60k a year or less, What Do You Go without?

nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 11:55
Last edited 19/08/2015 - 12:55

As a high income earner, I consider my lifestyle average but I'd like to get the point of view of people that might think what I have isn't average but actually a little lavish. what do you go without?

To start, maybe a list of my standard costs of living

  • mortgage
  • refresh wardrobe once a year average spend $3k
  • average $20 a day on lunch, work days
  • cleaner once every 3-4 weeks
  • new iPhone every year
  • new laptop every couple years
  • one major technology buy a year (Apple Watch this year)
  • a couple domestic trips per year
  • ultimate fuel for my car, I don't know why, just feels better
  • 2 meals out both Saturday Sunday, every weekend
  • $4 coffee a day sometimes 2

Feel free to ask questions.. I want to find - are lower income earners actually very good with the money they earn? Do they go into debt? what can we learn from each other

Poll Options

  • 133
    I have everything I want
  • 28
    I want a fancy car and a big house
  • 69
    I can afford my mortgage and I'm fine
  • 223
    I can't save enough for a house
  • 24
    I still haven't got a car
  • 18
    What's a smart phone?
  • 22
    Other
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  • mskeggs on 19/08/2015 - 12:20

    I earn substantially more than $60k but look at that spending list as willfully profligate. I actually scrolled up to make sure it wasn't financialwar launching another troll thread.
    Yearly iphone, $3k on clothes, $4000+ on lunch each year, 100+ restaurant meals every year, premium fuel - these are astonishing wastes of money to me.

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    • DealzEddy123 on 19/08/2015 - 12:43

      I don't think he's saying he's earning 60k. I think he just wants opinion from people on 60k or less? correct me if im wrong.

      I used to spend like then in my late teens / early twenties.
      then as I got a bit older my priorities and perspectives changed.(still without kids etc, but spend my money on other things now)

      I still spend money on food though, out of convenience and laziness.

      but at the end of the day, I rkn money is earnt to be spent.

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      • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 12:56

        Correct, looking to hear from standard income single / couple / families

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      • Thenarrator on 22/08/2015 - 21:59

        earnt to be saved… to buy a house in this overpriced market.

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    • Euphemistic on 19/08/2015 - 12:49

      Same here. (Except not substantially more $)

      I don't think I 'go without' but I wouldn't spend anywhere near that amount on clothes for a family of 5. Old model phones, only very rarely spend around $8 on lunch, mostly home made. What's a restaurant meal? Takeaways about 3-4 per month, as a convenience not a treat. Premium fuel is for suckers, I can't tell the difference in my 12yo car. Last generation technology only replace if it stops. Don't drink coffee, and probably wouldn't buy it if I did.

      Ride to work when I can, DIY repairs, renos.

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    • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 12:43

      To be fair on the iPhone, I do sell the old one so it ends up costing like $300, clothes- I go to the US with work once a year and it's hard not to buy, the outlet malls are like ozbargain on overdrive and impossible not to get Rhodes and Beckett work shirts when they are 70% off

      No excuse for the others, laziness but more I can never decide what to have in advance.

      I keep thinking I should change to cheaper fuel but I've paid the premium since I got my car 7 years ago so it's almost harder to stop!

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      • IdBuyThat4aDollar on 19/08/2015 - 14:27

        What car do you have?

        Regarding premium fuel…Generally engines that have a high compression ratio (eg. turbocharged cars) will require 95 or 98 RON fuel because highly compressed air/fuel mixture is prone to pre detonation, and the higher octane fuel prevents this pre detonation occurring. People mistakenly think the higher octane fuel packs more energy.

        On other cars that dont have this requirement there isn't much benefit, although most modern cars will adjust the ignition timing when it detects higher octane fuel and run more efficiently (but the price difference is greater than what you gain in fuel economy). If you switch back to 91 RON, it may take a while for the ECU to adjust back and relearn the optimal timing for the lower octane fuel, so may appear to run rough initially for a few drives.

