[POLL] Cyclists Basically Never Yielding at Stop Sign on Stanley St, Woolloongabba, QLD - Is There Anything I Can Do?

ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 12:27
Last edited 25/07/2018 - 14:37 by 1 other user

So here's the jist - I'm not trying to stir up any heated discussions over cyclists using the road.

There's just a frustrating interaction I have with many cyclists 3 or so times a week on my commute to work in the morning. Here's the location the cyclists come from: Little Stanley Street (I'm usually on the inside lane, if you read further, images included)

Clearly the cyclist lane goes up to, and through, the Stop signage. Cyclists just blaze through this with wanton neglect - I have only seen a handful of cyclists stop at this sign, and I've been driving this route for about a year now, Monday to Friday.

In this image you can see my route in the lane with a red arrow, as I drive further along the lane and then turn left onto the motorway or you can see where on Google maps

Edited here for clarity: The issue being when they don't stop at this sign they are often over-taking traffic that is going slower, and then are riding along the cyclist lane and it inhibits drivers turning onto the motorway as they merge, because the vehicle is going slower, thus cutting off the cyclist, technically. If the cyclist/s had stopped at the Stop sign, vehicles driving past and turning into the exit lane would already be on their way up the ramp before the cyclist got into the cyclist lane. This is amplified when there is a file of cyclists along this route not stopping at the sign, which is common.

The point of the Stop sign is to filter traffic and bikes onto the road in a timely manner and to space them apart - that's why it's there.

This flagrant disregard for obeying traffic laws is really twisting my knickers, because I see it a handful of times a week. It's like they don't think this stop sign applies to them!

What do the Bargain of Oz users think?

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  • 23
    Nothing you can do, but I agree - what a pain
  • 106
    Nothing you can do, get over it
  • 6
    Bikies (not bicyclists)
  • 128
    Post a strongly worded paragraph straight to QLD Police's Facebook page
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Comments

      • Rollins on 25/07/2018 - 15:58
        +14

        This whole post was worth it for the fact I now have that url…. Thank you !

      • buckster on 26/07/2018 - 08:02
        +5

        I hope Sean was okay lol

      • rlay3 on 26/07/2018 - 15:19

        My new favourite site

      • ozbjunkie on 30/07/2018 - 18:59

        Good list, but not exhaustive… No affirming the consequent, no denying the antecedent.

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 13:48
      -2

      What has whattaboutism got to do with it? I don't see a heap of drivers particular break a certain law in a specific location often. Brah.

      • Miss B on 25/07/2018 - 18:53
        +3

        When I lived in QLD the extremely common ones I saw were running red arrows, sitting in the right hand lane on the freeway when not overtaking, and not indicating. This is still not relevant to the OP though.

        • [Deactivated] on 25/07/2018 - 21:52

          I’ve noticed that Queenslanders are particularly bad at roundabouts (all aspects) and they also tailgate a lot.

        • Munki on 26/07/2018 - 11:23
          +1

          I noticed no "Keep left unless overtaking" signs when I was in QLD. It's not until you get to the NSW border you start seeing them. Is it not a thing in QLD?

        • Miss B on 26/07/2018 - 12:20
          +1

          @Munki:
          https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/road/left

          It is, they just don't follow it.

        • dannyboi on 26/07/2018 - 14:07

          @Miss B:

          Oh geez. I didn’t know that. We were up in Brisbane for a week and I noticed people were staying in the right lane on the Bruce Highway. I assumed there wasn’t a “Keep Left” law.

        • downbythecreek on 27/07/2018 - 15:23

          @dannyboi: The Bruce Highway has 'lane control' signs though, which mean keep left unless overtaking. That highway is filled with terrible drivers though and I get the pleasure of dealing with them everyday!

