Is Common Sense/Courtesy a Bit Too Much to Expect These Days?

This could be a post to vent…. but after 36 hours I "think" I am over it. But I wanted to check what the folks of Ozbargain think - Mainly because I have had some good feedback and learn something new everyday through the wealth of knowledge around here

Sat night - wife and I booked to go watch Creed 2 at Hoyts Stafford on Xtreme Screen 9pm show.

  • 4 groups of people including us and there was an other couple sitting beside us to the left.
  • And a group of 3 people in the front row to the right of us.
  • There was a group of 3 behind us (last row to the far left)

The trouble started when this last group kept talking so loud through the previews and we let it go.

5 minutes into the movie, I politely asked them "Do you mind not speaking so loud, we can hear you from here and the movie has started". They shut up for a few mins.

An other 10 minutes go by and they are back on rambling on about shit… and this couple to the left of us have had enough of it and they leave the movie. I don't say anything.

This kid from the group had to run up/down to pee couple of times. The dad had to go once to get more drinks for the kid in between.

50 minutes into the movie they are still talking so loud, I lost it and flashed my phone's torch at them and asked if they were planning to continue like this for the whole movie. And then he gets annoyed and asks if I have an issue with his kid peeing! I replied back saying I have no issue with the kid peeing, but with them rambling on and on during the movie.

He walks over and threatens me and the wife, so I go out and explain everything to the Manager. My wife walks out 2mins later saying he threatened her by wanting to fight us both in the car park. All the while, the kid is watching us …. The manager, who was a female and an other female colleague apologized to us (which I don't think was necessary) and we all went back to talk to this guy and apparently this guy's issue was it was my fault for flashing the light at them (Which I understand & accept was not the best thing to do in respect to the other group). I tried my best not use profanity in front of the kid and the other patrons.

My wife felt uncomfortable and didn't want to watch the movie anymore. We decided to leave. The Manager gave us 4 complimentary tickets to come back. I took 2 from her and refused the other 2, but she insisted we take them. Eventually we took in and left.

FFS, is common sense too much to expect from people these days? Especially in a public place keeping in mind there are other people who are there to enjoy/get on with their day to day lives.

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  • +1

    Well u move seats for yourself not for them , secondly by choosing not to move seats it ruined your night and now u have bad memories, better to avoid confrontations than try to win something that is not worth winning .

    You could of acknowledged them if you wanted by smiling and moving seats ., but as i said its not worth something to win for, your there to watch a movie , they wernt , so move away from them.

    I tend to avoid confrontation nowadays as im getting older and if i see “ bogans” or others i move off away from them.

    • +7

      Again, I agree with you. It was a bad memory, but my thought process is…. when you say nothing about a person's irrational behavior, things aren't gonna change.

      This is a person who thinks the world revolves around them, the actions/examples they set for the kid who is seeing everything doesn't feel right and if nothing is said now, chances are more likely for it to happen again to someone else. I honestly wasn't there to win the argument.

      • +5

        If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

        • +2

          This…. this is how I feel most of the time!!

  • +1

    Well then next time use the Reverse Psychology rather than getting yourself into confrontations with bogans by joining in politely to their conversations.

    Being over friendly instead of aggression would of probaly worked as they would of thought you were a over friendly busybody and ending up shutting up or whispering to each other

    • +2

      Hate to be picky, but this language error annoys the hell out of me and I think it should be pointed out.

      Being over friendly instead of aggression would of probaly worked as they would of thought you were a over friendly busybody and ending up shutting up or whispering to each other

      It's not would of, it's would have. FYI. 😀

      I guess that, after hearing people speak "would've", a lot of people learn that as "would of".

  • +19

    BOGANS, what can you do about it… it starts at home and the poor education system

    • +12

      poor education system

      School is not a substitute for parenting.

      Bogans gunna bogan, school ain't gunna (nor should) change that.

    • +4

      I blame the baby bonus and the price drop of LCD TV's that conveniently matches that baby bonus.

