Help me pick my new car out of this three

dosada on 16/03/2016 - 00:51

It's time to upgrade. I have been looking the last few weeks for a new car and have come down to the three listed here. Has anyone got one of them and can report how good/bad it is and why i should/shouldn't go for it?

  • Jeep Cherokee Sport 2.4L Tigershark engine

  • Mitsubishi Outlander XLS 2WD 2.0L

  • Holden Captiva LS 2.4L

This is pretty much all i can afford, i am after a brand new car, not demo or used because of the included warranty. Mainly i will use it on my own, sometimes with family (2 adults, 3 kids)

Any input appreciated.

Poll Options

  • 206
    Buy the Outlander
  • 9
    Buy the Cherokee
  • 6
    Buy the Captiva
Automotive

Comments

  • Bigsta on 16/03/2016 - 23:01
    +3

    I would not pick any of your choices

    jeeps are unreliable and as expensive as euros to maintain, even new, jeep will keep you waiting without a car for months while they pretend parts have to come from the US and that takes 6 weeks

    Mitsubishi is ok but under powered and boring and will lose its value quickly

    Captiva is just plain rubbish really, its a rebadged daewoo and you would be better of getting a proper korean car like a Hyundai

    my recommendation is

    Ford territory, diesel if you want good fuel economy but the petrol is a much nicer drive but you wont get much more then 400KM from a tank, a diesel will get you double that easily.

    I had one since 2009 and it has mostly never missed a beat, when service time comes its cheap, when something breaks parts are dirt cheap and anyone can fix it, you will easily get a 2 year old one with one year left of new car warranty for around $25k

    One of the best cars ever made in Australia IMO.

    • [Deactivated] on 20/03/2016 - 00:41

      Never take advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between then and than.

  • McFly on 16/03/2016 - 23:49

    Remember the previous ads?: "There's only one Jeep."

    f$^&@#g liars!

  • montorola on 17/03/2016 - 01:05

    I'd definitely look into the Mazda CX5. How about a Toyota of some sort?

  • ShortyX on 17/03/2016 - 08:49
    -1

    What about a second hand/near new Sorento with the balance of the 7 year, unlimited kms warranty?

    • dandandan on 17/03/2016 - 22:04

      Spot on I think, Sorento or Sportage up to two years old with balance of the 7yr warranty. Could defintley pick up a Sportage Platinum Diesel for under $30k.

  • TailsK on 17/03/2016 - 09:06

    I was going to recommend the new Subaru Outback, but it looks like it could be a bit out of budget. You can haggle a bit on price though, so it could be worth a try? It's good a lot of good reviews. They're also doing 5 year unlimited km warranty + 5 years roadside assist.

  • dogboy on 17/03/2016 - 09:14
    -1

    Anything but a Jeep. They are very unreliable and will cost a lot in repairs.

  • Stallion on 17/03/2016 - 10:24

    Is that the 5 LS or 7 LS for the Craptiva? Trying to gauge your budget is it 30k or under 30k.

    What about the 2016 Ford Kuga Ambiente (FWD) 4D Wagon. It's a 1.5L turbo with manual gearbox. Currently $27990. Think Ford have a sale on for these with 1.5% finance.

    Better than the other three.

    Depends on what you're after. Safety, performance, what you want to use it for. Does it have to be an SUV style? If not what about a Skoda Octavia?

    Other option is to see if your company does Novated Leasing. I find that helps me budget better because everything is included in the deduction out of my pay. So I know what is coming in each pay packet.

  • [Deactivated] on 17/03/2016 - 11:29
    +2

    I narrowed it to a similar choice 3 years ago: Outlander, Captiva or Nissan Xtrail.

    I ended up going with the Outlander 4x4 model, mostly because it has extra legroom for the driver (I'm quite tall).

    Great car. It has a 2wd, 4wd auto and 4wd lock mode (not just always 4wd), which helps with fuel efficiency (~700km/55L tank). I only ever sometimes put it in 4wd if its raining hard.

    Everyone will tell you it is shit because its under-powered. Honestly who gives a flying (profanity). You are buying a SUV and have better things to do with your family than taking off fast at traffic lights. I'm perfectly happy with it.

