50% off All Kobalt 80V Outdoor Power Kits:
- KOBALT 80v Cordless lawn mower $374
- KOBALT 80v ChainSaw $224
- KOBALT 80v Blower $224
- KOBALT 80v Munt string trimmer 16" $224
Link to full range - starts 12th May
25 May: Offer extended (while stocks last)
50% off All Kobalt 80V Outdoor Power Kits: Cordless Lawn Mower $374 | ChainSaw, Blower or String Trimmer $224 @ Masters
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Just a heads up, one of the reviewers claim
NotHappyJan101 Posted on April 15, 2016
Great mower but when I tried to order a new blade (as the blades are proprietary and there are no aftermarket blades that fit) masters informed me that they are a discontinued line and are unable to get them, so you can't buy spare blades so it renders the mower useless.
Cons: can't get spare bladeshttps://www.masters.com.au/product/101756077/kobalt-80v-53cm…
Since they are essentially the same products as Victa 80V, you can try to do a special order at Bunnings for either Kobalt blades (you might be surprised that Bunnings can get them) or Victa blades.
Can't you take them into a mower shop and have them resharpened?
Bunnings is also putting the 80V Victa on clearance. Strange that these 80V has only just comes out a year ago and now they are on clearance.
Did you see this in a catalogue?
@butterbuts: It's not on the catalogue, it's in store clearance. I would say nationwide as someone here posted the deal a couple of weeks ago for a store in Queensland and I also found it here in Lidcombe,NSW.
Having a look at other deals on here, it would seem that there aren't many mowers stocked in the 80V range, but the main items on clearance were the blower and line trimmer.
The batteries (which are a large part of the mower's cost) only have a finite shelf life.
Theoretically it's 300 charges for Lithium Ion batteries charged at 1C (1 hour fast charge).
This unit charges at 2C (30 mins), so that will reduce the battery life considerably.
My guess is a couple of hundred charges at absolute most, probably far less.
Charge it every 2 weeks as no need to mow every week. Even if it lasts 150 charges that's still 150/26 = 5.7 years.
I guess so. But I am cynical about the real life 9of the batteries in these devices, and worry about the cost of replacing them in a few years time.
Also consider that the capacity drops away over time, so whilst one battery is enough to mow the lawn when the mower is new, as the cells age it will start needing 2 batteries to do the same job. When 2 cells is not enough, the batteries could be considered "dead" even though they will still function for many years.
I think we've all experienced how mobile phones don't last as long per charge after a year or so. A phone battery is cheap, but this mower will cost hundreds to get going again.
This is true, but on the flip side, mobile phone batteries are charged and drained every day which is what the main contributor to loss of battery life is
@llama: Convenience costs money. Some people don't mind paying extra for convenience.
Why do you use an expensive petrol mower instead of a cheap manual push mower which will do the same job? Because it's convenient.
Nothing is indefinite. I personally don't have a lot of experience with mowers.
I don't understand why people bother saying petrol is far superior or Electric is better. Petrol will have more power and will more than likely run for longer (with semi regular maintenance). Electric is slightly less hassle in the short term as don't have to worry about getting petrol or changing the oil, but you might have a bigger hassle if you need spare parts or repairs. What it comes down it is what people are willing to spend their money on. Each to their own.
@butterbuts: True, however unless the likes of Honda or Biggs&Stratton go out of business I would be pretty comfortable that a petrol mower (with a reputable engine of course) will easily last 10 years. After all you'd expect a car to be able to go 200k km. I was kind of interested in battery power but I'm not entirely sure how I'd get a replacement battery down the track. The upside is lower maintenance along the way.
@butterbuts: … and chain saw, all without battery and charger. They never seem to have stock of the 80V Victa mower in the first place. However, Alexandra store might still have some as I saw about 4 of them there 6 months ago.