  • Ahhhhh dont get me stareted on bogans ….and if i want to stereotype they are all usually Aussies , and low class housing dept areas are full of them., no respect no manners

    It was the only place i had to take the magazines out of the back seat when i was driving a cab otherwise they would rip the pages out or spit in it.

  • +15

    just pirate and watch at home like 50% of Australia does

    no annoying chatter
    no kids going to pee randomly
    no overly expensive popcorn
    no interaction with other annoying people* whatever so ever!!! Win Rar!!

    *family/relos/friends not included
    Rated S for Satire

    • +3

      But if you're a teenage kid, you can't have sex watch it with your girlfriend at home.

    • +1

      My wife applauds my pirating skills with my collection of movies that I enjoy watching at home.

      But from time to time, thanks to Ozbargain (in this case Sinemia), we like to go to the movies, sit back and enjoy a good movie with pop corn for her (in memory of her mum who passed away 2 years ago, who enjoyed going to the movies for the popcorn) even though it is overly priced.

      Was hoping picking a late show in a relatively good neighborhood would avoid some of the potential headaches to enjoy the movie!

      • +1

        Sonarr + radarr = cinema obsolescence

    • Props for the family/relos disclaimer!

    • +1

      Don't forget - no advertising! Paying top dollar to go see a movie in a theater and they subject you to advertising?! Got to be kidding me…

    • Funny enough, but that's exactly what I did - Canberra, city centre, bunch of loud teens having a good fun. Left half way through the movie, had to argue with manager to get the refund (apparently no refund if you leave too late, i.e. more than 50% of movie has been played). Screw that, I thought, watched the movie couple of weeks later at home, for free…

      That said, been in various cinemas several times, and it happened only once, so I wouldn't say overall culture slides down. If anything, I'm disappointed with road behaviour… but this is due to poor driving culture and lack of quality driving education

  • +3

    Doesn't happen to me at Crazy Horse Cinema

    • +1

      Unless your name is Shannon Noll

      • Bahahahaha I didn't know this happened!!!

  • +4

    Welcome to Stafford City. Let's fight

  • +7

    asks if I have an issue with his kid p

    apparently this guy's issue was it was my fault for flashing the light at them

    He knows what the issue was here, theres no way he didn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was from the circus because he probably went through some superb mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that its your fault and blame you over something that had nothing to do with the issue. He just wanted it to be because thats the closest he can get to rationalising it, incase gawd forbid he blames himself and takes some responsibility.

    Unfortunately people like this exist in life, it sucks, I'm happy the manager was nice about it all and its sad to hear they probably ruined the evening, but don't let it get you down OP. Hopefully the next night out will be more enjoyable.

  • +2

    "Is common sense/courtesy like a bit too much to expect these days?"

    Obviously it is, yes. But we can generalise for a moment we currently live in a rights intoxicated, self-obsessed and very narcissistic society. A society where the lowest have learned that if you cry loud enough about insignificant things you might be able to get money from some innocent person who was just going about their day or speaking their mind…and the taxpayer will pick up your legal bill. Everyone is 'I' and everyone else is just an inconvenience or a necessary evil to our own ends.

    Of course there are exceptions, maybe even a majority of exceptions, so while you can't even change the selfish tossers of the world (until they wake up a bit) you CAN appreciate, common courtesy, good manners and common sense when you DO cross paths with it. Of course it goes without saying that we should 'be the change we want to see in the world'.

    Also, the other thing you can change is your own reactions. When the worlds idiots get in your face the minute they make you angry, or swear or react at all then they have one and you have missed a chance to learn something new about yourself. :)

  • -1

    Nothing surprises me nowadays. We live in a world where everyone feels entitled to do whatever they want, whenever they want.

    Social Justice Warriors have taken the definition of "rights" way too far!

    • +3

      Social Justice Warriors have taken the definition of "rights" way too far!

      The mental gymnastics used to blame "SJWs" for people talking in a cinema must be pretty impressive, I'd like to see how you got there.

      From what I understand, the actions of an "SJW" would be to shut up to avoid upsetting anyone else, or even to enforce silence on other talkers!