    I ended up buying a 1 year old model with a 7 year warranty. ~80,000k / 3 years later and the only thing that has broken down was the aircon (relay or something), which was fixed for free.

    • ed231 on 18/03/2016 - 11:05

      Same here. I really wanted one with 7 seats. i know it's not the best looking and the most powerful out of all other choices but i love driving it. No problems with snow or rocky terrain at all. Everyone's saying it lacks power. It does accelerates a bit slower but the speed and power are there when you need it. Captiva wasn't even a choice after reading a lot of bad reviews and the new xtrail wasn't out yet when i bought the outlander.

  • alucard147 on 17/03/2016 - 13:00
    +1

    WTF never ever touch JEEP and CAPTIVA
    all the holden cars end as a letter A is Korean broken shiiit company daewoo or something designed(PS: terrible electric design and stupid engine) whatever dead over 10 years
    captiva is a joke…………no more comment.
    well unless you have endless money to burn with it, can't say it wrong.
    the only choice left here seems to be Mitsubishi

    but since you are looking for a 2WD not 4WD and 2.0, only for 2 adult and 3 kids
    A mazda CX 5 will be much better choice since Mitsubishi is using OVER 10YEARS OLD TECH ……the fuel economy and engine performance, interior and design are just feel……not worth it………..

    • chiefbodge on 18/03/2016 - 11:45

      Holden AdventrA was made in Australia /smartasscomment

  • SupeNintendoChalmers on 17/03/2016 - 14:27
    +3

    I'd go Sportage/Tucson- best warranty in the business. Cheap servicing and parts. Reliability miles ahead of Captiva and Jeeps, probably on par with Mitsu.

    Interior wise beats the pants out of all 3

  • CLoSeR on 17/03/2016 - 14:39
    -1

    Don't but the JEEP!!!!

    Out of the remaining two I'd go with the Japanese made Mitsubishi.

    If you're able to stretch get a Subaru; love my Forester!

  • [Deactivated] on 17/03/2016 - 15:23
    +2

    Keep away from all things Jeep !
    Source : IQ 51+

  • [Deactivated] on 17/03/2016 - 15:37

    holden and ford has the highest defective rate, stuff holden

    • JDM4LIFE on 18/03/2016 - 12:13
      +2

      proof?

      • [Deactivated] on 18/03/2016 - 14:10

        http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/owners-of-lemon-cars-a…

        nuff said

        • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 14:12
          -1

          Percentage of respondents

          nuff said. Not exactly a demographic that's open to bias huh?

          Another quality article by mainstream media publishing.

        • [Deactivated] on 18/03/2016 - 14:15

          @Spackbace: and you have done your own survey to contradict their findings?

        • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 14:17
          -3

          @holyland:

          Sure, that's just what I'm going to spend my time on. I'll put up a poll, where there's no proof of ownership required, that's open to shill voting, and publish my results, for ignorant and naive people to refer to when making an argument.

          Sounds about right, yeah?

        • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 14:27

          @holyland:

          Lol neg voting my comments, is that your only defense? Wow

        • [Deactivated] on 18/03/2016 - 14:28

          @Spackbace: I have yet seen a single constructive point of view except bashing the results of a choice survey. Salty much coz you like those 'australian' brands?

        • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 14:30

          @holyland:

          If I give an opinion, it's based on personal experience, not biased data, nor do I use unsubstantiated comments like "holden and ford has the highest defective rate, stuff holden"

          Give your lack of a proper argument, I'd hazard a guess and say you own a 10yo European car and have never set foot in a modern Commodore.

          But you know, as they say, opinions are like cl*ts, every (profanity) has one.

        • [Deactivated] on 18/03/2016 - 14:39
          +1

          @Spackbace: Have you seen any1 upvote holden in this thread? All I'm hearing is your opinion is greater than the survey's. My missus drives a brand new ford focus and within 2 years the transmission needs to be changed. To replace it, there's a 12months+ queue from the dealer coz everyone is having the same issue. In contrast, how often do you see toyotas breakdown?

          burnWard

        • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 14:44

          @holyland:

          Wow, claims own comment as a burn, uses lousy SMH article to prove point, and bases all Holden & Ford cars because of a European Focus.

