does that have to do with the price of tea in China"? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_that_got_to_do_with…

                        • Ughhh on 01/06/2025 - 23:10
                          -1

                          @brendanm: You convinced me you genuinely lost your marbles.

                          I don't think many mass school shootings were done by a gang. If you don't get the point, just move on.

                          • brendanm on 02/06/2025 - 08:44

                            @Ughhh: They werent done by normal people either. Normal people don't do that sort of thing.

      • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 05/06/2025 - 08:55

        As it has been pointed out many times before there is no correlation between the murder rate and gun ownership. Still spreading the same nonsense.

  • Mintee on 28/05/2025 - 19:27
    +1

    The Vic gov seem to be killing out "sports". Putting the animal cruelty arguments to the side, you generally need a large knife for game, gutting an animal isnt going to be done with a small knife.

    Whats next, banning axes? No more chopping wood? What happens to wood fire heaters.

    I really wish they look at better alternatives

    • Protractor on 28/05/2025 - 20:10
      +4

      Do tell. What 'big game' are you hunting and gutting with a large knife,tarzan?

      • Mintee on 28/05/2025 - 21:00
        +2

        Deer

        • Protractor on 28/05/2025 - 21:03

          Is Robert De Niro still rocking up?
          Or is RFK sitting in for him these days?

    • tenpercent on 01/06/2025 - 12:28

      Whats next, banning axes? No more chopping wood? What happens to wood fire heaters.

      Don't give them ideas.

  • OzzyOzbourne on 28/05/2025 - 20:48
    +8

    People that are willing to stab other people with large knives won't be concerned with a ban.

    There are always bad eggs, but I wonder if it's connected with trying to give a new life and opportunities to live in a high trust country, to people from dangerous and low trust countries where they commonly use these weapons.

    • Protractor on 28/05/2025 - 21:05
      +2

      Straya for the white man?

      • try2bhelpful on 28/05/2025 - 21:06

        Well we used to have the White Australia policy.

        • Protractor on 28/05/2025 - 21:07
          +1

          It's coming back via our migration choices. (exponents of it)

          • tenpercent on 01/06/2025 - 12:31

            @Protractor:

            It's coming back via our migration choices. (exponents of it)

            What exclusive gated community rural paradise town do you live in?
            The migration choices I see every day are certainly not in line with what you're suggesting.
            The migration choice we need to make is simply to cut back the numbers (regardless where they come from) until the total number of dwellings in the country catches up the total number of family units.

  • cnut on 28/05/2025 - 21:06

    So what are the exemptions for required use on a farm and such? Have they stated it yet?

    • Protractor on 28/05/2025 - 22:20

      Victorian sugar farmers are exempt.

    • pegaxs on 28/05/2025 - 22:39
      +11

      From what I read and understand…

      • No fully automatic machetes. Bolt action only.
      • Maximum sheath capacity of 5 machetes.
      • You will need to be a member of a machete sporting club or a primary producer.
      • There will be a 2 day course on machete safety, a psychological exam and intensive background check for licensing requirements.
      • You will not be able to own a machete for 12 months.
      • After 12 months you will be able to purchase a machete from a registered machete dealer and it will be stored at the machete club for a period of another 12 months.
      • You will need to attend at least 6 gazetted machete competitions a year if you fall under a “sporting macheter” license.
      • When transporting a machete, the blade and the handle must be transported separately. The blade must be transported in a lockable case and in a locked, secure part of the vehicle. The handle cannot be kept in the same compartment.
      • Home storage must seperate the blade and the handle into to seperate lockable boxes. The lock box for the handles may be stored within the locked blade storage area providing it is locked separately from the main locked area.
      • All machetes will come with a serial number and will only be allowed to be bought and sold via authorised machete dealers.
      • ANY modification to the machete, for example, docking the handle, shortening the blade or adding flutes to make it quieter, are all forbidden.
      • Repairs may only be carried out by a licensed machetesmith.
      • JIMB0 on 28/05/2025 - 23:32
        +5

        Sawn-off machetes are still allowed as long as they're under 20cm.

