• expired

Seagate IronWolf 8TB NAS (ST8000VN004) $295.20 + Delivery ($0 w/Plus) @ Computer Alliance eBay

930
PSAVECA

Similar to the previous 20% off deal in September 2019, here is an updated table with the current pricing on NAS hard drives. Best bang for buck is still the Seagate IronWolf 8TB (ST8000VN004) at $36.9 per TB even though the drive price has gone up by $10 (before discount) since September.

Seagate Promotion

As pointed out by SSJX, there is a promotion for a free Seagate 500GB One Touch SSD Limited Edition valued at A$129 for those who have purchased two of the 8TB IronWolf drives or larger such as the ST8000VN004 highlighted in this deal, or four of the 4TB or 6TB IronWolf drives from eligible retailers (including Computer Alliance). Refer to promotion details in the separate deal created: Seagate Promotion.

Price per TB analysis

Name Model Size (TB) Computer_Alliance (18/11/19) Less 20% Price per TB URL
Seagate IronWolf 6TB ST6000VN0033 6 299 239.2 39.87 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6TB-Seagate-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-IronWolf-NAS-HDD-PN-ST6000VN0033/173370988028
WD Red 6TB WD60EFAX 6 299 239.2 39.87 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6TB-WD-3-5-SATA-6Gb-s-Red-HDD-PN-WD60EFAX/173849836293
Seagate IronWolf 8TB ST8000VN004 8 369 295.2 36.90 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/8TB-Seagate-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-IronWolf-NAS-HDD-PN-ST8000VN004/173939130360
WD Red 8TB WD80EFAX 8 379 303.2 37.90 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/8TB-WD-3-5-SATA-6Gb-s-Red-HDD-PN-WD80EFAX/173487313953
WD Red 10TB WD100EFAX 10 499 399.2 39.92 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10TB-WD-3-5-SATA-6Gb-s-Red-HDD-PN-WD100EFAX/172828562052
Seagate IronWolf 10TB ST10000VN0004 10 499 399.2 39.92 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10TB-Seagate-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-Ironwolf-NAS-HDD-PN-ST10000VN0004/172680995724
WD Red Pro 10TB WD101KFBX 10 599 479.2 47.92 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10TB-WD-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-6Gb-s-RED-Pro-HDD-PN-WD101KFBX/172793127511
Seagate IronWolf 12TB ST12000VN0008 12 639 511.2 42.60 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12TB-Seagate-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-IronWolf-HDD-PN-ST12000VN0008/173917052835
Seagate IronWolf Pro 12TB ST12000NE0008 12 769 615.2 51.27 https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12TB-Seagate-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-IronWolf-Pro-HDD-PN-ST12000NE0008/173917052883

I haven't included the larger capacity drives beyond this as they're probably not that economical for most people!

Historical Pricing

For those who are in the rebellion against Jack, see table below for where the price differences are against both the 26 September 2019 pricing and even the 22 September 2019 pricing:

Name Model 22/09/2019 26/09/2019 18/11/2019 Vs 22/9 Vs 26/9
Seagate IronWolf 6TB ST6000VN0033 299 285 299 0 14
WD Red 6TB WD60EFAX 299 299 299 0 0
Seagate IronWolf 8TB ST8000VN004 359 359 369 10 10
WD Red 8TB WD80EFAX 379 379 379 0 0
WD Red 10TB WD100EFAX 459 459 499 40 40
Seagate IronWolf 10TB ST10000VN0004 499 479 499 0 20
WD Red Pro 10TB WD101KFBX 599 599 599 0 0
Seagate IronWolf 12TB ST12000VN0008 659 639 639 -20 0
Seagate IronWolf Pro 12TB ST12000NE0008 769 769 769 0 0

Hope this helps! Happy shopping!

Other

Previous Computer_Alliance NAS drive comparison
Original Coupon Deal

EDIT: Updated wrong product URL (thanks Taneda1988) and added in direct hyperlinks to each eBay page (automatic URL conversion doesn't seem to work in tables).
EDIT 2: Fixed a typo in the 2nd table due to me copy pasting from a previous post.
EDIT 3: Thanks to SSJX for pointing out that stock came back in and the free Seagate 500GB OneTouch SSD Limited Edition promotion! Refer to Seagate Promotion

Related Stores

eBay Australia
eBay Australia
Marketplace
Computer Alliance
Computer Alliance

Comments

  • +11 votes

    Serious effort mate!

