Old stock i'm guessing as Australia Post are advertising Seagate Expansion 2TB USB3 for $99 this week also.
I picked up 2 yesterday.
Seagate Expansion 3TB USB3 $99 at Australia Post
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Damn good price I'd say.
Already have 2 old 2TB and 2 new 5TB… so will force myself to stay away from these. :P
14TBs… running an ozbargain archive server at home? will never miss out on a bargain… haha
or a server farm for adult movies?
I shot 52 GB of clean family photos over the weekend. (RAW + JPG). And that's before editing.
@fan8956
Home brew?
Yes but that that was in 1 weekend. 1 weekend!!!! haha.
1/20th of a TB in a single weekend.
At an airshow I'd shoot that much in a day.
And that's just stills. If you shot video you could do half a TB or more without breaking a sweat. 10 min of 1080p is 1.5GB. It is actually possible to shoot video of things that don't involve sex.@eug:
I shot 52 GB of clean family photos over the weekend.
What are … the dirty ones like….?
Me with a pile of my dishes my wife didn't get round to while the kids run around.
We are talking only 7TB's… the other twins are backups.
I always have at least 3 copies of anything crucial. A primary in use, a secondary, and one off site. I try to have 2 off site though.
It's around $130-$150 based on some google search~
A nice bargain :)
A bargain indeed. It's 3TB - USB 3.0. Might have to get one.
Just got the OW 2TB for $77 [after ebay cashback] 3 days ago.
I have one of these drives. Been good (fast, reliable) - only downside I found is the massive amount of heat it generates.
Heat and reliability don't go together in my books, I would monitor this heat observation to ensure you don't lose important data.
Well interestingly a large Google study of hard drives that was released publically actually found the reverse was true. By a slight amount. Basically their drives that ran hotter in their datacentre's had a slightly lower failure rate than those that ran cooler.
Either way I think people make too much of heat and reliability ;)
Interesting, however if the study I found is the one you are referring to, the Google engineers examined temperatures up to 45 degrees Celsius. Given that our Australian Ambient temps can reach in the 40's by themselves, I'd be tempted to say Google's findings wouldn't provide me with any more confidence with a hot drive. Each to their own, its your drive and your data.
Also, heat may not be the problem, but a symptom to the problem. Therefore, a drive running hot could provide evidence to other issues. Just things to consider :p
Regardless, the Google study was an interesting read and thanks for mentioning it!
Wouldn't touch a 3TB especially a Seagate one after seeing those numbers.
Yep, 3tb are just a Bad Idea(tm) in general for some reason, but Seagate seemed to make the worst!
If it was a 2tb or 4tb I'd be all over it. :(
And why is it associated with a bridal directory??? lol
I have many WD drive's and only 1 started to fail abit since it wouldn't get recognized from time to time.
it is an 320gb USB 2.0 portable drive which was purchased back in 2007.That drive cost me $200 back then.
Does anyone know what drive's are inside those Sony aluminium 1-2tb drive's.
Yup, they would be the same drives.
But need to compare apples with apples,
Skimmed the article, and apparently only the seagates were taken from external enclosures.I'd read that as do not use 24/7.
Normal / Casual use should be fine.
ie Ironically (considering high reported failure rate in article linked), good for offline backup.I bought one of these in 2013.
It died last year. :(
Wow, really? 43.1% failure rate? I was about to get 2x yesterday, internals same code of ST3000DM001 but they were out of stock….
To be fair they were taking the drives out of externals and using them in a high load and high vibration environment, so high failure rates aren't surprising. Their 4TB drives are in their newer environments as well which have better dampening which may also explain the usage difference.
Yeah, this was Seagate's statement: drives we're designed for consumer (ie. a desktop box) not datacentre.
They would get hammered all the time the way Backblaze works but then so do the other drives.
Yeah, I get that, but if other drives performed better in same situation… Either way, going to get 2x 4TB ones now instead.
The difference was that it was only the 3tb seagates that were pulled from enclosures, the rest were all purchased as normal internal drives
@nicend: Proof? I'm pretty sure you'll find they were buying any drives they could get for cheap - mainly WD & Seagate. The WD 3TB's didn't have a savage failure rate;
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming-2/
I generally only buy WD drives since I got caught out with almost all of the 0.5TB Seagates we had failing due to a firmware bug. I sent 4 of them back for a warranty replacement, 1 of the returned ones was DOA already. Did not bother swapping any more.
Have very good record with WD, however, a 3TB WD just failed as it got knocked over (external case) while in use. Now completely dead, I thought it would only lose a few sectors at most.
I think I will avoid 3TB drives as well…
Accidental neg! I am in completely agreement on avoiding these after I've had 2 Seagates from different batches fail.
(how do I remove a neg?)
great deal. Thanks. Just picked up the last one from Australia Square.