      • pharkurnell on 29/05/2025 - 11:55

        Pure Gold!

  • Poor Ass on 28/05/2025 - 23:08
    +1

    Like Howard's cash for guns how about cash for knives no questions asked

    • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 20:52

      I'd raid the op shops and clean up

  • Nebargains on 29/05/2025 - 05:57
    +6

    Honestly such a stupid law. Do they really think that people already breaking the law and attempting to kill or harm other individuals will suddenly become law abiding and surrender their large knives and machetes? Do they really think they won't just resort to other sharp objects like axes and kitchen knives or maybe even making their own?

    I wonder what the stats are, how many machete attacks are there per year vs other weapons like knives or guns? This is just the government doing something to be seen doing something without actually addressing the root problem.

  • SuperMid on 29/05/2025 - 08:30

    Does this law include replica swords for display purposes

    • S2 on 30/05/2025 - 07:46

      This is a great question that I hadn't thought about.

    • mapax on 30/05/2025 - 09:44

      Metal ones are already banned unless you hold an exemption, that includes blunt re-enactment swords that are designed to be safe to spar with. They have to be stored in a locked, not easy to penetrate safe/locker when not in use.

  • corvusman on 29/05/2025 - 09:22
    +4

    This is stupid.

    Uk data shows 90% of knife-related homicides involve various kitchen knives. In the US, nearly 80% of knife-related crimes involved a simple steak knife.

    Ban of machetes is hardly going to make a dent. Next let's ban hatchets and hammers. By far more dangerous items.

    Long screwdrivers too.

    • Speckled Jim on 29/05/2025 - 10:47

      Uk data shows

      Safe bet? They're about to ban the sale of knives with pointed ends.
      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq33n2v1k3o
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7508404.stm
      https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/idris-elba-remove-…

      Ban of machetes…

      is the opening gambit. Watch them copy-paste forthcoming UK law.

      • corvusman on 29/05/2025 - 14:06
        +1

        This is absolutely stupid because they are treating the symptoms rather than original cause.

        When you have a leaky cauldron, you need to patch a hole, but our fabulously dysfunctional politicians are throwing more and more ingredients in to replace what was lost. To the point where we have an absolute mess in everything. And still a leaky cauldron!

    • infinite on 29/05/2025 - 19:37
      +2

      It seems much more logical to just stop mass importing the military-aged male immigrants committing all these crimes.

      • pinsanity on 30/05/2025 - 00:31
        +1

        That would in effect be an indirect admission of a major policy failure from both sides of the chamber.

        Never gonna happen.

  • Frankensnore on 29/05/2025 - 09:26

    Why in Vic? Wouldn't nsw be more sensible

  • iamgeoffyboy on 29/05/2025 - 09:38

    So I'm ok if I get stabbed by a 180cm knife?

    They are not addressing the real problem.

    • Danstar on 29/05/2025 - 10:01
      +3

      Now that's a knife!

      :P :D :D

    • smigglejiggle on 29/05/2025 - 11:36
      +1

      I've never seen a 180cm knife. That would be almost impossible to wield. I applaud any criminal trying to conceal a 180cm knife.

      • pharkurnell on 29/05/2025 - 11:57

        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009038468023.html?src=google&pdp_npi=4%40dis!AUD!72.79!17.89!!!!!%40!12000047672455105!ppc!!!
        Sword/Knife..

  • cfuse on 29/05/2025 - 10:10
    +4

    What are they going to do next, ban the wheel or fire?

    If you want to reduce crime there's a very easy way to do that: actually police crime.

    • Protractor on 29/05/2025 - 10:24

      You need the right ppl in uniform first. We lost that race years ago. The police union runs the Ministers in Straya.
      Accountability is rare, if existent at all.