      • based on 25/07/2018 - 20:51
        +2

        Try this exact spot at 4-6pm when turning left onto the motorway is prohibited

    • jno on 27/07/2018 - 07:19

      Get over it when you get run over mmkay? Guess who feels it more when a bike collides with a car

  • ShannonN on 25/07/2018 - 12:32
    +9

    Keep a diary, track these incidents catch them on a camera and after a few weeks send the footage to the police, put it on any of the major Cycling magazines\associations FB and web sites citing this is what is happening. While we know the cops won't do shit as there is no money in it it does bring awareness to the issue

    • MrSammyMcG on 27/07/2018 - 08:29
      +3

      Cops are just in it for a biscuit it seems these days.

    • ozbargainer88 on 27/07/2018 - 09:40

      Ayy you've kept track of your fair share of incidents am I right Nollsy? Haha just pulling your leg mate. While I've got ya, can you return my lawnmower?

    • JediJan on 27/07/2018 - 15:40

      That's really not such a bad idea. You may get more of a result from the RAC though. Having these recording video cameras in cars seems to be the only way to go now.

  • pjetson on 25/07/2018 - 12:38
    +15

    Dashcam footage to police?

    • try2bhelpful on 25/07/2018 - 13:28
      +5

      That was my thought as well. Give the footage to the police and, hopefully, they will setup a bike patrol and fine them. The cops did a similar thing around the Treasury building in Melbourne. They just stopped them and booked them.

  • djkelly69 on 25/07/2018 - 12:39
    +3

    Nothing you can do except drive over it..

    • idonotknowwhy on 26/07/2018 - 10:17

      LOL (but I don't think I'm supposed to laugh at things like this)

      • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:06
        -2

        I'm told I'm OTT, but I reckon just a few need to be run over to set an example for the rest of them

    • Fergy1987 on 25/07/2018 - 13:25
      +9

      Problem is, blasting your horn can potentially lead to them freaking out and falling off the bike and then you running over them because you weren't expecting them to be lying on the road…..and if you do that, you're gonna have a bad time.

      • Levathian on 25/07/2018 - 14:22
        -5

        They should be obeying the rules.

      • bobolo on 25/07/2018 - 15:05
        +1

        Not if I have a dashcam

      • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:09
        -1

        Not as bad as the guy that was on the bike… and I think someone needs to take one for the team - one's the bike riders learn it isn't going to be tolerated, it should stop

    • Rifraf on 25/07/2018 - 13:45
      +13

      What does the road code say about what circumstances you should only use your horn?

      • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 13:51
        +8

        lmao, that's what I was gonna say. Quickest way to cause an accident and is definitely an illegal use.

        • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:10
          +1

          using the horn to warn a rider you're about to bump him is not the illegal part of this situation

      • Levathian on 25/07/2018 - 14:22
        -2

        I think breaking the road rules and causing a hazardous situation is sufficient to use the horn.

      • JediJan on 27/07/2018 - 15:47

        I was starting to think the road rules for horn blasting was different interstate. Was in NSW last week and I was once bipped even though my vehicle was first to move off at lights on a 4-5 lane highway. Perhaps my VIC rego annoyed the driver?! Seriously though, there seemed to be cars bipping others for no apparent reasons … not always me (I tried extra hard to avoid those bus lanes this time) lol.

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 13:59

      Unfortunately your turn onto the freeway will be shut off permanently (you'll have to go via Allen and Leopard Sts) in the near future when the bike way is built.

      Saywhuttt? Are you serious?

      • brazen00 on 25/07/2018 - 14:00
        +2

        No, that's been overruled by the State Gov at this stage.

        • Levathian on 25/07/2018 - 14:23

          Oh thank goodness, the last I heard the final proposal was to shut it off (which is annoying as I use that ramp all the time)

      • Levathian on 25/07/2018 - 14:24

        It was in the final proposal but I haven't heard anything since. They were going to close the turning lane and make everyone do a loop around Allen St.

  • Nugs on 25/07/2018 - 12:46
    +1

    I thought Queenslanders just use a hose to sort em out?

    .

  • beefsandwich on 25/07/2018 - 13:06
    +28

    At least they're not each driving one car in traffic in front of you.

