Is Common Sense/Courtesy a Bit Too Much to Expect These Days?

This could be a post to vent…. but after 36 hours I "think" I am over it. But I wanted to check what the folks of Ozbargain think - Mainly because I have had some good feedback and learn something new everyday through the wealth of knowledge around here

Sat night - wife and I booked to go watch Creed 2 at Hoyts Stafford on Xtreme Screen 9pm show.

  • 4 groups of people including us and there was an other couple sitting beside us to the left.
  • And a group of 3 people in the front row to the right of us.
  • There was a group of 3 behind us (last row to the far left)

The trouble started when this last group kept talking so loud through the previews and we let it go.

5 minutes into the movie, I politely asked them "Do you mind not speaking so loud, we can hear you from here and the movie has started". They shut up for a few mins.

An other 10 minutes go by and they are back on rambling on about shit… and this couple to the left of us have had enough of it and they leave the movie. I don't say anything.

This kid from the group had to run up/down to pee couple of times. The dad had to go once to get more drinks for the kid in between.

50 minutes into the movie they are still talking so loud, I lost it and flashed my phone's torch at them and asked if they were planning to continue like this for the whole movie. And then he gets annoyed and asks if I have an issue with his kid peeing! I replied back saying I have no issue with the kid peeing, but with them rambling on and on during the movie.

He walks over and threatens me and the wife, so I go out and explain everything to the Manager. My wife walks out 2mins later saying he threatened her by wanting to fight us both in the car park. All the while, the kid is watching us …. The manager, who was a female and an other female colleague apologized to us (which I don't think was necessary) and we all went back to talk to this guy and apparently this guy's issue was it was my fault for flashing the light at them (Which I understand & accept was not the best thing to do in respect to the other group). I tried my best not use profanity in front of the kid and the other patrons.

My wife felt uncomfortable and didn't want to watch the movie anymore. We decided to leave. The Manager gave us 4 complimentary tickets to come back. I took 2 from her and refused the other 2, but she insisted we take them. Eventually we took in and left.

FFS, is common sense too much to expect from people these days? Especially in a public place keeping in mind there are other people who are there to enjoy/get on with their day to day lives.

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    • If you read my earliest comments, I have already said that in hindsight, the light was not the best option! But that was after the 2nd time I asked them and then I decided to do it. No excuses from my end for that. Maybe that enraged him to think that it was all my fault.

      Maybe I could have walked to the manager, but I wasn't going to miss the part of the movie to do that. You would think after 2 times, people would shut up when politely asked!! I guess we have all established that this person would not have changed his attitude despite anything, except blaming it on others.

      This post maybe about validation, but I can guarantee you…. there could be atleast one person on Ozbargain like the one I came across from the movie who could learn from this post - manners/common sense! (atleast in my experience, I have always learnt something new from ozbargain)

  • +1

    Sounds like a Bogan.

    Having said that many Bogans are decent people.

    • Nice save I will need to copy that.

  • Common courtesy is not too much to expect from people. Like the couple that left, like the manager etc

    Common courtesy is too much to expect from self centred asshats though.. unfortunately we have quite a lot of them running around

  • Just take a look at almost any thread on OzBargain, including this one. Abuse, gaslighting, bullying flow like champagne at an industry awards night. You zig and there's bound to be someone in your face yelling at you that you should have zagged. You zag and someone abuses you for not zigging.

    I don't think you needed to ask the question.

  • +14

    The error that the op made was letting it go at the beginning. Getting other people to shoosh them at the same time with you usually works.

    I love going to the cinema, sometimes it comes with amusing consequences. Three weeks ago I booked some tickets to watch Fantastic Beasts 2 using sinemia and I picked what was arguably the best seat at imax discounting the premium seats which are too far back and not in a sonically optimal positon (yes, sinemia stopped letting you book the premium seats). There would have been less than a dozen people in the theatre at the time, but who was sitting on my designated spot with his bare feet resting on top of the seats infront of him with an already halfway consumed large popcorn during the commercials? That's right, some guy eating his popcorn completely oblivious to what was going on around him. So I waited a few seconds and he still didn't notice me pr did he not want to? I leaned over towards the man and told him. "Excuse me mate, you are in my seat" gesturing with my tickets in hand. With a look of surprise, then entitlement, the man quipped "there are plenty of other seats" with his palm stretching out as if cortez himself was offering me the new world in which to plunder. To which I replied, "thank you for understanding, please go and choose another one then" and began to sit down on the seat he was still in before he even tried to get up. Quickly realising the awkward moment, that was about to unfold, the man who by the way must have been about six foot four, stood up on his lankily daddy long legs which wasn't helping his dignity one bit and decided to sit about three chairs to my right, still looking a little annoyed. What he didn't realise was that going that early into a film, of course the seats would be empty. Sure enough, about a minute later, a ragtag group of harry potter fans walk in, a venerable dirty dozen, each one displacing our popcorn villain even further towards the edge of the rew. With half empty box in one hand, 3D glasses and his dirty thongs in the other, he conceded and flopped over to the row in front thinking his ordeal was over, but it wasn't. One couple, two couples, three couples, four! I took delight in watching our not so amazing spiderman, crawl from one seat to the other, his seeming choices being met with more resistance, until he had moved seats over half a dozen times. By the time the film had begun our over assuming fellow was on the far right only about four rows from the front. Plenty of other seats i thought to myself as I took a sip of bubbly satisfaction.

