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[NSW/ACT/QLD/SA/WA] Optus 5G Home Broadband $70/Month Unlimited [Selected Suburbs] with 50 Mbps Guaranteed

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As per the title, Optus is rolling out its 5G Home Broadband at 50Mbps guaranteed speed sometime in the middle of 2019 year. To begin with, it’s limited to few suburbs per state.

Good bye NBN.

PS. I am not in one of those listed suburbs!


Mod: Further info

  • As of today, a lucky selection of Optus customers in Canberra (who live in Dickson or Manuka) will have the opportunity to sign up to get a 5G home Wi-Fi service.
  • Optus says it has launched an additional live site in Sydney and 47 more sites are planned to be online by March this year.
  • Optus has opened expressions of interest today allowing customers to register their interest for 5G home broadband in certain areas of selected suburbs including 23 in NSW, 13 in Queensland and nine in the ACT
  • Optus will confirm that we have received your submission and will keep you updated on the progress of your Expression of Interest.

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    • It is unlikely to. The biggest driver of NBN plan costs is the wholesale charges of NBNCo and those wholesale charges are based on the cost of the roll out. Labor designed the NBN with speed tiers, which gave up the one advantage of the NBN over wireless: speed.

      Optus, Telstra & Vodafone have an interest in high NBN prices because it improves the value equation for wireless.

      The real fun will start if Elon Musk's SpaceX satellite internet plan for works. Two very expensive NBN satellites will become redundant.

      • +11

        Oh wow, looks like we got a Liberal shill here. If you are going to blame, then do it objectively. What killed the 'one advantage' (not counting latency, reliability, upgradability, resistance to weather, etc) of the NBN was Turnbull gutting the FTTP in favor of obsolete tech.

        • -6

          Objectively 84% were connecting at 25Mbps or slower on FTTP because the vast majority aren't prepared to pay for fast internet. The Liberals increased that to 50Mbps simply by changing pricing structures. FTTP is great technology but Labor hobbled it with speed tiers and that enabled the Liberals to introduce FTTN without impacting on 84% who couldn't afford Labor's mythical 1Gbps plans.

          Australians have determined they would prefer slower internet with unlimited data.

          • +5

            @mathew42: "Labor designed the NBN with speed tiers, which gave up the one advantage of the NBN over wireless: speed." And then, "because the vast majority aren't prepared to pay for fast internet." So you meant cost in your original statement? Cost of FTTP vs FTTN is a can of worms you or I do not want to open. Long story short, FTTP is cheaper in the medium and long run for everyone.

            There are many reasons why people subscribe to lower speeds. Depending on the timing, high bandwidth internet services may not have been part of Australian culture at the time. Lets see your source.

            • @Strong Salad: Two sources are on the product record:
              * Labor's NBNCo Corporate Plan, published each year from 2009-2012 and a leaked 2013 draft.
              * ACCC Wholesale Market Indicators Report

          • +2

            @mathew42: Mathew42 honestly how you can defend the Liberal MTM NBN disaster is beyond me.

            We have squandered the opportunity to deliver world class Internet to 93% of Australians.

            We are going to spend over $50bn and deliver outdated and unreliable FTTN to more than 60% of the population.

            MTM NBN is nothing short of a national disgrace.

            • -3

              @aussietivoman: I'm not so much defending the MTM decision, but pointing out the significant gap between what people think Labor were delivering (1Gbps FTTP) and the reality that Labor expected <1% to be able to afford 1Gbps in 2026, while 50% remained on 12Mbps.

              Consider this:
              * The average speed on the NBN today is faster than before the first FTTN connection and faster than Labor's expectation.
              * If you removed Labor's speed tiers from the NBN, the average speed on FTTN would be 68Mbps, faster than the FTTP average.

              MTM NBN is nothing short of a national disgrace.

              The national disgrace is Labor who could have built the NBN without speed tiers and delivered a national network that was truly world first and had the potential of generating innovation. Instead Labor expected that only a few rich people would have access to the eHealth and eLearning services that have recommended speeds of 100Mbps and faster.

              Disgraceful are the people who ignored what Labor wrote in the NBN Corporate Plan because Labor promised a 1Gbps capable network and they thought they would be in the 1% who could afford it. The 1% who can afford 1Gbps can easily afford technology change costs.

              When you consider that <10% are impacted by MTM, it is challenging to justify it being a disaster when compared with Labor's speed tiers which limited 99%.

              • +2

                @mathew42: I dont like politicians of any flavour, but hard to see how Labor building FTTP to 93% of Australians was worse than Liberals giving FTTN to 60% under MTM.