        If your car's manual says it can run on 91 RON, I would just go with that unless your engine was pinging/knocking. However, there are some other benefits to BP ultimate apart from the higher RON - it also has cleaning additives that clean your injectors and fuel lines. I know a few people fill up with regular unleaded say 4 times, then on the 5th refill they go with BP ultimate. If you plan to keep your car for the long run there may be a benfit in this.

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        • sixthsense on 19/08/2015 - 15:12

          very well Explained Neos

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        • pitiek on 19/08/2015 - 15:21

          @clickship: Accord Euro CU2 requires 98 plus octane fuel anyway to eliminate knocking…

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 09:38

          @wasabinator: the cars been good to me, it's the least I can do. I don't have a pet so I see it as feeding my pet premium puppy food

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        • AlexD on 20/08/2015 - 11:54

          @clickship: 2.4L? Sounds like a Camry. Unless the car specifically says it needs greater than 91 octane, there is little benefit, and it definitely isn't worth the price difference.
          I get my 98 octane from Costco fuel in Canberra, because I have an old BMW that needs it, and it's cheaper than buying 95 octane elsewhere. If I could get by with 91, I would definitely go for it.

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 14:44

          It just feels like a smoother drive with the 98. Can't explain it better than that.

          It's just a standard 2.4lt 4 cyclinder 4 door sedan auto :)

          If fuel price hike again- I'll probably make the switch

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        • sareth on 23/08/2015 - 12:22

          @clickship:

          That analogy doesn't actually work if the car is not designed for higher octane fuels, however. If it's designed for 91, then putting in 95 or 98 is a complete waste of money. There's no benefit whatsoever, it's just a placebo.

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 15:42

          @pitiek: Im hoping more American cars start heading to Australia

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        • [Deactivated] on 20/08/2015 - 08:52

          @clickship: The smoothness is likely explained by the better combustion from the better fuel. It should burn cleaner with less deposits left behind so better for the engine.

          Me personally, my car says 91 so I put 91 in it. In my younger days when I had a modified twin turbo it was 98 only.

          If it's a vtec or something tightly strung, it might be worth higher octane, but for the average 4 banger, 91 is fine.

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        • soaringphoenix on 22/08/2015 - 21:38

          This is all well and good if you drive an econobox like OP, but if you're running anything like a GTR or a 911, you're better off sticking with premium.

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        • ExpressCoffee on 23/08/2015 - 18:06

          @pitiek:
          I have a CU2 and use 98, though the manual and fuel cap says it requires 95 octane or higher.

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    • DealzEddy123 on 19/08/2015 - 13:22

      sounds like he's an English premier league striker. I think if he wants to splurge on an iPhone he deserves to.

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    • shamid202 on 19/08/2015 - 22:31

      3K on cloths!! i wouldnt pay higher than 200-300$ in a year !

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      • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 12:48

        Right now I need a couple new suits, new work shoes. New belts just for work. I doubt I could do that for under $1000

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        • nimnomnimy on 21/08/2015 - 08:14

          @cymon: I've never heard of shoes that last for life- mine last a year regardless of brand. Give me an example?

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        • Mr BoMBAStiG on 21/08/2015 - 07:34

          Shoes and belts is silly. Do some research and buy for life. You will probably get better looking products and won't need to buy again for decades with good care.

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        • Mr BoMBAStiG on 21/08/2015 - 09:55

          @clickship: With the right care a pair of dress shoes from Aldens, Allen Edmonds, Salvatores or A. Testonis (to name a few) will be able to be given to your kids. Not even going to start on boots. If you have the money you should be spending between $500-$1000 on a pair of shoes. Then you won't need to buy another pair again, just maintain them.

          Honestly mate, if you have the coin either hit up malefashionadvice on reddit or styleforum and start educating yourself on how to dress well and invest in fashion. If your shoes are dying after a year I can only imagine they are square capped lace-less monstrosities. If you cbf doing your own research, hire a male fashion consultant.

