Should Xbox Games Pass Adding Games Be Allowed as Deals?

jimbobaus on 04/01/2020 - 13:03
Last edited 14/02/2020 - 14:39 by 2 other users

So this was briefly discussed in the 2019 site suggestions thread

today a game was added and it has created a lot of heated debate on the actual post.
At the suggestion of Neil i have created a thread for all to discuss this

My Thoughts:
XGP adding games is no different from Spotify adding an album or Netflix adding a series or movie
You pay the subscription and if some thing is added its not a deal
if you can get the subscription cheap, now that's a deal

Lets try and play nice in this forum
everyone's opinion matters even if it does not match your own

Mod

  • Users who wish to block "Additions to Subscription Services" can do so by adding SUBS to their front page customisation.
  • Moderators & Power Users will add [SUBS] to any deals that fall under additions to Subscription Services.
  • Xbox Game Pass, Netflix, Hulu, Disney Plus are considered additions to subscription services. Playstation Plus and Games with Gold are not considered additions to subscription services as you need to claim/"buy them". We will tag any other services that may fall under these deals.
  • A reminder of how to block these kind of deals will be added to deals for a short term period, just as we do with targeted offers.
  • In the near future, the filter will apply to the new deals page along with the current front page. Filter now works with new deals page. My Account - Edit - Deals

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  • 230
    YES
  • 368
    NO
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      • smartazz104 on 04/01/2020 - 22:42
        +1

        Accidental Godwin’s Law right here…

        • consume on 05/01/2020 - 01:38

          Haha love it

  • Skramit on 04/01/2020 - 17:30
    +3

    No. I think they are all just “look at me” type deals. A deal every time something is added is silly IMO. We have other types of deals removed for less.

    I would prefer a single forum post that people can contribute to. One for each subscription service. That way all the info about new content on a particular service is in one thread.

  • Laurana on 04/01/2020 - 18:27
    +9

    I'm a fairly new user here; one who has not really posted any deals. So I'm not sure how much my opinion is worth, but to give a newb's perspective…

    We all love a good bargain, and if someone posts to say that a very popular game that is selling for $50 is now available via only paying a $5 subscription*. Then of course that will be of interest to the people wanting that game and they might consider that a deal. This is understandable.

    However, to me, the difference is that you do not own these games. If it was a "pay $5, own GTA* and cancel" then yes it would be a deal. But as it stands, it is only a subscription service, akin to Netflix, Foxtel and Disney +. At most, I think a monthly post covering all the games (perhaps titled with the most popular games added) would be fair.

    I (and I'm sure many others) like some PSA announcement posts (which usually get at least 1 "this is a PSA not a deal" neg) and wouldn't mind if there was a thread specifically for these. Since I also don't find those to be deals. Their own forum posts (nearly daily these days in the case of the XBOX games) though, is a bit too much.

    So no, I do not think it is a deal and voted accordingly.

    To those voting yes, quick question… can you please answer how those are different to Netflix and Foxtel and if you want to see Netflix and Foxtel posts?

    *I obviously made up these numbers and game title, because I don't know anything about XBOX games.

    • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 19:26
      +2

      'I'm a fairly new user here; one who has not really posted any deals. So I'm not sure how much my opinion is worth'

      The SAME as EVERYONE ELSE.

  • Japius on 04/01/2020 - 19:19
    +2

    Why not have a forum post that updates the current titles, people can just check the forum each month. I’m glad it’s been added to game pass but I don’t see it as a deal, and it really is the same as the Netflix deal before this that was removed IMO.

    • pernunz on 04/01/2020 - 19:53
      +5

      Is Ozbargain an appropriate place for a repository of content on all the streaming services available?

      Netflix
      Stan
      Disney+
      Apple TV+
      Foxtel
      Hayu
      Amazon Prime Video
      Fetch
      YouTube Premium
      ABC iView
      SBS on Demand
      Tenplay
      9Now
      7plus
      Kayo

      15 Streaming services, who would be responsible for updating the forum posts to show what is available where and when?

      There's a website for this: https://www.justwatch.com/

      • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 20:01

        And funnily enough there's websites that cater for the game services too….

        This site can go back to what it actually should be. Not pretend it's more important than it is.

      • Japius on 05/01/2020 - 00:07
        +3

        Well the forums can be whatever they want, the main thing is keep the main page for actual bargains

  • guidedlight on 04/01/2020 - 19:25
    +2

    Subscription services aren’t going anywhere, so it might be worthwhile changing OzBargain so you can flag which services you subscribe to.

    Then the site will filter front page deals based on your subscription. Easy solution.

  • IceCreamBandit on 04/01/2020 - 19:52
    +5

    I guess something will be done now thanks to the deliberate 'vandalism' or 'contribution' by users who decide to post new movies from Netflix one by one onto Ozbargain as can be seen here

    In the initial Game Pass thread where calls for Game Pass deals to be posted in forums instead, moderators asked for the discussion regarding the issue here.

    Rather than taking part in the discussion constructively like most here have, some are choosing to make their point in a destructive manner that will force the mods to remove the deal and create more uproar, leading to more Netflix deals to be posted.

    Given the method those users have chosen to take, the aggressive minority will most likely succeed in their quest to move Game Pass (and likely PS+ games) to the forums. A place where not many people visit, given the lack of discussion taking place here compared to the outrage that was supposedly evident in the Game Pass deal post.