                FTTN is limited to a maximum of 100Mbps - often in the real world a lot less.

                FTTP can deliver speeds up to 1000Mbps - actual speeds can approach that in the real world.

                FTTP was comparably future proof. It supports greater speeds (and therefore greater revenue) and although costing slightly more to implement, it is many times cheaper to maintain.

                Malcolm Turnbull made $50m on his investment in Ozemail back in the day. He rewarded the CEO of OzEmail, Justin Milne, with a chairmanship of the ABC, a board seat on the NBN and a $10+ billion contract for Milne's new company Netcomm Wireless to provide FTTN technology to NBN.

                Now the Banking Royal Commission is over, I would love to see one into the NBN.

                If Turnbull had asked qualified people in the USA, UK or New Zealand whether FTTN was a good move they would have said no. Milne said yes because it meant his company made billions.

                • -2

                  @aussietivoman:

                  I dont like politicians of any flavour, but hard to see how Labor building FTTP to 93% of Australians was worse than Liberals giving FTTN to 60% under MTM.

                  It is trivially easy to see how Labor's plan was worse when you consider real world take-up. The NBN with FTTN is faster in the real world because Liberals reduced the price of CVC from Labor's $20/Mbps to ~$8/Mbps and bundled CVC with 50Mbps AVC.

                  Your statements about speed are in the same vein to someone with a Brabham BT62. Sure it has the fastest lap around Bathurst, but with speed limits it is just as fast as a Chery J1. You salivate about theoretical speeds ignoring the fact that due to Labor adding speed tiers, less than 10% have 100Mbps and retailers will not sell you a 1Gbps service even though NBNCo have been selling it since December 2013.

                  The reality is the 1% that Labor expected to have 1Gbps in 2026 can easily afford technology change costs and so aren't impacted, meanwhile significantly more are on 25Mbps & 50Mbps plans than was expected by Labor in the NBNCo Corporate Plan.

                  • +2

                    @mathew42: If speed tiers are such an issue, why didnt the Liberals just abolish them when they took power??

                    The Government owns the NBN, they could do it if they wanted to. They implemented MTM with the stroke of a pen, but they didn't get rid of these apparently abhorrent speed tiers?

                    Retailers like Telstra max out at 100Mbps plans for now for retail clients- but you can buy higher speeds from Aussie Broadband and others. Also you can get higher speed tiers from Telstra corporate if you want to stick with them.

                    The fact is, under the original FTTP to 93% plan, 93% of Australians would have had the ability to get up to 1000Mbps downloads in their home.

                    Now the 60% on FTTN can NEVER achieve higher than 100Mbps - and most can't even ever achieve close to 100Mbps.

                    7 technologies in MTM make the overheads in running NBN multiple times higher.
                    Also every node requires power - its estimated that the cost to power the nodes is at least $50m per annum. FTTP doesn't have nodes, so thats automatically $50m per annum in perpetuity saved.

                    There is talk that NBN Co might pull out the copper in some FTTN sites in the next 5-10 years. That is monumental waste. None of the FTTN technology they've spent billions on can be re-used in FTTP.

                    Instead of equality in services for 93% of Australians, we have NBN Lotto where there are winners and losers. We also have undeniably more expensive to maintain, less reliable and less capable Internet services.

                    • -1

                      @aussietivoman:

                      Instead of equality in services for 93% of Australians, we have NBN Lotto where there are winners and losers. We also have undeniably more expensive to maintain, less reliable and less capable Internet services.

                      Labor correctly identified that the public interest benefits of the NBN come from services like eHealth and eLearning and determined that the minimum recommended speeds for these services are 100Mbps. However Labor lost the plot by introducing speed tiers with the expectation that 50% on 1Gbps FTTP would connect at 12Mbps, slightly faster than average ADSL2+ speed. In a classic example of 'the tail wagging the dog', most people latched on to 1Gbps FTTP ignoring Labor's statement that in 2026 only 1% were expected to have a 1Gbps service.

                      The NBN speed lotto is based firmly on wealth not technology access. The ACCC NBN Wholesale Market Indicators report shows that only 10% can justify the cost of the 100Mbps speed tier. FTTN, FTTB, HFC & FTTP don't make a difference. RSPs aren't offering faster plans because market demand for unlimited data make it too expensive.

