Keep an eye on these convenient entry products for some time, too expensive! Finally price dropped, bought it, share it!
Are these easy to diy?
In my experience, I disagree with "very easy". It's not easy at all if your door is not a Mortise lock in the first place. It can be relatively easier if you already have a mortise door lock, but only if the size match (unlikely). You'll need to use a chisel and a drill at the very least.
To mortise the door, if you haven't got or unwilling to purchase the right tools, be prepared to spend a day at least, running back and forth from Bunnings.
If you got the tools and have never done this before, you'll need about an afternoon.
If you have done this before and have the right tools, you'll be done in about a hour or two max.
I had to google "Mortise Lock"
Good to know…
You're bang on. I installed two of these Samsung door handles and with a drill and chisel it took me a whole afternoon, and it wasn't pretty either.
Yep if it's not pretty, this defies the purpose of having such as expensive lock!
Had an older version of the Samsung door lock on our front door at our last place. Loved it. But I just paid $250~ for a locksmith to come and install. He had to drill out the door frame to accomodate it and it did require a bit of mucking around. Fine if you have the tools and experience, otherwise just pay to get it installed.
The first time I installed this I had to chisel out a good chunk of the door. Have some wood putty ready just incase you make mistakes. It took me a good 6 hours to get a perfect chisel since I am a perfectionist. But if you already have the space cutout it only takes about 20 minutes to install. I had two of samsung mortise locks installed. My second lock took around 4 hours to chisel and install. You will also have to chisel out some space from the door frame for the bolt.
One of my samsung doorlock bit the dust after 8 years after the massive storm allowed moisture to get in as the rubber gasket round it failed and I had to buy a new one, luckily all the samsung mortise internals are of the same size, just the outside are different sizes. The lock comes with templates for drilling. Also get a holesaw if you dont already have one, you will need it.
Can I politely suggest that anyone who has to ask this question NOT experiment with the lock on their front door? There are too many ways to make expensive mistakes.
If you have the right tools, yes.
I installed 2 of these.
One with a hole saw and a set of chisels…3 hours.
Went to Bunnings and got a set of spade bits.
The next one took 30 minutes.
Keyless but not 'smart' ?
Apparently not, which limits the appeal for me, although it's obviously a good price otherwise. Would like it to have a Zigbee option like Yale's digital lock offering.
I've got KeyWe. Happy so far. ZigBee
I've been looking at wifi systems where you control and electric strike from a hard wired panel. Price is about the same if not cheaper than this deal. Install is obviously more difficult.
The KeyWe looks like Z-Wave rather than ZigBee, unless I'm mistaken?
@leonardr: Yeah sorry it is ZigBee!!
Many locks cheaper than this Samsung one that offer smart capabilities which for me are what make a keyless lock worth it
keep in mind if its not a latch system you can't add it to an apartment…legally at least
Can you explain that?
What is a latch system and why is anything else illegal?
Apartments have (fire safety) rules about everything…
would anyone happen to know which ones are allowed for apartments?
@asd123: No idea, but this is related https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/433481
yes, I can confirm that any fire rated door requires fire rated hardware to be compliant. Smoke seals, door hardware etc..
If the hardware is not fire compliant, the door is no longer compliant- big fines in apartments.
Any drilling required for installation?
Yes, and chiselling.
…. plus some concreting and knitting.
Then fiberglass over all your mistakes, paint, and done!
@MasterScythe: You forgot to pour petrol over the whole disaster, light it and start again.
why bother with fibreglass, a MIG welder will get the thing done in 10 mins
Best thing I ever brought
is installation easy?
No, is the easiest answer! 😀 For a more elaborate answer, see my reply above.
It's not that bad, Comes with template,takes about an hour to install,takes time chiselling in inner mechanism, But only thing it will destroy your door , you'll won't able to go back to a normal lock. you'll have to get a new door. But well worth it. Have this for years no problem.
Spent $299 on this lock, spend another $299 for a locksmith to install it XD
Bringing it home was the best thing about it
Highly recommend Samsung. Got one 5yrs ago and still working great. Once you go digital lock you ain't never going back.
I just move house and have indeed "gone back". Hope it's not for long though!
Yes, got one over 7 years ago, absolutly the best door lock I've ever had.
Can you get wired types instead of battery operated?
battery is fine imo, mine lasts about a year (about 7-8 entries/exits per day). takes about 30 seconds to change.
And you can use your Eneloops!
Wait for the fingerprint model, it's much more convenient than a pin code. I have both for my Samsung, used the pin once in that time. The pin code is only convenient for people who need access infrequently.
A good idea be to have the smarts of a fingerprint lock in your phone (which already has a reader), which then just transmits the key to the door fro lock/unlock?
If you want a good lock with fingerprint, go have a look at Lockly at Bunnings. I have put them through my house.
+1 for the Lockly Lock
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a "keyless" lock?
what if you are nude out?? ;)
Or have to run back into the house to get your phone that you forgot…
Haha, yeah for all those occasions where you're sunbathing nude on the front lawn and need to go back inside!
Nudists don't lock their doors.
@Bangbus: Why do nudist have doors? :))
Agree had fingerprint in my house. Amazing.
Fingerprint model no good if you live in Wuhan!
anybody know if these kind of locks are available for sliding doors? Wanna get a digital lock for me sliding door =]
Have looked and never found a solution. If I go keyless I want to do all the doors in my house (on the same system). This is what’s stopping me.