    I personally had no issue with the monthly posts of PS+ etc, but those who disagree or just don't care for gaming/had nothing else to do and just wanted to sh*t-stir couldn't just scroll past and move on with their day.

    Change is change, and if the game subscription updates get moved to one thread where people subscribe for updates for new comments then so be it.

    I do feel disappointed for the large number of users who did + vote that type of deal, as they will likely need to source an alternative method to get that same information now, whether it is through the forums or elsewhere. I would say the number of + votes should have some influence here, but it seems unlikely given what's happened.

    To those who took up digital pitchforks, I hope you all contribute to the community positively in some way, as it would be a great shame should the quality and quantity of deals and/or forum discussions here on OzBargain decline due to fear of being ridiculed online by those who don't share your opinion of what a bargain should be.

    Given how strongly some of you have argued for or acted to get your point across, it could be assumed that you were doing it for the best of the community, and your continued actions to support and develop the quality of deals would be appreciated.

    • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 21:51

      I would say the number of + votes should have some influence here, but it seems unlikely given what's happened.

      This poll doesn't lean one way heavily enough to base a ruling on.

      The pos votes on the gta5 deal reflect the general consensus. Over 200 pos there, 85 no's here, kinda tells ya something 😉

      • SlappersOnly on 04/01/2020 - 22:21
        +3

        Comparing deal votes is probably never gonna end in a good representation. There will be some bias towards the actual game. GTA was 200+, Halo Reach was only 66+, Untitled Goose Game was 167+, dishonored 2 and World War Z got 27+.

        • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 22:30
          +2

          There will be some bias towards the actual game.

          You mean people appreciative of finding out that game is on game pass…?

          You mean to say that they were happy that a big title like gta5 has been added to game pass and they were informed of it by a deal post…?

          Kinda proves my point huh

          • SlappersOnly on 04/01/2020 - 22:42
            +2

            @spackbace: It doesn’t. This poll has No winning. I obviously don’t believe that proves that the majority doesn’t want to stop the posts. Just like I don’t believe 200+ votes on GTA V means that more people want the posts.

            How many of the people that voted did so because they now plan to subscribe to game pass verses upvoting because they saw GTA? No clue. That’s why I don’t think basing your opinions on the highest vote wins between two seperate polls is the most accurate method.

            • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 22:47
              +1

              @SlappersOnly: Check why he up voted that deal…. He has no credibility here.

              • SlappersOnly on 04/01/2020 - 22:58
                +2

                @scuderiarmani: I can guess the reason. Pretty sure the first ever game pass closed beta deal was posted by Spackbace. Someone commented something about retail price of a new subscription isn’t a bargain to which Spackbace replied with a copy of their low deal post record and said they don’t know what a deal is.

                • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:00

                  @SlappersOnly: Lol, probably right….

                  But in his words. He up voted to trigger. Feel free to look at the post.

            • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 22:59
              +3

              @SlappersOnly: What your numbers show is that even for Xbox owners, if they weren't fussed by a post they just jogged on and scrolled past. Like me. I'll actually reinstall gta5 coz I barely played it, yet I'm not phased on some of the others you mentioned.

              Huge difference between not voting and just scrolling on, to feeling so outraged you need to comment and neg vote.

              • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:02

                @spackbace: I'm a long time Xbox Owner. I don't care what platform it was, I enjoy all systems.

                Doesn't escape the fact I don't think it warrants a deal.

              • SlappersOnly on 04/01/2020 - 23:03

                @spackbace: I wasn’t talking about negging the deal. I’m not even 100% sure if I’ve ever negged a post before. I was talking about you comparing a seperate poll to this poll.

                • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 23:08
                  +3

                  @SlappersOnly:

                  I was talking about you comparing a seperate poll to this poll.

                  Many members don't come by these forums, it's the reason many polls don't get significantly high numbers. The best reflection is the pos votes on that and the neg votes here, to benefit both sides.

                  And even then, there's no clear winner so best call would be to leave it as is and revisit again in the future.

                  After all, apparently mindsets change - just look at scuderiarmani for instance. 1 minute you're posting posts for free games on Xbox Live Gold, the next minute you're bashing a similar post for game pass.

                  • SlappersOnly on 04/01/2020 - 23:11
                    +1

                    @spackbace:

                    And even then, there's no clear winner

                    That’s what I said

                    Comparing deal votes is probably never gonna end in a good representation

                    This poll has No winning. I obviously don’t believe that proves that the majority doesn’t want to stop the posts. Just like I don’t believe 200+ votes on GTA V means that more people want the posts.

                  • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:11

                    @spackbace: 1 minute, or 4 years.

                    Geez you make up some serious bullshit.

                    • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 23:12
                      +1

                      @scuderiarmani:

                      1 minute you're posting posts for free games on Xbox Live Gold, the next minute

                      It's a turn of phrase but well done

                      • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:19
                        +1

                        @spackbace: Nah, it's a typical over reaction from you to make your point look better.

                        • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 23:19
                          +1

                          @scuderiarmani: 😂 No, it's a turn of phrase. Are you done overreacting?

                          • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:21
                            +1

                            @spackbace: Up voted to trigger.

                            Yet denies he was trolling.

                            Zero credibility.

                            • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 23:21

                              @scuderiarmani:

                              Are you done overreacting?

                              So… That's a no?

                              OK you enjoy that. Have a good night!

