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Hard Drive - Western Digital NAS 3.5" 5400RPM 4TB 64MB Cache 3 Year Warranty $207 @ Centre Com

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Hard Drive - Western Digital NAS 3.5" 5400RPM 4TB 64MB Cache 3 Year Warranty $207 @ Centre Com
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robbie613 on 25/04/2014 - 00:16 centrecom.com.au (1077 clicks)
Last edited 25/04/2014 - 01:53 by 3 other users

If you are in the market for hard disks you know what these are. Specifically designed for torrent-leeching, video-capturing, must-download-every-you-tube-video-ever-made people like me and you. I've been waiting for a good offer like this to come up to replace my aging 2TB WD green, which died last week :(

Limit of 2 per customer = Max of 8TB per order :P

$7.20 local shipping (VIC)

Best Price on:
staticice.com.au $228
ebay.com.au $253
newegg.com $199 USD
amazon.com $184 USD

Buy some and flog 'em on ebay if you're bored!

If you prefer Seagate, here's a good deal:
Seagate Barracuda 4TB 5900RPM 64MB SATA3/6Gb $187
or cheap SSDs:
SanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB SSD $79
Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB (SV300S37A/120G) 2.5" SSD $90
Deals end on: 28/04/2014 7:00:00 AM

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  • easternculture on 25/04/2014 - 00:19
    +5

    buy some and flog 'em on ebay if you're bored!

    Not worth the hassle after eBay and PayPal fees

  • jv on 25/04/2014 - 00:23

    to replace my ageing 2TB WD green, which died last week

    a bit noisier than green drives, but they run quite cool…

    • Draxxx on 25/04/2014 - 11:42
      +4

      My Red is silent

      • dafatha on 25/04/2014 - 12:38
        +2

        yeah my red is silent as well, but my WD black gets quite loud.

      • megadeth on 25/04/2014 - 16:13
        +1

        Yes. 5400rpm is supposed to be offering slower data transfer, run cooler/quieter vs a 7200rpm or 5900rpm drive.

  • Gnostikos on 25/04/2014 - 00:26

    Lowest price so far for a 4TB WD Red with local stock. Though 4TB internals have been been $157 delivered before.

    I guess some people may pay a premium for the false sense of security that comes with WD and "enterprise drives", but usually these are going straight into redundant RAID arrays in somebody's NAS or mini-server where performance is not really a concern and redundancy is taken care of.

    • jv on 25/04/2014 - 00:31
      +1

      the false sense of security that comes with WD and "enterprise drives"

      These aren't "enterprise drives"…

      • Gnostikos on 25/04/2014 - 00:34
        +3

        Semantics.

        They're designed for so-called 24/7 operation and power efficiency, i.e. enterprise drives. More accurately you could say Red's are "entry-level" enterprise drives. Or even more accurately, "20% markup for no real reason drives".

        Ideal for:
        Specifically designed and tested for small office and home office, 1-5 bay NAS systems, small media servers and PCs with RAID.

        • jv on 25/04/2014 - 00:43
          +3

          "20% markup for no real reason drives".

          well my 2 red drives have been running 24x7 for a couple of years now…

          disk one is 34C and disk two is 33C…

          my black drive is currently running at 51C

        • SickDmith on 25/04/2014 - 00:56
          +3

          Marketing…

          I can't see any difference between Green and Red other than firmware… Agreed with "no reason markup". But now WD reduced warranty on Green ones down to 2 years.

          Used both Green and Red in my NAS with similar success - I like them. They are slow (anyway network is a bottleneck) but cool and quiet (7200K drives are much hotter and noisier).

          Nothing to do with "enterprise" drives though (unless enterprise models are similar crap).

        • Gnostikos on 25/04/2014 - 01:22
          +2

          well my 2 red drives have been running 24x7 for a couple of years now…

          I have PATA HDDs from the 1990's that still work (something like +70,000 power-on hours). Individual experiences don't really mean much. You need a collective sample to get an idea of real trends.

          As I previously linked, BackBlaze did a study on their armada of 25,000 hard drives that have run for a combined 14,000 years and found that there was no difference, if not a slight bias for consumer drives, in terms of reliability.

          disk one is 34C and disk two is 33C…

          my black drive is currently running at 51C

          Because their spindle speeds are slower and because they spin-down frequently and have less current running through them.

          By the way, 51C is a tad on the high side, especially if that temp is sustained for hours. I had a Seagate that was running around 50C all summer and it started giving me a failed SMART Temp attribute (though it's still working; knock wood).

        • ozdesi on 25/04/2014 - 08:35
          -4

          jv really likes and sits on his black drive to raise temp

        • stuckster on 25/04/2014 - 12:05
          +2

          The WD Red is basically the same drive as a WD Green, with the important distinction that it has TLER and RAID optimized firmware.