  • LFO on 29/05/2025 - 10:33
    +3

    Laughable!

    The infamous terrorists behind the plane crashes with 9/11 used box cutters.
    Big deal …

    • Protractor on 29/05/2025 - 10:35
      -2

      Were they made in the USA?

      • LFO on 29/05/2025 - 10:36

        Probably.
        Just like their restricted pilot licenses

        • Protractor on 29/05/2025 - 10:40
          -1

          What an epic failure of the the US govt and the genius in the white house at the time.
          Much like the worst UK & French terror acts, which were heavily dominated by ppl on active watch lists.

    • cfuse on 29/05/2025 - 10:39
      +1

      And the response was to have the TSA molest you 'til this very day. Terrorism solved!

  • TheOtherLeft on 29/05/2025 - 11:05
    +2

    What a joke…because crimes won't use kitchen knives because they only belong in the kitchen???

    • Muppet Detector on 30/05/2025 - 14:44
      +1

      If they take the knives out of the kitchen, what will their women use?

  • munecito on 29/05/2025 - 11:14

    Be prepared for the next round of bans.

    Spanners. /S

    Funny how the machetes don't seem to be the problem, but the have wielding it.

    https://archive.md/B5JeK

  • rexanator619 on 29/05/2025 - 11:24
    +8

    All this nonsense would have been avoided if the government had harsher penalties and deportation laws.

  • haemolysis on 29/05/2025 - 11:32
    -1

    I don't know if I really support such a law. Probably not, to be honest. It seems a bit overkill.

    However, I really get turned off caring when I hear people pull this garbage:

    These laws will do little to stop criminals from using kitchen knives, hatchets, buying interstate, or simply making crude machetes from flat bar. It is only going to have a major impact on law abiding citizens.

    Arguing that putting some friction into the accessibility will not have an impact, is… frankly, disingenuous. Weapon bans work. They've worked time and time again. When criminals don't have easy access to weapons, they typically don't just go find alternatives: they just don't use weapons. Crime just… drops.

    The UK saw this when they banned various assault knives. Japan saw this when they banned blades >6cm. Scotland saw this when they held knife amnesty programs.

    The same applies for gun restrictions: we are always told people will "just go make a gun, or get it interstate, or steal them, or 3D print them." But do they? No. Not in the same numbers. A few fringe cases. Most people just stop using guns.

    It's always a drop in crime. Weapon bans work.

    • SlickMick on 29/05/2025 - 12:04
      +1

      Most people would support weapons bans. This isn't that.

      If we don't have sufficient laws for anything to be able to be classified as a weapon when used as such, happy for that to be addressed.

      But banning tools is just plain stupid, and is also an inconvenience to a lot of people for absolutely no benefit.

      • haemolysis on 29/05/2025 - 12:52
        -2

        This isn't that.

        It is exactly that. Playing semantic games and saying "they're not weapons they're tools" is just a distraction. They are clearly used in both applications. The question is not about "defining and classifying". The issue is whether they should be allowed for sale.

        • SlickMick on 29/05/2025 - 15:09
          +1

          No.
          My point is that many, many things can we used as a weapon as well as it's intended us. Only a moron would attempt to ban everything that could be used as a weapon.
          Or equivalently stupid: just pick one such item to ban….
          … presumably with a view to pass new laws as other tools are used in a crime, and over the decades we reduce the tools we have at our disposal until eventually we can only use plastic cutlery and buy to buy everything pre-sliced, and hire licensed gardeners.

          • tenpercent on 29/05/2025 - 15:36
            +1

            @SlickMick: Only a moron or a politican who wants to be seen to be doing something…sometimes/often it's both at the same time. I.e. it's probably political theatrics.

    • Protractor on 29/05/2025 - 13:00
      -1

      The unicorn of common sense has entered the building

    • mapax on 29/05/2025 - 14:43
      -1

      The same applies for gun restrictions: we are always told people will "just go make a gun, or get it interstate, or steal them, or 3D print them." But do they? No. Not in the same numbers. A few fringe cases. Most people just stop using guns.

