Café’s Using Automated Milk Frothing Machines

We are a nation that loves our coffee. Most of us will visit a cafe weekly, some of us daily (or multiple times a day. I’ve noticed that newer and more busy cafes have begun to switch to automated milk frothing machines.

If you don’t know what they are, here’s an example. They auto measure, heat and froth a pre-set amount of milk for baristas to pour out your favourite milky coffee, all very quickly and generally very consistently. Baristas need not the skill to perfectly steam oat, soy, or almond milk which tend to be more difficult than full cream milk. But they aren’t cheap, and cost a cool $14k each - most cafes with these have 2 so they can pump out your favourite milk alternative as well.

While they have upsides, like reduced waste, there are downsides to these machines as well. Less jobs, perhaps no ‘character’, and I feel the milk texture is sometimes lacking.

The question is, does a cafe using an automated milk frother turn your patronage elsewhere? Or do you prefer the consistency? Assuming cost is usually the same as other cafes, since they usually are.

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  • +5

    Less jobs

    Why would it be less jobs? You could argue it's less experienced baristas, more-so probably just the owner etc who's making the coffees, rather than a trained barista who would prefer to froth the milk by hand, but unlikely to be fewer jobs as a result.

    Can't say I've witnessed these any where though

    Would be good for a smaller operation, the ones where you walk in and hear the 'barista' burning the milk, or the sound of the milk screaming because they don't know how to properly froth it. Cost of the unit would likely be prohibitive, though they'd likely just be renting/leasing it anyway (as well as the coffee machine itself)

    • -1

      Less experienced baristas is what I was thinking.

      • There is still time to change your post….

        • The other could still be true

  • -2
    Suggested I just want milk that tastes like real milk

    milk me

    • Wrong website you’re looking for OzHub

      • Do you know where I can find a step barista?

  • +3

    and generally very consistently

    This is why they use them

    The question is, does a cafe using an automated milk frother turn your patronage elsewhere? Or do you prefer the consistency?

    I prefer a place that has consistence good coffee, so if they need to use a machine, so be it.

                          • +5

                            @HuzzahIndeed: When you start resorting to offtopic unrelated insulting claims, you've lost the argument.
                            It's just coffee, no-one cares.

                          • +4

                            @HuzzahIndeed:

                            Still pointlessly arguing about nothing I see, I think it’s clear that arguing for no reason is what you’re in this for, no woman available to touch your penis tonight? This demonstrates everywhere you have gone wrong in this discussion. I asked you a fair question in my original reply to your original comment which was - “If you prefer a place with consistence good coffee, then surely you have picked out your favourite cafés to regularly visit that already have great baristas that know how to froth milk well and properly every time?”

                            I love how you fit the exact stereotype of self-professed "coffee snobs" being self-obsessed (profanity).

                          • +4

                            @HuzzahIndeed:

                            If you had simply answered it,

                            See this is your problem, you think you people owe you something. When you can't acknowledge or agreed with anyone else all while screaming they should be doing the same to you.

                              • @HuzzahIndeed:

                                That’s exactly what I feel is your problem

                                Nah mate, you replied to my sub thread, and didn't acknowledge or agree with that I said, instead have only said I was wrong. So no, it is a you problem.

                                At the end of the day, by your own admission you’re not even really a coffee enthusiast

                                Things I never said. So comprehension isn't your thing I see, guess that is why you put people down to make you feel better.

                                  • +1

                                    @HuzzahIndeed:

                                    It’s a bit strange of you to get upset when someone quotes you to have an honest discussion about what you had said?

                                    There was never a chance of a honest discussion to be had, you started out only to lecture me on coffee, where I live, where I should be buying coffee, who should be making my coffee. Then why I don't have an amazing coffee place within a 5 min walk of my work and so on.

                                    This is NOT a discussion. If it was, you would have at some point agreed with something I've said, but you haven't. Instead you double down with insults.

                                    My comprehension is just fine

                                    Its not, you seem to invent a lot of things that you THINK I've said, but haven't said.

                                    rather than reflecting

                                    Have you reflected on your posts? Looking at them above, it would seem a few don't don't agree with you, and even the mods have removed one of your posts for personal attacks. Might be you that needs some reflecting.

                                      • @Clear: Yes seems to have some crazy hang up on where people live indeed.

                                        LOL So they are just a keyboard warrior, all talk and didn't show? Sounds about right.

                              • +4

                                @HuzzahIndeed: Do you have a big ass sound system in your apartment by any chance?

    • +1

      As a former barista and coffee aficionado, consistency is everything. While I am a snob and admit I have almost no tolerance for a bad coffee, I think it's pretty standard across the board for people who value their cup of joe to want to trust they're getting what they expect. Especially when coffee is circling $7 for a 12oz, overcooked / over heated milk is pretty unforgivable when there is so much competition in the marketplace. UberMilk and the like ensure this practically every time. I love to see a skilled barista working the milk but I'm equally as happy to see an autofrother in operation. At least for now it's a sign that the place values consistency, has high throughput and cares about their product.