    • jayniner on 26/07/2018 - 15:37
      +3

      Found the bike rider! :P

    • belongsinforums on 27/07/2018 - 22:52

      Riding is much faster than driving in inner city Brisbane

  • Randxyz123 on 25/07/2018 - 13:10
    +9

    Get a dash cam and capture people doing it over a month. Compile the footage and post to dash cams aus,Qld police, local cycling pages.

    Most cyclists have something so far up their arse they won’t care. They’d be first to call the police if they got hit or if a car did it though.

    Honked at a cyclist for running a red a few weeks back. Same bloke caught up with me at the next set of lights and said “traffic lights don’t apply to cyclists, if it’s safe to go we can go”

    Honestly the majority of cyclists I’ve met are the biggest stuck up pricks on the road.
    Yet if they get hit, it will hurt them badly.

    • try2bhelpful on 25/07/2018 - 13:48
      +6

      One day he will come a cropper and find out not only do the road rules apply to him but so do the laws of physics.

      • harrywwc on 26/07/2018 - 15:48

        as long it's not the Laws of Mathematics - commendable as they are, apparently they don't apply in Australia - Mal (you know, the PM-one) said so.

  • o53djz7qTPY4der on 25/07/2018 - 13:15
    +6

    Does your car have brakes that you can use to slow down so the cyclist therefore no longer inhibits your merging onto the motorway?

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 13:53
      +3

      I drive a car similar to this, so not really

    • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:13
      -1

      I don't have brakes like that. I have an accelerator and a bumper so such situations

  • tsunamisurfer on 25/07/2018 - 13:18
    +15

    I'm a cyclist.

    I hate other cyclists who blatantly disobey the law, a part of me wishes they get what they deserve when running red lights, riding 2 or 3 abreast.

    My advice however, build a bridge and get over it.

    Surely you have something more meaningful in life to be concerned about that some cyclists crossing a line on the road without regard for their own safety.

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 14:01

      Surely you have something more meaningful in life to be concerned about that some cyclists crossing a line on the road without regard for their own safety.

      It just happens a lot during the week and makes my blood boil, because I give cyclists the benefit of the doubt and don't whinge about them using the road. I'm whinging now about them skipping the Stop sign and holding up traffic because of them skipping the Stop sign.

      • dammit on 26/07/2018 - 09:53
        +12

        I reviewed the images. sorry but I don't understand how whether they stop, or don't stop, is going to change the outcome that they are in the way when cars are trying to exit left while their green cycle lane continues straight. If they stop at the sign, aren't they going to be even slower - because they come to a complete stop, start going again (at a slower speed), then are in the way still when cars are trying to exit?

        I actually think its a poor design - but what can you do, unless they built a flyover ramp to enable the cyclists to get over the top of that merge lane which is exiting etc…

        I personally don't think the lack of stopping vs not stopping is the issue of cyclists. I can see why they don't stop at it, because their little green lane continues and is uninhibited by the left turn so there is technically no one for them to give way/stop to, unless a car was pulling over to the left before the bit where you merge, there is no car that would be around to hit them.

        • sclyde2 on 27/07/2018 - 21:57
          +1

          Totally agree with this. Saved me having to write it myself.

          The OP reckons the purpose of stop signs is for filtering? First time I've heard that. I thought it was more to make sure people were forced to have a good look when they had to give way at more dangerous intersections. I can see why the car Lane at the stop sign needs a stop, as they are directed out into a potentially busy Lane of oncoming traffic. The only traffic that the cyclists need to give way to is any traffic going to that snowscene shop (rare), or a bus stopping at the bus stop. I'm guessing that the cyclists sometimes get a fright when someone pulls across the Lane to get into the shop (now those drivers would have something to complain about), but habitually stop when they see a bus.

          As for the OP's situation, the non-stopping cyclists isn't what is causing your issues. It sounds like you just don't like too many cyclists in that bike lane, and hate having to rely on the courtesy of cyclists to give you a gap to cross the Lane they are in. Whether they stopping at that sign or not, wouldn't make any difference to the steady stream that you'd have by the time they got further down the road when you want to cross lanes.