                      Consider this if the Liberals had gone to the 2013 election promising to cut speeds from 1Gbps to the 68Mbps FTTN average for the majority of connections would this have been an easy sell? Labor couldn't counter FTTN because their own speed tiers had resulted in 84% were choosing 25Mbps or slower. Predominately the rich were benefiting from 100Mbps and NBNCo wasn't even selling faster speeds on the 1Gbps network.

                      The 'good' news this is that thanks to Liberal cutting the CVC price from $20/Mbps to $8/Mbps and bundling CVC with 50Mbps AVC, 50Mbps prices dropped to the 25Mbps price. The migration from 25Mbps to 50Mbps occurred because RSPs were able to increase the speed at the same cost and most people were too lazy to select a cheaper, slower plan.

                      If you replaced all the FTTN with FTTP and returned to Labor's pricing model ($20/Mbps for CVC, no bundling with AVC), I expect that RSP prices would go up and people would complain and migrate to a cheaper slower plan.

                    • -1

                      @aussietivoman:

                      Retailers like Telstra max out at 100Mbps plans for now for retail clients- but you can buy higher speeds from Aussie Broadband and others. Also you can get higher speed tiers from Telstra corporate if you want to stick with them.

                      According to the ACCC NBN Wholesale Market Indicators Report at the end of September 2018, a grand total of 596 connections were faster than 100Mbps. I'd struggle to call 0.05% of the 1,297,327 active FTTP services significant demand.

                      If Labor hadn't added speed tiers to the NBN it would be 100% and we wouldn't have MTM.

                    • -1

                      @aussietivoman:

                      If speed tiers are such an issue, why didnt the Liberals just abolish them when they took power?

                      Very few people understand that speed tiers are the issue.
                      Do you agree it is the issue?

                      What I find amusing is that people cheered the Liberals dropping the price of CVC from $20/Mbps to $8/Mbps and bundling with AVC, not understanding that unlimited data plans make faster speeds more expensive.

                • @aussietivoman: It still pisses me off how easy Labor made it for the LNP to outwit and outmaneuver them. They build a gigabit network, make access to gigabit unviable, then turn it into a battle over the price 12/25mbps plans. If the morons had started with cheap gigabit plans on FTTP then whole debate would have been over before it started.

      • +5

        Labor designed the NBN with speed tiers, which gave up the one advantage of the NBN over wireless: speed.

        Yes Labor gave up the advantage of speed, not Liberals that chose copper over fiber.

        • -2

          The average 68Mbps on FTTN is faster that what 84% on fixed connections are choosing (ACCC NBN Market Indicators Report). Further the percentage on 100Mbps has been dropping since 2012 as the percentage of early adopters drop.

    • Nah. NBNCo will just lobby for a special wireless tax to protect the. NBN.

  • What are those places in NSW only place i have heard of is Warwick farm in the Bankstown line and Richmond (not Richmond lowlands not sure if its the same thing

    • -6

      Rich white man suburbs

      • Looks like optus accepts donations

      • +3

        Lol are you kidding, half the places in NSW are low socioeconomic areas

        • Lol don’t bothered researching just went with what that guy commented

        • -1

          Likewise for WA. Some middle-to-upper-middle WASP areas. The rest are low socioeconomic. I think Optus have tried to balance the market + ease of introducing the infrastructure etc.

    • Surroundings of Mounty County

  • +3

    Bye NBN

    • +4

      This is only a trial, and I'm willing to bet the prices and speed guarantees are just to encourage early adoption for the trial period.

      There's no way Optus is going to be able to deliver such consistent speeds and unlimited downloads over 5G for $70/month in the longer term and still make money.

      • +1

        Literally what the CEO said on Sky News this morning, once roll out is finished "competitive plans will be launched"

        • +1

          Unlimited data is very competitive. So competitive it competes with the NBN.

      • +1

        This is where you are wrong. It can be done on a fixed wireless basis. It can't be done on a mobile basis.

    • +2

      If you don't mind higher latency, higher jitter and higher packet loss (so say goodbye to online gaming, which is actually a lot of people these days), then sure, if you're right under a 5G tower its a viable alternative. Thing is, with its much shorter wavelength, most people will never be within range of a 5G tower unless they build 7x as many.

      • Viper expected latency on 5G is 5ms or less according to the specs I've seen. Where do you get your higher latency prediction from??

        • Specs ie ideal lab conditions not realworld.
          Some FTTP users get 1ms. Even some FTTN users get sub-5ms.
          Also reduced jitter and packet loss.

          • @Viper8: I call BS on FTTN getting sub 5ms.

            I am on FTTN, have been for 2 years. Never got close to 5ms….