Confirmed. Just bought 2 at Brisbane Queen St Aus Post.
Marked as $124, but when scanned came to $992 Left as of 9am this morning
Thanks, was going to try and duck our from work and grab two, but you have probably saved me the trip. Cheers :)
Just had one die on me recently that was around 1 year old..
Don't they come with a 3 year warranty??
You should be covered.
nah its only 1 year warranty..
take it back, a 'reasonable consumer' would expect it to last more than a few years without failing. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-07/broken-but-out-of-warr…
Good luck with that. The retailer only has to cover it for the first 12 months, after that, it's the manufacturer. So yeh, you could probably get Seagate to cover it, as long as you post it to them and pay $30 in shipping to get it there.
@richie83: incorrect.
http://www.consumerlaw.gov.au/content/acl_resources/download…
See page 10: Sending consumers to the manufacturer
but yes, i was assuming tarken didn't take it out of the enclosure
@richie83: As jb6 said, the retailer cannot make you deal with the manufacturer! People often don't know this and give up, but there are really a LOT of rights we have as consumers :)
@richie83:
Well according to accc if its still under warranty. You can deal with retailer directly even ita fall under manufacture period.
Done that at ow after 2 years and they replaced it and they said they do not rma to seagate.@jb6:
Incorrect. Yes, the consumer can't be forced to send to the manufacturer, but that only applies to consumer guarantees. That means he can return it to the manufacturer or the supplier within the express warranty period. There is also implied warranty, which that document doesn't cover. Implied warranty is warranty where the product should be expected to last X amount of time. ie. A $5,000 TV should last longer than a $1,000 TV.
Implied warranties must be dealt with by the manufacturer/distributor. In the situation where a hard drive was purchased, you could argue that the implied warranty should exceed 12 months (especially when you can evidence that Seagate only changed their five year warranty policy in 2012). Therefore, if you have a hard drive that is just outside of its statutory warranty, you can return it to the manufacturer, but not the supplier.
@richie83: Mate, I think I know where you've gone wrong "Consumer Guarantees" does not refer to the standard/express/extended xx year warranty you get as a consumer. They are a legislated, statutory right under Australian Consumer Law, and they include an "implied warranty", as you put it, that the product will operate as intended for a decent amount of time… You may have confused Consumer Guarantees with a standard warranty, when they're actually the implied warranty/rights everyone has.
http://www.consumerlaw.gov.au/content/the_acl/downloads/cons…
This document explicitly outlines your protections under Consumer Guarantees, according to ACL and Page 11 deals with Extended Warranties.
Copy pasted the example below:
"A consumer buys a plasma television for $6000. It stops working two years later. The supplier tells the consumer they have no rights to repairs or another remedy as the television was only
under the manufacturer’s warranty for 12 months. The supplier says the consumer should have bought an extended warranty, which would have given five years’ cover.A reasonable consumer would expect more than two years’ use from a $6000 television. Under
the consumer guarantees, the consumer therefore has a statutory right to a remedy on the basis that the television is not of acceptable quality. The supplier must provide a remedy free of charge."Page. 37: "supplier: someone who, in trade or commerce, sells goods or services and is commonly referred to as a ‘trader’, ‘retailer’ or ‘service provider’"
Further to this, a good article below, also stating that retailers can't shoo you off on the manufacturer. Interesting parts about cost as well, maybe tarken wouldn't have even gotten much extra implied warranty out of their hard drive? Who knows…
http://www.smh.com.au/money/warranty-warpath-20100524-w6aj.h…Hope this helps you/someone down the line!! At the very least, it was much more enjoyable contributing to ozbargain than doing work this arvo, that's for damn sure.
sometime it is easier to deal with manufacturer, than the retailer
such as the time frame, easier to dealt with, or the convenience……..
Still worth checking the serial number online (for warranty) if you haven't already.
Does it need external power supply?
yes
Bought the last one (from display cabinet) at Sydney South Post Shop.
Is it easy to remove the drive for these?
yes its really easy. It voids your warranty though.
if this wasn't Seagate I'd recommend it.
It's cheap for a reason.
Got one when I was still in high school and it's still going strong. Pretty decent imo, I think it was $117 when I purchased it. Totally agree with you in terms with it's a good drive :)
Did you graduate in 2014?
Because your experience with one drive clearly trumps Backblazes experience with 40,000 drives.
Thanks for letting us know that the 1 Seagate drive you have hasn't failed. I feel much better relying on your individual experience over some "website" who buys thousands of drives a year.
No idea why this guy is getting downvoted. Backblaze has been proven time and time again to be little more than making stuff up and posting completely exaggerated nonsense (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-…). They have Seagates at a fail & return rate of 40% ??? You'd have to remove the product from every marketplace on earth with those figures, just based on consumer laws alone, let alone bad publicity etc…..