                              • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:23
                                +1

                                @spackbace: Keep up your trolling.

                                • Moderatorneil on 04/01/2020 - 23:30

                                  @scuderiarmani: Spackbace, scuderiarmani Alright, let's keep this civil.

                                  Apologies if you've answered this before but what made you change your mind from being pro having these posted as deals to anti?

                                  • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:35
                                    +3

                                    @neil: Consistency.

                                    As mentioned above, games with gold requires you to actually make the purchase. It'll stay in your library as long as you are a gold member. Game pass are no different to Netflix and can be taken away without any warning.

                                    I also don't feel the need to spam this site with gaming announcements just to hoards easy up votes, I'd rather post and respond to deals that actually add value.

                                    I don't come here for gaming news. If I want the news I'll go to the source.

                                  • Japius on 05/01/2020 - 00:14
                                    +4

                                    @neil: Have to say I agree with scuderiarmani the gold or ps+ deals are actual titles you go and buy in a certain timeframe or you miss out, and they’re not taken away unless you stop using the service. Whereas the game pass titles are just like streaming content which you can pick and choose from but don’t get to keep if they deem it time to remove it from the service. I upvote the gold and ps+ deals and usually set a reminder for them to remind me when to go “buy” the titles. Game pass is just oh look new content this month. I’m sure some find it useful hence why I think a forum post would be more appropriate as it really isn’t a bargain

                                    • netsurfer on 05/01/2020 - 11:00

                                      @Japius: The issue with that argument is that there are also people who feel those PS Plus, XBL Gold deals shouldn't be allowed because they are not free (subscription is not free). It is also possible to twist things in GamePass' favor. Most games stay in GamePass for a while so you can have 2-3 months time to wait for a good GamePass deal.

                                      Another question is that are most people object to these posts really objecting to them 100% or they are mainly unhappy with the voting results (as these posts usually gathered far too many positive votes)? Also, do you actually factor in the game(s) when deciding to start objecting these? If you own or played the games offered, it is hard to get excited about the offering.

                                      And, let's try to think of reasons why someone posted these deals could argue for them. As GamePass Ultimate is $1/month or $1/month for 3 months right now, $1 or $0.33 to be able to play <insert a new game added here> is a bargain. Or, on average, an OZBer pays $3.8 to $5 for PS Plus per month, then being able to play <insert the game here> even just for a month is a bargain. Need an argument against that too.

                                      While I think these PS+/XBLG/GP new game posts are starting to become getting free + votes deals, I just haven't found or seen a truly objective argument to completely knock them out.

                                      • SlappersOnly on 05/01/2020 - 13:07

                                        @netsurfer: I’m more unhappy with the structure of OzBargains more than anything. I just wish there was better ways to filter out stuff and possibly an in between section for PSAs that aren’t deals but feel like a forum topic.

                                        • netsurfer on 05/01/2020 - 13:32

                                          @SlappersOnly: That makes sense. So, a new feature which allows us to filter some deals would be great.

                                      • Japius on 05/01/2020 - 18:56
                                        +1

                                        @netsurfer: I’m fine to remove all of them, the others IMO are a deal because you keep the product whereas this one you do not even if you keep the subscription so it is just a streaming item. But like I said why not move them all to a forum post not like we (subscribers) don’t already get the emails about the new releases anyway or let them stay but it should also apply to Netflix etc too for consistency.

                                        And no I don’t pay attention to the votes since even bad deals with the right words get massive upvotes it’s almost automatic as it takes no extra effort like a negative vote does so personally I don’t give much thought to a deals positive votes I’m sure if positive votes also required comments you’d see a huge drop in the positive votes too.

                                        So move it to the forums or let’s have new streaming content is considered a “deal”….personally I don’t see new streaming items in a library as a deal

      • Skramit on 05/01/2020 - 12:39
        +1

        Lots of neg's got nuked tho.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 09:07

      So if you read the title, this is about Xbox GamePass, not PS+

      Apart from being different consoles, they're different products. Gamepass is exactly like Netflix, you subscribe, you get free content, it changes monthly. Once a title leaves you can't use it.

      Xbox Gold Live & PS+, you need to claim your free title within a certain timeframe and you get to keep it.

      Personally I don't think either belongs in the deal page. But especially Gamepass. Since it's exactly like Netflix. Do you really want the pages clogged up with announcements?

      If you start a new forum thread "PS+", "Xbox Gold Live", "Xbox GamePass" then subscribe to it. You'll get alerts when a new comment is posted - just like people do on the 7-11 fuel thread.

      Simple!

      • IceCreamBandit on 05/01/2020 - 09:14

        Do you really want the pages clogged up with announcements?

        Not about me. It's about the community. Look at the votes. It is not 'clogging' if it is appreciated.

        just like people do on the 7-11 fuel thread.

        And exceptions get made for particularly good prices to be posted as deals. I'd say GTA V, one of the top selling entertainment products (including movie box office sales) of recent times, warrants that same exception.

        • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 09:21

          How do you even equate the two?
          Fuel bargain is available to anyone for free, if they know how to install a few apps on android OS. GTA is just a new title to an existing subscription.

          Now get back to your PS+ subs

          • IceCreamBandit on 05/01/2020 - 09:30

            @[Deactivated]:

            How do you even equate the two?