            • @aussietivoman: Lol. And you represent all FTTN users do you?
              Go on Whirlpool and get educated. Plenty of FTTN users with sub-5ms.

              • @Viper8: Lol get educated??

                Wow happy to compare my IQ and education to yours…

                You are the one spouting rubbish here.

                I call BS on FTTN getting sub 5ms.

                I am on FTTN, have been for 2 years. Never got close to 5ms….

                At least half of all FTTN connections can't get 50Mbps ever due to distance to the node, crap wiring, etc.

                This is a very good alternative to FTTN for some people, including myself once they roll it out in my area.

                Why would I stick with 27Mbps maximum download on my crap FTTN 1200m from the node when I can get a guaranteed MINIMUM download speed of nearly double that….

                • @aussietivoman: Ill refer back to my previous post. You are but a single data point. Your experiences do not represent all.

                  There are loads of speed test users from FTTN users on Whirlpool.
                  I question your education when you call BS on something based soley on your experiences.

                  The 2nd half of your post discusses topics I never debated.

                  And with that I'll cease replying as I'm now repeating myself.

  • +2

    Hold on everyone the NBN is coming and will be fast and fix all your problems.LOL

    • +3

      I will get 5G before I get NBN. The absolute state of Government Programmes is horrid. XD

    • +9

      The NBN died when FTTP was replaced. A full FTTP NBN was capable of 1Gbps+. Abbott decided to (profanity) us for the next 20 years by reusing the copper that has been in the ground for 50 years already.

  • +1

    I'm curious as to why a majority of the NSW areas are located in "lower socioeconomic" suburbs.
    Would the data traffic be less?

    • +12

      If the unemployment is higher in those suburbs, there's probably more people just sitting at home watching Netflix all day using up data..

    • +2

      They are probably targetting areas listed to be last for NBN deployment.

      • No, some of those areas already have NBN.

    • They might be areas that have older towers and therefore stand the most to gain from an upgrade.

  • Is FPS/RTS gaming possible on a 4G/'5G' connection, or is the latency too high?

    • +3

      I've been playing on Optus/Telstra 4G for 2 years now and no issues here. Rock solid. Ping is barely 10ms higher than fixed line.

    • Nobody has really launched a public 5G network to test in real-world conditions, so it's hard to know.

      Latency over 5G is supposed to be very low (~1ms), but it's largely dependent on the network architecture and could easily be much more than that.

    • It will vary depending on your location (due to contention).

    • Dont count on it. Latency is not stable in wireless connections when I used them couple of years ago. Speed also depends how many devices are being used for voice and data. Voice gets the priority..

      • +2

        latency is dependent on the LTE bearer you are getting - VoLTE has low latency and Jitter - via a dedicated bearer. The LTE default bearer is typically best efforts.

    • I would get around 60ms with Telstra/Vodafone 4G to League of Legends Australia servers.

      23ms latency by ADSL2+.

      • And a few milliseconds by FTTP.!

    • +1

      i have 4G optus and optus NBN wireless, 4G works perfectly for rocket league at 50-60ms and nbn wireless is always 90-120

      • What 4G modem are you using on 4G Optus?

    • Depends, but I'd say in most circumstances it's comparable. I use my phone 4G all the time for CS:GO when my family starts watching netflix. That way I have decent ping.

  • +3

    Wont stay unlimited once full roll out is done
    CEO was on sky news talking about it this morning, they doing unlimited for now to test new network etc
    once roll out is completed "competitive plans" will be launched for all.

  • +2

    Isnt 5G speed somewhere around few Gb/s? 50Mb sounds more like 4G

    • +1

      50Mbps is the minimum

      It's kind of like how nbn says 25Mbps is the minimum when FTTP is capable of 1Gbps

    • Yeah but that is to share around hence why 5G will never kill a fixed line FTTP connection ever

    • Same concern

    • 5G should be up to 20 Gbps. But real world performance, it's probably around 200 Mbps on average. That's nothing to really scoff at because that's still better than copper NBN.

  • +1

    So how fast can 5G go????

    • It says 50Mbps Guaranteed.
      so just divide by 8 to get Bytes.

      I.e 6.25 Megabytes Per a Second

      • +1

        but how fast can it potentially get to?

        • Google. From memory, it can potentially be faster than NBN if there is enough bandwidth

          • +2

            @kickmiass: "Australian 5G networks will use a combination of these technologies. In Telstra's Gold Coast 5G trials, it achieved network speeds of around 3Gbps using mmWave bands. That's roughly 3,000Mbps, or 30 times as a fast as the maximum speed of an NBN 100 connection."