          Yeah, I don't need to keep going with this, I prefer to argue with people that actually know how to formulate an argument. I'm out before you decide to pull out the old 'your mumma' joke, coz I can see that coming in the next reply.

          Oh, but as to Toyotas, you really should talk to mechanics about their cars over the last 5yrs, you know, the Thai ones… but you know all about everything so you don't need to bother.

          Oh, and if you feel like reading over my comments on this post, you'll see I haven't even recommended a car for the OP's situation. OP hasn't been very forthcoming about what they need the car, so I can't recommend something without knowing that.

          Have fun with your Euro lol

  • [Deactivated] on 17/03/2016 - 16:21
    +3

    Motor mechanic here. I guarantee you will regret all three, but your dealers will love you. The best of an creadible shitty bunch is the mitsubishi, but get rid of it before 70k on the clock!

    • King Tightarse on 17/03/2016 - 16:33

      Why is that? Timing belt? Transmission failures? Other huge expensive failures?
      May I ask what you would recommend given the OP's parameters?
      Some have been suggesting Hyundai Tuscon/ Kia Sportage - thoughts?

    • [Deactivated] on 18/03/2016 - 10:09
      +3

      Captiva are just shit, beyond shit, shit would be an upgrade, everything from faulty electrics, poor quality materials the engines are made of. More than 1 I have worked on has had to have a new head before 100k on the clock. I even had a customer take me to court because he thought I was having a lend of him when I had to put a new cylinder head on his car at 80K, it was cracked. Because I was not smart enough to take photos of the faulty head and they asshat didnt complain about the bill until 6 months after he paid for it, the court agreed with him and I had to wear the cost. (don't get me started). When they and any of the holden range that is not commodore come in for service, I instruct my guys not to wind down the windows (the electric & manual winders just break). Never ever change the battery yourself, the computers are prone to electrical spikes so disconnecting/connecting the battery the wrong way can cost you big $$$. Pay an electrician or the dealer to do it instead

      Cherokee is American crap, mass produced to look big and tough but they aren’t really. A large part of my business is rebuilding steering systems and the failure rate on these parts is astronomical in the entire Jeep range.

      The outlander is basically a good vehicle, drives well, reliable, good on service costs and fuel. Just poor quality materials, that’s it only let down, after about 80k, things like computers, water pump, steering, etc start to fail leading to big repair bills. The look on a customer’s face when you tell them they need to spend 3k when a timing belt is due because so many things are worn out is not a good look.

      Yeah the Hyundai Tuscon Kia Sportage are both fairly reasonable vehicles. Only serving in those, I would also suggest looking into the Suzuki SX4, I’m a Honda/Toyota/Nissan fan myself, but I’m impressed with those, quite a surprisingly good vehicle. They have the reputation of being an old person’s car, but they are pretty decent, roomy and great on fuel. Minimal servicing costs too. No timing belt either.

      • montorola on 18/03/2016 - 11:08

        Just out of interest - do you get many Toyotas coming through? Everyone in my family raves on about how great they are and how their Camry/Corollas have stood the test of time and done over 200,000k's only with normal oil/filter changes. Just wondering if their reputation still holds true..

        • [Deactivated] on 21/03/2016 - 13:40

          Toyota, nissan, honda, mazda are all fairly on par there days.

      • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 11:14

        No timing belt either.

        Beautiful thing about all Suzukis, all chain driven :)

        • zeomega on 18/03/2016 - 20:53

          How hard is it to change the chain tensioner and how often? In some makes and models, it's so hard to replace the tensioner that its almost as expensive as doing a timing belt change, which happens to be every 100k ~ 160k or something along those lines.

      • King Tightarse on 18/03/2016 - 11:34

        Great answers, thanks.
        80,000ks and a cracked head - thats got to be user caused or a warranty issue?
        If it was out of warranty and the customer didnt do something stupid like cook the motor or refill with cold fluid on a red hot motor that was not running start and shock the head, well 80,000kms just isn't good enough. I would think suing the manufacturer, not the mechanic would be the way to go.