          So yeah only firmware changes but very important changes for 24/7 operation in a raid environment. I would never run Greens in a NAS.

        • snuke on 25/04/2014 - 14:13
          +1

          That BackBlaze report is floored re consumer vs enterprise, see this article - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/backblaze_how_not_to…

        • IamEzza on 25/04/2014 - 15:37
          +5

          The problem is that Green drives have a super aggressive head parking algorithm so if they are left running in a 24/7 situation they will accumulate thousands of head parks over time, which may eventually lead to failure. If you have a quiet computer you can actually hear the drive constantly parking the head and then re-engaging again.
          Red drives don't do this so are more suited to long term 24/7 operation.

          They also have the RAID optimisation to stop them falling out of a RAID array by taking too long to fix an error. So they are obviously better for running in RAID arrays.

        • Gnostikos on 25/04/2014 - 16:14

          That BackBlaze report is floored re consumer vs enterprise, see this article - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/17/backblaze_how_not_to…

          Did you even read that?

          To me that article does nothing but solidify the fact that Enterprise drives are all smoke and mirrors; look at the part where they admit that despite only running for a combined 368 drive-years of service, the enterprise HDDs had a higher failure rate compared to the consumer ones which have run for much, MUCH longer (14,719 drive-years of service).

          So they've run for less time and failed more often than consumer HDDs that have run for 14,000 more years?

          Yep, definitely showing their superiority there. Are we supposed to assume they'll become more reliable with another 5 years of service per drive? Highly unlikely. Hard drives that do not fail in the first 2 years of operation generally will last as long the lifespan of their mechanical components.

          Either way, their miniscule firmware improvements do not justify the increased markups.

        • Diji1 on 25/04/2014 - 18:24

          flawed as well

        • Diji1 on 25/04/2014 - 18:33
          +1

          I like it how you ask if he even read the article then use the flawed reasoning they pointed out in the article in it to bolster your own argument LOL.

        • nicksinternet on 25/04/2014 - 18:40
          +3

          Been running GREEN in my NAS since before WD even 'invented' the RED. They are still running great 24x7x365.

          Smells of jumping on the NAS trend of the last couple of years for marketing to me.

        • SickDmith on 25/04/2014 - 23:43
          +1

          Out of the factory Greens park heads after 7 seconds and Reds after 300 seconds.

          wdidle3 utility can modify head parking delay. Which solves the issue. I am still not sure if it makes Green drives Red. :)

        • megadeth on 26/04/2014 - 11:17

          The utility doesn't reduce the drive speed though unfortunately :-)

        • SickDmith on 27/04/2014 - 03:03

          I can use fast drives with no problems - no need to reduce speed. :)

  • naphman on 25/04/2014 - 01:21
    +2

    Gonna jinx myself with this one but,…….

    Any current ( in the last 4 years) standard or green drive I've encountered has left me cold and hung out after around 1-2 years.

    The reds since day one of their release, still goin strong.

    With the company I work at, standard purchase 70-100 drives in a hit, typically used like floppies. So we see a lot of types and uses.

    But I guess that's why there is Pepsi and coke…..some like one type and hate the rest,
    Though I miss the Samsung 'F' drives before Seagate ruined it all by buying them….they actually were brill.

    • naphman on 25/04/2014 - 01:24

      EDIT. HMMM though the reds are just on 2 years soon. Soi I guess I might havta eat my words!

      Crosses fingers not.

      Funny though, turned on and old ''my book" 250gb years and years old - still works a treat!
      I wonder if any current gen will fire up in 5 years of on and off usage.

    • T1OOO on 25/04/2014 - 01:28
      +2

      If ur buying 70 drives and they all stuffed up after 1-2 years then ur going something wrong there. Try turning on the air con and not runing then at 100000 degrees.

      • naphman on 25/04/2014 - 07:48
        +1

        Ahhhh true, but we run them to 'home usage specs' and I guess we do move then in and out of cradles a fair whack.

        Where I was trying to go in my half sleep ramble, is that all my comparison with work/home/friends drive usage encompassing the whole lot in thought, typically mid-range drives will only last 1-2 years now. Not like the ones of old.

        I've still got a 'micro-science' 120MEG drive with a data-table print out on top if the 'bad-sectors' that still spins up. It's from around 1990s. No problems and scary enough still tfers files fine.

        I'd bet no current drive will work in 20-25 years.

  • T1OOO on 25/04/2014 - 01:25
    +1

    No love for red drives at all. Greens are more than fine.

  • Owler on 25/04/2014 - 01:31
    +1

    WD Green 4TB is $185 at Umart. Near enough the same as the Seagate 4TB in the deal.

