Buy Once, Cry once with Ubiquitis' new U7-Pro-XGS
Ceiling-mounted 8-stream WiFi 7 AP with dedicated spectral scanning radio and 10/5/2.5/1 GbE support.
Features:
•WiFi 7 with 6 GHz support
•8 spatial streams
•Real-time spectral analysis for enhanced channel selection
•160 m² (1,750 ft²) coverage
•500+ connected devices
•Powered using PoE++
•10 GbE uplink
You can just grab a cheap Cisco 3850 mgig for $300 on eBay. Much cheaper and more powerful.
An average Cisco engineer would tell us C3850 is a gigabit switch.
A cool Cisco engineer would tell us C3850 XU model is a multi-gigabit switch.
An awesome Cisco engineer would tell us all the above and reminds 1100W PSU is mandatory to support UPOE or PoE++ on all non-uplink ports.
But probably none of them will warn you about the high pitch fans' noise as it is an industry standard :)
@icecream: And the command
hw-module switch 1 upoe-plus
(To actually enable upoe)
And then reboot it so it takes effect
And then for confirmation
Show power inline upoe
To confirm 802.3bt is now running
(Don’t forget to enable lldp so it’s compatible with ubiquiti or at least you can see the WAP’s)
Lldp run
Enjoy ;)
You can also get 10gbe poe++ injectors from ubiquity which will be my plan for now
Sigh. Same. I want the 8-port xg switch. But even the xgs might overkill for me. Im looking for the xg for a more reasonable price
Isnt it only one legally allowed 160 Mhz channel in Australia? Let alone 240/320Mhz?
How are you going to use 3 together without interfearance?
Is this any good if you have weak internet?
It's weak if you have good internet.
Id probably steer you elsewhere. This is overkill for most people who aren't networking enthusiasts. It will be very, VERY good for wifi performance but you need to consider the wider network. This is only the access point, not router, not switch.. Any point of your network can be a bottleneck and just kills your networking performance.
If you wanted to play around with this with improving your wifi and dead set on the expensive ecosystem that is ubiquiti/unifi, maybe consider unifi's all in one solution - the dream machine 7
From there you can add this on later if you wanted to, preferably if you can pull a cable from the dream machine to this somewhere else in the house.
This is really for people with 10Gbps LAN infrastructure because our NBN is only 1Gbps at the moment (will become 2Gbps in September). To really push that WiFi 7 to ~3Gbps, you need to use 320MHz channel width in 6GHz band, so if we are talking about NAS, you need a NAS that supports 10Gbps LAN. That also means WiFi 7 is required.
The PoE++ is another challenge (PoE+ won't be sufficient).
They have Poe++ 10gb injectors for $60
Do you have the link to them?
@StiSupafly: That's US store, out of stock there and how are you going to get it here? Via a drop ship company? After you factor that cost (and I'm not sure whether the drop ship company will collect GST for our government), you are likely to be worse off than buying local.
@netsurfer: Ye I personally buy from leader n Ingram recently got a few for the $60 mark. Looks to be $74 ish from Amazon
Do you have large WIFI LAN Parties?
Do you have very dense WIFI Networks?
You'd be crazy to buy one of these for home. Unless you are like one of those people who have 3 year old brand new milkwalkee tools with no scratches :-)
Yes, because 500+ connected devices is the only feature of this premium AP.
I can’t believe Unifi spent months/years designing a AP no one with under 300+ clients should ever buy…
No clue?
So you buy it because "Unifi spent months/years designing a AP no one with under 300+ should ever buy"
Probably wouldn't want 300+ clients on one AP.
You'd also need another $100 poe++ injector. You could buy half a milwalkee battery that you'd never use with that.
But you could polish it all on the weekend.
Or buy 3 x u6+ and wifi your house and garage, if you have one.
No Barg
I don't think you are coherent mate.
U7 lite might be a better choice than U6+ at the moment. Qualcomm chipset with 2.5Gbps uplink and even if you use 1Gbps uplink for the time being, it will still work fine. Instead of U6+, I opted for el cheapo mesh nodes which basically uses the same Mediatek chipset and 2 of them were less than $95 delivered (or $130 for 3 from memory, cheaper than 1 U6+).
The 10Gbps support is what Unifi uses to entice people. The tricky bit is U7 Pro XGS's 6GHz is 2x2 (5.8 Gbps), which is actually the same as U7 Pro, but 2.5Gbps uplink on U7 Pro will reduce that. Also, there is the early adopter in AUS fee. If people can wait, the price should eventually be around $530 (should be around the same price as UniFi Dream Router 7).
Yes every time I do a service on my car I make sure to hit my impact driver on the chassis a few times ;)
i mean, 10gb network switch on your NAS, 3 -4 devices backing up at the same time.
or couple of kids doing homework and processing on the home NAS / server.