          The road design is probably what you really should be complaining about. Trying to say that the rule they are breaking is what is causing your difficulty changing lanes is simply absurd.

          I'm sorry that they are taking risks with your personal safety. I hate it when I see people not wearing seatbelts too - IT MUST BE STOPPED!!!

        • ThithLord on 30/07/2018 - 09:45
          -1

          @sclyde2:

          The OP reckons the purpose of stop signs is for filtering? First time I've heard that. I thought it was more to make sure people were forced to have a good look when they had to give way at more dangerous intersections. I can see why the car Lane at the stop sign needs a stop, as they are directed out into a potentially busy Lane of oncoming traffic. The only traffic that the cyclists need to give way to is any traffic going to that snowscene shop (rare), or a bus stopping at the bus stop. I'm guessing that the cyclists sometimes get a fright when someone pulls across the Lane to get into the shop (now those drivers would have something to complain about), but habitually stop when they see a bus.

          So your whole premise in this comment basically boils down to: you can't tell what the Stop sign is for. You're right - the cycle lane isn't impeded by merging into another lane. So why have the Stop sign, then? I wasn't saying that Stop signs are for filtering traffic; I was saying that this particular Stop sign is for filtering cyclists into a busy convergence of traffic.

          It sounds like you just don't like too many cyclists in that bike lane, and hate having to rely on the courtesy of cyclists to give you a gap to cross the Lane they are in.

          Thanks for putting words into my mouth that I never said or even alluded to. All I've referred to is cyclists breaking this specific law (not obeying a traffic sign), and nothing else. As I've repeatedly said in a few comments, I have nothing against cyclists using the road or their own bikeways. I applaud cyclists for being active. My old man is an avid cyclist.

          So get off your high horse.

      • iand on 27/07/2018 - 23:49

        cancelled post

    • HighAndDry on 25/07/2018 - 14:21
      +1

      Surely you have something more meaningful in life to be concerned about that some cyclists crossing a line on the road without regard for their own safety.

      Except if something happens, you can be sure that cyclists would be up in arms about it, even if you personally won't be. PLUS - those accidents are what cause stupid rules like the min. distance from cyclist.

    • mister_snrub on 25/07/2018 - 18:38
      +4

      …riding 2 or 3 abreast.

      Riding two abreast is allowed, as long as you are within 1.5 m of each other. Riding three abreast is not allowed, except on multi-lane roads, or if you are overtaking two other riders that are riding two abreast.
      Source: http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/sa/conso…

      And I agree. I'm a cyclist too and hate when I see other cyclists breaking the rules.

      • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:16
        -1

        no one's saying it isn't allowed, just saying that you're holding up traffic and building rage in someone operating a dangerous piece of equipment right behind you

    • cryinoutloud on 26/07/2018 - 09:11

      From what I can see in the photo, as soon as the cyclist passes over the thick solid stop line, they have right of way, even in first few meters of the off ramp that precede the bike lane. They should really move the start of the off ramp further down the road after the bike lane so cars can get earlier viability of merging cyclists.

  • GG57 on 25/07/2018 - 13:22
    +4

    I think it is great that you have an awareness of this situation, and can therefore plan for it to avoid anyone getting hurt (fault or not).

    • JediJan on 27/07/2018 - 15:53

      But unfortunate for someone who is not aware that many cyclists have a habit of ignoring a stop sign. You generally expect everyone to obey the road rules at stop signs.

  • dcuksuop on 25/07/2018 - 13:30
    +14

    That stop sign is irrelevant to your actual issue of crossing the cycle lane later. It's a whole block before where you need to cross. Regardless of that stop sign, there's a cycle lane you need to cross, and there are cyclists who have the right of way on that lane. You need to accept that fact and safely cross it according to road rules. It's similar to crossing a bus lane to get into a left turn lane.

