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NOTE the oracle is already posted but this is the better deal IMHO
I use this machine at work every day and it makes a stella coffee
Breville BES920 Dual Boiler Espresso Machine $899.10 Free Shipping @ Myer
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Lrankardio on 03/07/2016 - 12:50 myer.com.au (640 clicks)
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Best I know of on smart grinder at the moment is buying from the Breville outlet store for $180. But stock is hit and miss and they only ever have a couple, so it doesn't meet the requirements for posting as a deal.
If you do find it sub $150 I'll buy as well!
I've got all the keyword alerts into Google, let's wait and see.
I'll just use my vitamix till it's a good priceFinally got one 2nd hand in mint condition for $130.
Had taken perfect care of it, still had the box. All accessories, manual and smelt like the most amazing brew.good luck in a hunt for yours
brilliant machine, bought one in the last good guys ebay promotion - make sure you pull the shot separately to steaming the milk otherwise it wont pull with enough pressure
That's a little disappointing, I thought the point of a dual boiler was so you could do both at once? Though I guess an extra 20 seconds making a coffee isn't the end of the world.
I think it's probably more to do with the coffee beans / ground. I'll test this week. Definitely expecting to do both at the same time otherwise the barista express would be a better deal
maybe - im using the BES920+grinder that came with the other package 6 weeks ago… i grind using 19grams with grinding set at 6 "super fine espresso" - the bean i use is from Clements (St Ali)
@phat-dave: there are a bunch of factors, don't go by grams unless you are already getting the shot you like every time because the coarseness of the beans may vary even if you are using the same setting. are you about 3mm from the top of the portafilter after tamping?
are you using single wall or double wall filter?
how many bars of pressure are you getting?
could also have a faulty valve if you are doing everything right
btw i didnt neg you, no idea why anyone would not like your experience of it…
edit - assuming you are using fresh beans because they are st. ali
@clickship:
hey mate, not sure on the filters - i think it's just the single? about 3mm would be "about right" after i compress it etc when it's pulling its just shy of 11psi@phat-dave: try little less pressure when you tamp.
you want to aim to get around 9 bars. tamp with a straight arm.i was going to say if your pressure is low you can use a pressurised filter or "the dual wall filter" as they are called.
it might be worth experimenting to see if you get better results
a properly working machine shouldn't allow much more than 9bar to go through…
i hear our OPV kick in when there's too much ground coffee or they're too fine. the pressure gauge kinda just goes past 9, we hear the OPV, then drops back just below 9 and will do it a few times until the pressure stabilises.
i usually check the weight of my grounds, if it's ~20g ill make the grind a little courser. if its over 20g ill just change the grinder to spit out less.
make sure you pull the shot separately to steaming the milk otherwise it wont pull with enough pressure
You sure you've got the right model?
we've had a bes920 for a year and always start with steaming milk (until it hits about 40 degrees) and then pull the shot. shot finishes just as the milk is done = perfect.
it has two seperate boilers each with their own pump - one shouldn't effect the other.
edit: whoops was meant to be a reply to phat-dave
yep - use ~16 gram dosage and no issues, try pulling 19-20grams of super fine espresso while steaming and it'll trickle out and needs 6-8 seconds of manual water - dont steam and she'll flow like a waterfall.
we use 20 gram doses to pull 60 gram shots with no probs regardless of weather we steam or not. sure your machine is ok? my in laws have the same machine with no issues
make sure you pull the shot separately to steaming the milk otherwise it wont pull with enough pressure
Are you sure you machine is not faulty?
You know the first 7 sec is low pressure pre infusion?
Conveniently I was just about to make a couple of coffees on this machine…an espresso and a milk coffee. Both sat between 8.5-9 bar for the shot and volumes were within a couple of ml of each other over 30sec. Milk was steaming the entire time the second shot was pouring.
Ain't the case! …. mine does both at the one time, as per the dual boiler design.
I have been using this machine every single morning for almost 2 years. I can confirm that this is not true.
I have one and pulling a shot and steaming milk at the same time is absolutely fine. Perhaps you have a fault.
The Sunbeam EM7000 is going for $614.10 after discount and coupon. I know its an older machine, but I've heard good reviews. Would anyone have comparisons between the two?
the sunbeam isn't a dual boiler, i would go the dual boiler without question
the sunbeam is a dual boiler. Its been great for me
sunbeam is a dual thermalblock, so it's different tech to a dual boiler. End result is the same - steam milk and brew coffee at the same time!
dual boiler is very very different to dual thermoblock
you get water at a certain temperature and pressure and steam at a certain flow rate…… I love my thermo block for the fast heat up times in the mornings.