    • JK couldn't have written a better version herself!

      • Maybe, but JK's editor would have alerted her to the concept of paragraphs.

    • Did he try and intimidate you with his height?

  • +1

    This is why you don't go to the movies, theatre at home was the best investment ever. After constant idiots, couples, heroes and tossbags I had enough.

    • +1

      100% agree and even then the neighbours can ruin it for you with loud music etc. but hopefully if that happens it's temporary.

    • +3

      Also save on money. Can easily cost a family of 4 something like $70-$80 just for tickets for a night at the movies. With food you're looking at another $30-$40 if you get upsold drinks and popcorn.

  • "Common sense is like common decency these days, not all too common" … and that is all I gotta say about that

  • +1

    In these cases you just have to pull a George Costanza.

  • Had the same issue with a couple at some social justice refugee film last month, this old codger wouldn't shut up, I thought it must be a first date. Felt weird telling a guy 2.5 times my age to keep it down, but if I didn't say anything the rage was going to cause me an internal injury.

    Shoulda just recorded them talking for 5 mins, asked them to stop on the recording, then got them kicked out by management. No confrontation necessary.

    • Recording a conversation without consent is illegal in some states.

      • Not a public conversation where there is no expectation of privacy. Or one to which you are a principal party (and since you're aksing him to be quiet, you could argue that was the target of your recording).

        • I beg to differ. A "private conversation" can be held in public. And if a court of law disagrees with you the penalties can be harsh. The penalties for disclosing to a 3rd party outside of what is considered "lawful" can also be tricky and also carries harsh penalties. You might not like these laws and they may not make sense to you, but the harsh fines and prison time would. Are you going to risk all that to get some fool to shut up in a cinema?

          https://www.bartier.com.au/insights/articles/the-use-of-list…
          http://www.mcleods.com.au/news/local-government-updates/reco…

          • @syousef: I'd prefer you source the original legislation. I have looked it up before, cannot be bothered to do so again.

            In NSW, it's based around your lawful interests, and the reason for the recording. Eg someone is threatening you, fine. Someone is behaving erratically and it might be threatening, fine. Blackmail, not fine.

            Indeed a private conversation can incur in a public space, so long as it is reasonable to expect that it will not be overheard. Talking in a crowded theatre when everyone else is silent probably wouldn't qualify.

            In answer to your question, yeah, I'd risk it.

            If the other guy wants to call the cops, I'm sure they will arrive next month, movie should be over by then.

            • @ozbjunkie: You're assuming the other guy is going to threaten you. Believe it or not there are other responses.

              • @syousef: No I'm anticipating the possibility that he may threaten me, and actually am saying that if necessary I'd lie and say that was the case regardless of whether I really found him threatening.

          • @syousef: Prison time. You flyboys crack me up.

            • @Daabido: Laugh it up. Here's how it is in NSW.

              http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/sda200…

              SURVEILLANCE DEVICES ACT 2007 - SECT 7
              Prohibition on installation, use and maintenance of listening devices
              7 Prohibition on installation, use and maintenance of listening devices
              (1) A person must not knowingly install, use or cause to be used or maintain a listening device:
              (a) to overhear, record, monitor or listen to a private conversation to which the person is not a party, or
              (b) to record a private conversation to which the person is a party.
              Maximum penalty: 500 penalty units (in the case of a corporation) or 100 penalty units or 5 years imprisonment, or both (in any other case).

              • -1

                @syousef: Why not post the exceptions.

                • @ozbjunkie: The exceptions are linked, and you weren't there to help me compose the message.

                  If you get to the point where a court of law is determining if they apply, you are having a bad day.

