OK, this is an email only special price which means … you can also use your GB points
EG: I had 156 GB points - price became USD20.87 or ~AUD27.08USD
I don't think these have been cheaper.
Normal caveats; use the link from this post, there is no embedded referral, its an email link price. You then add it to your cart and can still use GB points (bonus ~ price is low at $23.99 usd anyway with AUD as strong as it is)
Edit: Might not meet Australian standard (as per discussion here).
serious question. Do these imports comply with ANY local state laws?
I'm not saying they don't work or are not great products, I always thought they didn't comply, as they don't carry the aus certs etc.
I don't think the AC plugs meet AS/NZS as the live pins aren't insulated.
pins? Isn't it hard wired?
Even if it was insulated, it'll fail as it doesn't have the required ticks and stickers ;)
It's battery powered.
Am I correct in saying that if you had some of these (perhaps in addition to the Aust. approved ones that you are required to have) then if the smoke detector activates it could turn on Xiaomi lights etc throughout the house, to help escape at night?
Yep, very good use case.
yes assuming your wifi is still up, internet is still up ;)
ie fire wasn't caused by a elec short that tripped the power.
yes assuming your wifi is still up, internet is still up ;)
I think this goes without saying.
@Lorindor: Not really, some don't think of these things or know how things work behind the scenes.
Also as a commenter below pointed out, if you have more than one unit, you also need wifi/internet up for the other units to sound as well during a fire, unlike the nest.
Knowing my luck, Murphy would make sure the router starts the fire
As long as you have power to the whole house still
If yuo have Mi night lights in the hallways you should be ok
These will not be compliant for any Australia laws and will not meet any legal requirements in new houses, renovations etc.
If you can afford it, go for the Nest Protect.
- This alarm doesn't have a CO2 sensor like the nest Protect
- Doesnt make an independent wifi link to other alarms without the gateway so if there is a power failure it will not communicate with the other alarms.
Good point re power… I assume having the Gateway on a UPS would help ?
You need to have gateway, access point, router and internet (as it will need to communicate with Mi Server) all up for them to alert each other, so if the fire knocks out one of those only one alarm will work
An excellent alternative, but I think you mean CO detection. If it was CO2 wouldn't it be going off continually?
https://nest.com/au/smoke-co-alarm/overview/
10-year CO sensor.
Carbon monoxide is poisonous, but you can’t see it or smell it. That’s why Nest Protect has a long-lasting carbon monoxide sensor that keeps working for up to a decade.
https://www.gearbest.com/alarm-systems/pp_615081.html?eo=2pd…
Q- Does is detect smoke and CO ( carbon monoxide ) or just smoke
By Pk Jul-30/2017 03:07:56
A- Hello Pk,
Thank you for your inquiry.
It is just a smoke sensor.
Let me know if you need any help.
https://www.qfes.qld.gov.au/community-safety/smokealarms/Pag…
Won't meet legislative requirements in QLD.
What requirement doesn't it meet?
not having a sticker stating compliance with the current Standard.
Even if technically it complies, it must be labelled as such.
Ok, thanks. Maybe OP should be updated?
yeah, whilst it may be technically superior, if not tested to comply with AS …and so labelled…there can be dire legal/insurance/liability consequences.
@alxr0101: Maybe if you're a landlord installing it for residents, but if it's your own house, is there any legal requirement even to have a smoke alarm? Maybe there is in some states?
@rhino015:
Yes, and in QLD they have to be hard wired with battery , trigger all other alarms (not sure about needing to contact an off-site server). Also needs to be in each bedroom. Requirement trigger for on sale or rental of property.
@not a bargain: No, until 2027 they don't need to be hardwired if not hardwired already. They can be interconnected with wires or wirelessly. And no, they don't need to be in each bedroom until 2027. This is recommended at this stage.
@brazen00: My understanding is that if you, from last year, sell your property or rent it out, then it does need to comply with the new standards?
@random110: Not sure sorry - I'm just going by the information on the QFES website. There seems to be 2 stages of requirements - post 1/1/17 and post 1/1/27.
See what your insurance company has to say about your claim….They look for any excuse to weazel out of a claim.
I suppose you could ALSO install compliant detectors, to cover yourself.
Australian Standards (AS) 3786-2014
Battery does not meet standard of 10yrs, non removable
Inter connectivity does not meet standard
Not datestamped
While is it a good move from existing older smoke detectors, it fails to meet the requirements to be considered in place of a smoke detectecor in QLD
Still can be used as a supplemental detector to work with the approved ones
We got some of the Nest Protects and the missus tested it out the other day with burning some food and all the speakers went off like they should, which makes me feel better for my kids safety if there is a fire everyone in house will definitely hear the alarm especially tho heavy sleepers. Not just an alert but it also tells you where the smoke/fire is coming from so you can plan your escape better.
Also no worries about having to have internet online for the communication, incase the fire is in garage taking out all my communication equipment like mi gateway
Haha did your missus burn the food on purpose to test the Nests? :)
Sausages in the airfryer, make alot of smoke
She must be standing over you when you replied.
Who puts a sausage in the airfryer?
@klownvandamn: someone who buys from a shopping channel perhaps. If they say you can "BBQ" in a slow cooker, then you can do anything :P
Thanks, just bought a few to cover the house in addition to the ordinary battery ones we already had
I see this as you but it so you can get a notice of house is on fire and you are at work, or it activates the rest of your Xiaomi kit ….
You would still have the $10 bunnings smoke detector also.
Also there has been much debate about photoelectric vs ionisation as they kick in first under different circumstances …. so you'd add the $10 bunnings one to supplement this.