I,ve for the em 7000 it's great for a 2 person household And that cup in the mornings.@garage sale: thanks mate. I still remember this deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/147870
Still kicking myself I didn't get it!
The BES920 only takes about 90 seconds to heat up, which is comparable to the Sunbeam. I've owned both, and both are great machines.
@ash2000: thanks ash2000. Im assuming the Breville is a newer machine than the Sunbeam, is there much advantage this one has over the Sunbeam? From what you and others have said above they're comparable. I guess the breville has a more refined design.
The breville is newer and as mentioned different tech. From what I understand, the Breville has the following up it's sleeve:
- PID which is adjustable by the user. Allows you to dial in the exact brew temp and steam boiler temp.
- Greater steaming power as it has a boiler full of steam rather than trying to heat water to steam on the fly through a thermoblock
- OPV (over pressure valve) prevents any more than ~9 bar of pressure going through the grounds.
- Can be scheduled to power on every morning
- Shuts off after an hour (by default, can be disabled)
- Auto cleaning modeThe sunbeam is still a good machine, my brother has one and he loves it. Just depends if the above is worth the ~$300 difference to you
The biggest advantage of the Breville over the Sunbeam is the "consistency" that its able to produce good coffee. With thermo-block machines the water passes through the thermo-block, if your extraction is slower, the water passes through slower and heats up more, thus it hits the coffee at a higher temperature (resulting in more bitter extraction). Inversely, faster extraction, lower temp, less body, and a more acidic taste.
A boiler based machine will provide water to the coffee at an exact temperature every time….by default this is 92c with the Breville.
That said, if you pull a nice ~25-30 second shot from the sunbeam, your coffee will be just as good as the Breville.
Of course lots of other little advantages with the Breville, better pre-infusion technology, better build quality….and many of the points listed by "ideasman". I find that the Sunbeam has higher steaming power than the Breville.
So I guess a boiler machine is always preferable to thermo-block machines (all commercial machines use boilers), but at the end of the day the Sunbeam is able to produce just as good a cup, albeit perhaps less consistently than the Breville.
@ideasman @ash2000: thanks for the insights guys. Much appreciated.
I remember ages ago when this was $400 - tipped off from no other place than Ozbargain.
Stellar. Stella is a lady on a tram in New Orleans. Or a lager.
STELLAaaaaaaaaaaa…….
Can't you hear me yella?!
You're puttin' me through hella!
Stella…STELLA!!Sheila goes out with her mate Stella
Good price, and probably the correct price for this appliance. Certainly the rrp is laughable.
That aside, ripper machine. Thinking of having one as a backup to the Oscar.
i heard that they are discontinuing the BES920 (dual boiler) and only going to have the Dynamic Duo (BEP92) which is the dual boiler with the smart grinder bundled together.
same RRP ($1699) - i don't know why they really bother setting the RRP so high, i doubt many people are buying it full price.
i think if they had it at $1099 RRP it would make a lot more sense because then it would be a good deal even with their normal 20% off deals.
Brilliant machine, I bought mine 4 years ago (BES900) still extracts to perfection up to today - my usage is once or twice daily, and 10-12 times on weekends
Wow, You must be buzzing on the weekend.
I have the Sunbeam EM7000 from the OzB $399 deal in 2014.
It's an amazing machine and I make great coffee with it.
However I have always wondered about the dual boiler Brevile BES900.
Anyone used both? Care to comment on if the BES900 is worth upgrading too?
Big difference? minor? Major? How does the extraction compare? I get great creama and extraction on the EM7000, but there's just something that makes me feel it is a 9.5 out if 10, not a 10 out of 10.
comments?
I dont think it's much of an upgrade, unless your EM7000 breaks.
i chucked a few comments further up: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/255673#comment-3826237
TLDR: probably not worth it if you're happy with your current machine :)
Thank you ideasman.
Very useful, I'll keep punishing the EM7000 until it beats no more. Then I'll move to a dual boiler.
I've owned both, and made some points here @ash2000:
In short, if your pulling great shots, not worth the upgrade.
When your machine needs replacement, the Breville is an excellent upgrade and definitely worth the money.
Hi Ash,
Thank you. You're description of the thermoblock vs dual boiler was very helpful. I learnt something today!!
I'll stay with the em7000 for now. Very happy with the coffee. One day I'll move to a dual boiler when the EM7000 has worn out.
Thanks again
Great machine for the price
I tried to post this yesterday but it said the coupon was already on the oracle deal. Didn't think to make it all caps, posted it in the comments.
Yeah it's a great price, now just need to hunt for the smart grinder sub $150