    • debo on 25/04/2014 - 13:00

      just bought one for a friend - turns out to be same price as the 3TB i bought exactly 12 months ago!

  • philbobaggins on 25/04/2014 - 02:40

    If I wanted to build a non-raid nas, would greens be ok? or should I buy these?

    • Lord Fart Bucket on 25/04/2014 - 06:01
      +1

      Greens are fine for that. Why non raid though?

      • f4te on 25/04/2014 - 08:28

        If one HDD fails in a RAID5 array and then another one fails during the RAID rebuild (which I'm told is very likely), you've lost everything. RAID6 for me just isn't worth the extra wasted drive.

        I'm looking at SnapRAID (http://snapraid.sourceforge.net/compare.html) so if one/two HDDs fail I can still access all my data and only lose what was on the failed drive. It also means not all disks need to be spinning constantly.

        • Lord Fart Bucket on 25/04/2014 - 09:56

          I'm running a synology on SynoRaid2. 2 drives die, system still runs. No loss of data.

          If a hard drives stops spinning and starts again, IMHO it would be more prone to failure. Laws of physics state that an object in motion wants to keep that motion. From personal experience, drives die on start up, not while being "on" (spinning) (- unless you have vibration issues, but that's another story).

          The reds do run at a lower temp. My server's been up for 35 days (last restart due to system upgrade) and the discs are all 33-35 degrees.

          Yes, on rebuild there is a bigger chance of failure, drives then need to work overtime to restore (note that a rebuild of my system last time took 4 days (after a green drive died, replaced with another red) - synology have a very low rebuilt restriction - which can be bypassed). The chance of failure during rebuilt isn't a LOT bigger, just a bit.

          Whatever you do, make sure you get drives that were manufactured in different months. There have been bad batches in the past, you don't want all your drives to be a bad batch. There's manufacturing date on the sticker. I tend to buy my drives from different suppliers too (capitol square computer shops in sydney - lots of choice, all roughly same price).

          And the best advice i can give you… have a back up of your important stuff. Yes, lots of things can be re-obtained through downloads… but if you store photos/docs/whatever… have a backup, preferably off site at a friend/relative place (or using a cloud service). If your house burns down or is broken into, a back up in the same location isn't much use.

          Minor edit: I have found that software raids are quite slow. It might be worth looking at a promise raid card if you're after write speed (and you don't want to spend on a decent NAS).

        • rhangman on 25/04/2014 - 10:29

          Had that transferring from an old server with greens to my new server. Drive reports a read error and it gets kicked and the rebuild fails. Read the same sector with hdparm no problem. Anyway, since the drive was actually ok, just cloned it, then rebuilt. Didn't lose a single byte. But yeah, definitely risky.

          Now running raidz2 with red/seagate nas drives.

          As for temperatures. Runs a bit hotter with 24 of them in a 4U case.
          /dev/sdc: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 37°C
          /dev/sdd: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 37°C
          /dev/sde: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 38°C
          /dev/sdf: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 37°C
          /dev/sdg: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 36°C
          /dev/sdh: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 37°C
          /dev/sdi: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 37°C
          /dev/sdj: ST3000VN000-1H4167: 36°C
          /dev/sdk: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 39°C
          /dev/sdl: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 41°C
          /dev/sdm: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 40°C
          /dev/sdn: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 39°C
          /dev/sdo: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 38°C
          /dev/sdp: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 40°C
          /dev/sdq: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 39°C
          /dev/sdr: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 38°C
          /dev/sds: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 36°C
          /dev/sdt: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 36°C
          /dev/sdu: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 37°C
          /dev/sdv: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 37°C
          /dev/sdw: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 37°C
          /dev/sdx: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 38°C
          /dev/sdy: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 37°C
          /dev/sdz: WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0: 36°C

          @$207 and only an extra TB, I won't be swapping out my 3's yet.

        • Lord Fart Bucket on 25/04/2014 - 10:37

          Yeah, running 3tbs in my NAS, see no reason to replace yet. In my case, it would be cheaper to buy an expansion unit and load it up.

        • Legion on 25/04/2014 - 16:01

          The rebuild time on software base raid is based on the CPU in the nas, so no matter whether it is a low end synology or low end qnap a rebuild will take awhile. In my synology a swap in of a 4tb drive took about 20 hours including the expansion operation a straight rebuild is quicker. The newer versions of dsm have sped up these operations a bit.

        • Lord Fart Bucket on 25/04/2014 - 16:22

          Yes… but the synology has the speed limit set to some idiotic low amount.
          /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min is by default set to 1000. During a rebuilt i bump it up to 50000. With 7 times 3TB in a DS1812+, it helps. It brings the rebuilt down to a couple of days, rather than just over a week.