      That is not entirely correct.

      There has been more than just a few fringe cases involving 3d printed and illegally manufactured firearms. There is a national task force focusing on preventing them.

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-23/alarming-increase-in-…?

    • mitt on 29/05/2025 - 18:52
      +3

      Most people didn't just stop using guns. Most people ALREADY were not using guns for crime & there was no measurable change before & after the NFA & buyback.

      https://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/publications/worki…

      Our low & declining rate of gun deaths continued at the same pace & on the same trends after the NFA.

      • infinite on 29/05/2025 - 19:45

        Almost all gun deaths before and after the buy back (not involving immigrants) were just suicides, too.

        Gun deaths in Australia are at a rate of 0.88 per 100,000 and has been for decades.

        Meanwhile, type-2 diabetes deaths (that's just fat people eating themselves to death due to lack of any self control) are at a rate of 64.8 per 100,000.

        You don't see hysterical middle aged leftist women getting upset about that for some reason though………. Hmmmm, wonder why?

        • vasya on 29/05/2025 - 20:03
          -1

          Interesting statistic. Do you have a source (just want to have it for future arguments)?

          • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 16:02
            -1

            @vasya: I doubt it. It reads just like the typical dark web, chat-room, echo-chamber, bread-crumb diet. Intellectual malnutrition. Apparently only white, right wing males get to whinge, and usually about stuff adults got over decades ago.

          • infinite on 31/05/2025 - 22:54

            @vasya: Here you go. Feel free to inform yourself.

            https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/diabetes/diabetes/contents/i… - published 12 Dec 2024.

            https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/diabetes/diabetes/contents/i… - published 12 Dec 2024.

            The death rate for type 2 diabetes in Australia is approximately 64 to 65 deaths per 100,000 population. This rate has increased from 58 deaths per 100,000 in 2018.

            The total diabetes-related death rate has increased since 2018, while the rate for diabetes as the underlying cause has remained stable. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) indicates that deaths from type two diabetes were the sixth leading cause of death, accounting for 2.9% of all deaths in 2021.

            Also, here you are for the gun death reference:

            https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/crime-and-justice/r… - published 27 June 2024.

            In 2018, the rate of total gun deaths in Australia was 0.88 per 100,000 people.

  • Logical on 29/05/2025 - 14:25
    +3

    Lol, lol, lol. Victoria… First to lock down the State and hold citizens prisoner in their own homes and now this. Popcorn ready to see what's next for the citizens.

    • Danstar on 29/05/2025 - 14:37
      +2

      Emergency services taxes that will help us in an emergency…..

  • tenpercent on 29/05/2025 - 15:33
    +2

    Murder was banned a while back.
    How's that going?

    I'm pretty sure political corruption is banned too. And yet… Jacinta.

    • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 15:18

      War crimes were also banned. How's that going?
      I think you over-estimate humanity's integrity.

    • smartazz104 on 30/05/2025 - 17:08

      I don't think anyone would suggest making murder not illegal though…

      • Muppet Detector on 30/05/2025 - 20:08

        There are already about 10 reasons, justifications and/or excuses that legalise murder. Might be more but cbf counting.

        • tenpercent on 01/06/2025 - 12:26

          There are already about 10 reasons, justifications and/or excuses that legalise murder.

          I seem to remember discussing one specific one with you at length1 a while a go.

          1. Don't worry Jacinta, it was less than 20cm. ↩

  • smigglejiggle on 29/05/2025 - 15:48
    +10

    BREAKING: Violent youth gangs have announced they will dissolve at noon on TODAY (Wednesday) when the Victorian government’s machete ban comes into effect.
    Notorious gang leader Outon Bale told journalists his violent band of marauding thugs would leave their lives of crime and take up knitting, since needles and yarn would still be able to be bought in shops.