Or hosting a lan party with your own family doign minecraft or soemthing.
Would be a boon.
how about 4 different people streaming content to their TV's at the same time locally
How about the cost of all those clients devices to support it plus the 10gbe switch.
Do you have large WIFI LAN Parties?
Streaming, if your AU RSP can support it your $200 U6+ AP can.
No Barg
Nah, crazy are the people buying Wifi 7 Netgear Orbis https://www.jbhifi.com.au/search?query=orbi%20wifi%207
Or I guess me, who just ordered a Unifi E7 for home use. Although in my defence i'll be testing it to see if its as good as reported and can be used for clients to replace several older gen LR APs.
E7 would be $1000+
I would like to see your test results. :)
The pricing is a bit weird, as for some reason Ubiquiti is making the distributor in Australia require Enterprise registration to resell the E7, even though it is available as normal to everyone on the US and EU Unifi stores. A bit of a pain, but it does work out that for internal use at least, the E7 is a no-brainer over the Pro XGS (and also from a laziness point of view, I can re-use my existing Pro ceiling mount!).
the E7 is a no-brainer over the Pro XGS
Can I ask why?
Same mount.
But I still assume E7 is $1000+ so it is almost 2x price.
@SickDmith: Just the way the pricing worked out due to the weird Enterprise registration vs the normal pricing on the XGS - without giving out internal numbers from Leader, it's actually closer to the XGS pricing above than $1000.
Why would anyone ever need more than 640kb ram
Because they needed to pay people to write himem.sys and emm386
The real question is why would anyone need more than 64k mem. I hope you're "keeping up"
Anyone know if the IoT/2.4ghz issues are fixed on this new line? Only thing (outside of availability and NBN’s soon(tm) deployment) that was stopping me from investing further into their new range
Unsure but I know you can turn other bands off on the IOT network for better compatibility. Or was the 2.4ghz band the issue?
You really need to give zwave ago, I have 7 Unifi APs in my house and have been running/testing 100+ zwave and zigbee hubs, receivers, relay, curtain, blinds and sensors, etc for the past 10 years. Nothing beats reliability of Fibaro zwave hub and modules, nothing even close. Only issue with zwave is price.
In my last house with 40+ Fibaro relays behind each light switch, never had 1 single issue in the 3 years I lived there compared to all kinds of issues with Silicon Lab, TI chip zigbee dongle and conbee 2 paired with cheap but spammy zigbee devices, and 26 Aqara roller blind and curtain tracks. Yes, I've made sure zigbee channel(11) does not overlap with wifi.
Yeah I've heard that with Fibaro. Even the battery powered sensors are bang on. This was from the guy who is the AU aeotec rep.
I've got aeotec throughout the place with z-stick 5+ all flash to latest firmware but there's always been a 1 second or noticable delay with the multisensor 6. It's been rock solid but that second does matter. I've thought about zigbee but I have loads of iot devices and it does make a difference.
I got aeotec for the multisensor capability but the delay… and cost.
I'm relunctant to move away from zwave but if I do I think the next step would be: https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/human-presence-sensor
(Just tested one of these the PIR is faster and the mmwave is pretty damn close in HA). You can also modify it to add a BME280 which works but it takes a while…)
I do have one of the early 3D printed pir+mmWave sensor, it works great if you have somewhere to place them. I've got 40 x Tuya 5.8g presence sensors through the whole house paired with Conbee 2 nowadays, all hidden in the ceiling, but they can be ceiling mounted if you don't mind the look.
Re the zwave sensors, you're absolutely right, I still have 3 Fibaro x in 1 sensors from 2016 running and they are really instantaneous, I've also DIYed a couple of Fibaro contact sensor to power them through a 12v adaptor instead of battery for my garage doors. And I still have a few square Aeotec sensors eating dust, same experience as you, just not worth the hassle.
Reasons I went with Tuya sensors:
1. cleaner look being hidden in the roof.
2. 12v powered vs battery. They do have 240v version if you can get a sparky to install them for you.
3. mmWave sensor vs PIR opens up a lot more automation possibilities.
This zigbee combination is relatively trouble free compared to Aeotec zwave and other zigbee options I've tried. I just turn on watchdog in HA and schedule a auto reboot every week.
I've got 15 PIR sensors in the house hooked up to the DSC alarm system via Envisalink, so they can be intergrated into HA. they've been working flawlessly for the past 2 houses and 5 years for me too.
I've testes over a dozen different kind of sensor, these are some of them I've tested long term through out the past few years: https://imgur.com/a/i5qnP5Z
@MinuteRepeater: Can you please provide a link to Tuya 5.8g presence sensors. These are PIR & mmwave? They'd also need to be local not tuya cloud.