I have read that they are also similar to the Greenwork's mower, so one of these might work:
http://www.greenworkstools.com/search/?keyword=21-Inch+Lawn+…
Jeez, what the hell was the guy mowing to need a new blade?
all mower blades wear out eventually.Faster if it is an area that is sandy.
Cut the ends off the blade drill a hole each end and put 2 swing back mower blades on it ,works out much cheaper and if you cant do the work get a engineering shop to do it.
Spare parts are available for warranty claims from the supplier. Currently Masters does not stock a replacement blade, however replacement blades in can be easily found online at stores like eBay. We are in contact with the Buyer and Manufacturer to find out when spare blades will be available in stores.
I've got a friend who's interested but is concerned about warranty in case Masters shuts down. Who is the supplier? Will they be around if Masters isn't?
No need to worry about warranty, Woolworths have already stated they will honour all warranties and returns. I am following up more information with the supplier so I will try to get a contact number for their customer support.
@shaybisc: Hi shaybisc, Woolworths has only made the statement that they will honour all warranties, Masters is still in the process of being sold and we will know more once this process is completed.
If you have specific Warranty Issues please visit your local store with proof of purchase, call 1300 337 707 or private message us here and we can put you in contact with the right people.
Hi eug, if you have specific warranty or spare part questions please private message us and we can put you in contact with the supplier.
Is the catalogue sales starting tomorrow?
Looks like a great value mower, a pity about the blades, unsure whether to buy this.
I have been running my kobalt for the past 6 months. I picked up for $550. Very happy with it. My other half would never have mowed the lawn with a petrol mower but it is so easy to roll out and start mowing that she is doing it regularly for me. This mower is making me redundant so be careful!
Nice mowing noise, sounds like a muffled vacuum cleaner and no need for ear muffs.
Can't tweak,use, make a blade from another brand of Mower?
Exactly.
$374 for a product that you will never get spare parts for (not even blades)?
What a waste of money for a useless toy.
You can get a proper petrol mower for less than that kind of money!
petrol?! psah! back in my day it was steam powered mowers.. more torque and longer lasting, you kids and your corn swaddled petrol contraptions.. where will you be when that oil runs out? I'll still be mowing, high and mighty with my steam mower!
where will you be when that oil runs out?
My great great grandkids will still be using the mower.
ahh so they'll be multi-millionaires who can afford it at that stage will they? :)
ahh so they'll be multi-millionaires who can afford it at that stage will they? :)
Almost certainly - due to inflation, the monthly wage will probably be millions.
However, your idea for a steam mower is certainly a good one, especially when the fuel oil and coal runs out.
If you could heat the water using biofuel that was made by fermenting and distilling grass clippings, then you'd have the perfect product!
Luxury!!!, in our day we had to get down on our knees and chew the grass.
When you were a kid?
It takes a 21" bar blade - can't be that hard to find a compatible one, can it?
The 144WHr (2.0 x 72V) fast-charge batteries that come with these are worth a lot by themselves. Two with the mower. Electric bike?
Great purchase. At 80V it would have a very long charge time.
Plus it would be maintenance free and last ages longer than petrol poweredReally? My petrol mower is at least 10 years old now. No issues, starts first time, every time.
Good luck finding batteries and spare parts for this thing in 10 years time….
Good luck with your hearing damage and pollution =)
Never heard of hearing protection?
And pollution?? Electric mowers will become landfill more often than petrol ones. I will bet money that batteries won't be available years down the track thus requiring a whole new mower to be purchased.
There are already several lines that have come and gone. Maybe, just maybe, if you buy a strong, reputable brand you may have some chance getting batteries in years to come.
At 80V it would have a very long charge time.
The charge time isn't related to the voltage. Most Lithium batteries can be safely charged at 1C, which is one hour.
If you actually read the product link, you will see that this is claimed to have a 30 MINUTE charge time (ie: charges at 2C).
• Includes 2 x 80V 2Ah Li-ion batteries and 30 minute charger
Plus it would be maintenance free and last ages longer than petrol powered
It will almost certainly require the exact same amount of maintenance in the mower parts as any other rotary mower.