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 13:54

      Not exactly - wwhen the cyclists stop at the stop sign, it slows them down to the same pace, hence making it simple to cross lanes.

      • dcuksuop on 25/07/2018 - 14:24

        Gotcha, so you want cyclists to cycle slowly, so that it is easier for you to cross their lanes.

        • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 14:28
          +10

          I want cyclists to stop at Stop signs so they don't impede the flow of traffic. That's what it's there for. I never said anything about cycling slowly, boiky.

      • mister_snrub on 25/07/2018 - 18:42
        +3

        Cyclists can accelerate from a stop very quickly. Much quicker than a car. They would be back up to the same speed very quickly regardless of if they stopped.

        • SlickMick on 27/07/2018 - 14:20
          -2

          no they can't. Please pass this on to other ignorant cyclists. When you come in front of a car stopped at an intersection, the car has to wait for you. Without you in my road I would be across the intersection - with you in front I'm still holding up everyone behind me.

          Cyclists and scooters, please move to the back of the line at intersections, not the front.

        • minklet on 28/07/2018 - 12:04
          +1

          @SlickMick:

          No.

    • Levathian on 25/07/2018 - 17:07
      +3

      They're still violating the road rules. What makes their abhorrent behaviour acceptable?

      • iand on 27/07/2018 - 23:52

        Being cyclists they are above the law

        • LuckPlus on 28/07/2018 - 19:55

          Put that same cyclist in the driver's seat of a car and they will likely fail to stop at the same stop sign.
          Would it then be true to say being a motorist they are above the law?

    • points4life on 26/07/2018 - 15:16

      From what I can see the stop sign is there to prevent cars from smashing into traffic when they try to merge. Maybe it should have been a give way sign? The cyclist have their own lane so there's no need to stop as they are not merging with traffic.

      • Eeples on 28/07/2018 - 21:46

        The stop sign unbroken line goes across the cycle lane too.

        So, they ought to be stopping too.

  • Gronk on 25/07/2018 - 13:34
    +1

    Work from home, problem solved.

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 13:54
      +2

      I've always wanted to open up my own Rub-n-tug, this is just another reason I should.

  • chumlee on 25/07/2018 - 14:05
    +17

    I'm on the road daily for work and see the following multiple times a day:

    Drivers not keeping left when limit is 80km plus
    Drivers using emergency lane as a driving lane
    Drivers using bike lane as a lane
    Drivers not indicating
    Trucks tailgating
    Cars tailgating
    Drivers ignoring reduced speed limits
    Trucks spread out over mutilple lanes rather than keeping to left lanes
    Drivers speeding tnrough amber lights

    Sure bicycle riders can be a pain but nothing compares to vehicle drivers

    • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 14:29
      +8

      I heard about a bloke evading taxes the other day, myself - what's your point?

      • chumlee on 25/07/2018 - 14:44
        +1

        Get to the intersection earlier or later and you will not see the cyclist.

        Amazing you see this cyclist 3 times a week at that intersection.

        • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 14:49
          +5

          I am not talking about one particular cyclist - that's what is so frustrating about it. I'd say majority of them blaze straight through it. Casuals, Lycra clads, the lot.

        • Rifraf on 25/07/2018 - 14:51
          -6

          @ThithLord:

          All credibility out the window by this comment

        • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 15:21
          +3

          @Rifraf: Chumlee said:

          Amazing you see this cyclist 3 times a week at that intersection.

          I clarified:

          I am not talking about one particular cyclist - that's what is so frustrating about it

          How is my credibility lost?

        • Rifraf on 25/07/2018 - 15:39
          -7

          @ThithLord:

          LOL
          You ask about your credibility after editing it having read my post? - Priceless!!!

        • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 15:56
          +2

          @Rifraf:

          All credibility out the window by this comment

          referring to my previous comment:

          I am not talking about one particular cyclist - that's what is so frustrating about it. I'd say majority of them blaze straight through it. Casuals, Lycra clads, the lot.

          If you're referring to me editing my forum post, I added notes where I edited the post.

          Make up your mind.