            Wow, so 30 Megabytes Per a Second

            I'm currently on FTTP 100Mbps and pretty happy with it.

            • +1

              @Homr: 3000mbps is around 300Mb per second

              • +2

                @bm: Shared with how many people also need to factor that in I'm sure it isn't 3000Mb/s for everyone lol

              • +3

                @bm: *300MB per second (the B is important!)

                • @Marty131: wow that's fast, so that means you can download 1.5Gb Bluray rip in 5s?

            • @Homr: And you should be. Your fibre cable has the potential to be a few thousand times faster than the max for 5g. So well into terrabits territory. Just need a relatively small equipment upgrade. Congratulations.

              • @Strong Salad: And a massive change to NBN pricing. Unlimited data plans mean that many RSPs today are not even promoting 100Mbps let alone offering faster plans because it is too expensive.

            • @Homr:

              That's roughly 3,000Mbps, or 30 times as a fast as the maximum speed of an NBN 100 connection.

              NBN maximum speed is 1Gbps. As of September 2018, there are 596 NBN services faster than 100Mbps. The reason RSPs don't offer 1Gbps is that unlimited data plans make it too expensive.

          • +5

            @kickmiass: Nothing wireless will ever beat fibre optic or decent copper (short run). The downfall of fixed cable has long been proclaimed by the technically illerate and it will never happen, for reasons they refuse to understand.

            A hype train is more fun than physics.

            • +1

              @ctg: Nothing….will ever….

              In the world of technology that is a statement that is bound to fail.

              • @whats up skip: Yeah they said the same thing about wired telephones. And Ethernet cables.

                Of course wires (and especially fibres) will always retain an edge, but wireless can certainly be "good enough" for 99% of users. Whether wired internet to homes and businesses ever goes away depends on market forces and government policies.

  • +5

    Without Huawei devices? I think it will be 9102……

    • wont be that long, but just more expensive.
      It does not matter, Aussies are rich!

    • Having Chinese owned conpanies in your core infrastructure is an unbelievably stupid move.

      • +6

        and yet you have american spy you every single move is okay? google, facebook, microsoft and so on…

        • +3

          Forgot Apple, US govt.

      • +1

        con-panies?

        • Another Damn anti-Chinese Gov Chinese. Please don't worry about our lives.

        • sorry, to the guy above ,not your, friend.

  • No Victoria or tasmania..

  • In south korea, they released the real 5G for the internet. It has 1Gb/s… 5G for 50mbps? IMO
    Even NBN is 15 years old technology.

    • +22

      That's South Korea. Australia prefers North Korea technology.

      • +1

        Agreed

    • +1

      Population? Size of country?

    • +5

      Australia is about 78 times bigger than South Korea. South Korea is approximately 99,720 sq km, while Australia is approximately 7,741,220 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of South Korea is ~51.2 million people (27.9 million fewer people live in Australia).

      nuff said…

    • And is that 1Gbps guaranteed? Peak throughput and sustained throughput are two different things…

  • Who decides on the suburb list? What a random list of suburbs.

    Btw reading this while on the phone to Exetel trying to sort my ADSL issue. Haven't had internet at home for 2 weeks now. A week ago they say, "Line test comes back perfectly fine on our end. Issue may be at your place or equipment. If we send a technician out, we may charge you $220."

    Now get an SMS, "We are currently trying to resolve your issue with a technician, due to the complexity of the issue, we can't give you a estimated time remaining".

    • Go have a look at the Optus 4G unlimited data plans that already exist.

      Optus bought out Vivid and it was something like $200 for the modem and $80 a month? forgot.

      I use vivid atm for small gaming and it works fine 90% of the time. No real issues with latency.

      Test it out and see what kind of speeds you get. Atm i'm only getting like 5-10mbps

      • I'm more concerned with streaming like Netflix. Wonder if 4G can handle Netflix plus 2 or so devices connected at the same time.

        • i have optus 4G and also optus NBN wireless, NBN wireless has higher speeds on speedtest.net but cannot even play netflix it just buffers and thats on 1080p netflix but 4G works perfectly (4G 15Mbps NBNW 30-50Mbps)

          • @ilovepizza: Check to see if your optus 4g offers unmetered netflix. It throttles the speed down to 1.5mbps.

            Better off turning it off and enjoying watching netflix.

        • Depends entirely on how congested your local network tower is, personally right now in peak time I'm getting https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/4646982553 on the optus 4G plan. That'd be more than enough for multiple netflix streams going at the same time.

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