If you go on Samsung website (try US site) there are system for sliding
Is this compatible with deadbolt door locks?
yes this one is for deadbolts - you can see the pictures if you click through in the page
i got the other one which is latch type (the rim lock) - absolutely love it. I don't use the bluetooth or 'smart' stuff at all just the pin code - easy not needing keys anymore..
been keeping an eye out for one of these for my airbnb.
and out of coincidence also signed up for Bunnings powerpass today which took an additional 5% off.
there's 1 left at Bunnings Subiaco.
I think you might have a problem if the batteries die.
There a key if battery dies but should have some signs before it dies
That's not really a problem - I have had this exact lock for about 7 years now and have only changed the batteries about 4 times I reckon. It plays a little jingle when you open it when the battery is getting low.
You can also place a 9-volt battery underneath to power it up for emergency entry. Plus there is also an emergency key slot underneath - just keep that key safely hidden somewhere.
Best door lock ever, love it.
edit: oh forgot to mention that after 7 years the keypad is all cracked from the oils in our fingers reacting with the UV I guess. Still works fine, but almost impossible to read which numbers are lighting up in the middle of sunny days. You need to see them because it lights up 2 random numbers which you have to press before entering your pin code (to ensure the pattern isn't etched into the plastic via fingerprints….or cracks).
I'd like a fingerprint version, but this would suffer the same issue. We often forget our RFID cards, so usually end up using the (long) pin code.
You can turn off the 2 random numbers function if you need - it’s just so that all the numbers get pressed so it’s not obvious what numbers you use
I bought my Samsung smart lock at Bunnings too but with price beat, I just google a australia store at the time and they were happy to beat it
Wouldn't having an override key make the lock less secure? I'll have to check what Lockpickinglawyer thinks about this.
In petty much every case the electronics are the weak point. I'm yet to see one that doesn't have flaws. Just look at LPL and all the ones he's reviewed. The usual issue is you have a security product being designed by a consumer product manufacturer. Their main goals is features, ease of use and visual appeal. Security is often compromised to achieve them. Not saying it is with this lock as I haven't researched it but it's a common theme amongst this style of lock.
I always look at these and say yes…no keys. Then I remember both my front and back doors also have security screen doors, so kind of useless.
Can someone with the knowledge of digital locks tell me, if the motor (or the mechanism) fails, how do we open the door? Assuming the battery is good, and the digital lock does not have the actual backup keys (or key hole). I have 5 of these digital locks (All different brands) through out the house and shop, all without any key hole for backup, and I am very worried how I am gonna get inside if it fails to open. Also can it actually happen, I don’t really understand how it works and what is the failure rate of these digital locks. Thanks.
If you have a few around the house, it means you have a number of ingress points. Unlikely for all to break at once. To answer your question, locksmith will probably need to drill out BUT won't br nevessary because of my first point
Room doors and window glass in my house and shop would need to be broken to get inside in the case that the lock fails to open. And I don’t know the failure rate of these locks.
well if you actually read the description of the lock…
Keyless entry for up to 30 users by PIN or KeyTag
Long battery life from 4 x AA batteries - 18 months over 10 entries per day
2 x Samsung KeyTags, 5 Mechanical backup keys, and batteries included
Affordable price for an integrated handle and keyless entry
Always secure with auto-locking function
Have we actually all forgotten how to read all of the sudden.
My question doesn’t relate to this Samsung lock here. I do have 2 Samsung locks but they don’t have backup key or keyhole. Still not sure how to get inside room when the lock fail without breaking windows/doors
its just like if normal locks fail or the key breaks inside, you drill them.
This is the lock picking lawyer, and what I have for you today is a-
binding on 4… 3 feels set… good click outta 5
Yeah you just hack it.
I've had a Samsung lock for nearly a decade now, not this model but almost the same. No issues at all. Install took 1/2 hr as the holes for my existing lock all lined up :)
Some insurers require you to have a deadbolt lock on your entrance door, otherwise they may not cover burglaries and theft. If you have insurance then read your PDS or contact your insurer before installing this.
Can you use a smartphone as a key?
Unfortunately not, unless this is suddenly possible then I would like to know also. It uses NFC so I guess technically possible?
It's not NFC, it's similar but incompatible.
I have the same series of lock on my house and it is NFC. I don’t know why it is listed as RFID. I have the same key tags as those shown in the listing and have several spares made up from left over Gainsborough locks and some cheap Chinese MiFare NFC cards.
I have both an RFID reader and a NFC reader for work, and the Samsung key tags do not read in the RFID tool, but happily read in the NFC scanner.
So, unless Samsung have made a huge change to their systems, I would say that this is the same as all their other products and is NFC.
@pegaxs: So, I can use this with my NFC enabled android phone?
@zeitgeb3r: Only if it supports NFC emulation. As your phone is predominantly a reader. Some phones will emulate a NFC signal, and you can use that function to open locks like this.
@pegaxs: Hi pegaxs, since you said you have the same series, what is the model number of your Samsung lock?
I have had this exact model for at least a year now. My door gets full sun every day and it still works very well.
I installed myself but it was honestly very difficult and I don't recommend it unless you're quite handy
Anyone have experience with this? Has wifi and fingerprint
I tried the pineworld from Amazon. pretty similar. It's pretty good of replacing the old school type of lane 1000.
These guys sold me a fingerprint one (not connected to internet) on our front door, installed in 5-10 minutes max, simply removed old one and replaced. Their website doesn't show the product from some reason, but it is solid, with digital encryption. German tech. Do call them, we're very happy with it.
Never needed the keys since.
Any details/pictures on the product and cost?