          Actually, scrap all that. Find a reputable bespoke shoe maker and get a pair made from scratch.

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        • Mr BoMBAStiG on 21/08/2015 - 11:35

          @clickship: Bespoke: Robert&hassett and wootten. Off the shelf: Vass is another top brand.

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        • nimnomnimy on 21/08/2015 - 13:07

          @cymon: ill have a look but i don't see how the sole isn't going to wear or the interior.
          best case i can see spending $500-$1000 on a shoe and the maintenance of repairing or replacing the sole or insert is going to be more than the $150-$250 ill spend on a pair every 1-2 years.

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        • Zarthia on 31/08/2015 - 13:42

          I have a very nice pair of black leather soled shoes, spent about $350 on them about 8 or 9 years ago, about once every 2 years i spend $45 on a resole of the leather. I rarely walk on cement or rough surfaces so may be greater wear rate for others. It ends up being way cheaper to buy a cheap pair every year(read tax return here :) ), but its the psychological effect that i like, when walking I make a point not to drag my feet or tap my shoes together and it makes me feel more professional.

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    • Tiggrrrrr on 20/08/2015 - 20:45

      Is $3k on clothes a lot? I mean a decent suit will wipe a big chunk of that away, and it is kind of a must if you work a decent paying office job. I suppose I probably don't need 6 suits, or the two I just ordered, but that's another matter all together. And then there is shoes, another ~$150-250. Shirts ~$200 assuming 2 new a year.

      And if you don't like reusing underpants that will set you back about $1400 a year… ;)

      $20/day on lunch seems a bit excessive though. I would be eating like a king on that each day given the number of $15-20 two course lunch (plus drink) deals there are in Perth.

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      • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 22:04

        $1400 a year on underpants hahaha
        thats like a 6 month wash cycle.
        You only need 16-17 tops

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        • serpserpserp on 22/08/2015 - 20:08

          You actually only need 10 pairs max, wash them every week.

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        • Tiggrrrrr on 24/08/2015 - 13:03

          Oh I met someone who didn't like reusing the same underpants. As in threw them out each time.

          This was a while ago, and I seem to remember it cost apparently $14 a week to restock. Given todays prices, I was guessing at double that, so about $1400.

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        • sa-ozzie on 25/08/2015 - 17:25

          4 days wear per undy - wear them forwards , backwards , inside out forward , inside out backward..

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        • nimnomnimy on 25/08/2015 - 22:19

          @sa-ozzie: haha so gross

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      • serpserpserp on 22/08/2015 - 20:07

        I gotta say I used to spend thousands on single suits when I was younger, getting them tailored etc. Then as I started moving up the ranks I noticed what my peers around me wore, which were cheaper knockoff suits. Only the big bosses wear the expensive suits day in and out. So now I spend a tenth on suit and often ones from Myer/DJs on sale (and with reward points) and they still pass as good suits if looked after and accessoried well (shoes are absolute key). You might burn through a cheap suit in a year, but if you wear an expensive suit often you'll burn through that in two years so its probably better off going a cheap suit and if it is your main suit for good sakes buy three pairs of pants when you buy it! Then you might get 2 years burn out of it if you are careful.

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        • Tiggrrrrr on 24/08/2015 - 13:00

          I like suits more for the convenience. All I need to change each day is my shirt.

          Oh, and the disposable underpants I guess.

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      • [Deactivated] on 20/08/2015 - 22:06

        It's not a lot at all. I'm guessing the people that do think it's alot probably wear old dad clothes. Must be a generation thing.

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    • cryptos on 21/08/2015 - 00:58

      Yeah, for me it would be pay the mortgage off, there is nothing like walking into the bank and asking for the title to your property back, everyone seems dumbfounded :)

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      • nimnomnimy on 21/08/2015 - 08:54

        its safer at the bank, leave $1 owing and you always have money available if you want it

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  • Lem_is_cool on 19/08/2015 - 12:18

    $20 a day on lunch? Make you own or make big dinner and take leftovers.
    For me, i just got out of long relationship and have had to start over again in super bachelor mode so I'm back to basics. Sharing a house with two others, saved up and bought a 150cc scooter, make my lunches for work (12hour night shifts as security guard), mid range android phone (moto g), wardrobe only gets updated as per ozbargain sales (this week, Van heusen polos).