    “We were only robbing houses and hacking random people to death in the streets because Bunnings was selling sharp knives.

    “Now that the knives are no longer on sale, we’ll be knitting jumpers.

    “We’ve advised our members that Spotlight stocks a wide variety of yarn in 8-ply acrylic, and that knitting needles are currently on special.”

    Outon Bale gave special thanks to the Victorian Government for finally getting tough on stores that stocked machetes. He continued,“It was pretty outrageous that blades had been left on shelves, and at affordable prices, for so long.”

    He told of his shock when, having been released on bail for the eighteenth time after his sixty-third home invasion, he discovered machetes could still be purchased.
    “I mean, we stole the machetes. But we could have purchased them if we had wanted to, and that just seemed very dangerous to me.”

    Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan said she would have banned machetes earlier, but she had only recently been advised that blades longer than 20cm were unable to vote.
    Allan commented,“I had been under the impression that machetes voted in State elections and so I was going to protect them in the same way that I preserve corrupt union leaders, bats*** crazy trans activists and journalists at the ABC.

    “The moment I learned machetes can’t punish Labor at the ballot box; I did something about them. It was the principled thing to do.”
    She said the Government would use “extraordinary powers” to enforce the ban, but could not say why the extraordinary powers did not extend to arresting, jailing, or deporting criminals.

    When asked why the machete ban would come into effect on Wednesday rather than immediately, she shrugged dismissively…

    “Why did we prosecute old ladies for sitting on park benches during the Covid pandemic?

    “Why did we spend $589m not to host the Commonwealth Games?

    “And here’s another thing. Why are there so many songs about rainbows, and what’s on the other side?”
    When pressed, she added…

    “Let me be clear, if I knew the reason we do things, I’d be able to explain bankrupting the State to build a Suburban Rail Loop absolutely no-one wants. But I can’t explain any of it. And that’s how we are keeping Labor, er, Victorians, safe.”

    The Premier then insisted that in the name of open and transparent government she would not be taking any more questions from the media, after which she took several questions from the ABC because they were classified as in-house public relations rather than media.
    State Police Commissioner Nigel Noodlehead backed the government’s approach to youth crime.
    He said machetes had weaponised young immigrants in Melbourne’s outer suburbs for too long.
    “Many of these kids who are carjacking motorists and breaking into homes in the middle of the night would have been neurosurgeons or astronauts had they not been deliberately groomed by machetes.”

    The Victorian Government was moved to act after machetes attached themselves to the hands of peace loving teenagers who had arrived at Northlands Shopping Center for a book club event.

    Terrified shoppers hid in stores as rival machetes, brandishing gang members, fought a pitched battle through the complex.
    Meanwhile, on Sunday, a 17-year-old boy was rushed to hospital with slash wounds to his arm and ribs after a separate incident involving out of control machetes in Wyndham Vale, south-west of Melbourne.

    Officers were called to Manuka Drive after machetes, armed with four men, were seen chasing the victim on the street, according to police.
    In other news, a spokesman for the Allan Government said next week her administration would use it’s extraordinary powers to ban kitchenwares stores from selling spoons in a bid to stop obesity.

  • PurchaseAnxiety on 29/05/2025 - 16:31

    Yeah, this seems silly. Anyone who wants to stab someone isn't going to change their mind because they couldn't find a long enough blade.

  • ter on 29/05/2025 - 16:31
    +2

    Ban those low life, not tools!

  • Excelsior on 29/05/2025 - 16:43
    +4

    I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - the root of the problem is that there are minimal consequences for teens committing crimes aka a very lax justice system in Australia. What's there to be afraid of if all they get is a slap on the wrist?

  • Dreamcast on 29/05/2025 - 17:10
    +1

    Maybe just be more harsh on the person responsible. Knives don't kill, people do.

    If you're a non crim and get busted, you'll probably get screwed over more than a crim who breaks into a house wielding a knife.