    • +1

      blame "SJWs" for people talking in a cinema

      SJWs keep going on about their rights when it suits them. When they're on the receiving end, they cry.

  • +6

    Switch from boofhead movies to arthouse movies and you may get a better behaved crowd.

    • +1

      It occurred to me earlier that I've never encountered this kind of bad behaviour in cinemas. Now I realise that it's because I don't choose films that idiots/kids choose. You've hit the nail on the head.

  • +2

    This isn't about common sense and courtesy itself

    But it is the result of the lost of common sense and courtesy

    In the modern world, where we individuals are self important, we no longer instruct/tell each other off.

    ie as a kid when cycling on a shared path I was on the right, someone told me off and said I should be on the left, until that point I never knew that. That doesn't happen now. In the past there were signs at the escalators reminding people to stick to the left, we don't see that anymore… and people are not willing to ask people standing on the right to move.

    There is now a lack of will/authority of strangers to enforce rules, ala in the past a pleb staff would tell them to leave the theatre if they didnt keep quiet, now a manager is too afraid to do it.

    We all get to live in our own bubble with little interference from others, but it also mean we can't enforce our standards on others.

    I'm a confrontational person, and will intimidate others like your situation here… but every time I do it, I am in danger of being one of those idiots being filmed having a fight over nothing. Violence is no longer an acceptable recourse.. well it never really was…

    Having said that, I have also been the so called "hero" in case of saving others from situation other bystanders were not willing to intervene…

    When I hear about so called heroes in the news, I'm always suspicious of their past. Different sides of the same coin

  • +3

    Yeah, I mean, you could probably go to a lot of movies and not have an issue, it’s just that you happened to be stuck with these clowns.

    Also, that this guy threatened the missus when he went to sensibly speak with the manager, says a lot about kind of person he is, i.e; all bluff and blunder and not actually going to fight anyone, anywhere. Most people who had the misfortune of being involved in a street fight or with experience fighting will do pretty much everything they can to avoid it.

    Certainly nobody sane would intentionally fight anyone because they shined a light in their face.

  • Yes…

  • +10

    I associate this kind of behaviour with people of low intelligence. You know, after you start talking to them you realise, “oh, you are so thick you’ll never understand why it is rude to talk during a movie.” Having an overweight kid is more evidence of this - kids are so active - have you ever seen what you have to feed them to make them fat? It is hard to do with normal food.

    • +6

      It is hard to do with normal food.

      But likely if you give them a few litres of liquefied sugar (soft drink) per day.

      • And/or a couple of litres of liquified sugar (orange juice) with meals.

  • Welcome to planet Earth

    • +9

      Why did I just read this with David Attenborough's voice?

  • Perfect time to have/stage a fight with your wife.

  • +1

    I would not expect anything better from those brats. Might as well enjoy the free tickets you got from manager. You could have gone back and thanked them telling look what you got 😂.

    to answer your question, yes it is too much to ask common sense these days.

    The other day i remember some douchebag women and equally a**hat guy would not let me merge into their lane. It wasn’t solid line but rather 6 lane road and i wanted to go from 4 to 3.. Had to slow down and inconvenience people behind me…

  • +3

    This is why we don't go to the cinemas all that often any more. Go get yourself a 60" TV and a beefy sound system and you won't have to put up with scumbags ever again.

  • +2

    I used to frequent the movies 5+ years back, never really experienced any of these issues. Lately though, I've been a handful of times this year and probably half of these times there have been people chatting throughout the movie.

    The first time the cinema was packed. I was sitting right next to the two 20-30 year old women who spoke constantly through the ads, that's fine. But the movie starts and they continue talking constantly in another language. People in front of us were turning around the glare at them, I couldn't hear the movie properly, so maybe half an hour in I loudly "shush" them. They're impervious. Almost instantly after my girlfriend leans over me and says something along the lines of "excuse me, you're in a movie, could you please stop talking" and they shut up for the remainder of the movie.

    The second time people were a little more spaced out, but the cinema was small (towards the end of the movie's life cycle I think). There was a group a row or two behind us consisting of one middle aged male who kept laughing almost obnoxiously and would recite whatever line he laughed at back, and then start talking to whoever about it, and then keep talking for a bit. Again, it was hard to follow and hear the movie.