      I'd rather go to a spot that delivers an 8/10 coffee every time than one that can give me a 9/10 once in every ten visits (they'd never get that far as I wouldn't go back).

      • consistency is everything.

        Agreed

        I'd rather go to a spot that delivers an 8/10 coffee every time than one that can give me a 9/10 once in every ten visits (they'd never get that far as I wouldn't go back).

        Agreed, I would rather a consistency good coffee every time, than roll the dice and get a 10/10 one time and a 6/10 another time.

  • +1

    How much cheaper would my coffee be using the machine?

    • +3

      Cheaper?

    • Difference in labour: about A $0.14 cheaper per drink using the automatic frother. Let’s amortise the A $14,000 frother over 5 years at, say, 250 working days/year, 200 drinks/day → 250 000 drinks total: Cost per drink = 14 000 / 250 000 = A $0.056 (~5½ c). So per cup, an automatic milk‑steamer runs about 10¢ cheaper than traditional steam‑wand steaming—thanks mainly to saved staff time. There will be additional savings in not having to train staff on how to steam milk properly too.

      • Even more savings from reduced wasted milk plus happier customers with a more consistent product.

  • +12

    The cutie Vietnamese baddie barista could spit in my morning quadruple shot zymil cappuccino and I would still go back. It’s not really so much about the coffee for me.

    • -2

      The cutie Vietnamese baddie barista

      @MrsWongingtons

    • +2

      Maybe you won't want the frothing machines because steaming milk is one of the few processes where they are more free to chat.

      • A good machine will steam 500g ~ 600g of milk in under 20 seconds. Not much scope for chatting. ;-) 😉

        Paying with a handful of coins will buy you more time to chat. :-O 😮

    • The cutie Vietnamese baddie barista………..

      Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere?

  • +2

    If you're a snob this will turn you away. But it should just make coffee more consistent and taste better imo.

  • +2

    Only buy coffee on holidays, it's getting a rip though $6 plus a pop, was $10 last year in Copenhagen.

    • Copenhagen has a decent standard of living to support :)

      It's been that expensive forever in the Scandic / Nordic countries. Finland the exception in my experience.

      • Was cheaper in other areas of Denmark than Copenhagen, more comparable to here.

  • +3

    So uber millk or other things you have mentioned, actually produce really good steamed milk, they serve the exact amount as well so there is less wastage for the business.
    It allows baristas to focus on other things, better service, better care, and more importantly consistency.

    Coffee when initially dialed in the morning tastes as close as how the barista wants it served. The challenge is keeping this consistent.

    There are machines now where grinders and the espresso machine will "talk" to each other and adjust as the service goes to maintain a certain ratio within time. This isn't exactly foolproof, but it helps in a busy environment if lets say a new bag is opened that might have a slightly different roast date leading to different results and a minor adjustment is needed.

    Steaming milk? Its really not that hard, I would hardly call a cafe quality or not based on how they choose to steam their milk. You might have a preferred temperature of the milk but what if I told you asking for the extra hot latte is causing your milk protein to breakdown further and produce a worser result.

    From a business standpoint, the uber milk produces less waste, same quality of steamed milk if not more consistent, perfect temperature each time. It allows the people who are working to focus on other things even when getting slammed.

  • +4

    Great IMO. I used to frequent a different (very popular / trendy) café for my daily fix but they always rushed the orders (positive: nice quick service) and the milk was never very hot and never consistent. I go to a different place now that has some kind of milk machine and it's always nice and hot and always the same temperature.

  • +2

    I saw these first time in NZ last week. I was paying $6.50 for a flat white there. My point is that if the machina is gonna grind, press the coffee, brew it and then milk is gonna come out at the press of a button, how is it different from any petrol station machine coffee? I am paying someone $4 to stand there and press buttons?

    • +1

      My point is that if the machina is gonna grind, press the coffee, brew it and then milk is gonna come out at the press of a button, how is it different from any petrol station machine coffee? I am paying someone $4 to stand there and press buttons?

      You're paying for artisan coffee beans (which are more expensive), cafe quality milk, location (I assume the cafe is in some busy city location, and the petrol station is in the middle of nowhere along a highway), infrastructure, a pleasant place to sit and wait or consume your coffee…etc.

      At the end of the day, you're paying money for the drink. If you enjoy the drink, who cares who or what makes it.

      • Huzzah cares.

        He only goes places where the people making his coffee touch his penis.

      • +1

        can you expand on this "cafe quality milk"? all the cafe's i've seen using milk have just had containers of what looked like the same milk I could buy at the supermarket - they just bought in bulk… do some of these cafe's have regular, almond and soy cows out the back or something? ;)

  • Suggested I want coffee made by Jimothy wongingtons cutie Vietnamese baddie barista

    I hope this answers the question.

  • +3

    While they have upsides, like reduced waste, there are downsides to these machines as well. Less jobs, perhaps no ‘character’, and I feel the milk texture is sometimes lacking.