    • Levathian on 25/07/2018 - 17:08
      +2

      This conversation isn't about cars, so your strawman argument is irrelevant.

    • bobolo on 25/07/2018 - 22:00
      +3

      I'm on the road daily for work and see the following multiple times a day:

      Cyclists not wearing helmets
      Cyclists not signalling when they turn
      Cyclists running red lights
      Cyclists cutting multiple lanes and oncoming traffic to reach a footpath
      Cyclists riding on the footpath
      Cyclists not having adequate lighting at night
      Cyclists not stopping at stop signs
      Cyclists not giving way to pedestrians on a shared path

      Sure drivers can be a pain but nothing compares to cyclists

        • bobolo on 26/07/2018 - 10:39
          +1

          Won't be yawning when a car runs them over….accidentally ofcourse ahem

      • BumbaT on 26/07/2018 - 17:37

        Guess who would likely die when a bicycle hits a car? Guess who would likely die when a car hits a bicycle? I Hve been hit by a car twice while in a bike lane and it took years to recover from each injury and they were simple knocks that didnt even scratch the car. Drivers can be a pain and a death sentence for cyclists.

        • ShannonN on 27/07/2018 - 09:05

          What you say is correct and I'm sorry you were injured.

          However, you would probably be able to say as a cyclist , many you see or know or ride with have no regard for laws which DO apply to them as well as other road users.

          Most I know say, I don't care I will take one whole lane ride as slow as I want and if I'm hit will sue for millions

      • Kevin07 on 26/07/2018 - 18:58
        +1

        actually in QLD it is legal to ride on the footpath

      • LuckPlus on 28/07/2018 - 20:04

        I see more cars breaking the rules every day than I see cyclists.

        Phone use
        Speeding
        No indicators
        Run red lights
        Drive in bike lane
        Park in bike lane
        Fail to stop for pedestrians
        Fail to give way to bus
        Stop in cycle box
        Stop over keep clear sign
        Fail to give way on roundabout
        Queue through intersection

        And dozens of cars lining up to turn left onto freeway at the no left turn 4-6pm sign in OPs pictures.

        Just admit commuting in Brisbane sux, it's the wild west.

      • Eeples on 28/07/2018 - 21:48
        +1

        Hating on cyclists is not the point of this thread.

        Push your barrow somewhere else.

        • ThithLord on 30/07/2018 - 09:49

          Hating on cyclists is not the point of this thread.

          Thank you! I've had to repeatedly comment about me not having anything against cyclists other than this Stop sign being continually ignored. I don't hate cyclists at all and I'm envious they have the push to stay fit and exercise.

    • srvfan on 26/07/2018 - 11:09

      I think that the Keep Left rule is for speed limits of OVER 80km/h, so 90+, for VIC and QLD at least

    • wiipantz on 27/07/2018 - 14:21

      Bicycles are vehicles

  • The Wololo Wombat on 25/07/2018 - 14:09
    +1

    Does it hurt you that they do it? Does it matter? If they are being safe and not endangering anyone, then who cares? Perhaps we need to change the law?

    I'm not a cyclist, but I'm defs a Spirit of the Law, not the Letter of the Law kinda guy…

    • brazen00 on 25/07/2018 - 14:14
      +3

      As far as I can see, it doesn't impact OP whatsoever, since the left lane past the stop sign is a bus stop that ends. The cyclists will likely stop at the sign if a bus is coming indicating into the stop.

      • ThithLord on 25/07/2018 - 14:29

        It actually doesn't stop - there's a dip there, but immediately after it there is the lane to exit. Google maps goes along the furthest lane in street view, in peak traffic, so it isn't useful to show you, so much.

        • trongy on 25/07/2018 - 21:14

          If you look back from the motorway entrance, it's obvious that you can't cross the cycle lane into the left turn lane until after Reid Street. That's consistent with the overhead photographs.

          If the road has been remodeled since Google's photographs were taken, please say so to avoid confusing anyone who's not familiar with the area.

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