    It is extremely frustrating to pay for the experience and have these inconsiderate few who think they're at their private residence and that they can do as they please. I think I'm future if I encounter such circumstances I will have to resort to leaving and bringing it to the attention of staff. Perhaps if these people are reported enough the staff may do more to stop the behaviour or risk losing customers entirely or having to deal with refunds/freebies etc, or negative reviews for lack of actions.

    Oh, and if you're one of the people who pulls your phone out and has it at full brightness, you're not much better.

    I'll definitely be thinking long and hard about which movies I'll actually pay to see in future given my experiences this year. Not worth the price of it all sometimes. Especially if you don't even get to experience the movie you wanted to see.

  • +1

    Now you know why it's called Xtreme Screen, cause you meet Xtreme Bogans!! hahaha

  • +6

    This story is becoming all too common and I think one of the biggest issues we face in society currently is people's attitudes. Everyone is so focused on their rights that they never stop for a moment to think about their responsibilities. For society to function well we really need to respect others and give some thought to how our actions impact on others, these people can only see that they have the "right" to talk when and where they want. They simply can't grasp the inherent social contract that should compel one to keep reasonably quiet in a public movie theatre when ticket holders are trying to enjoy the film they paid to see.

    • Spot on.

  • -7

    Bruv you got for tiks yea
    Tis all g

    • Wat?

      • No idea what was that about

      • +3

        Brother, you acquired four complimentary tickets for your troubles, correct?

        Then in my estimation, the situation is now "all good".

        • Thanks for the translation

  • -1

    if i was you i would've just left or moved seats

    not worth the damage to my emotional state getting into a whole thing with unreasonable riff raff

  • I'm unsure if this behaviour would fall into the "manners" category. I think it's more that there's a subculture of people who are accustomed to talking with friends through movies, and don't realise that the "norm" is to be quiet and enjoy the movie individually, despite you bring with company.

    Note that I'm definitely not in that camp, except if I'm at home with some mates and the movie is crap.

    For example, we recently accidentally watched an arthouse movie and started riffing over it. It was hilarious, but we would never behave like that in an arthouse cinema.

  • You've high expectations from the human-garbage, which is surviving due to advancements in medical science. Wish evolution could wipeout such (profanity) <sigh />

  • Funny thing is, in other countries it is perfectly normal to talk through movies. I know crazy right? But there's a reason why I only go to gold class at the cinemas… if I'm going to actually get out of my comfy couch, comfy clothes, forego my comfy food and drink you bet I'll make a special occasion out of it. Smaller crowd means much less chance of this rubbish happening.

    • +2

      Which countries?

      • India for one!

  • +1

    Years ago I used to go and watch nearly any movie that came out regardless of quality, now I see maybe 3 movies a year at the cinema for this exact reasoning.
    Honestly good on you for standing up for yourselves.

  • In a word… Yes

  • +1

    Cool story alert:

    Back when Prometheus was in cinemas, at the exact moment the big ring shaped starship collided with the planet a large earthquake hit Melbourne. At first I thought it was two hundred people rudely leaving the cinema all at once, then I thought it was the 3D shake-o-vision technology. The timing was perfect.

  • +5

    FFS, is common sense too much to expect from people these days?

    "Common sense" has never existed. The name implies that we're all born with some kind of understanding of what's socially acceptable in the current society, which is impossible. What you're calling common sense, has to be taught by the parents/family members from a very early age.
    The child in the family is going to grow up with similar anti-social behaviours to the parents, then the same old cycle's going to start again.

    "Courtesy" is a little bit more common though. You experienced it in your story when:

    The Manager gave us 4 complimentary tickets to come back. I took 2 from her and refused the other 2, but she insisted we take them. Eventually we took in and left.

    Right there, the manager was being courteous offering you the extra tickets, and you were being courteous when you initially refused them. You were also being courteous withholding profanity in front of the child.