                  Gotta love this place. Link, and you're told tl;dr. Don't like and provide info to find what you're talking about and I have been hounded message after message for not linking to a page. Include some text and it's either tl;dr or why didn't you quote more. You literally cant win.

                  • @syousef: Sure, I appreciate your position. But surely you appreciate mine too, which is that you have pasted the part that supports your argument, and excluded information that supports mine.

                    Nonetheless I thank you for the effort in linking the relevant legislation.

                    I think this type of information is key - It is not an offence for one party to record a changeover at McDonalds with the other party because it is in a public space, with no reasonable expectation that conversation will not be heard by others https://www.smartsafe.org.au/legal-guides/legal-guide-survei…

                    • @ozbjunkie: It doesn't support your position because your position as you clarified it is flat out wrong. Whether or not it is a private conversation in many instances has NOTHING to do with whether it is held in a public place.

                      You are advised not to enable audio on your dashcams and reputable security companies won't install cameras with audio.

                      https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/secret-…

                      "The laws in the other states are more restrictive, requiring consent to make it legal. For example in NSW you can only record conversations if you have the permission of everyone involved, or a principal party to the conversation wants the recording believing it is "reasonably necessary for the protection of [their] lawful interests". The recording can't be made for the purpose of sharing it in any way."

                      https://www.mst.com.au/legality-of-secretly-recording-conver…

                      State/Territory / Relevant Surveillance Legislation / Lawful to secretly record a private conversation to which you are a party?
                      Victoria / Surveillance Devices Act 1999 (VIC) / Yes
                      Queensland / Invasion of Privacy Act 1971 (QLD) / Yes
                      NT / Surveillance Devices Act 2007 (NT) / Yes
                      WA / Surveillance Devices Act 1998 (WA) / No
                      SA / Listening and Surveillance Devices Act 1972 (SA) / No
                      ACT / Listening Devices Act 1992 (ACT) / No
                      NSW / Surveillance Devices Act 2007 (NSW) / No
                      Tasmania / Listening Devices Act 1991 (TAS) / No

                      See the 3rd column? Everywhere except Vic and QLD secret recording of a conversation to which you are a party is not legal.

                      Some more discussion on recording in the workplace and CCTV.

                      http://workplaceinfo.com.au/hr-management/privacy-and-survei…
                      https://www.lawanswers.com.au/threads/cctv-camera-that-recor…

                      Is that detailed enough for you, or do we need to go back and forth again and again as is typical here?

                      But I'll tell you what. I'm not your keeper and I'm not here to keep out of trouble. Anyone who cares has enough information. You can chuckle all you like, right up until you find yourself paying thousands of dollars because you need a lawyer.

                      • @syousef: Sure, I mentioned talking to them, making you are a principal party, in my earlier posts, the above was just another example of how you had previously, until your most recent comment, posted a restrictive and incomplete version of what is acceptable. In my example, I believe you could reasonably argue you were protecting your lawful interests. Of course, I might get myself into trouble if I share the recording with the cinema manager.

                        FYI, I have recorded conversations and shared those with the police, who took no issue with my recording as it was taken in a situation of potential physical conflict. It did help the police to establish that I was not the instigator and tried to de-escalate the situation, so in my experience, it was useful to do so.

                        But thanks for your time.

                        • @ozbjunkie: It isn't enough to be a principal party. It required that altercation to happen.

                          Putting yourself in a position where police interpret whether what you have done was legal isn't the best. What would have happened if the anticipated physical altercation hadn't occurred or the police decided you'd overblown the situation? What if the police officer you'd spoken to had a bad day? What if there was a change in procedure or a directive to crack down on recordings? Or (in this real world where corruption does happen) if the instigator had friends or family that could influence the investigation.

                          If you could anticipate the altercation and start a recording, would you not have been better off avoiding it in the first place?

                          Sarcasm and one good outcome does not make your approach the best one.

              • @syousef: No court is going to send you to prison for recording some rude fool in a cinema. That's what was laughable. Just because it is a possibility doesn't make it within the bounds of reasonable sentencing. A custodial sentence would immediately be appealed, as would a $11000 fine. I repeat, you flyboys crack me up.

                • @Daabido: You completely dismiss the possibility that someone's going to make an example of you for to score political points. I don't know what makes me a "flyboy" or what you're so amused about. But it's your life and I'm not your keeper, so thankfully it's not something I have to care about.

  • He walks over and threatens me and the wife, so I go out and explain everything to the Manager. My wife walks out 2mins later saying he threatened her by wanting to fight us both in the car park.