    Do you prefer a cafe use a hand grinder, and a manual (hand) espresso machine as well, or are the automatic ones okay? If you are, then why do you draw the line at the milk?

    FWIW, you sound awfully fussy for someone who drinks coffee with milk. All the serious coffee drinkers would take a double espresso anyway, so who cares about the milk.

    • If every step but loading and pressing the espresso button is automated, we could install robotic arms to do all the steps of the coffee making. Or we could just get 7-eleven coffees instead.

      • +1

        You never answered my question - why is milk frothing something that has to be done by hand whilst grinding and pulling a shot can be machine automated?

        Or we could just get 7-eleven coffees instead.

        Maybe we should.

  • +2

    Some corrections:

    Cafes, not cafe's.

    "Fewer jobs", not "less jobs".

    In answer to the question: I'm all for increasing employment, but I don't think an automatic milk frother is going to make much difference to overall employment figures.

    Also, in terms of caring, most people would not even know, let alone care what or who froths their milk, foams their froth, or frappes their jizz.

  • +1

    My cafe perfetto:
    1 buys best beans available (stores them properly) or roasts their own.
    (My pet hate? Stale or not-ready beans)
    2 has a screen with options. I press strength: 10/10. long black. extra hot. ‘People’ somehow get this wrong about half the time even when not busy.
    3 charges less if I provide cup
    4 whether auto everything or not, charges $4-6 based on their location eg suburban or say airport.

  • +2
    Suggested Can they just froth the milk for me and I add my own Blend 43?

    Can they just froth the milk for me and I add my own Blend 43?

  • +1

    What about factoring employment for designing, developing and manufacturing of these machines.

    • Nope! Just like AI, they magically appear out of nowhere, and definitely not built by thousands of skilled people behind the scenes.

  • +1

    As someone who froths a lot of alternative milk (they are hell) and the pain they bring to latte art for newbies like me, I support the movement.

    I like pulling my own shots and frothing my own milk, because it’s my hobby and I think it reduces my stress and give me joy, science also says so

    In a cafe setting though this stuff becomes a chore in a high pace environment. I also support fully automated grinders and tamping. I will do my stuff manual and hopefully so will my small local cafe, but it will be good to help baristas in other settings pulling shots all the time :-)

  • +1

    My experience is they do excellent milk, unlike many baristas. I'd be more likely to avoid a place that doesn't invest in a machine.

  • These are such good poll options, I don't know which one to pick

    • Come up with your own.

  • +2

    It might sound stupid but I always get my coffee at 7/11 because it always meets a minimum standard. Asking for a flat white at other places where a human is involved and often I'll get a 1/4 to 1/3 of the cup as frothed milk.

  • +1
    Suggested I only drink coffee at home because it's much better than what you get from most (all) shops.

    Most coffee shops don't mass produce good coffee. Over the years I've grown more selective in what I drink and also more proficient at making great coffee at home. These days, I find it difficult to buy a cup of coffee that is good enough. When I do drink out, I usually watch a barista work before deciding to buy. You can tell a lot by their technique and cleaning practices.

    As far as milk goes, I usually order ristretto, macchiato, or cortado. No milk in the first one, one teaspoon of froth on the second one and only a few ml of milk on the last one, so a frothing machine won't help in that case. If a barista does not know what those drinks are, then they are not trained well enough to bother ordering.

    Yeah, I'm a card carrying Coffee Snob. I'd rather have a glass of tap water than a bad coffee.

    • I usually watch a barista work before deciding to buy. You can tell a lot by their technique and cleaning practices.

      Must be weird when you go behind the counter and tell them that "you like to watch" before you "pay for the goods".

      • I try to be subtle about it and stand to the side and a bit back, out of the way. If the staff ask me, I just tell them that I like to see how coffee is made. It's never caused a problem, but certainly saved me from paying for coffees that would have been like dish water.

        Sometimes observing a barista and complimenting them on their routine can start a conversation. For example, one of the baristas at The Steam Engine at Chatswood station backflushes after every shot. That was a great starter topic to start talking about coffee and in the end the barista went to extra effort to produce a good shot for me, rather than bang out another average pull.

  • +1

    These have been on the scene for years now, feel like I first saw them 6 years ago? They do a perfectly acceptable job IMO.

    However I don't see them that often and I have seen some cafes use them and then a few months later they are gone. So I imagine there must be some sort of turn off to the price as it smells like some cafes doing some sort of trial for cheap.

    Either way, doesn't bother me. If the cafe makes a great tasting coffee then I don't care how it is made.

  • +2

    Oh god, most people are worrying about revolutionary new technology like AI taking jobs.

    You are worried about automated milk frothers taking jobs.

    This is new-tech-fearmongering at its best. What if I want to be a carrier pigeon trainer but all this new tangled telephone bullshit is stealing my job?

    Just pay money, enjoy good coffee, and feel good about the fact that we live a life where we can afford to spend money on good coffee.

  • For 14k, surely these machines should brew the coffee too.

  • I like it. You always get consistent coffee.

  • I wouldn't buy a coffee from a cafe using an automated frother

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