            I didn't bring up 7/11 first. The deal threads for 7/11 fuel often get the same 'should be in forums' treatment so I thought it was a relevant comparison.

            Fuel bargain is available to anyone for free

            Some could argue it isn't for free. You need to pay for a vehicle to use fuel and some of these vehicles require a subscription (rego) for its continued use.

            We could ban fuel posts too if you like.

            Now get back to your PS+ subs

            But bruddddda, I thought you were enjoying this discussion as you keep finding my comments to reply to. If someone has a different opinion, do they just need to leave to make you happy?

            • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 09:39

              @IceCreamBandit: Oh i di, i was winding you up, because you have a PS+ sub and apparently not a Xbox GP sub (like me).

              As for the fuel, but the 7-11 thing

              Some could argue it isn't for free. You need to pay for a vehicle to use fuel and some of these vehicles require a subscription (rego) for its continued use

              Not true, you don't need a car to obtain the deal. I don't own a car, but I use it.
              Also I've only seen people complain about the 7-11 deal if
              1) its just the regular price cycle. Not a postable deal like 98 for the price of 91.
              2) deal is posted without giving credit to the relevant website/original poster in the thread

              So again not an apt comparison, so again get back and enjoy your PS+ subs

              • IceCreamBandit on 05/01/2020 - 09:43

                @[Deactivated]:

                Oh i di, i was winding you up, because you have a PS+ sub and apparently not a Xbox GP sub (like me).

                But I do?

                Not true, you don't need a car to obtain the deal. I don't own a car, but I use it.

                I didn't say car. I said vehicle. I could clarify that there are other uses for fuel that don't require a vehicle, but that is overwhelmingly what fuel is used for. That's why I said that some could argue it isn't for free.

                so again get back and enjoy your PS+ subs

                Again brudddda, someone who has a different opinion to you needs to be kept quiet? Not happening brudddda.

                But hey, we keep talking about fuel and we'll probably get in trouble for going off topic here. So let's both play some Xbox :)

          • Clear on 05/01/2020 - 17:39

            @[Deactivated]:

            Fuel bargain is available to anyone for free

            Not true. There are none in my state so how do I take advantage of it? I ignore the deal because it doesn't apply to me. Negative vote is unreasonable.

      • netsurfer on 05/01/2020 - 11:12

        People argument for PS Plus or Game with Gold deals have not addressed the main complaints some OZBers have on PS Plus or Game with Gold deal posts:

        • Those titles are only playable when you have an active subscription.
        • Quality of those games are on average getting worse.

        The down side with PS Plus or Game with Gold is that it is easy to get addicted to renew it/them due partially wanting to keep having the ability to play previously collected games. However, if you have an active PS Plus and/or XBLG/GPUltimate, are you really making fully objective arguments?

        The actual issue with GamePass and GamePass Ultimate is that Microsoft is offering $1/month or $1 for 3 months right now, which completely changed most people's perception of GamePass (at least in the short term). Because of that, you put any above average new game in a post, it will get lots of + votes. If people have to pay $15.95 per month, then it will be a different story.

  • silverx on 04/01/2020 - 20:30
    +1

    I really don't see what the big deal is. May I know what the issue really is about the GTA v post?

    Was it because you are monitoring the forum posts and upset it wasn't shown there? Or was it because you have to scroll past the GTA v post on the front page?

    Or was it because the title was misleading and you click through the deal to find out you have been misled?

    • IceCreamBandit on 04/01/2020 - 20:34
      +2

      The TLDR is that GTAV is now free as part of the Xbox Game Pass (subscription service) and people didn't see it as a bargain because you need to pay for the initial subscription.

      One point people have made is that people don't post every time a movie is made available on Netflix, so why should this be different.

      Being the internet, people got angry and here we are.

    • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 20:36
      +3

      People, including myself, would just like consistency.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 09:11
        +1

        Exactly! Also we come here for bargains, not remainders to check what's new in our subscriptions.

      • netsurfer on 05/01/2020 - 11:42

        So what is your position on Game with Gold and PS Plus deals? They should be allowed or they should go to forum? It's interesting to see some people okay with PS+/GWG game posts are strongly against GP game posts.
        The main argument used by them doesn't address the main objection why some OZBers felt PS Plus and Game with Gold deals are deceiving (and should go to forum):

        You need an active subscription to play those games so you don't truly own those games. In fact, if you looked at it in a pure bargain sense, are people really better off with PS Plus/XBLG (GWG) games?

        The main reason, as I posted in my earlier comment is that GamePass (GamePass Ultimate to be exact) is $1 for 3 months at the moment. You post any decent game on OZB, it will gathered + votes. Until people have to pay $15.95/month for it, it will be like that.

        I don't think Mods will move them to forum, simply because some OZBers consistently want to be reminded about these.

        • scuderiarmani on 05/01/2020 - 11:59

          The need to purchase plus and GWG games is a big difference.

          I'm OK with them, but tbh I don't care if they disappear too.

          Otherwise how is Games Pass any different to Netflix or Spotify etc etc….

          • netsurfer on 05/01/2020 - 13:47

            @scuderiarmani:

            The need to purchase plus and GWG games is a big difference.

            The issue is that type of comments assume people will continue to have PS Plus and GWG subscription no matter what. Reality is that even if you 'purchased' those, they are restricted purchases. The worst case scenario is you decided not to renew, then the final month's "free to purchase" games give you at best 31 days worth of play time (and lose access to all the games collected so far until the next renewal).