However the motor probably will not last anywhere near as long as a petrol motor.
And the batteries - they will require replacement as they are Lithium Ion cells inside a (sealed?) battery pack.
Of course, you will never be able to buy replacement batteires sop it'll be a case of having them repacked in a few years time. 80V 2aH is probably 20 or 21 x 18650 cells… let's say $5 each for decent cells plus double it to have them professionally fitted = $200 maintenance every 2 years (have fun claiming on your 3 year warranty).
Also, there is heaps of dinky plastic on this and the handle etc is flimsy. It's a bit of a toy, not a heavy duty device like (say) a Honda 4 stroke mower.
So, I'd say that overall this would require a LOT more maintenance than a petrol mower. Basically, you will be throwing this whole thing away ion a few years, as something like a switch or handle part will break and you will not be able to get spares for it.
Electric = more environmentally friendly? Not when you consider the life cycle cost.
So, I'd say that overall this would require a LOT more maintenance than a petrol mower.
It really depends on what petrol mower you buy. My friend's mower just leaked oil all over his garage floor. You have to spend good money on a good petrol mower if you want one that'll last 10 years.
Cordless mowers, just like cordless tools, are about convenience. It's not about cost. You will pay extra for that convenience.
Cordless mowers, just like cordless tools, are about convenience. It's not about cost. You will pay extra for that convenience.
And that is fair enough.
However I was specifically replying to a comment about maintenance and product life, not convenience.
Simply look at the words (from yoyomablue) that I quoted, and read my reply in context.
@llama: I was replying to your comment:
And the batteries - they will require replacement as they are Lithium Ion cells inside a (sealed?) battery pack.
Price not available till Thursday.
If Masters says they are unable to provide spare parts you can return it for a full refund.The manufacturer should provide the spare parts for a reasonable period of time after discontinuing a product.in this case at least five years.
By law they are supposed to keep spares for 7-8 years.
By law they are supposed to keep spares for 7-8 years
There is no such law. Time periods ARE NOT STATED in consumer law.
If Masters says they are unable to provide spare parts you can return it for a full refund.
LOL, yeah right.
58(2)(b) says that if the manufacturer gives a specified period, in writing, before supply, where they will provide spares, they are under no obligation to provide spares after that period.
Masters in this case is regarded as the manufacturer because the actual manufacturer does not have a place of business in Australia at the time of importation.
So, Masters is stating in writing that spares will be available for 7-8 years?
- If so, where do they say that?
- If not, then what's your point?
And what's any of that got to do with the erroneous comments above that "By law they are supposed to keep spares for 7-8 years"? Are you somehow trying to agree with that?
My point is, that if Masters or Woolworths has given a specified date, that is what you're stuck with. If they haven't, you have to argue about what a "reasonable time" is.
Thanks, I am getting hot under the collar and being rude and blunt (sorry).
My point is, that if Masters or Woolworths has given a specified date, that is what you're stuck with
Which they almost certainly don't.
If they haven't, you have to argue about what a "reasonable time" is.
Which is almost impossible to get definitive answer about from Fair Trading or whatever, especially if there was a "5 year" express warranty offered in the first place (which would be deemed more than reasonable by most people).
And then, if you still think you are in the right… in order to get it resolved you need to take the retailer or manufacturer to court, where you can sue a non-existent company for damages caused by their breach of the ACL.
Both "sachy" (in this case at least five years) and "abc" (By law they are supposed to keep spares for 7-8 years) speak with so much authority… which might be helpful if they were actually correct.
It blows my mind how much misinformation is given about the ACL on this site, which is horrifying considering that it's supposed to be a group of people who know all about shopping!
For onlookers - learn your rights for yourself, the consumer guides to the ACL is easy to read and understand.