    Despite this, whilst the house mates do the 2 minute noodle/ravioli out the saucepan living, i still have plenty of money for proper food from adelaide markets, loads of video games, go out when I like and still have savings. I guess no kids/no mortgage helps alot.

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    • ozgriff on 22/08/2015 - 09:07

      This one is the biggie for me.

      $20 x 5 days for 48 weeks a year = $4,800 just for lunches, Add in $4 for a coffee 1.25 per day = $1200 so $6,000 a year to eat when at work, not including any other snacks… This is a big chunk of your income that could be used wisely by making sandwiches, large batches of easy to make food, eating fruit or salads for lunch or even those high-carb oat rolls that cost only $2.

      Also eating out on Sat/Sunday would also cost you.

      3K for a new wardrove could be $1500 for o/seas trip and new wardrobe from there.

      Ultimate fuel (98) won't give you that much in return for the extra spend (17c/litre over regular) unless you're running a high compression engine (turbo/performance/tuned) or the manufacturer recommends it.

      Everything else seems not over the top, and down to personal choice. Sounds like you enjoy your tech so $300 for a new phone and a laptop every couple of years is cool. You may be able to tie that into education or business expenses.

      Honestly, I think you might be missing some opportunities or other spends etc. I'd recommend you doing a proper budget on what you spend each year to visualise the full cost. Imagine if you could pop an extra $10,000 into your mortgage each year - by only making a few lifestyle changes.

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      • SlickMick on 22/08/2015 - 09:09

        lol I don' think to OP has any interest in budgeting. He doesn't seem to have any interest in value for money. I have no idea why he's here.

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        • Bargainz on 22/08/2015 - 23:51

          Whole reason for thread seems like trolling to me.

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    • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 12:40

      I have never made a meal I've enjoyed at work ever. Once I unlock that Adelaide sushi train recipe, that's all I'll be having.

      Drop into the gouger st sushi train and get an ebi roll (chilli Mayo, fried prawn) and the salmon onion. God damn I miss Adelaide food

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      • Lem_is_cool on 19/08/2015 - 13:48

        Not even just basic stuff like random rice dish for dinner then take the rest to work? That's my go to if I know I cant be bothered to make an individual meal for just lunch. Or pasta, make tonnes of lasagne and take that.
        Or temp at Sushi Train for a bit to learn all their secrets. Personally my favourite generic sushi place was Hi Sushi in Waurn Ponds VIC

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        • sama on 19/08/2015 - 17:15

          @clickship: There are foods that taste better reheated. Try curry (esp Japanese style curry), stews, ect.

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        • johnno07 on 19/08/2015 - 20:17

          @sama: Yep - also a good spaghetti sauce (e.g. bolognese) tastes better reheated the next day.

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 20:22

          @johnno07: good ideas worth a try at least once I guess

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        • runtoparadise on 19/08/2015 - 19:53

          @clickship:

          For random rice dishes try getting a small rice cooker (1 cup) and cooking fresh rice at work. Makes all the difference! (not that I do it very often as I like to catch up with friends over lunch)

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        • turkz1 on 20/08/2015 - 00:13

          @clickship: have you given the sushi train at sushi hotaru a go? it's very reasonable and quite tasty.

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        • Ceceilia on 20/08/2015 - 09:39

          @clickship:
          Try sushi hotaru
          Shop 118, 200 Bourke st melb
          $3 a plate

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 09:44

          @Ceceilia: two in a row, I'll hit it up next time I'm in town

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 13:59

          im just not a fan of reheating food but maybe that's a change I need to try. No sushi train in Victoria - and i haven't found anything that compares.