    The manager, who was a female and an other female colleague

    The gender of these people is completely irrelevant. Why did you go out of your way to state it like this?

    P.S. I kind of agree with the comments about not going to the cinema. With a good sound system and TV, you can have a better experience at home.

    Movies these days with their copy/pasted storyline, reboots where they swap the gender of the lead characters, etc just aren't so exciting that you need to watch them within days of their cinema release.

    • Sounds like you think that the term common sense means everybody has sense. Common does not mean all, it means frequent/most.

      "Common sense" implies that most people have sense, and I agree.

  • +6

    Some people were raised by morons and the cycle continues.

    People have no awareness or concern for others. From loud music in public, to talking in movies. Just got to accept they are gronks.

    One reason I never go to movies.

  • Yep. I've been there.

    Went to see a movie that was pretty full. Sat next to a family with kids chatting from the beginning and spoiling the movie, telling their friends and family what scene was happening in the next 2 mins.

    Noone had the balls to say anything so I had to shush them. And they listened.

    Wish parents would teach their children respect in public places.

  • +2

    Unfortunately nothing will change these bogan's bahaviour. They no doubt think that it's everyone else's fault that they alway get into arguments at the movies. They were just celebrating their Centrelink payment day.

    • +1

      Lol.. Centrelink payment day

      • For bogans, I believe Centrelink Payment Day is a proper noun.

  • This is why I go to movies that nobody likes, midweek. My perfect movie experience is being the only one there- bliss- and that's happened a few times.

  • The dad probably was brought up the same way he is raising his kids. So there is no surprise there. I am not really a good dad but I am not bad either. This guys will make me look like a legend relatively speaking.

  • -2

    Go watch a Bollywood movie in a cinema hall and tell me the kind of commotion you see there. It is indeed disgraceful.

  • -1

    World has gone mad.. funny enough the crazy people or people who we thought were crazy when we were small are the sane ones i find these days and normal people are just straight up bonkers.

    The frugal people are the financially responsible and well no actually that is wrong money wise things are still the same i.e the poor are still poor and the rich are still rich and everyone else in between but yeah psychologically the sane people are the insane and the insane are the sane funny enough.. same goes for creepers and non creepers.. the old portrait of a creepy person are actual the nice normal people in real life and the people who look non creepy are pretty creepy in real life.. go figure this has just been my personal experience and as always ymmv

    • Wtf language r u typing in

      • Alien.

        Sorry I'm still learning your interesting human ways.

        • +1

          Learn to type proper england otherwise no zbargain 4 u

      • +1

        common english is too much to expect these days

        • This is why I pay a premium for posh English lessons etc f common english chap

    • i really want to read and understand what you are saying, but i am really struggling and genuinely having a hard time here :(

      • Basically what you think is what it is is not and what you don't think is is..

        I dunno expect the unexpected and don't expect the expected lol haha i honestly also don't know but basically my life has been constantly flipped upside down over and over again so maybe I should do the opposite of what I am doing now to get back on track?

        • I've run out of down-votes. What bad timing.

  • +1

    I love these types of topics because there are so many ways to think about them.

    My initial response and simply put - yes and no.

    We experience our lives through our own experiences, our own eyes, our own ears, etc.

    Your expectations around what is 'common sense/courtesy' are your own and sometimes they are shared by a few, sometimes by many, sometimes the majority.

    I'm confused why you had to mention the gender of the staff - "… who was a female and an other female colleague …". I could easily make assumptions around this in a similar fashion to the assumptions about the group with the disruptive father and child.

    It could be that the father has had a rough upbringing and without awareness and the value of an effective education and mentors is behaving in the way that he is. If this is the case, his behaviour may be completely appropriate. Once you and your wife have recovered, sympathy may be appropriate for him and his family and the direction they may be taking in life in their condition and their future opportunities.

    I'm not suggesting you should consider sympathy. I'm simply pointing out that beneath the immediate experience, there may be a situation you're not aware of.

    Similarly, your experiences and the people in your life have led to your own behaviour and expectations when visiting a cinema.