            And, realistically, how hard is it to setup a monthly reminder on your smartphone? Nowdays, these PS Plus and GWG posts are basically who gets to find out about next month's "free" games first.

            All these "GP ones should go, but XBLG and PS Plus can stay" suggestions are just as biased and inconsistent. You want them gone, then they should all go.

            • scuderiarmani on 05/01/2020 - 14:00
              +1

              @netsurfer: They will still always be yours if you resubscribe.

              GTAV will get removed from Games Pass, like Disney content on Netflix etc etc.

              I agree I'd rather all go, but there's a distinct difference.

  • R-Man on 04/01/2020 - 21:30
    +2

    I find ozbargain posts for PS+ very useful.

    PlayStation Plus monthly games need to be claimed within certain dates so seeing an ozb post heading is a clear and easy reminder, and furthermore the discussion in the comments is useful to hear about the games.

    This is not comparable "new movie on Netflix" ozb posts because there's no deadline to "claim" a new Netflix movie like there is PS+ games.

    • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2020 - 21:36

      No it is sort of comparable. Because Netflix shows/movies also meed to be watched by a certain date or they disappear.

      You know when these games come out, so set a calendar reminder to check every month. Why spam the rest of us because people are too lazy to check monthly what their entitlements are?

      But back on topic, the Xbox Gamepass not a deal posts are exactly like Netflix because people are posting new titles being added to the library. Its a game subscription service, directly equivalent to Netflix, because you download a game, but when it leaves the Gamepass library, you can't play it any more.

      • R-Man on 04/01/2020 - 21:45

        Lol I think this is a very small matter to call someone lazy about. The games are not announced on the same day each month.

        I think it would be good if it was in a PSA section rather than deals.

        • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2020 - 21:59
          +1

          There is a whole forum dedicated to Gaming!!!!

          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/forum/40715

          Start a thread in there for PS+ releases!
          Same with Xbox.

          The games are not announced on the same day each month.

          Ive never owned a PS, but a quick search shows the games are released in the first few days of every month (or even earlier) and you appear to have the month to claim them.

        • SlappersOnly on 04/01/2020 - 22:13

          The main reason I think GWG and PS+ work as a posted deal is how it sometimes adds extra details and help users when there are game substitutes for countries that ban one of the monthly games.

  • Wallyt99 on 04/01/2020 - 22:49
    +1

    I was one of the early neg voters that may have been partly responsible for this. I also posted a Netflix deal by way of example.

    I found the Witcher and GTAV posts moderately useful (but let's face it they were 2 of the games of the decade).

    I still believe its in the long term interests of the site not to allow these posts or only allow them by exception (e.g a AAA game or Movie being released.) Or allowing one monthly platform post on the main page. The reason for that is the sheer number of these platforms and updates will result in the site no longer delivering on its actual purpose.

  • Moderatorneil on 04/01/2020 - 23:06

    Just to put it into perspective, the argument with the No is well what if Netflix, Disney, Spotify etc. service adds a new movie/tv show. That's a good point however there is an option to have the guidelines say NO additions to any of those services but yes to Xbox Game Pass and/or other game subscriptions. Just putting a middle ground option out there.

    • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:27
      +7

      Why are you continuously insisting on differentiating games with other media content? You are going in here with an agenda.

      If it's value, movies and albums often cost more than games anyway, countless games on these services can be bought for less than a cup of coffee….

      If you are OK with games being posted you need to explain to us why they are different.

      Otherwise NONE of these should be posted.

      • Moderatorneil on 04/01/2020 - 23:34

        No agenda. Only trying to make the majority of users in the community happy. Obviously whatever decision is going to upset some people. I'm suggesting some middle ground so both sides of this issue can be happy. We have guidelines set for different stores and different types of stores so there doesn't necessarily need to be a blanket ban or acceptance.

        • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:39
          +4

          While your at it, try make this site appeal to this other big demographic…. Commonly called females.

          I'm sick to death of recommending my female family and friends to the site only to repeatedly read childish posts regarding women's wear or women's products.

          I can't fathom how in 2020 someone can post a deal relating to a size 16 women's outfit and get fat shamed comments.

          About time this site realises it's not just men on the internet.

          • Moderatorneil on 04/01/2020 - 23:46

            @scuderiarmani: Please use the report link if you see any comments like that. We do try to ensure people act respectfully but with 100,000+ a month we may not be aware of some troublesome comments. Cheers.

            • scuderiarmani on 04/01/2020 - 23:52
              +2

              @neil: You can rinse and repeat for every female related deal. It very much looks like we've scared them off posting deals here.

              If I had a dollar for every disgusting comment I've read in a female underwear post…

              I've got wife, friends, sisters, mother, etc etc who I send links to all the time. They don't need to read BS like that.

              • SlappersOnly on 05/01/2020 - 00:26

                @scuderiarmani: I’ll admit to making a joke on female deals. I did make a off topic comment on a deal about claiming free pads for women’s day, asking if guys can claim as well so they can dress up as robots.

                • scuderiarmani on 05/01/2020 - 10:06

                  @SlappersOnly: I get the jokes like that, that's all fun and games, but some are really over the top, anything to do with weight, bra sizing etc etc is just beyond disgusting. More females going around, stereo typically they'd be the ones to shop more too, yet here a site all about shopping acts like it's in the 1920s.