          There is good sushi that is different and good but not sushi train good.

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        • tanoshiiki on 19/08/2015 - 21:03

          @clickship: Is sushi train a chain or just sushi train concept in general. There's a few in Melbourne CBD, with Sushi Hotaru the best value.

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 21:19

          @tanoshiiki: it's a particular chain. They have them in Sydney aswell but the Adelaide gouger street one is amazing

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 07:54

          @turkz1: I'll look it up

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        • cryptos on 21/08/2015 - 00:56

          @clickship: Every cuisine has a meal thats better the next day, as stated, curries and spag bog were used as a way of preserving meals.

          I'll always reheat if I cook a curry or spag, love it. However I'm fussy about lunch also and on most days buy it

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        • kimmylala on 21/08/2015 - 06:43

          @clickship:
          sushi hon in the emporium food court is pretty good

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        • nimnomnimy on 21/08/2015 - 08:12

          @kimmylala: I do like that one

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  • scotty on 19/08/2015 - 12:45

    I consider my lifestyle average…

    Looking at your spending, I guess I'm below average. However I'm fortunately mortgage free, as it's easier to pay that off when you pack lunch everyday, drink instant coffee, and $3k would be my wardrobe budget for 10-12 years.

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    • ilikeradiohead on 19/08/2015 - 16:20

      As the founder of Australia's premier bargain hunting website I would expect your spending habits to be below average :)

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      • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 16:43

        Wouldn't it be the opposite as he always sees all the bargains??

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        • scotty on 19/08/2015 - 22:08

          Seeing all the bargains actually does the opposite to me. Used to have impulse buys every now and then (like 8-9 years ago, waiting for the 24 hours items at Zazz or CoTD). These days I just go "meh, it would be cheaper the next time around".

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 16:59

          @ilikeradiohead: I still have 1500 hdmi cables in boxes with retail packaging that I can't get rid of because how do people ship things so damn cheap?

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        • ilikeradiohead on 19/08/2015 - 16:48

          Live the lifestyle of the average income on the budget of a below average income? I'm sure the man on the street pays more than $15 for 8 rechargeable batteries haha. Or in my case, live the average lifestyle on the average income but your house is full of unopened junk.

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        • scotty on 24/08/2015 - 20:26

          @rodinthink: oops. Does that mean I just saved myself $300 or whatever because I ended up not buying a phone?

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        • NotSoRoyal on 22/08/2015 - 13:57

          @scotty:
          bookmarked Zazz to my daily viewing site, Thanks

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        • rodinthink on 24/08/2015 - 18:04

          @scotty:
          For example like the phone.
          You said to yourself that it would be cheaper next year.
          Then when the price can't go any lower, it's already 3 years.

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        • rodinthink on 24/08/2015 - 23:10

          @scotty:
          That's a bargain.
          Nokia 3310 still classic

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    • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 12:49

      So what do you spend you ex-mortgage money on?
      Save it or upgrade house?

      Definitely the wiser of us

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      • scotty on 19/08/2015 - 12:51

        Kids' education? Private schools and piano lessons aren't cheap here in Sydney. Otherwise I'm pretty content with what I've got.

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 12:59

          Kids are still a few years till school but I think we will go the public route. We will see when the time comes. I'm sure my priorities will make a sharp change.

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        • congo on 23/08/2015 - 23:30

          @clickship: Private schools are where they will develop all the connections…which I think is worth the extra $20K per year IMO.

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      • scotty on 20/08/2015 - 17:22

        Another thing about mortgage-free — it gives you more freedom. I was able to quit my corporate job to run this site. If the business is bad I probably won't get too stressed — I'll just take my time to find another job since I have my roof secured.

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 17:31

          You still have operational expenses such as food, fuel, bills etc
          I get what your saying, you need less to continue as you are with that removed.

          Btw- I admire your resistance to changing towards a stronger monetisation strategy. This site commercially is worth at least millions, I wouldn't be surprised if more than $100 mil.