Says here that it weighs 44lbs. The Ego, also sold by Masters, is 58lbs. Says also that the US version of the Ego is self-propelled but not the Kobalt. Was the Ego sold here self-propelled? I didn't pick that up when I checked it out last week.
http://electric-lawn-mowers-review.toptenreviews.com/kobalt-…
Scratch that. They are writing about the 40v Kobalt.
Can't the blade be sharpened? I have a flymo electric mower and still using same blade for over 10 years.
Sharpening mulching blades is sometimes more difficult. Mulching blades may have longer or curved cutting edges, and you may need several types of files to sharpen them. In some cases, you may have to resort to a 4-1/2-in. angle grinder. If your blade is too difficult to sharpen, take it to a hardware store or a blade sharpening service.
http://www.familyhandyman.com/automotive/lawn-mower-repair/l…
Would that apply to this? I don't know. How do you sharpen your Flymo blade? Put it in a vice and use a file?
Yup that's exactly how I do it.
I'd say blades would be the last thing broken in any mower, depending on what you're cutting I guess.
Very true but blunt blades do not give a nice cut.
Ego movers also got the issue of soft blades.
The blades wear out more comparing to my 20 year old rover.even cutiing soft grass.Great lawn mower, really happy with mine! Might get the trimmer or something now for the extra battery and charger.
Will this be on-line as well, or only in store? I'd imagine in-store only.
"Offer available online and in-store."
Cheers
I have this mower (last Masters deal).. It is brilliant.. The battery lasts about 30 - 40 mins depending on how long the grass is (it uses all 80W if you have thick and long grass). It takes about 30 mins to charge the battery from flat. So with this deal you get 2 x batteries. Make sure they are both fully charged when you start and you will never run out if you swap and charge.
The blade is just a metal blade that can be sharpened.
This is a GREAT deal.
You're lucky or must be cutting already well maintained short low density grass. I've found with my 80v Victa (apparently same mower) that if your lawn gets away from you then battery life will plummet to 15-20 minutes tops.
For my application, this means I need a third battery to do a medium size yard.
Please change the start date of the deal to 12th May Thursday.
80V is HUGE power for a trimmer, mine is 36V & pretty powerful.
Volts isn't a measure of energy.
But Volt is a component of power (P=VI), and assuming the current I is a constant for practical purpose, MiaSanMia is not wrong??
In principle yes, but you can't assume current is constant. It totally depends on the design of motor and how much current they designed it to draw under certain loads. For example this uses an 80V 2Ahr battery (80x2=160Whr capacity). I know Ego has a 56V battery for their mower that is 5Ah (56x5=280Whr capacity) so the Ego battery could easily provide more current from that battery and therefore much more power and also longer run time. Also depends on how dodgy they are with their voltage spec marketing.
Assuming current is constant for practical purposes is not really correct.
First for batteries (I know that wasn't what you were talking about, but still):
In terms of battery power, it has 80V @ 2.0Ah * 90% (144Wh).
In comparison, a 56V mower comes with a 4.0Ah battery option (202Wh). It also has a 7.5Ah option. So obviously batteries are not limited practically.
Most of the lower voltage mower systems have much higher amps (usually 7Ah+).Now regarding the motor:
The power output of this 80V mower is 1400W motor. That's 17.5A.
In comparison, there's a 56V mower (EGO) with 600W motor. That's 11A.
A variety of 240V mowers (corded) are available with anything from 1000W to 2000W motors. That's 4 to 8A.
There's a 36V mower with a 1400W motor. That's 40A.
There's a 24V mower (Enviro) with a 500W motor. That's 21A.
All assuming the mower can reach its full power.As you can see, current is anything but constant here.
Tips: There's a point where you don't need more power, but companies will try to convince you that you do. For example: vacuums and speakers are marketed the same way.
Why does the Ego have such a small motor? Probably save money, prevent break downs/extend life, allows usage of much smaller batteries (it has a 2Ah option).
More power = more stress on the parts of the mower and more stress on the battery. It will lead to a lower life (if not designed for the load), a bigger and heavier unit. Make sure the power output is justified!