  • +2 votes

    You've put the wrong link, $359 is OOS on 6 Nov
    Here is the correct one
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/8TB-Seagate-3-5-7200rpm-SATA-Iro...

    •  

      Thanks - updated! For some reason Chrome autofilled that box for me and overwrote the new link with the old link from my previous deal… probably because I copy pasted other bits from there too.

  •  

    Which one is better? WD or Seagate?

    • +9 votes

      I don't know if we really want to get into that… but the TL;DR is that spec-wise they will perform pretty similarly and the main concern most people have with NAS drives running 24/7 is reliability, and there doesn't seem to be a statistically significant difference between the two based on the anecdotal evidence and occasionally statistically sound studies posted online. In other words, go for the cheapest.

      (happy to be corrected here if anyone has a sound argument one way or the other but at least from what I've read online, there isn't much beyond personal experience in most cases and unfortunately hard drives running 24/7 will eventually die)

    •  

      I agree with Jace's comment above. That's a debate that you won't get solved here. Lots of people will sit in both camps, and for good reason.
      My 2c: They're both great drives (Ironwolf or Reds). I run Seagate exclusively in a 24/7 file server, and I've still got some Seagate NAS drives running that are 4 or 5 years old, and still no issues.

      I've just bought an Ironwolf 8TB to replace a 5TB seagate drive that I shucked a few years ago which died on the weekend, so this sale is good timing for me.

      • +1 vote

        You do raise one interesting point there Spun regarding shucking drives vs NAS drives. I know there's also people in each camp who will argue a shucked consumer drive is perfectly fine for a NAS, but IMO, if my data is worth putting in a NAS to begin with, then I probably want to still be able to access it because the hard drive was designed for 24/7 operation rather than risk losing it (or at least access to it whilst the RAID rebuilds).

        • +2 votes

          Yeah, I did it because the 5TB external was amazingly cheap at the time, and since I run Stablebit Drivepool and it was only a Multimedia drive I wasn't afraid of losing it. I've since learned that this batch of 5TB Seagates was notoriously failure prone, so I was expecting it to die long before it actually did. With this POS purged I'll now be running 100% NAS drives on this server.

          Anything in my other pool (my documents/photos pool) is running full redundancy, with Backblaze backup over the top, and running exclusively on NAS drives.

          I definitely agree though that the savings of using a shucked drive in a NAS application just aren't worth it if you value your data (or the time to recover it, assuming you have a redundant backup).

      • +1 vote

        This - people's attachment to a brand is generally driven by getting burnt by a bad batch at some point (my most recent was 2TB Segates pre-Ironwolf branding- 3 from 3 failed, switched to WD 2TB reds initially then 4TB reds & haven't needed to upgrade since).

        Stick around long enough/work with enough volume of drives and one's 'favoured' brand will eventually burn them too.

    •  

      In term of warranty, I had bad experience with WD. I'm not sure why but every time I answered to their questions about the items or its status, error, I need to start from beginning because they don't know about earlier answers.

      Then it finally came through, they send me kind of refurbished hard drive that also die after few months. When I check warranty for the replacement again, the warranty nearly went out, they probably counted from the the first hard drive, not from the replacement hard drive.

      I enquired them about it, they said they will arrange the courier to pick up, then never come back so I threw away the drive because I think they will send another refurbished one, and die after few months and warranty is already went out so what I will get is just frustration.

    • +2 votes

      I try and ensure my NAS mirrors always have 2 different brands. Because of price this usually works out to be a WD drive and a Seagate drive although I have thrown Toshiba into the mix, too.

      You want your mirror drives to expire at different times and, possibly, in different ways, to maximise recovery potential from the intact copy.

  • +3 votes

    great post and fantastic formatting

    I've noticed in general prices from local stores have gone up a bit in recent months, does anybody have info as to why? was there a typhoon over once of the manufacturing cities or something?