        • [Deactivated] on 21/03/2016 - 13:43

          It was used in a comercial situation which allowed the manufacture to dodge the claim.

      • JetLi on 18/03/2016 - 11:56

        I thought the latest Outlander is chain driven.

  • tomwhiteallnight on 17/03/2016 - 19:09

    Wouldn't get the craptiva just cause of the name.

  • Randxyz123 on 17/03/2016 - 20:10

    Call me crazy but I like the jeep. However the Mitsubishi is a safer bet.

    Why you would want a craptiva is beyond me….

  • TurkishDelight on 17/03/2016 - 20:14

    Jeep = Lemon.
    Captiva = Holden = LOL.

    Outlander = hmm good choice.

  • lionh3art on 17/03/2016 - 21:41
    +1

    Is there a 4th option? Get a cx-5 if you can afford it. I just got a Captiva5 6 months ago and can say that at 2.4L it has no power compared to my 1.8L 2004 corolla. Try driving uphill with the aircond on. Not to mention 15-16L/100km, you're dreaming with 10L/100km. Stay away from the Captiva!!!

  • [Deactivated] on 17/03/2016 - 22:28

    I've got the Jeep Cherokee Limited - I wouldn't recommend the 2.4L engine the car is heavy, the 3.2L v6 gets it around fine but it's not a rocket - anything less might struggle a bit. The boot isn't big despite its exterior size too. Its worth a look in at higher specs, but there's better choices out there than the base at the 36k mark.

    Im surprised the new X-trail or the updated CX5 didn't make your Shortlist. CX5 value is in the Maxx Sport AWD with the 2.5L engine (2L is sluggish) whilst the base ST X-Trail is cracking value in 2wd with its 2.5L engine and premium feeling spacious interior.

    Do yourself a favour and try out the cars on your shortlist rather than rely overly on other people's opinions - at the end of the day no point buying an outlander if that Captiva or something else feels better to you.

  • Lucky13 on 18/03/2016 - 08:15

    Holdens have problems, Mitsubishis are alright, not sure about Chrysler Jeeps. Would probably go for the Mitsubishi.

    Can you afford a Toyota Rav4 or Mazda Cx-3? They would be a better option.

  • [Deactivated] on 18/03/2016 - 09:02

    SURELY there is a Honda or Mazda you could consider. Failing that VW (not if you're going to keep it more than a few years) or even (vomit) Toyota.

  • ed231 on 18/03/2016 - 10:57

    The new Outlander actually look really nice IMO and plenty of space inside. under powered? for what? it will do what you need it to do but i would rather get the 4WD version though knowing you have kids, you might want to go to hit the slopes during winter or go camping maybe? I wouldn't even think twice and pick the japanese car. Plus the outlander is one of the safest crossovers out there. 2nd safest i think from an article i read maybe a year ago.

  • dosada on 18/03/2016 - 11:26

    Thank you for all the input and help. Really appreciate it. Unfortunately the feedback is not what i was hoping for and i am not prepared to do that much of a compromise.

    The solution in my case is, i will simply wait a bit longer and save some more money to be able to afford something i think i will be happy with. Unfortunately i am not the person that would by a car on a loan so that's it for now. Will ask same question in year or two, just with different choices to pick up.

    Again, thanks for all the help.

    • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 11:45

      What are you getting around in now? Obviously the new purchase can't be overly needed if you'd hold off for a year or 2! That's a pretty long time to go from 'want/need a car' to 'nah it can wait' lol

      • JetLi on 18/03/2016 - 11:58

        Well obviously all the crappy comments about his 3 options have scared him off…

      • dosada on 18/03/2016 - 11:59

        Now i have a 2010 camry. It drives well and there are no technical problems, i just wanted to upgrade while it's something worth

        • spackbace on 18/03/2016 - 12:00

          Looking at 7 seaters, did you really need the 7 seat option?

          And obviously you want something newer than your 2010, but any particular reason you wouldn't look at a 1yo car, for example?

        • nubzy on 18/03/2016 - 13:16

          2010 is not that old, I'd keep using until it died or I really wanted an upgrade and could afford it in full.