    Maybe you should have taken him up on the offer and he won't be such an idiot next time. (Of course, I'm joking).

    I think the bigger issue here is that the world has become more safe (which is a good thing), but some people take that for granted as license for doing whatever they please.

    Funny aside story, I was picking up my grandfather from the airport when someone cut in front of me and I honked them, after which they gave me the finger. He was an absolute idiot anyway, so I wasn't going to waste any energy on him, but my grandfather commented that 20 - 30 years ago, he wouldn't dare do anything of the sort. He also mentioned once he saw a similar situation result in the moron getting his windows smashed in at the next lights by a crowbar whilst onlookers basically cheered.

    Moral of the story is that there are selfish people and they do what they do because they know they can get away with it and not have to face the consequences. Of course, I don't think it's a bad thing that society has generally become nicer.

  • -4

    i wonder if would be overseas immigrants read these forums

    WelccomeToStraya

    • @discoJango OP didn't mentioned the guy was migrant. Think it like this, everyone here are migrants,how far back in the history you want to go for not seeing someone as migrant?

      • I never said the guy was a migrant either

        I said, if potential migrants just happen to read the ozbargain forums, and see all the threads complaining in general how shit people are these days, it would probably scare them all off

        • Nah, they'd be like " they have movie theatres! I want one! "

        • Okie. Misread

  • +2

    That's the thing about common sense, it's not that common!!!

  • Short answer is YES

    Unfortunately most people think ITS ALL ABOUT ME AND MY RIGHTS

  • Common sense would suggest you should avoid Stafford City at night. You’re lucky you didn’t get beaten up in the carpark on the way in.

    Next time go somewhere like Newmarket. Hopefully less bogans.

  • Hit em with some popcorn everytime they start talking (bit of an operant conditioning)

    • And when they turn around, tell them you are the famous 19th century physiologist Ivan Pavlov.

  • Wow… I have not even heard of something like that happening. Hopefully it hasn't dampened your opinion of Brisbane. It sounds like "Dad" made a territorial display of sorts.

  • you were watching creed? mate, should have just taken his offer but instead of a carpark, maybe to the front row so others can watch you fight it out! real 3D!

  • This is common problem in trains also. They are sitting next to you and talk for full 50 mins in loud voice.

  • +1

    same thing happened to me in the same cinemas in stafford a few years back.

    same thing as you was asked to step outside with the guy behind us.

    i agreed to go out side.

    i stood up and asked if he was ready.

    he sat down promptly and shut up for the rest of the movie.

    i'm 6"5 120kgs gym freak.

    one of the happiest decisions i ever made was to move away from the suburb.

    if anyone is ever looking to buy into a different suburb i could suggest going down to the local shopping centres on the weekend and have a look at some of your potential neighbours.

  • In the early 21st century - Common Sense is an Oxymoron. There is nothing common about common sense. All this is simply Human Nature

    1. common sense isn't common.

    2. this is why people wait for home releases.

    3. this is cinemas are dying.

  • I hear you, OP. It seems like these unacceptable behaviors are fast becoming social norm. I wonder if parenting is one contributing factor - I observe parents who does not discipline or teach their kids to behave in public places, where the behaviors impact other people around them (unlike at home - you can do whatever you want who cares). I wonder if this father used to observe his dad doing it to other people cinemas, and he's teaching his child by practical demonstration. How do we break the cycle??

  • Yup, I would have pulled my phone out and played Pokemon Go on full volume the rest of the movie then demanded a refund on exit.

  • In short, yes. The ancient Romans knew much better than today.

    • The ancient Romans believed some pretty terrible things were perfectly acceptable, some of which shouldn't be mentioned on a forum like this.

      • Like poo'ing standing up

  • Common sense is no longer common. We're all pretty far from being on the same page about what's important anymore.

  • -1

    …and this is why I don't go to the movies anymore……

    Also:

    He walks over and threatens me and the wife, so I go out and explain everything to the Manager. My wife walks out 2mins later saying he threatened her by wanting to fight us both in the car park. All the while, the kid is watching us ….

    Well you should have took him up on that offer and give him a good beating for your wasted time in the movies……mono to mono, man to man…..

  • If I have annoying patrons in a Cinema I sit behind them and throw popcorn at there head every time they talk

    Works a treat.

    Edit: You have to be a great Liar and have an awesome Poker face when they eventually confront you about it.