Yeah, I think this is the use case that I want too - run compliant, locally sold devices for reliability/safety/alarming/insurance and run the xiaomi for notifications while off-site.
Yeah no issue with the Nest Protect being a great unit too, but getting 6 of these for the same price will give better coverage around the home with the existing battery ones in main areas.
Obviously with the caveat that if it’s the Xiaomi gateway that causes the fire you won’t get notified remotely or have them all trigger at once!
The nest can also tell the difference between steam and smoke, which is nice when someone wants to have a really long shower
Bathrooms aren’t on my list of places to put these however, so it’d have to be a really long shower with the door open! I’ve never had any of my existing alarms (including two in corridors right outside bathrooms) trigger from steam.
@ricochet: We have one in hallway that is near the bathroom, so atleast if the kids have a long shower it shouldnt set it off
I have 4 Nest protects, but willl be getting 4 of these for the bedrooms as the nest are very costly
Does this meet legislation in western Australia ? Have hard wired mains power one already so guessing this one is still ok?
As long as you have the appropriate number of hard wired and compliant sensors then I imagine it should be OK to have extras.
Was pondering the same because I’d like interconnected smoke alarms off my alarm so I can get fire alerts but the alarm powered ones don’t complete because the 12V supply can be switched.
Thanks for this mate , dunno but I'm still gonna wait til price drops again to be honest haha
Yeah as long as you keep the right number of hardwired, all good to have extras. That's what I'm planning to do, the extras are more for when I'm out of the house etc. Might be able to prevent a small fire becoming a giant one or at least save a few things etc if I'm nearby
True that does come in handy. Sometimes I have trouble loading the mi home app with all the devices to deactivate alarm when I get home for example..but all the sensors and all that do work, so would get notified at least
WA doesnt have the new rules as QLD yet, but it probably wont be long until all states have similar
Ok thanks for this mate , good to know
huh?
Does it has built in battery ?
Hello M.I.,
Thank you for your inquiry.Built-in CR123A cell battery ( Voltage: 3.0V ).
Hi, product includes battery? what is the battery needed for this fire alarm detector? Thanks Carlos
Hello Pereira
The battery is not included.
Yes you need to buy the CR123A battery separately. Shipping them is a pain.
Grab some from Jaycar - a six pack is about $18
I think I would prefer just a smoke sensor, so you could just connect it to a Xiaomi gateway and have it act like the alarm, therefore reducing the size of the sensor and possibly making it cheaper.
Doesn't xioami have one of those. I remember when this fire alarm was announced there was something else to go with it.
If anyone also uses homeassistant, it integrates with it as well
Yes I trust Xiaomi with my life.
Get a toilet seat and link it to the smoke detector
What makes it any different some those sold at Bunnings?
Toilet seat or the smoke alarm?
Smoke alarm is more like the nests than the el-cheapos sold at bunnings.
Integrates with Xi Home and all its glory.
Put gateway on some sort of UPS or battery pack and have it light up your house like a christmas tree by switching on all lights and get yourself out of the house?
These are cheap for what they do; don't comply with our "safety" standards and are cheap as chips at the moment…
Toilet seat or the smoke alarm?
Considering my reply was in response to Andeeb's sarcastic comment, it's in regards to the smoke alarm being worse than units sold in Australia.
I know what the differences are, I just wanted them to explain their joke.
Compliance
In relatively new houses in Victoria they have to be hardwired. But no harm to have these as additional backups. Even the Nest one doesn't comply with Victorian standards from memory.
Hardwired or 10 year battery. Also interconnected
nest hardwired is the cable needs extra insulation and then you have no issues
So do these things still go off when I cook some toast or do other general cooking in the kitchen or have they improved?
…ionisation alarms tend to be more prone to nuisance alarms caused by cooking fumes or burnt toast. So while ionisation alarms can give a useful additional level of fire protection, they should not be the only type you have in your home.
Dual sensor alarms (which contain both ionisation and photoelectric sensors) are also worth considering, provided they aren't installed in a location (such as near a kitchen) where the ionisation sensor could be prone to nuisance alarms from cooking. source
edit
Sensitivity test
I have carried out a couple of experiments, which are fully described in my video review. The smoke of four lit and extinguished matches are quite enough for the detector’s gateway to be activated. The gateway connected to the detector turns on the alarm mode. The detector starts to make a growing alarm signal. The smartphone starts to receive alarm signals. source
You might not like it then ….
This is a question about gearbest not the alarm. I ordered a bluetooth speaker from them back in November. Had a shipping email from them with tracking number, item has still not arrived and Aust Post has no info on tracking number. I have emailed them but just wondering if this would be a usual delivery time for them. First order with them so not sure, thanks
Anywhere from 3-6 weeks in general.
Gateway is on Chinese cloud, so if there is a fire will it trigger alarm in Shanghai Metropolitan Fire Service?
+1
At end of day its better to have something then nothing. My concern is insurance companies not wanting to pay out because you have a non compliant smoke detector installed.
*than
This is true no doubt. There's insurance but potentially also criminal offences particularly if a landlord.
Yeah true. The Xiaomi powerboards ok probably a good chance of it not being a problem with insurance, but if it's a fire it's pretty likely they will look at smoke alarms (as opposed to the unrelated Xiaomi powerboard on the otherside of house).
I would of been all over these if they were Australian compliant as I have so many Mi products
The normal everyday price of this is $31AUD delivered on Aliexpress. Not much of a deal here as there's also 4% cashback on Aliexpress.
Probably why there's no coupon for this.
I have a couple, solid product, construction seems good. Integrates nicely with the gateway and the Mi Home app. Of course always check the regs in your individual state to see that you comply with state law with respect to smoke detector requirements.