Here's some actual mass retailer data for return rates of hard drives in one quarter of 2014, featuring a sample size of over 500 units (http://www.hardware-revolution.com/best-ssd-best-hard-drive-…) and it shows the following:
Seagate 0.86%
Toshiba 1.02%
Hitachi 1.08%
Western Digital 1.13%Which are all pretty common sense numbers.
When you look at different Web sites, you get different stats.
The Seagate 3TB drive is a 7200rpm drive. It does get hot. In fact, when running it for a long period of time, checking the SMART status does indicate it is over the recommended temperature. And, if you stack 2 removable hard drives together, and run them for a long period of time, they both get warmer.
Some of the more reliable ones (other brands) are 5900/5400 rpm ones. Perhaps the faster drives don't really last as long.
I can't find those figures, you might want to check your link. Or alternatively, what are they for? How many drives were tested, for how long? Backblaze gives all those figures. You don't. Why should I discount their numbers and take yours as fact?
The article has been paywalled - sorry. The study was completed by Marc Prieur, an analyst of hardware.fr, from data supplied by France's largest national IT retailer. It tracked returns of 500 units from Europe-wide sales of all external hard drives in one of the financial quarters of 2014. There was a total of 500 units returned over the three month period and the percentages I copied and pasted above show the volume returned (for any fault) as a percentage of the volume purchased.
The issue of course with Backblaze, is that their figures have never been anything other than presented numbers and opinion. No proof of anything at all, no evidence of all the supposed RMA'd units, absolutely no evidence of anything they do at all, other than a few spreadsheets here & there. They have been repeatedly called out on this & never once have they provided anything to backup their opinion or figures. They have also been caught out editing and changing their stories, numbers and "results" a number of times - especially previously when it was pointed out to them that they were storing and using hard drives in environments that would directly cause the units to fail & were warned of explicitly by the manufacturers not to be used in such a fashion.
@infinite: 500 drives? Wow.. That's a pathetic sample size. Even more so considering you say it's "all external hard drives" - Which manufacturers? How many drives per model? What sizes?
Maybe you should read one of Backblaze's updates?
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-update…The Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 3TB has a slightly more reasonable failure rate of 15.7% now. With a sample size of 3846 drives. For that one exact model. And if I'm planning on using it in a similar environment (server storage, 24/7 usage, no A/C) - I'll take their word for it and use something else.
Fact still remains, Seagate don't make a good 3TB drive. If you need 3TB, buy someone else. Otherwise, go nuts.
@infinite: I found this link here from your original article: http://www.hardware-revolution.com/best-hard-drive-best-hdd-…
The numbers are different to yours, making Seagate look even better.
I have a few problems with that though: it does not give exact sample numbers (other than >500 per brand, which would be too low). It does not distinguish the various models within a brand.
But worst of all: it only tracks drives aged between 6 months and 1 year.
In the first months even Backblaze did not experience severe problems. Most seem to have died between year 1 and 2. If you extrapolate their severe use scenario to what consumers can expect then the majority of failuers should happen soon after the consumer warranty expires, i.e. 3 years+.
It's actually quite interesting to see all the hate speech coming towards Backblaze.
I wonder what causes that? I didn't expect there would be Seagate fanboys, but perhaps I am wrong. If so, what makes someone emotionally connected to a certain hard drive manufacturer?
When it comes to Backblaze: their statistics appear to be sound, large enough sample sizes, confidence intervals, etc.
Of course you can't translate their results 1:1 into a home environment. Nevertheless the differences between drives are large enough to effectively rule out some from my shopping list.
Unfortunately my wife's HP desktop came with exactly that dodgy Seagate drive pre-installed. Shame on HP! But if knowing about the drive's low reliability gets her to be more vigilant with her backups that can actually turn out to be a good thing.
The hard drive would likely be the least of your problems if you purchased a HP desktop.
its not the hate for backblaze or seagate - its purporting that a hdd can have a failure rate of 40% and you still believe the credibility of the website. That just doesnt make sense.
All hdd would have a failure rate of around 1% - random chance on if you are unlucky or not - ALL brands included.
Seagate has the worst rep because they did have ONE batch a while ago that DID have 40% failure rate. Now everybody harps on like every drive they make will have that failure rate.
You seem to contradict yourself. If Seagate DID have one batch with 40% failure rates in the past, why should they not have another batch now?
Why would I not believe the figures Backblaze gives? They are very specific, that failure rate applies only to one model of the several different Seagates they have in use. Other models are of comparable reliability to other manufacturers.
And of course, as noted before by me and others, we can't expect to see the same failure rate in drives that don't run 24/7. Or at least not as soon. Instead of finding 40% failures in year 2, we might find 10% failures in each of years 3,4,5,6,… depending on how much we use them.