  • moonphase on 18/03/2016 - 12:26

    Just my personal experience, I didn't have great experience with Mitsubishi at all.

    Unless you have to take it to get the deals like 0% comparison rate finance stuff, I would look for something else in the similar range.

    Nissan's QASHQAI and X-TRAIL seems to be good car around $30k

  • Looking4Bargians on 18/03/2016 - 17:00

    What …. are you buying those lemons. ? But Why ???

  • pebee47 on 19/03/2016 - 15:29

    I bought a 2nd hand Tiguan diesel 850 k's on $65 is good for me. No rattles, nothings fallen off

    • moo on 19/03/2016 - 18:18
      +1

      1:18 scale model kit from Gamesworld?

      • pebee47 on 22/04/2016 - 10:19

        I presume you are trying to be sarcastic (= lowest form of wit), however since I don't get your joke it is totally redundant. Yes the Tiguan is boring (especially after my terrific 2-wheeler got wiped out), but gets me there, not too shabby performance (still get speeding tickets), and comfort is good. Carries what I want, where I want.
        I'm making my assessment of the Tiguan coming from a background of owning many vehicles from Honda N600 to Ford Fairlane to Suzuki Sierra to Land Rover to Discovery. Jobs over the years had many miles in bigger cars, sportier cars, plus a range of 4 wheel drives.

  • Jackson on 19/03/2016 - 19:27

    Mate this is dead easy, but you have already worked it out, 2 of the cars you picked are certified shit heaps.

    If I was you I would get the PHEV Outlander, not sure how much more it will cost but will save you a fair bit over the life of the car, and can't expect it to cost more than a Cherokee

  • slipperyslippers on 19/03/2016 - 21:06

    I have a landrover discovery 4. I need to downsize. I'd love some recommendations on suv alternatives.

  • snajper on 19/03/2016 - 22:25

    Cx5 or x-trail can be purchased for under $30k

  • bargainisg8 on 19/03/2016 - 23:37

    Nissan Xtrail\Dualis, Mazda CX-5 (diesel), Honda Odyssey (owned one in the past but old model though, can recommend one) - reliable, roomy, gives no hard time on long run.

  • Bargainkappa on 20/03/2016 - 08:12
    +1

    I bought a new subaru forester last year for 32k with tow bar and roof racks. Without those you could probably get it down to 31.

    Great car, no issues.

    I would recommend over the other 3 choices you have and it is very slightly over budget

  • solidice on 20/03/2016 - 09:51

    I was in an exact same situation a few months ago and weighting up the CX5, RAV4, X-Trail and Forester. After comparing features, and talking to a few mechanics everyone recommended the RAV4 or Forester. I ended up getting the Forester. I would suggest checking it out.

  • velcrochicken on 20/03/2016 - 12:07

    Xtrail, 200k on the previous model with not a single part requiring replacement.
    So if the new model is anywhere near as reliable that's what I'd get.

    • JetLi on 20/03/2016 - 21:44

      The base model comes with a 2.5L engine which is pretty good for the price.

  • [Deactivated] on 20/03/2016 - 12:27

    So many arm chair experts in here who know nothing about cars and are basing their responses of rumour and what they've heard rather than experience. I would strongly recommend you do not ask for car advice from a place like ozbargains. Go to car specific forums. Go to manufacture specific forums and get advice from owners.

    • King Tightarse on 20/03/2016 - 13:05

      I think you are being too broadly dismissive. You might miss some valuable contributions such as Buzzl1ght here: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/239058?page=1#comment-3546…, an experienced motor mechanic.
      Manufacturer's forums are fine but they are not free from bias. Go to a Fiat forum and you will have boundless reams of information no doubt; "this model over that one", "where to get those tricky Zibaldi relays for the 125", but you might miss overarching information such as them being all made from rust prone steel (just an example).
      What I am saying is they may be so entrenched that they don't have a balanced or bird's eye view of their own brands.
      I would say take advice from all quarters, but balance it up. The more you have, the more perspective you will have.

  • His_Holiness on 20/03/2016 - 13:11

    Why not the Commodore Sportswagon? Seems to be the forgotten family car.

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