Yes they need to be mounted in the gyprock ceiling preferably with housing but that could be 3d printed. Unfortunately the ones I mentioned are chunky but if mounted correctly the mmwave can go through gyprock.
mmwave is the way to go but can be slower than PIR, so both are needed. Automations can be created to optimal effect using both.
Any thoughts would be great. I see you have the Irish guys all in one sensor which should be great but it would cook. Offests would work there too.
@barg99: All mine are just put directed on top of gyprock and they work great through it, and no slower than the Fibaro or DSC PIR sensors. I've compared them head to head in one of the area with 2 lights automated by 2 sensors. I can't tell the speed difference.
I saying that, you're correct, PIR still has it's place. For example in my home theater, I want PIR to turn the lights on and mmWave to turn the light off so I can have a doze in there with the lights off. In area like hallway, living, storage, bath and WIR, etc, a single mmWave sensor will do in my case(for the purpose of home automation).
Another plus side of these mmWave sensor is you can fine tune the sensitivity and detection range however you want to meet your needs.
Yes they are all zigbee and on you can config zigbee2mqtt, ZHA or deconz to their own VLAN that can't talk to the outside world.
Out of all thees, the Irish guy's sensor and Aqara are most expensive. Aqara is just rubbish, Iris guys' very responsive but it's Wifi and I don't have 40 x suitable spot to hide the wires and place them through the house.
On a side note, If you want to give the Athom sensor a go, just buy one and test. I did have the original Athom Home Pro, wasn't a good experience, very unreliable zwave and zigbee network compared to Fiabro and Conbee 2. If you do decide to go the zigbee route, I highly recommend Conbee 2. I've tried POE/USB CC2652P(SLZB06, Sonoff), CC2652P7(Zigstar), efr32mg21(sonoff and conbee 3) and Conbee 2 each for over 2 weeks, not to mention the OG CC2531. In my house, conbee 2 was the most responsive and stable, I bought 4 of them in case they get discontinued.
As for link to my one, the links expired. These ones(1, 2) look the same as the ones I'm running, I'd sugguest try one for a week before buying in bulk.
On U7 Pro / U7 Pro Wall, Ehanced IoT Connectivity (the so called 'fix') has been added for some time. I expect U7 Pro XGS would have that as well. That said, I currently don't turn it on.
I have U7 Pro series gears setup to do WiFi 7 / 6E. I have non-UniFi devices as WiFi 6 access points (and service IoT devices). Reason for going non-UniFi (despite having mostly UniFi network gears) is those were / are dirt cheap and I am not keen to buy U6 Pro APs at current RRP (and too lazy to buy U6 Pros from Facebook Marketplace). My el cheapo 3rd party access points do support OpenWRT so VLANs, multiple SSIDs and IPv6 (needed for Matter) all work.
If you let me know how to test / verify the issue is fixed, I am happy to run a test on my U7 Pro Wall.
I have enabled the enhanced IoT compatibility option, I can confirm no issue so far
I am running U7 Pro, (R2D2 UDM host, with PoE+ injector),
in an Apple HomeKit + Matter/Thread environment, I have an IoT VLan, and a separate IoT SSID,
just under 20 devices, bulbs, lightstrips, smart plug w/ energy monitor and speakers
When enhanced IoT compatibility is turned on:
Since most of us would setup an IoT and block it from access to trusted VLAN, it should be fine.
I also have an IoT VLAN and a separte IoT SSID, which is separate to the main VLAN. I have all the IoT equipment on IoT VLAN, but I'm getting random communication error from my iphone which is on the main VLAN to the IoT VLAN. Any recommendations?
Bear in mind, this XGS requires PoE++ to power, not sure there are many PoE++ with 10GbE back haul
current PoE++ injector is only at 1GbE
there is a 10GbE version but I have not seen it available anywhere :/
Ubiquiti UACC-PoE++-10G:
Device Deal (VIC), JW Computer (NSW). Other stores have it too. Those 2 stores allow pickup I think. TechGeeks is another option.
TP-Link POE380S:
Amazon AU
Bear in mind that since the fastest WiFi speed requires 6GHz band (320MHz channel width), it is unlikely 1 access point is going to be enough. Once you decide that you need 2 or more, 2x PoE++ injectors may not be ideal.
"buy once, cry once".
Or - the other option: Save your tears and $600.
Suggesting for replacing 2x nanohds?
u7 lite
u6-pro around $200 on ebay. Looks like overall better than U7-lite
2 x 2 (DL/UL MU-MIMO) on U7-lite vs 4 x 4 (DL/UL MU-MIMO) on U6-Pro
4x4 is only useful for most people if you have the need to do WiFi mesh (i.e. you cannot use wired so 2x2 + 2x2 (for WiFi backhaul) can be useful), but if that's the main use case, there are better options (tri-band or quad band mesh kits).