    • +3 votes

      This is my own pure speculation but I feel that hard drive prices have somewhat plateaued with the supply issues from previous years under control and manufacturing probably no longer caught off guard by the rise of SSDs. NAS drives being specialised drives rather than mainstream consumer probably also have a premium built in. As a result of this, hard drive pricing is probably more impacted by FX movements than any rapid advances in technology or manufacturing changes (although I do acknowledge that the HDD manufacturers are still innovating with bigger hard drives).

    • +2 votes

      I think the low AUD is finally catching up with us.

  •  

    The 8tb red is a decent price for 'everyday' pricing, though they regularly go down that low on special. They've been as low as $250 in special event pricing in the past.

  • +1 vote

    I just picked up the 8TB and a UPS from this sale. Should keep me happy for quite a while :)

  •  

    Can I use this Seagate IronWolf 8TB NAS dirve just as a general storage drive? Is there anything I should be aware of since it is labelled as a "NAS" drive? Thanks and sorry for the nob question.

    •  

      Yes you can but you'd probably be better off with a normal consumer drive which is cheaper.

      Here's a potentially biased article outlining the difference between a NAS hard drive and a standard consumer drive by Synology https://nascompares.com/2017/09/08/what-is-the-difference-be...

      •  

        Thanks for the great article. So would you say the main advantage of the WD Red is that it will be more energy efficient, but the Seagate Ironwolf will be faster as it is 7200rpm vs. the 5400rpm in the WD Pro? Anything else I have missed? Thank you.

        • +1 vote

          I'm using ironwood drives for both purposes, they're very capable in both roles.

        •  

          For me I'd go NAS drive if I needed it to have good anti-vibration mounts (since NAS drives are usually close together and could create additional wear/stress) and was able to stay cool/run 24/7. If you're using it in a PC, you probably don't have other drives nearby and maybe even exceptional cooling, in which case a faster 7200rpm drive might be a better fit for normal consumer use where the drive spins up, does what it needs to do, spins down, goes back to quiet. The alternative option you have if it's for a PC is to just shuck a consumer drive since you'll get exceptional bang for buck (eg an 8TB WD Elements drive might be about $205ish, and if you want to keep it tidy, add a few dollars for a MOLEX to SATA power cable to overcome the 3.3v issue).

          •  

            @jace88: Yeah I used to just shuck the external consumer drives. But I tend to leave my PC on and sometimes it is running as a file server as well so I am getting a bit worried that those shucked drive from years ago might need a more robust backup / replacement. I am leaning towards the Ironwolf purely because it is the faster drive but I am hoping it won't use much more power than a WD red. Do WD red tend to have better reputation fro reliability or is it much the same between them?

            •  

              @concento: I have such a limited experience that anything I add would be anecdotal. That being said if you’re running you drive like a NAS even if it’s in a desktop then I don’t think it’ll be adverse to run a NAS specific drive but honestly I don’t think a consumer drive would fare that differently.

              Others with more knowledge on this topic would be more qualified to respond to your question though.

  •  

    How noisy are the Iron Wolves?

    • +2 votes

      Seagate spin at 7200RPM so noisier and louder than the 5600RPM WD Reds. I have both, however, this is a relative statement as it depends if you sit <1m from the HDD and the ambient noise etc. I have 6 drives ranging from WD Green WD Red a Samsung (that refuses to die) and a 8TB Ironwolf in a fractal case <1m away to the side of my desk and the computer is quiet (very quiet).

      • +1 vote

        Samsung (that refuses to die)

        Man I have Samsung I bought back in 05 or 06

        It was some big deal, can't remember why but I got it for rebuild.

        Mofo still going today!

      •  

        Do you find the Ironwolf to be faster for data read vs the WD Red in real life use? Any other pros and cons? Thanks.

      • +1 vote

        I can't comment on IronWolf but my HGST 7200rpm isn't that noisy unless you're next to it. I could see it becoming an issue for those who keep their NAS next to their home theater setup and are trying to watch a very quiet scene in a movie though… but then my apartment is near a main road so I've developed my own active noise cancellation (i.e. become desensitised to hearing those noises).

    • +1 vote

      Compared to other 7200rpm HDDs I have, they're quieter, but still audible from 5m away under load but that's two of them stacked together in a cheap NAS with no rubber bits to help with vibration.