    Absolutely bloody useless. This is Democracy at its finest. Oh no, please don't be harsh on crimes. Oh the tragedy!

    Anyone who is caught stabbing someone, even if superficial, should get minimum 10 years.

    FFS, crime is getting out of hand. Then again, we as the people of Australia should be out on the streets demanding that crims are punished adequately and holding our government responsible, no matter which party is in power.

    • Protractor on 29/05/2025 - 17:28
      -1

      If you're a non crim and get busted, you'll probably get screwed over more than a crim who breaks into a house wielding a knife.

      Yeah nah.Anecdotally perhaps.

      FFS, crime is getting out of hand.

      Yeah nah.The media,social media and ppl trying to transpose their own previous culture on law enforcement is what is getting out of hand.

      A few crime hot spots where social disadvantage, massive increases in drug impacts and unsustainable population increases in the wrong housing population areas have always been drivers, and don't equate to universal crime saturation. Police want more police so that plays into the exaggerations as well.
      The more you swallow the stay home,stay safe shrill shrieking, the more you place yourself into the corner cowering at shadows.

      TLDR. What do the actual numbers say?
      I agree the penalties for using a blade on another person should be harsh, and possibly mandatory.

  • Bidet Mate on 29/05/2025 - 20:43

    I'm legitimately in the middle of deciding on where to move to start a family in the next 6 months and this has been the nail in the coffin to rule out Vic I think.

    I've got a small collection of ceremonial knives from my travels, Kukri from Nepal, Jambiya from from Yemen etc etc and these would now have put me at risk of a fine as large as the average Australian's annual take home pay.

    The old argument "if you don't act up you have nothing to fear" fails here when the same government has a history searching houses over the sharing of lockdown posts on Facebook.
    It's not that much of a stretch to imagine them using these laws as a cudgel for whatever their next grandstand is.

    The best evidence of these laws not being in good faith is that it would have been SO easy to make them more common-sense, eg only make them enforceable in public urban locations… where 99% of the machete crime occurs. That would have kept every camper and (previously) law abiding knife owner on board.

    • Protractor on 29/05/2025 - 20:56
      -5

      More elastic tinfoil than a landfill site a week after Xmas.
      You remind me of ppl with guns who argue their personal arsenal of 48 high powered semi automatics and pistols all have legimiate uses. But they spend 99% of their time hoarded in suburbia.

      • Bidet Mate on 30/05/2025 - 06:10
        +1

        Your name pops up so often. Have you ever had a good take?

        • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 09:58
          -1

          More often than you've had a good take down,it seems.

          • Bidet Mate on 30/05/2025 - 10:16
            +1

            @Protractor: No but for real, have you ever taken a step back and realised that by blindly spewing every progressive talking point possible you're contradicting yourself?

            You've called me a tinfoil hat for not trusting VicPol with more arbitrary laws they can abuse, but then if a scroll up this thread your telling someone else that the cops are corrupt…

            • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 10:54
              -4

              @Bidet Mate: No I called you out for conspiratorial nonsense in this paranoid comment.
              https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16566215/redir

              The % of corrupt cops won't alter the fact they can as a force, use this law to actually target the abusers of the right to own a machete.It's in their own best interest to justify expanding their footprint. It's working already.Look at the blow back.

              If you have knives that are legit collectors items, I assume you have the approval paperwork from customs too?

              • Bidet Mate on 30/05/2025 - 11:15

                @Protractor:

                I assume you have the approval paperwork from customs too?

                Bro you sound like a hall monitor that never grew up. You don't even need approval to bring them here beyond declaring at customs.

                And my conspiratorial nonsense was that cops are corrupt. You've also said cops are corrupt… I'm starting to think you're a low quality ragebait bot.

                • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 11:56
                  -3

                  @Bidet Mate: If your 'knives are legit", then your verging paranoid rant is the one that indicates you are the one rage baiting.Do you think the cops (even corrupt ones) would bother busting down your door? That's exactly your inference.