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        • smpantsonfire on 22/08/2015 - 00:41

          You may be richer than me, but you clearly have no idea about website value. Lol jk.

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        • Fobsessive on 22/08/2015 - 20:13

          @clickship: $100 million, with majority being in the form of goodwill then? I don't think so.

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        • serpserpserp on 22/08/2015 - 20:15

          @clickship:

          Haha you have no idea clickship. Sorry. Maybe you should go see what other similar community sites have been sold for (if they can find a buyer). There have been websites that make decent profits that have publicly listed for far far less than $100mil.

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        • nimnomnimy on 22/08/2015 - 21:30

          @serpserpserp: underestimation is the skill of every poor salesman ;)

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        • serpserpserp on 23/08/2015 - 09:53

          @clickship:

          Flippant quotes don't justify outrageous valuations.

          Overestimation might work selling antiques but not selling community websites that generate little revenue.

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        • nimnomnimy on 23/08/2015 - 09:54

          @serpserpserp: this site could be very easily monetised

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        • serpserpserp on 23/08/2015 - 14:52

          @clickship:

          Possibly, but for 100mil? The idea I have no problems with, yes it is worth something, but not 100mil, not even 1% of that in reality.

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        • nimnomnimy on 23/08/2015 - 17:13

          @serpserpserp: I could sell front page ad campaigns for about $150k a week, I could sell rolling impressions on about 3-4$ per thousand. I'd need the traffic to be able to calculate it out but $100 mil is a very realistic target if the site was getting enough traffic

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  • Unorthodox on 19/08/2015 - 12:10

    New iPhone every year? wow that's pretty insane…

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    • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 12:28

      Well I sell my old one so the new one ends up costing like $300-400

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      • nicka on 20/08/2015 - 18:42

        YOU ARE A FAT CAT!!!!!

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 18:54

          COOL THANKS

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        • mskeggs on 20/08/2015 - 19:05

          Well, I have got a bit soft round the middle this year.
          Oh, you meant clickship.
          YEAH - FATCAT! GRAB THE PITCHFORK, WHERE IS THE MOB MEETING!

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 20:10

          @mskeggs: just unorganised. They like to attack like in the movies, one at a time

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        • mskeggs on 20/08/2015 - 20:08

          @clickship:
          Worst mob ever!

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        • nimnomnimy on 20/08/2015 - 19:17

          @mskeggs: the up vote was from me

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        • ankor on 21/08/2015 - 21:08

          @clickship:

          That reminds me of the action scene in Yip Man where Donnie Yen takes on 10 guys, it's a very quick 'one at a time', but it's still one at a time :)

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      • DEvok on 24/08/2015 - 11:12

        Doubt many would do this considering upgrading every year is obsurd.

        You should be asking who buys a brand new TV every year?

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        • nimnomnimy on 24/08/2015 - 17:43

          Or who buys a tv…

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      • Unorthodox on 19/08/2015 - 13:21

        Oh, well that makes more sense

        Do you buy outright/grey or have a 12 month plan?

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 13:29

          I have a really old Telstra prepaid offer that gives me $1000 worth of calls, free mobile Foxtel and 10gb of data on 4g. That's why I buy outright.

          I run out of data now so I'm too scared to go post paid for fear of bill shock and I haven't found a better pre paid offer. As I especially love visual voicemail

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 22:05

          @zeomega: I know, I was sharing the approximate age of when I got the prepaid offer.
          Do people not believe I have this plan? I can screenshot on my next top up

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        • CandyMan on 19/08/2015 - 17:35

          @clickship:

          I have a really old Telstra prepaid offer that gives me $1000 worth of calls, free mobile Foxtel and 10gb of data on 4g

          Wow.. old plan with 4G!

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        • nimnomnimy on 19/08/2015 - 17:46

          @CandyMan: when my offer came out, people still didn't have 3G phones, I think a company called 3 had most of the 3G network. It's with Telstra so it's 4g. I specified because you can get Telstra through resellers and its limited to 3g

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