Compared to < 1% for other drives (from the same or other maufacturers) that would still be bad enough to avoid them.
They are very specific, that failure rate applies only to one model of the several different Seagates they have in use.
Spot on. Everyone getting their panties in a twist over this are missing the point - 3TB Seagate external drives, with the exact model number stated in all the reports are terrible. If you can avoid using them, it's best to.
That is right but as other posts have made mention - the seagate drives in the test were the only drive used out of spec. That in itself already makes the test contentious.
The drive I was actually referring to that was a bad batch was the 1tb's. That is where seagates initially got their bad rep from. Not many people have had these 3tb drives so I cant really comment.
The point I was trying to make is that there are a community of users who are the biggest cheapskates and dont backup but are also the loudest in saying XXXX is crap. Because seagate had that bad rep from their 1tb fiasco; they've generally been trying to flog their drives cheaper - hence more of these cheapskates buying them and hence more people complaining that they are crap.
Its these same people that say AMD is crap or ati are crap - it just doesnt make sense.
That is right but as other posts have made mention - the seagate drives in the test were the only drive used out of spec. That in itself already makes the test contentious.
Weren't all the drives just regular desktop drives? The Seagate external drives just use their standard desktop drives inside.
@eug: Yeh, but the contentious point was that they aren't supposed to be used like that, or at least that was Seagate's response. They also used WD external 3TB drives, without any issues..
Yeh, but the contentious point was that they aren't supposed to be used like that
Don't people just see it as a torture test? i.e. take a bunch of drives and subject them to harsh conditions and see which ones survive. Evidently the 3TB Seagate ones (which are identical to the bare desktop seagate drives you can buy) were wussy under harsh conditions compared to other brands of bare desktop drives, so the other brands could possibly last longer in a home usage scenario. Maybe. My Seagate 3TB died in my home usage scenario and my 4TB Seagate makes strange noises sometimes, so I'm taking a break from Seagate for a while. Before this I had tons of WD drives fail on me. Grrr.
Actually the last study was listened to by fools as the number of Seagate drives was tiny - it wasn't very meangful (although to be fair it was mainly fools commenting on the study that we're the um … fools).
Apparently this study is a lot better though from that respect.
I have this drive. Been using it for over 2 years. Hasn't missed a beat. Transfer rates around 160 MB/s.
My 2TB seagate failed in Dec 2014, bought it mid 2013. Was ST20000DM001, there is a reason Seagate are cheap, they are crap.
Their older drives were really good, but my experiences lately is they fail too often.
Need to buy at least 2 disks, backup each other in case one of them died.
I got the $70 Seagate 3TB USB2 from Australia Post 20 Months ago.
It is in regular use as additional storage on a cheap 1TB PVR. TV recordings, ripped DVDs, & torrented movies can easily be replaced, so not a critical data storage use. As data transfer rates on non-networked PVRs are appallingly slow, USB2 was overkill ;-) Working fine. Was a bargain, but few found it.
If I was a movie I'd be tormented too if I had to be backed up on a Seagate.
Yes my phone's spellchecker doesn't like torrenting, preferring tormenting. Glad someone appreciated my phones sense of humour, even though it was corrected in seconds ;-)
The Seagate is performing faultlessly.
I torrent to my phone on free WiFi at a Regus Business Lounge (OzBargain freebie membership for 4 years), then to Seagate as primary storage, not backup. Gave me a $239 4TB twin tuner PVR :-)
The torrent client is on your phone? I assume you're on Android?
Read an article the other day that 3TB drives have a higher failure rate than 2TB or 4TB. So don't put anything important on these.
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/01/why-you-should-buy-4-tb…
I like how everyone ignores that the 3tb seagate drives were pulled from external drive cases.
Internal & external drives were designed for different uses. Who would use an external drive (primarily designed for backup) continuously, like an internal which is primarily for continuous use. (Of course the actual drives should be capable of similar use.)
so you're saying you shouldnt rip the drive out and put it into a PC? I thought the actual drive inside the casing is exactly the same as an internal drive. they just put it into a case for you? no?
@homersyd:
I've heard rumours that there are firmware differences that better match backup usage of a usb drive instead of 24/7 operation. (I.E.: WD Red and Greens main difference was time between head parking that provides lower power consumption but sacrifices lifespan if you repeatedly read small amounts for long periods such as in a PLEX server). Theoretically there should be no issue or difference, but they might've tuned it for the different use case.So why do we get desktop drives inside external cases then.
Could use a backup for my backup's backup.
I dont use as a main storage for important things like images or pRon.
hahaah i like how you prioritise your stuff lol
U sure these didnt come out of someones parcels?
Work with Xbox One?
yes
Any chance of price matching in OW? Is there a catalogue for this?
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