    • IceCreamBandit on 04/01/2020 - 23:31
      +4

      Have a suggestion but not sure how practical/easy it is to implement.

      In our settings (user > edit > deals) we can toggle whether we see NSFW or Targeted deals.

      Is it possible to add two more toggles to filter out deals? My example would be

      Subscription - TV / Movies
      Subscription - Video Games

      That way, updates for PS+/Game Pass/other emerging service can still be posted? I believe there can be value in these posts as new games being released may influence someone to sign up to the service etc.

      And those who wish to post every Netflix update can do so as well.

      The deal posting page will need some place to click the 'subscription' tag for the post filtering to work.

      Those who feel spammed by either can simply make the adjustments to their own settings.

    • silverx on 05/01/2020 - 00:24
      -1

      I think it's pretty hard to find middle ground with activists on either side

      If we are truly community based, let the community decide on the deal. If someone posted GTA v game and has 200+ upvotes it shows that quite a lot of people think it was a good deal and I honestly think that deserved to be respected

      If 400 people voted negatively on that deal then we also have to respect that. That shows the community doesn't want those kind of deals

      Just have to learn to live and let live

      • [Deactivated] on 05/01/2020 - 11:34
        +2

        No, because negative votes on deals are restricted to certain conditions whereas positives are a free-for-all.

        This poll is by far a fairer method of "letting the community decide".

  • [Deactivated] on 04/01/2020 - 23:43
    +1

    Tbh, I don't care either way.

    • rlay3 on 05/01/2020 - 04:04
      +4

      I'm in this boat. I had to scroll past a lot of arguments but I found @IceCreamBandit's suggestion to add filters is by far the best and should make everyone happy.

  • spackbace on 04/01/2020 - 23:45

    And to further not provide a definitive answer, the deal @ HUKD went crazy, but seems like Slickdeals missed any attention

    And yes I know we're a different entity, just sometimes good to compare to comparable sites. In this case it's inconclusive 😂

    • SlappersOnly on 05/01/2020 - 18:46

      So if I’m reading that right, HUKD got 10 times the up votes compared to an actual $1 for 3 months of game pass deal posted a month ago while the Slickdeals post got 0 votes?

      • spackbace on 05/01/2020 - 18:53

        Looks like it, and on HUKD The Witcher 3 post was popular too. That same post here attracted only 9 negs (a couple more revoked), and of those, some of them say GWG posts are fine but Game Pass ones aren't, yet here we are battling for a yes or no blanket ban.

        Not sure why some get triggered here.

        • SlappersOnly on 05/01/2020 - 19:15

          As in you don’t know why? You can always read the ton of responses on this forum that explains their position.

          Or you mean you don’t understand their mindset? It’s probably the same reason as to why I don’t understand your need to call people sheep or triggered. Everyone is different.

          Edit: also I didn’t think this is about a blanket ban was it? The title and poll is only talking about catalogue subscription services. Honestly the poll only mentions game pass if we are getting specific.

  • mambods on 05/01/2020 - 08:31
    +6

    my vote is if content is merely added to an existing subscription without needing user action, it's not a deal post.

    however, if it requires a user to opt in, or actioning in order to get content otherwise not accessible, it is fair to post as a 'deal'.

  • mackaxx on 05/01/2020 - 09:09

    Can’t we just title these as free (for game pass holders)/$10.95 (cost of one month of game pass Membership)/$1 (new subscribers).

    All three are good deals. The no deal argument is wrong for each and every one of them.

    If someone uploads a deal for a game you can get cheaper in other ways it will get no votes, and likely in the comments serve to show how to get the alternate deal. In most instances paying the one off membership will be a very cheap way to acquire the game for a significant amount of time.

    • wendellX on 05/01/2020 - 15:19

      People still buy DVDs and Blu-rays, so we should be able to post "Thousands of free movies @ Netflix (after paying monthly subscription 9.99)" because it's a very cheap way to acquire the movies for a significant amount of time.

  • dvsbastard on 05/01/2020 - 09:15
    +5

    Personally I have always been fine with the PSN+ and XBox Gold deals because of the limited nature of them, i.e the games must be redeemed within a limited time otherwise you do not get them with the subscription.

    Adding media to a subscription service doesn't count as it's inclusion is indefinite (so that's just the new norm for the service).

    I personally would not be opposed to a posting about the addition of a new Netflix movie if it was only going to be available for a week.

    • netsurfer on 05/01/2020 - 11:52

      But the argument against that is equally effective.

      You have limited time to play some GamePass games so you need to download the better quality games and play them right away. PSN+/XBLG games can only be played with active subscription and unless you really are willing to skip a few months to wait for a good deal, you need to shop around for a new deal from time to time. If you go for long term subscription, then you are bound to collect quite a lot of average or subpar games.

      The most annoying thing about GamePass games is that you cannot find the date third party titles will leave GamePass easily. For example, Fallout 4 was in GamePass for limited month. I started playing it and stopped. When I decided to play it again 3 months later, it was removed. I think it is back in GamePass now.

      If you want these new game posts to go to forum, you really need to be consistent. Either they all go or all stay. This PS+ and XBLG are okay, but GP is super big no no doesn't seem fair either.

      • dvsbastard on 05/01/2020 - 17:53

        Just as my Netflix example, if you knew a game on Gamepass was only playable for a specific limited time, then I personally probably wouldn't mind - take the recent GTAV deal, how long will that be available for? Do I need to take any action to ensure I don't miss this deal?