          Must admit, haven't had to do a rebuilt under DSM5.

        • Legion on 25/04/2014 - 16:45

          I have only done two rebuilds, both on dsm5, although same CPU as your nas ds1512+ but three less drives to contend with. Been swapping out 2tb drives for 4's

          Does changing the speed limit that high make nas performance unusable during the rebuild time though?

        • Lord Fart Bucket on 25/04/2014 - 21:59

          Doesn't make it unusable, though I tend to leave it alone during rebuilt.myou do notice the performance go down a bit though.

  • bargainerftw on 25/04/2014 - 08:44

    Currently using 2x3TB RED's and 1x2TB RED in my HP N40L, been running amazing for 2 years now.

  • stuckster on 25/04/2014 - 10:47
    +2

    Not to be overlooked the 3TB model is also reduced to $157 (best price on StaticIce is $161).
    https://www.centrecom.com.au/western-digital-3tb-red-wd30efr…

  • giventofly on 25/04/2014 - 11:00
    +1

    I have to disagree with Green drives being the same as Reds. I've had my 3TB NAS for 2 years now and it has been solid. I've had 2 Green drives die in the past 4 years. I'm probably wrong, but going by my experience, Reds are more reliable.

    • rhangman on 25/04/2014 - 11:13

      Seem to recall reading about binning. So lower tolerances on the greens.

    • shteeve5150 on 25/04/2014 - 11:49

      I can second this - have 2 wd greens die in the last 12 months and my WD red 3tb is still going well in my NAS, touch wood. I'm never buying WD greens again, opted for a WD Black in PC recently and that seems to performing well also.

  • g12345567 on 25/04/2014 - 12:55

    Plus shipping starting at
    1 @ $7.20, 2 @ $9.00 etc for standard shipping + 1% off total price for insurance.

    • y12345678 on 25/04/2014 - 14:13

      wired, the shipping is 1 @ 7.20 but 2 @ 15.50 which is more than doubled

      • g12345567 on 25/04/2014 - 19:04

        the price I stated was for a NSW postcode. Other location are
        $9.00 for 2 NSW, ACT, TAS Brisbane, Cairns, Cooktown etc
        $9.75 for 2 Melbourne
        $10.75 for 2 Ballarat
        $15.50 for 2 Perth which looks like your location.
        $17.80 For 2 Northern Territory
        $17.85 for 2 Broome

  • Clurt on 25/04/2014 - 13:02
    -3

    5400RPM nty

    • [Deactivated] on 25/04/2014 - 14:34

      Yeah I'm obviously confused but I thought even basic 3.5 drives had moved to 7200RPM years ago.

      Weird.

      • megadeth on 25/04/2014 - 17:15

        Computing evolution just takes another turn. Previously discontinued 5400rpm drives have found a new application as they offer cooler, quieter, more reliable operation. The no. of spindle revolutions will be far more than a 7200rpm drive and thus better MTBF. Performance is undoubtedly slower than a desktop drive but enough for HD media streaming at home. Added reliability is a big plus IMHO. I'm running a 5900rpm 3TB green in my Seagate GFH (going strong since a year) but would love to get my hands on at a 5400rpm 4TB red when I can.

  • [Deactivated] on 25/04/2014 - 14:36

    Cheers. Grabbed one (of the Seagates). Will come in handy for some video editing i'm about to swamp myself with and was wondering how my computer would handle.

  • AdrianW on 25/04/2014 - 14:54
    +1

    Trouble with these Reds is that they're recommended for 1 to 5 bay NAS units only. Searching online I've noticed that people have had lots of issues trying to get more than 5 working in one NAS.

    I'm considering a 12 bay NAS and would love to populate it with 12 x 4TB Reds - but it sounds like it just won't work.

    • Legion on 25/04/2014 - 15:54
      +1

      There is no reason why it won't' work it's just against wd's recommendation, after 5 drives they want you to buy there enterprise drives for a higher rate of reliability

  • nicksinternet on 25/04/2014 - 19:00
    +4

    Scumbags have ended the deal early once it got publicity.

    • megadeth on 25/04/2014 - 20:31

      No reason to be angry, probably sold out.

    • bowtiehoon on 25/04/2014 - 21:12

      yeah i'm annoyed too, was going to go instore and buy a couple…thought the deal was suppose to be till the end of the week what gives, announce the deal then withdraw it on the day your store is not open :(

  • nicki1974 on 26/04/2014 - 20:31

    That sucks.
    I was going to buy a QNAP with them too.
    Oh we'll I'll go elsewhere then.

    • SickDmith on 27/04/2014 - 03:04

      I use them in QNAP with no issues… More or less… :)

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