      • +1 vote

        the comment about anti-vibration is key, in my fractal case the case itself has sound deadning, so the noise isn't too bad.
        In my little N40L NAS which is also used as a HTPC - it is a little annoying in the quiet parts.

  • +1 vote

    Thanks for the effort man. Helps heaps.
    question for y'all

    I've got 3x WD RED 8TB in raid 5, I have just under 3tb free.

    I don't see me adding much to erode that space , should I spend now on an extra drive?

    I also thought about when the 3 year warranty runs out in march, I was going to get all new drives, probably new nas too. Anyone been in my situation lately?

    I gotta get some usb back ups going.

    That 10tb usb seems tempting but I'd rather 2 x 4 with everything split evenly

    • +2 votes

      If you don't need it, don't buy it yet. These prices are good for today, but history has shown there have been better prices in the past and whilst my comment above around prices plateauing is true IMO, longer term prices will still tend downwards albeit slowly.

      But… if you have a pocket full of cash that you want to spend, get a UPS. Far more useful if you don't need more storage.

      • +1 vote

        Yeah, my thinking too
        Got ups, actually upgraded it to a bigger and better
        (i Hope) back in April.

        I gave my older one to some dude off here but I think I should of kept it for just the nas, rather than my entire entertainment system.

        Wish the ps4 /xbone had built in ups management. Be awesome if it shut itself down safely if power out for 5 mins

        Do ssd drives need to worry about that anymore?

        •  

          I've never thought my gaming was important enough to warrant a NAS to be honest lol.. but fair enough.

          I think SSDs are no different to HDDs although depending on model, some have inbuilt capacitors/etc to help prevent data loss in a power outage (from memory Crucial MX500 advertised something like this)… but for me, I'd just want a UPS for anything holding important data (eg. family photos).

          •  

            @jace88: Well, I keep ps4 in rest mode, so power cut out x always the possibility of Hdd failure.

            We only have short cut outs (wiring in building is bad) so I thought it may give me enough time to get to ps4 to shut it down properly

            •  

              @iamhurtin: Fair enough. Come to think of it I've had my PS4 have issues on several occasions due to me forgetting it's in rest mode when turning off the power upstream… but then as a result I no longer use rest mode.

              • +1 vote

                @jace88: No rest mode?

                Shhhhiiiiiiittt

                I think I like that more than anything in the world.

                I guess with games auto saving these days it's not like getting to the end of zelda and someone kicking the power cable out.

                But I was playing re 2 remake on hard core mode, so it's back to ink ribbons - it's nice I can rest it where I lay, you feel me?

                • +1 vote

                  @iamhurtin: Lol I don’t play often enough and when I do I didn’t enjoy waiting for the system to initialise after not being shut off properly before lol.

                  • +1 vote

                    @jace88: Yeah fair enough.

                    I was always like that on my pc too

                    I felt I'd rather turn on and play my game without anything using resources first

                    I couldn't handle losing a frame during when playing crisis

  • +1 vote

    Just buy an 8TB WD elements and shuck it for $200 on amazon

    •  

      Agreed. If you're running a NAS you will have disk redundancy so that should reduce the minimum quality of drive you are seeking. And the 8TB WD Elements are close to the best value under AU$225 on Amazon with free shipping.

      Seagate external drives are also coming down in price and I've shucked an 8TB external drive for use in my NAS, too, for brand redundancy.

  •  

    I have a really old NAS, the Dlink DNS-320L. I can only transfer writes at roughly 20-30MB/sec over wired gigabit ethernet. Is this typical for a home based NAS? What would be more realistic if I were to upgrade my NAS? Thanks in advance.

    • +1 vote

      It's not a great NAS. I was actually very close to buying one and that's what got me into researching Synology and QNAP NASes in the first place!

      To put it in perspective, I have wired gigabit ethernet and an old Synology DS216j (the "value" series- read: cheapest) and I write at 77Mbps to a 7200rpm HGST drive in RAID 1. I remember reading reviews of the newer NAS models which are >100Mbps writes (obviously dependent on network speed and hard drive speed) but these would be superior - and then you also have the option of things like a DS918+ with two m.2 NVMe drives installed for the read/write cache which will smash it!

  • +1 vote

    Topical, but not particularly useful: The Backblaze Q3 HDD stats were released today.

    https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3...