With NBN upgrade coming (in September), if buying new, might be better to consider 2.5Gbps uplink for APs. In 2x2 mode (most clients operate on 2x2), U7 Lite (BW160) is 2.66 Gbps max, U6 Pro is 2.4 Gbps max (but U7 Lite on WiFi 6 devices also max out on 2.4Gbps). However, in real life usage, with 2x2 clients, there is little difference. Neither really goes over 1Gbps through WiFi in normal usage. U7 Lite could go above 1Gbps in real life if you use WiFi 7 based devices and is close enough to it.
@netsurfer: Well, 4x4 Mimo is not only for backhaul. You have more antennas, stronger signal, better wall penetration and coverage.
You also have more streams with it, which is supported in WiFi6. To put is simple, more MIMO equals more devices that are simultaneously connected to the AP without interfearing/waiting for each other.
While U7 lite can exceed 1Gbps its only for the latest devices that support WiFi 7 and if you have just that one device using it. Given that WIFI7 standard is NOT ratified yet and still in draft mode, its only a number of devices that support it.
However, if you have a mix of wifi clients that use WiFi simulteneously, more MIMO woiuld be benefitial.
@Pest85: Tim Higgins from SmallNetBuilder wrote an article "Why You Don’t Need MU-MIMO"… The key points:
The thing with MU-MIMO is that the devices need to operate in that mode (there is overhead to initiate it). And, if you have 4 clients doing MU-MIMO, they are doing 4 of 1x1. How about 6? And, how about clients not doing MIMO (very common), starve them?
Also, I am quoting a feedback from someone who own both:
I had both the U6 Pro and U7 Lite in the same location to test signal strength of a client 50+ feet away. The U7 lite had noticeably better signal (10db or so) regardless of how I placed the unit. I tried placing it on a wall, ceiling, rotated, on a table, etc., and I couldn't find a way that the U6 Pro bested the U7 lite. That being said, I was only concerned with performance of that one client, so I didn't even consider how other clients closer to the AP fared.
U7 Lite has a newer Qualcomm chipset. U6 Pro second hand at $200 means minor scratches and only just the mounting plate (no screws). I am not recommending U7 Pro yet because if you really push it to operate in max speed WiFi 7 setup (mandatory WPA3), it does cause issues for really old devices. Also, U7 Pro not having 10Gbps uplink port does cripple its WiFi 7 6GHz top speed. If you can get U6 Pro at $120-$150, then it's a different story.
I am keen to get a U6 Pro dirt cheap to compare it against U7 Lite, but not at $200 because I have multiple WiFi 6 4x4 routers which I can easily run them as access points and they ALL have 2.5Gbps port(s).
@netsurfer: It's interesting to read that feedback comparing the signal strength of the U7 Lite and U6 Pro. Having moved into a new house in Januaray I tried all sorts to try and make the U7 Pro work (firmware, settings, location), but in the end gave up and fell back to a U6 Pro which consistently had a stronger signal in the same setup. I know the U7 Lite is newer, but I wouldn't expect it would be that much better than the U7 Pro.
Try the tplink stuff. In my experience, just as good as as ubiquiti, but much cheaper.
For most people the eap723 would be just as good as this. For those people that need help with gh density, they have their HD range which in my experience has been great as well.
TPLink could be a good one if you start from scratch.
When you already have ubiquiti infrastriucture its harder to switch and quite costly to replace everything at once.
I have 3 AP's and upgraded 2 of those for U6-Pro (from AP AC LR) but it took me a couple of months so the $$$ hit wasnt that bad. Moving to TP-Link would require me to replace all 3 at once
Stability and performance increase when using Ubiquiti?
It's the home users enterprise wifi gear.
I haven't own tp-link AP so can't say there but synthetic tests shown pretty much the same results for the tp-link omada and unifi. I would assume stability would be ok as well.
Moreover, I've tried openwrt and had the similar results as unifi with a much lower price. However, multiple AP Support is much much much better on ubiquiti side.
I've used both extensively. I am a network engineer by trade and have installed multi million dollar networks.
I would say tplink omada and ubiquiti they're about on par from a stability and performance perspective.
@butter: Yeah, I haven't actually used any of the Omada gear, but have been setting up Unifi gear for clients since the first gen APs, and from everything I've read they are pretty on par performance and reliability wise. I'm not sure if the TP-Link management is as mature though?
@Arsenal: To be honest, I prefer the omada mgmt over ubiquiti. It's just simpler and more to the point.
I also like the fact that for the omada kit, you can also run it in autonomous mode without needing to install any software.
Annoying part is, would buy three of these IF I could get the new 10 port 10gbe XG Switch.. But told thats months off in Aus.