    Knowing so little and not being entitled to know more, if I was in your situation, after requesting they curb their behaviour once, I would have approached the staff for assistance. After that, I probably would have left knowing that their behaviour situation is beyond my influence and not my responsibility.

    On a few occasions, going to certain cinemas has been an incredibly frustrating experience.
    As a result, I've avoided these cinemas because my expectations (similar to yours) could rarely be met consistently.

    I visit cinemas less frequently (also because I have a child) and am more selective of the cinemas I visit.

    • +1

    • +1

      so it sounds like the solution is separate cinemas for bogans??

    • +2

      I mentioned the gender of the staff as females bcoz this guy threatened my wife while I was outside. That says how he treats women in his life in general. So naturally for me, the manager being female as well as the colleague was a concern for me as I am considerate about their welfare.

      Maybe his behaviour would have been different if the manager was male bcoz he didn't threaten me to my face while I was in there.

      Also, are we now using people's upbringing as an excuse for what/how they behave in public? I judge people based on their behaviour, not on the past. I had a tough life growing up, but I tell my wife that if we have kids, I want them to have a better upbringing/life. I'm not going to use my past as an excuse for my irrational behaviour and set better examples for my children.

    • great comments although it does suggest that after being told politely to please be quiet so they can enjoy the movie and then their attitude towards erupting and wanting to fight will probably allow some sort of judgement.

      with that being said. don't cinemas these days tell you to put your phone on silent and to be courteous to others? or maybe its just select cinemas that do that

  • -2

    2018, netflix and chill bruh. Common Sense/Courtesy is not a legal obligation.

  • +1

    Years ago, I asked a guy to stop talking on his mobile phone.
    If looks could kill, I would not have witnessed the end of the movie.

    I suspect inconsiderate behaviour has been a problem in cinemas since their inception.

  • This is exactly why i invested in a good home cinema setup. Op's scenario is all too common. I stopped going to the cinemas years ago.

  • We have just returned from a cruise ( boasting )but on one ocasion we moved three times to get away from peoples LOUD conversations while trying to listen to two ladies playing music. if you go to any venue to be entertained its only good manners to pay attention to the performance.

  • This is why I pay a premium for gold class etc f people man

    • I used to do this, one time I got a bunch of loud drink girls who kept ordering bottles of wine and screaming at each other other.

      Home cinema wins every time.

      • Yeah that's some bad luck lol

        I mean out of the 12 occupants vs 100? Its a decent gamble

        • It's an okay gamble. tickets cost more though.
          I prefer the 1 occupant option at home. Plus I can lounge around in underwear and pause whenever I want.

    • +1

      I agree

      Platinum at Palace Cinemas are good too.

      Also the reclining seats at Hoyts with wall dividers helps with privacy and noise somewhat.

      I am not sure why you do it, but the reason I pay more is to simply get away from people as much as I can whilst enjoying watching a good movie on a big screen and good sound that I cannot get at home. People just annoy me. Call me an elitist.

  • +2

    Can someone please do an MSPAINT of this scenario so I can visualise a full picture of events here.

    • +9
      • +1

        hahaha… that's a good one! except they were sitting behind us in the last row, and we were in the 2nd last row.

        The emotions are kinda on point!

  • Jumbo family packs of Jaffas are on sale for $4. Problem sorted.

    • +4

      I upvoted you because you raised a valid point of over reacting spurring into a tirade of over reactions.

      However, please note that OP is still human and might not have the zen some of us have. Getting angry and reacting badly is perfectly normal

      It is perfectly normal to firstly try to shrug it off and then get pissed off or angry after build up and reacted badly to a bad situation (even OP did say he know he shouldn't have done it)

      I don't think it is their fault if they are constantly annoyed and have not dealt with the situation often to know what to do.

      how about you sit in the others persons shoes for a minute and understand what's going through their head, give them the opportunity to understand their misdoings but then seek the appropriate disciplinary measures when the time comes.

      This is hard task when you are on a receiving side. On hindsight you can always reflect and see what you can do better, but it is near impossible to sit in the shoes of someone who is annoying the heck out of you when you are still in the situation.

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