        That said, I even though I think PSN+ / Gold are OK compared to Gamepass / Netflix, etc, I would understand if they were also removed.

  • luffyex2010 on 05/01/2020 - 09:56

    How about everybody adopt a koala, kangaroo or wombat. They are getting burnt

    luffyex2010 on 05/01/2020 - 09:56 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • Ninternet on 05/01/2020 - 11:54
      +1

      Yeah but what about the homeless people that are dying of starvation in your local town/city?

      • scuderiarmani on 05/01/2020 - 12:02

        Their not furry. Doesn't suit.

        Last time I checked we need to cull Kangaroos and Koalas (on KI anyway).

        • Ninternet on 05/01/2020 - 13:26

          I'm not pro culling. Just saying it was irrelevant to post in a conversation that was unlreated (despite being clearly less relevant in the grand scheme of things)

  • peterross on 05/01/2020 - 10:23
    +2

    Nos are kicking ass! Keep going

  • Skramit on 05/01/2020 - 12:34

    I mean Spack's PPSR "deal" got a billion upvotes even though it's the standard price. It should have just been a forum post. So IMO it comes down to popularity of the "deal" whether it gets nuked or not. It's highly subjective and every mod acts differently. Some of these very loose "deals' like the xbox game one deal or PPSR deal get through no worries, plenty of leeway for some things/posters.

    Then on the other hand, sometimes the rules are followed to the letter, or over officiously IMO, by some mods and genuine deals get nuked because it's simply not as popular or "not enough details" and other crappy reasons when poster is genuinely trying to make the community aware of a deal. Have seen plenty of "deal is not active yet" or nukes for upcoming cachbacks etc.

    Very inconsistent modding and I don't expect this to change in a hurry with all the different personalities and biases. shrug

    • Moderatorneil on 05/01/2020 - 13:02

      We strive to consistently follow the deal posting guidelines and commenting guidelines. I find your accusations incorrect and misconceived but perhaps we haven't communicated well enough why deals get removed. Happy to entertain any questions.

      I mean Spack's PPSR "deal" got a billion upvotes even though it's the standard price.

      And? Which deal posting guideline does it break?

      It should have just been a forum post

      In your opinion, but there is no guideline that states it should be in the forum or as a deal.

      So IMO it comes down to popularity of the "deal" whether it gets nuked or not.
      It's highly subjective and every mod acts differently.

      Incorrect. Deal posting guidelines.

      Then on the other hand, sometimes the rules are followed to the letter, or over officiously IMO, by some mods and genuine deals get nuked because it's simply not as popular or "not enough details" and other crappy reasons when poster is genuinely trying to make the community aware of a deal. Have seen plenty of "deal is not active yet" or nukes for upcoming cachbacks etc.

      Example? Deal not active is perhaps referring to Woolworths catalogues not being posted before Monday 5PM due to a legal threat.

      Very inconsistent modding and I don't expect this to change in a hurry with all the different personalities and biases. shrug

      We discuss any issues on a regular basis through our group chat and from my experience everyone moderates in a similar fashion. You may not believe that due to your history with this site but that's the truth.

      • Skramit on 05/01/2020 - 13:23
        -2

        And? Which deal posting guideline does it break?

        It's a government program, has been posted before (pretty sure, but perhaps it was in the forum) and is the standard regular every day price. There is no deal here. But somehow this passes the sniff test of a "deal" and gets a billion votes lol. I get that some deals are subjective and assessed accordingly but how this example gets through is beyond me. No offense to spackbace as its a good idea. But I can guaratnee if I post "$10 hot chickens" at woolies as a deal it gets nuked.

        Note: I am all for alerting people to the PPSR but how this is a "deal" and some others are not, I find totally bizarre, inconsistent.

        but perhaps we haven't communicated well enough why deals get removed.

        I think this is true. i also find the removal process very abrupt (personal opinion). Also as some general feedback, it's very deflating when you post what you think is a deal, then the next minute it's nuked with a little bot or mod message with a half sentence or autogenerated reason. I have had a couple of deals nuked in the past due to lack of detail or "future deal not active yet" but because it got nuked and I cant copy/paste it, I dont bother reposting it with more detail or later when it goes active.

        So…..I would suggest some sort of 'holding pattern flag' for some deals that are genuine with minor updates or delaying until active. So they can be reposted or edited accordingly without having to do it over again from scratch.

        Incorrect. Deal posting guidelines.

        Then i guess all I can give is feedback that as an averge user, there are frequent deals that i scratch my head why it's allowed or why it's nuked. I find it very inconsistent.

        Example? Deal not active

        E.G. There were some shopback or cashreward Black Friday 1 hour flash sales in Nov that should to be posted in advance so people dont miss them. But rules stipulate you cant post them until the hour ticks over. This insane rule should be reviewed. IMO the essence of the OzB website is to alert people to deals, but not allowing flash sales (which annoy me due to their flash nature) to be posted in advance unless all the details are known. e.g. "up to 30% cashback 7-8pm @ bonds" sort of thing.

