Not the cheapest but very close! Was $189 a couple of weeks ago but is currently $149 less coupon code.
Both wired and wireless models available.
Battery: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Google-S3000BWAU-Nest-Protec…
Wired: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Google-S3003LWAU-Nest-Protec…
Me too! I picked up x3.
Both links are for battery version? :)
Fixed now. Thanks for advising.
Now the text labels are around the wrong way XD
You got them mixed up now :P
I'm on P plates. LOL.
Thanks. Fixed now.
Thanks OP bought 5
Do I require an electrician if I want to replace current wired smoke alarm with wired Nest?
Yes
Why not just have it in addition to the Wired alarm? more detectors is better…
Does this still work on Google platform?
Yes
I thought google haven't provided full integration as yet. Only basic access?
It's controlled through the nest app, which you can log in using Google Home account if you already have it.
how long does the battery last?
I have had mine for 2 years with original LiOn batteries, still going strong. I turn off pathlight and Nightly promise on the battery ones to save batteries.
Rated at 5 years for the battery operated model. (x6 long-life AA Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries)
For the wired one, most likely for the life of the unit but don't quote me on that. (x3 long-life AA Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries)
I've just had one die on me that we've had for at most a year.
Pathlight and nightly promise likely chew up the battery much faster than expected. It wasn't even connected to the Wifi.
hmm without wifi connected, doesnt this just become a normal non-smart smoke detector?
@ltwo: They also talk to each other wirelessly. Without WiFi it will be constantly trying to connect to Wi-Fi so will also kill battery. Battery versions only check in once a day once connected.
Does anyone know if the wired version can operate on backup battery when the main power goes out? Sorry I couldn't find any details on this.
Yes it can/does.
Yes it does have a battery backup for when the power goes out.
Yes, per the tech specs:
Power: Mains Connected: 240 V Connector, Three long-life AA Energizer Ultimate Lithium backup batteries
Thanks. I am blind.
Do you need an electrician to install the mains powered version?
Yep. The Protect Wired comes with a 240v connector that you'll need a sparky to wire into your mains for you.
I’m confused with all of these smart products! Do the Nest ones require a hub?
They don't require a hub.
Do you need an app and enable push notification to receive alerts?
Yes
The Nest app is required. You don't need to create a new Nest account if you already have a google/google home account.
Thanks! Bought 3x wired ones to replace my 10 year old smoke alarms. Wanted something like this (with carbon dioxide monitoring) and path lighting :)
The battery ones are $90 on clearance at Kmart if anyone is interested. There was only a few left in Redbank which is why I didn't post it the other day
Nice someone on the thread found a decent price .
Agreed. I think this is a good product, and you can’t put a price on safety, but still think these are overpriced at present.
Hmmm might have to hit up Deadbank.
They are actually scanning at $60 in K-Mart.
Didn't know kmart sold these? Any in Sydney?
Yes they are on clearance there, dont know if they are getting new stock or dropping that line. There's been a lot of complaints about these detectors since Google pulled the rug from their Works with Nest program.
@LowRange: Plus vote for you mate, picked up the last 2 at my local kmart! Will make a good Christmas present for my dad!
They're on clearance in QLD because they're not compliant in QLD from 2022 for rentals and 2027 for owners who want to sell (or immediately if renovating / building).
Why are they not compliant?
The main reason the battery ones are not compliant is that they don't have non-removable 10 year batteries as required under the legislation. (Basically designed to stop people from removing the batteries and making it look like there's a working alarm, and sensors themselves need to be replaced after 10 years to be in spec also, hence the 10 year part).
I'm not 100% if the wired ones are either as there is also a requirement for them to have backup batteries that last a particular length of time also.
Ticket clearance price shows as $129 in Toowoomba. Didn't scan one though
Noob question - for those buying multiple wired ones, do they all need to be wired with each other? I guess the idea is that if one alarm goes off, it sets all the others off as well, isn’t it?
And wouldn’t it just be simpler to use the wireless ones for that purpose instead (assuming it’ll be easier to connect wirelessly)?
Can the experts pls share some insights? Thanks in advance!
https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9232615?hl=en
They don't use a wire to interconnect, they do it wirelessly.
Wired in this case means it connects to 240V mains power, with the battery just being backup. The "battery" version doesn't connect to mains power and runs off battery only:)
Aha, that makes so much more sense now! :)
So, if I don’t already have wired smoke alarms (which can be replaced with the wired ones here), I’m better off taking the battery operated ones only, correct?
Wait, so the wired ones can still be used on battery alone? Wouldn't it be a no-brainer to just get the wired one, even just for battery use then?
3 batteries in the wired vs 6 batteries in the battery version.
There may be other factors too.. I don't think you want to rely on just the batteries for a long time in the Wired version, just buy the Battery version if that's your use case.
Nope. The mains ones are designed for mains use, they have a smaller battery capacity in them that is only intended for short time use ie blackouts or emergencies like power failure because your house is on fire.
Google Nest Protects have to be replaced after 10 years, while first generation Nest Protects have to be replaced after 7 years.
https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9249296?hl=en
Major pain in the ass if you have to replace these every 7-10 years. It's basically a throwaway device (like those 10 year battery smoke alarms)
I own a Nest Protect, and they are really good but they're about 3-4x more expensive than the typical 10yr smoke alarm. The only reason why I use them is due to the notification feature which notifies you in real time if the smoke alarm goes off. I have also used the Xiaomi branded ones which are $20 each and do the same thing. The only major difference between them is that Nest has approval for Australian market.