Most of these power ratings are only achievable for very small amounts of time so it'd be if you are going through thick grass.
Any mower can deliver any power from any voltage if it has a sufficient battery to deliver that power.
Pretty sad, but not surprising, the ignorance in this thread about petrol v battery mowers (& garden tools in general)
Predominantly coming from dumb conservative voters (research shows they have lower average IQ & education) who gobble up information from ideoblogs and rarely have an effing clue about what peer reviewed science is.
Battery powered tools have less moving parts than petrol powered thereby resulting in longer lifespan. Plain & simple physics."Battery-powered tools have less moving parts"
- A mains-powered electric tool might have less moving parts than a petrol-powered tool, but experience (and physics) for many people is that the battery component of these types of tools is often the part that deteriorates in performance and life-span the fastest.When a blade is worn out, ease of replacement or repair is an issue, battery or petrol-powered.
Best not to rely on just theory, but also be a 'dumb' conservative who acknowledges they have no 'effing' clue, and so be open to the practical (even if unexpected by 'theory') experience of both oneself and others.
Due to the degradation in engines of petrol mowers petrol is 'less powerful' over time (you have to use more to get the same cumulative power output)
So the issue is EXACTLY the same for petrol mowers - loss of power over time.Likewise, the days of a gadfly and tortoise are both numbered, but not to the same extent.
Battery powered tools have less moving parts than petrol powered thereby resulting in longer lifespan.
I couldn't make up a stupider sounding sentence from a hippy if I tried.
It's the battery that makes battery powered tools last a much shorter time than petroleum powered tools because the battery dies.
Truly stupendous ignorance lel.
As opposed to the engine dying.
Get yourself an education, illiterate conservative (tautology)In a mature mass-produced consumer item which has both petrol engines and batteries, such as automobiles, which system experiences the most frequent failure? Four-wheel drive enthusiasts who travel cross-country sometimes go to the expense of installing a dual-battery system, because although engine failure might be life-threatening, we know that warm beer is a certain catastrophe (of course, they are afraid that battery failure is the common cause of the engine not functioning).
I didn't know derogatory language, believing qualifications are a proxy for reasonable thought, fixed political views and deriding other people as "illiterate" when they can write comprehensible sentences are evidence of a good education, but I guess I learn something new every day…
op says
50% OFF All KOBALT ranges
would that include the likes of hammers etc?
doubt it but if you are a trade member you get 25% all hammers this week.
Offer is only on Kobalt 80V Power Garden Kits - each kit includes a battery and charger
Full range available here
when does the sale start? lasoo apears to have removed the catalogue.
As per the post:
From 12 May
Catalogue hasn't been added to Lasoo as it not yet available. Most likely will be added on Thursday when the catalogue goes live. As you can see from the screenshot, the OP has taken a photo of the catalogue which presumably has been delivered to them.
So what do you do if you want a replacement battery in, say, 7 years?
Repack it.
It might work but if it is like many cordless drill batteries they have microcontrollers in them that flag the pack as dead when it deems appropriate so replacing the cells doesn't work. I have tried it with an AEG drill battery with new cells and it refuses to work. It is a well known issue.
What applies to a premium brand might not apply to an entry-level brand.
Buy a spare in advance
https://www.masters.com.au/product/101756093/kobalt-80v-2-0a…
Cheap at half the price!
it will likely not have a shelf life of 7 years without reduced capacity if it works at all.
Plus you've only got a fast charger to keep it topped up over the years waiting to be used.
I was being facetious regarding the spare battery. There is no way that anybody should store a Lithium for that long.
Which is why buyers of battery mowers need to seriously consider the availability of spare parts like batteries, motors and controllers.
Probably best to just class the thing as a throw away item, and then reassess the options at the time that failure occurs.
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If I didn't already have the Ego range of garden stuff I'd be all over these. Decent reviews and looks good value at 50% off.