        • Moderatorneil on 05/01/2020 - 14:05

          It's a government program,

          Our deal posting guidelines cover government programs:

          Government programs that are cost saving measures (e.g. free public transport) are permissible to be posted as deals. However income producing programs (e.g. increase to Centrelink payments) should not be posted.

          has been posted before (pretty sure, but perhaps it was in the forum)

          Duplicates (aka have been posted before) are covered in our duplicate guidelines:

          Don't post duplicates (deals that are already on the site). Please search OzBargain before posting.

          Exceptions:

          The original deal is older than one month, and was expired or sold out between then and now.
          The original deal is active but older than 6 months.
          The duplicate gains an excessive amount of positive votes (100+) and the original deal was posted and had become active more than 24 hours ago.
          The item is not in the title of the original deal and the duplicate deal is active or will be active on the day it is posted. Moderator discretion can apply.
          Note: If an expiry date is not set on a deal post, it will be automatically marked as expired after 45 days (90 days for freebies). It is the poster's responsibility to either set an expiry date, or report the deal to have it marked as 'long expiry' (never auto expire).

          These exceptions do not apply to long running deals where the referral system is the offer.

          As the posts were more than 6 months apart, the duplicate exception is enacted.

          There is no deal here.

          As per the voting guidelines, a no vote would be appropriate.

          But I can guaratnee if I post "$10 hot chickens" at woolies as a deal it gets nuked.

          $8 Coles Roast Chicken - $8 Woolworths Chicken - Free Hot Chickens?. I guess the argument you can make in a deal to convince the community is that it's a good deal is if both Coles and Woolies were selling $10 roast chickens but say all IGA's were selling them for $8 permanently then perhaps that is similar to PPSR.

          So…..I would suggest some sort of 'holding pattern flag' for some deals that are genuine with minor updates or delaying until active. So they can be reposted or edited accordingly without having to do it over again from scratch.

          Generally if you just contact a mod, via the report link or TWAM, we can republish. We received 6279 reports last month and removed 718 deals and forum posts so while we'd like to chat with everyone, we just link to the guideline for why it was removed.

          E.G. There were some shopback or cashreward Black Friday 1 hour flash sales in Nov that should to be posted in advance so people dont miss them. But rules stipulate you cant post them until the hour ticks over. This insane rule should be reviewed.

          There is no rule that states you can only post thing when an hour ticks over. Where a deal has insufficient details then a user should wait until details are known. We've had issues of this happening with eBay multiple times where people assume things and turns out the deal is incorrect.

          • Skramit on 05/01/2020 - 14:25
            -1

            @neil: Fine. Then all I can do is give feedback the moderation of certain deal types is, or appears to be, quite inconsistent. And I think this whole xgp shemozzle is evidence of that.

            I'm consistently head scratching why some deals are allowed and others not.

            There is no rule that states you can only post thing when an hour ticks over.

            Then I am suggesting a review of the guidelines, or the consideration of an additional guideline that allows for "flash sales" e.g. 1 or 2 hour type sales that allows them to be posted in advance even if the discount or deal is a bit vague. I asuggested this to Richard in my TWAM but he didnt give a rats. Because these stupid flash cashbacks are massively frustrating to miss out on. Not everyoine sits in front of a PC all day and can get browser alerts the instant these sorts of deals go live. I have given this feedback separately to CR and SB but they dont seem to care :P Not sure what their obsession of 7-8pm flash events is….. it just annoys people to finds out amazon had 20% cashback for 1 hour while you were putting the kids to bed. /offtopic

            • Moderatorneil on 05/01/2020 - 16:05

              @Skramit:

              I'm consistently head scratching why some deals are allowed and others not.

              If you're scratching your head then ask. Happy to explain why. 88% of deals posted remain posted. 5% of the 12% unpublished are duplicates, 1% sockpuppeting etc. Check out the October stats of what things are being unpublished and why.

              hat allows for "flash sales"

              The issue is that we don't know what the deal is. It could be something great like 50% cashback or something crap like 1%. People need to know what is being offered in order for them to determine a deal. It is pretty annoying to have these short sales and hopefully the cashback sites will take the feedback and post the details here themselves with enough time for people to see the deal.

              • Skramit on 05/01/2020 - 16:42

                @neil: I’d rather advanced warning about “up to 30%” with the potential to be disappointed, than miss it completely. I’d prefer to err on the side of a deal from Cashrewards and ShopBack given their reputation is fairly solid with those sort of things.

                Food for thought.

              • jimbobaus on 05/01/2020 - 16:50

                @neil: “ The issue is that we don't know what the deal is”
                The epic game store daily games were allowed to be posted 24 hours before the actual game being given away was released.
                In a few cases the game was wrong and the poster changed the post the following day when the reveal occurred.

                Allowing pre posting of very limited deals should be blanket yes or no. I was tempted to report the epic games deals but didn’t see the point in the end.

                • Moderatorneil on 05/01/2020 - 17:21

                  @jimbobaus:

                  • Posting deals before they start are fine.
                  • Posting deals before they start and not knowing what the deal is going to be is not fine.
                  • Posting deals before they start and based on investigation/evidence, it is likely x will be the deal is fine however as you stated sometimes people get it wrong in your example and in eBay. Based on this we'll likely remove future unconfirmed posts based on previous experiences.

                  As per the deal posting guidelines:

                  Deal posts that reference an upcoming sale or deal without information about any specific offer, or have an unknown/indefinite start date may be unpublished. Please post only when at least a product price or a specific discount is known, and include that in the description. Please note that up to XX% off discounts are not specific discounts.

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