I was really keen on the Xiaomi ones but fearful that insurance won't cover it in event of a claim because they are not officially compliant in Australia….
Why would you be liable though? Properties can be insured without ever installing a single smoke alarm.
All new properties built now require at least one smoke alarm on the top and bottom floor. So perhaps cheap way is to install an approved smoke alarm on each floor and then add the non-approved ones to other rooms you want monitored.
Most insurance companies will just ask if you have smoke alarms installed at the premises. They don't ask "Do you have smoke alarms installed in every single room of your property". Doing this means you're fully compliant since you have installed the minimal requirements they've asked for. Any additional smoke alarm is just 'extra protection/peace of mind' (my 2c)
There are policies with a "No Smoke Alarm, no cover clause", you should check the fine print.
Smoke alarms are compulsory by law and must bear the "Australian Standard 5 tick certification".
So yes, you could getaway with no smoke alarms or a non compliant one - but is it worth the risk for minimal cost? It's the equivalent of riding the train without a ticket. You'll get away with it 99% of the time and a personal decision to take the risk of perceived cost vs benefit.
My 2c :o)
Yeah I have a xiaomi one which is only for alerting me when I'm out. This is in addition to the other approved smoke detectors in the house.
Wouldn't the difference be that these hopefully pass the new Australian laws of the smoke detectors being networked and wired? You have to replace those after 10 years anyway.
Xiaomi don't have CO detection, humidity false positive correction, nor do they run self tests. Those are pretty big features if you require them.
Why would I buy this if I already have a hard wired detector?
You wouldn't, unless you're looking for those extra features.
Also keep in mind they need to be replaced every 10 years.
I prefer smoke detectors that are not feeding data to the worlds largest data collector so that the owner of the device loses money without knowing.
You'd think that this would be cheaper given the financial and privacy risks but people are rubes that believe advertising and data collection either don't work or even more irrationally they think it works on everyone except themselves.
I agree, the risk is reallll. If the data collector see that your smoke alarm hasn't set off for a couple years then they will come around and do something to set it off for you. real risk.
They could sell that information to insurance who now know you have a quality smoke alarm and might give you a discount against your will.
(While I think we are having our privacy rights violated, constantly. I'm not going to be paranoid about someone knowing I have a smoke alarm).
More people for Sundar Pichai to listen to fapping
This seller has it even cheaper here $110:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Google-S3000BWAU-Nest-Protec…
Thanks for the tip here, I grabbed 2 of them at $60 each on clearance at my local Kmart. I am cancelling my C&C order :D
Would you please provide a photo of your receipt?
Rang some of the local ones and I they can't seem to find any. They didn't even know they existed. Are they with the cheap smoke alarm or somewhere else?
Price eat at Officeworks seems like the only hope for me but they will want proof.
At my K-Mart they are with the Mirabella globes, D-Link cameras, strip lights etc
Still no luck. I went up to check after a different store said my local had 12 in stock. They couldn't find any trace of them, the staff member couldn't even work out how to find them in the system.
Ah well, that's life.
Kmart has Nest?
Yes $60
Thanks! Purchased one (battery) in Kmart Belmont WA.
Did they have any stock left ?
Battery version only?
Correct. Although not listed on their website. Same version.
Are these definitely gen2?
At Good Guys? YES.
At KMart? No idea.
Yes definitely gen 2 @ kmart. AFAIK only battery versions though.
How do you know it’s gen 1 or 2?
@ca6leguy: Gen 2 has rounded edges and the newer split spectrum sensor which is indicated on the box
Yes it is gen 2. It's the same model number as the one they sell everywhere else.
Worth noting that these are definitely not compliant with the upcoming rule changes in QLD which you will need to meet to sell your house post 2027 and post 2022 if you want to rent it out, or immediately in a new build / substantial renovation.
https://www.qfes.qld.gov.au/community-safety/smokealarms/Pag…
None left at Kmart anywhere in Victoria…
Kmart Southland had none - they said they've never sold this product there :S
Interesting, I didn't know about the new rules. That's a lot more smoke alarms for people right? Correct me if I'm wrong, generally you could have a smoke alarm outside bedrooms and that was sufficient to cover multiple rooms but in the future they need to be in every bedroom too?
Yeah, it's a little silly, I have 3 within 1m of each other because of the rules. But they're interconnected too (another requirement) so they will all go off at once.
What makes them not compliant? The rules page says they should be photoelectric - which the Nest Protect are.
No reason why the wired ones should be non compliant although the battery ones would fall foul as it has replaceable non 10 year batteries. What gets me is that in such a small country (population wise) we have all these state governments making their own rules up. No wonder everything costs more for us.
The battery ones need a 10 year non-removable battery. These ones have removable batteries and which are at most rated for 5 years.
Not sure about the wired ones, they'll need to be interconnected with all the others in your house and have a rechargeable 72 hour battery or a 6 month non-rechargeable battery. I'm not 100% sure if their interconnect feature is compliant either, could be, might not be based on what I have been told is written on the box.
I don't think these requirements exist outside QLD, but there's been a few pretty bad house fires here that caused these updates.
Thanks, been waiting for this again.