  • +2

    I laughed, but felt sad reading a few of these posts: one guy, coming from nowhere attributed the situation to immigrants, just as Trump. I think this is an idiotic argument (but it got 8 positive votes). Let's say some immigrants bring some "bad" habits (I put quotes because habits that are considered to be bad very much depending on the situation), do you have to adopt those habits too? To put it bluntly, if they eat caca would these wise guys eat it too and then turn around and blame it on those who eat it first? It wasn't an "immigrant" problem because bad apples are everywhere, even within ourselves!

    And then there was this post responding to the previous post on immigrants, defending chinese culture and blamed it on the american. Where/how/why did he/she got american and chinese into this discussion is beyond my understanding. But it got 10 positive votes.

    The problem caused by the insensitivities from both parties. One couldn't control their kids and disturbed others the other escalated the situation by shining a torch on a guy's face, in front of his kids, no less. WOW! Using fire against fire.

    • I agreed with most of your points until You conveniently forgot that a request was made politely by one party multiple times before it escalated.

      Why don't you suggest what I a reasonable human being should have done after that? Apart from shining the torch, which I acknowledged and mentioned to the manager myself.

      • -1

        You conveniently forgot that a request was made politely by one party multiple times before it escalated

        This is what you said -

        5 minutes into the movie, I politely asked..

        An other 10 minutes go… I don't say anything.

        50 minutes into the movie they are still talking so loud, I lost it and flashed my phone's torch at them

        Swearing at other guy in front of kids doesn't sound like common sense or courtesy.

        • Let me correct you:

          • Politely ask once
          • Couple leave
          • Ask them again and then flash torch (I don't need you to tell me where I went wrong, when I openly admitted to the Manager myself that I did that out of frustration and said the same here in my post and comments… But I wonder if that guy would own up for it… or for that matter, you would if you did something wrong?)

          • the dad swore at me and my wife in front of his son and threatened my wife. I tried my best not use profanity in front of the kid and the other patrons. Did you read that I refrained from swearing because of the kid? (I wonder how you assumed that I was the one who swore in front of the kid!)

          And again…. What would you have done? Waiting to hear your response in a situation like that.

          • -1

            @aspirepranesh:

            Let me correct you:

            I'm just quoting what you said. Are you contradicting your own quotes?

            The only mention of swearing is your own -

            I tried my best not use profanity in front of the kid and the other patrons.

            No mention of refraining.

            You accused nonparticular of "forgetting" that you politely requested multiple times, when, according to your post it was only once 'before you lost it'.

            What would you have done?

            Well it was the situation you created and reacted to in your own way. However some points -

            • Leaving someone alone after they have been threatened.
            • Going over again with attendants 'to talk' to the guy. This is after he threatened you and your wife, and then your wife again.
            • +1

              @Baysew: Wow… Did you just say I created this situation??

              Do you expect people to shut up when you're being inconsiderate to others around you?

              • +1

                @aspirepranesh: Mate don't bite he is clearly delusional and avoiding your question about what he would do in your place. I wouldn't even ask him, just move on and focus on the constructive comments. You already admitted it wasn't the best decision which is understandable given the situation. No one can answer what you should have done as everyone reacts differently in the heat of the moment.

                • @bobwokeup: I don't know @Baysew and I don't know why he came to my defend while I don't need one. In here, it's ok for people to "ask" for suggestion and it's perfectly right to give it, or not. I chose not to because the situation was clear to me, convenience is not an issue here. I actually laughed seeing some people wrote that he comes here to learn while throwing down challenge, it appears more like he comes here to fight.

                  1. Politeness is good but it can carry only so far. Sometimes politeness is misinterpreted as patronising. So, it depends on the other guy's feeling.

                  2. It's good that you can see your mistake and I hope you can learn from it. But if you put it up here to gain sympathies… Well, yes you will have some, even mine. But it's the other guy's understanding of you that matters more. Flashing torch can be interpreted as a challenge so he took it and, in his mind, you didn't follow through hence the disrespect.

                  3. Common sense is a judgement that everyone wants to be the judge of that. While being polite is a minimum for a gentleman but expecting the reciprocal is more of a nonsense than a common sense. Being quiet in the theater is not a common sense, it's a rule. Flashing torch at someone in the theater is against the rules. Common sense says that breaking a rule to compensate against a broken rule is like 2 wrongs to make a right.

                  I've wrote enough. Have a good weekend.

  • +1

    Commonsense is not common anymore.

  • +1

    Literally the reason I now wait for movies to come out on Blu Ray / Netflix / Stan before watching them.

    Hate my viewing experience potentially being hampered by someone who doesn't give a shit about "movie etiquette"

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