    I say "not particularly useful" because Backblaze don't run any WD drives so we can't get a comparison of Reds Vs Ironwolf from this. (Does anyone know why Backblaze don't use WD?)

    What is clear is that Seagate doesn't have a great showing in the failure rate stats on this list. Maybe that helps anyone in the brand-choice fence? (Knowing these stats I still went with an Ironwolf)

    •  

      The HGSTs are essentially enterprise WDs, unfortunately not correlated in reliability!

      Bb doesn't use these ironwolf drives either, so it's a similar ish comparison.

  • +2 votes

    Went OOS around midnight last night; and I emailed them about it.
    It's back in stock now - re: 8TB Ironwolf

    For those who purchase 2x 8TB or more, you can also redeem a free 500GB One Touch SSD Limited Edition from Seagate
    (Model No. STJE500405). It's worth roughly $140 AUD - you can use it or sell it to make your overall purchase even cheaper

    Link here: http://e.seagate.com/LP=4360

  •  

    Anyone else after a 8TB Ironwolf who also wants the 500GB SSD? I don't need the SSD but is happy to order 2 if someone wants to split the deal and is happy to pay a slightly higher share of the split in return for getting the SSD.

  •  

    Unfortunately just messaged CA and they said they can't get more in stock =(

    •  

      That’s odd - the eBay listing says they have stock back in. Have you tried ordering again?

      • +1 vote

        Oh true. Sorry I forgot to come back to this. Thanks! I'm not sure why CA said they didn't have more lol. I have now ordered =D

  •  

    Is it worth the money for these over buying external drives from Amazon and shucking them?

    •  

      In my opinion, no. But there's a lot of things to consider besides just price.

    •  

      There’s much debate on whether to shuck vs use NAS specific drives in a NAS. Comes down to your own views on the topic and risk appetite. There’s some merit in the arguments around “that’s what redundancy is for” from a logical point of view but for me, if I’m building a NAS then I want it to be reliable. This doesn’t necessarily guarantee NAS drives over normal consumer drives but for me, I was willing to pay the premium for the NAS specific features.

      •  

        Thanks guys. I'm not sure how much redundancy i'll actually setup on it if i get the synology 918+. Really just a storage place and running things in docker.

  • +1 vote

    These are good deals, but aren't great deals. Is it worth waiting fro black friday/cyber monday?
    Not sure, if this is the kind of stuff that they put on sale then

    •  

      Yea definitely black Friday there will be great deals.

    •  

      I'm hoping to snag some HGST or Toshiba drives on Black Friday. Both arguably lower failure rates than Seagate. I have several HGST drives, 0 failures over 5.5 years. Great drives.

      But whichever brand you want, Black Friday is the time to buy.

  •  

    Hi guys. I bought 2 x 8T IronWolf on 18 and seems Computer Alliance hasn’t shipped them out. Has anyone received a shipping notice?

    •  

      Maybe try messaging them - I've found their shipping speed to be really good (usually within a day). Given the giant sale on at the moment though I guess I wouldn't be surprised if they've been slammed with orders.

    • +2 votes

      We are very very backlogged.

      Working through most of the night as usual during sales, but i suspect most of the orders for the HDDs won't go out till early next week given most have been placed after the big surge at the start of the sale that are still working through.

  •  

    What category does hard drive belong to in TRS?

    •  

      If it were me, I'd just pick a generic electronics category if there's nothing more specific available.

  • +1 vote

    Does anyone have insights if Black Friday or Cyber Monday will bring greater savings?

  • +2 votes

    lowest price in history is
    $270

  •  

    Nice try Seagate haha! I have used both in the past, seagate died on me and WD haven't yet so WD works for me. Depends on your luck I guess. Seagate has a higher failure rate in general (@jace88 posted the link https://nascompares.com/2017/09/08/what-is-the-difference-be...).

    Does anyone know if CA will stock the 8tb WD's? Looks like Seagate have plenty of stock…

  •  

    Bought 2 more, thanks! Next purchase is probably going to be the Synology 418play which Computer Alliance doesn't seem to stock :(

    •  

      They do but it’s sold out now. I posted up a deal with the DS418play recently at computer alliance and noted they it seems to have come down in price vs the other Synology 4 bay models since the last sale.

  • Top