                  This whole thread began as, and was piled on by rage baiters. Inc your comment.
                  I support this law until I see evidence to not support it. But I don't even think corrupt plod gives FRA about you or your cheese knives.Unless of course there's more to meet the eye on your walls?

                  You do know you can have corrupt cops, without all cops being corrupt, in the real world.
                  It's a good call to hold off starting a family. And to avoid Vic. I reckon NT of QLD would be a better fit

                  • Bidet Mate on 30/05/2025 - 13:39
                    +1

                    @Protractor: Pretty funny that you've circled all the way back to the point I preemptively made in my first comment: "if you don't act up you have nothing to fear".

                    The argument that it isn't a worry becuase someone isn't import is insnane on it's own, but like I said at the start, they have shown in recent history that they will use such laws against people who aren't "important".

                    You're so busy grandstanding your cookie cutter progressive talking points that you can't see youre licking the boots at the same time as protesting them. It's weird.

  • ganymede on 29/05/2025 - 22:22

    What are we going to ban next? Folding chair?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dIXkzzaLqE

  • Donmega123 on 29/05/2025 - 23:19
    +2

    Machetes are amazing tools we use ours all the time in the garden and when I'm showing off with coconuts or watermelon

  • lew380 on 30/05/2025 - 07:14
    +2

    So we have had machetes and axes and long knives for hundreds of years with little to no problem. But the knives have suddenly started to stab people? It's almost as if it's not the instrument that commits the crime but the wielder? I'm probably just crazy, who am I to question the ways of our glorious political knee jerk lefty politicians. If it works for the UK, it'll work here!

    The UK went from a super power to a despotic third world shit hole in 50 years, and we are copying their every move. This is going to be great….

  • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 30/05/2025 - 07:41
    +3

    Is it really the knives that are the problem or certain violent cultures? Why are we doing this to ourselves?

    • H3R34TH4C0MM3NTS on 30/05/2025 - 10:36

      no its the the lack of punishment, Law enforcement should be given the authority to engage with lethal force if there is non-compliance when using these tools in a dangerous manner. VicPol should change thier policies to shoot first ask questions later. This would put an end to the youth crime crises epidemic putting the safety of the community at risk.

      • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 30/05/2025 - 12:05

        So you want the police to go around shooting the youth from foreign cultures? That doesnt sound like a good solution.

        • H3R34TH4C0MM3NTS on 30/05/2025 - 13:08

          did I mention anything about ethnicity or culture? I dont think so . ANYONE do brandishes a potential deadly weapon should be seen as an armed combatant and should be engaged with lethal force if they do not yield and comply with orders from law enforcement.

          This will all but virtually eliminate this youth crime crisis and epidemic in melbourne and greater Victoria.

          Theres too many beaureaucrats and do gooders profiting from the current corrections system here, with NO accountibility.
          When violent recidivist criminals are released into the community with impunity, this is the only solution. Rehabilitation is a failed policy and an extention of the woke mind virus.

          • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 30/05/2025 - 17:29

            @H3R34TH4C0MM3NTS: No you didnt mention race and culture because you are clueless and possibly a little cowardly.

            We never had any knife crime issues before this. There was no need for police to go around executing people in order to fix the problem.

            • H3R34TH4C0MM3NTS on 31/05/2025 - 00:24

              @OBEY YOUR MASTERS: Yes we have never had a knife crime problem before this and now we do. We have embolden criminals holding our society and communities to ransom. Goverment and police are expected to uphold the will of the people and keep our communities safe. They are not only failing but they are enabling. Current systems are not going to fix this problem they are only going to make things worse.

    • Protractor on 30/05/2025 - 10:58
      -2

      certain violent cultures

      Israel?

      • OBEY YOUR MASTERS on 30/05/2025 - 12:03

        Lol you're so cute. Israel is for sure a violent culture but not much to do with knife crime.

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