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Fractal Design ION+ 760W 80+ Platinum Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $189 + Delivery ($0 in-Store Pickup) @ Mwave

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Fractal Design ION+ 760W 80+ Platinum Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $189 + Delivery ($0 in-Store Pickup) @ Mwave
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LToffcuz on 26/09/2020 - 23:51 mwave.com.au (1356 clicks)
Last edited 27/09/2020 - 08:36 by 1 other user

This is my first deal so go easy please ahah!
Havent seen this posted anywhere so thought id share it with you guys!

· UltraFlex DC wires for effortless cable-routing and connectors
· Custom-tailored 140 mm fan with exceptionally low minimum speed
· 80 PLUS® Platinum Efficiency for optimized electrical performance
· Fully modular design for reduced clutter and maximum ease of installation
· Extensive 10 year warranty
Ion+ Platinum - The Power of Silence

The Ion+ Platinum is a high-performance fully modular PSU with whisper-quiet operation, enhanced cable flexibility and superior output quality.

A user selectable semi-passive Zero RPM mode maintains pure silence under light loads, and the custom-tailored 140mm fan with FDB bearings barely breaks a whisper under heavy use. Revolutionary UltraFlex cable with its ultra-high strand count wire and special insulation bends and twists effortlessly to make installation and cable-routing a breeze.

Ion+ is available now in 560, 660, 760 and 860 watt capacities, all with 80PLUS® Platinum Efficiency, 10-year warranty, and a full electrical protection suite for your peace of mind.

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  • Ceejay on 27/09/2020 - 00:03
    +20

    Good timing… now just got to let this baby sit for a couple of years until my RTX 3080 gets here

      • scud70 on 27/09/2020 - 08:32
        +2

        Limits your boost clocks, I.e. How much the card can OC.

        • This Guy on 27/09/2020 - 19:21

          Why? This is a consumer product. It should just work.

          • scud70 on 27/09/2020 - 19:42

            @This Guy: yep but what they will limit is the boost clock not the base clock just stating what would be limited… anyway we'll find out what exactly the issue is over time … and it may be a combination of the capacitors and psu .. or just AIB's being over zealous to beat out the FE card which to me is easily the best FE card ever released…

            also please don't recommend a big and inefficient PSU because of early issue's with some AIB GPU's.. a PC and especially a gaming one is made up of so many diff components that are better served with a good efficient PSU…

      • masuta on 27/09/2020 - 09:27
        +7

        Do you have a link that specifically shows high efficiency PSUs causing an issue?

        • This Guy on 27/09/2020 - 19:22
          -6

          https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-compu…

          Have fun. This is also about $4k cheaper than my course.

          • masuta on 27/09/2020 - 22:49
            +4

            @This Guy: Yeah… I din't think so.

            Maybe you should do this course as well then?

            Anyway the most workable theory at the moment for why the 3080's are crashing when they boost to >2ghz is that some manufacturers have used cheaper components. Basically they have used POSCAPs instead off MLCCs against NVIDIAs reference design. This is thought to be generating noise at high frequencies.

            https://www.igorslab.de/en/what-real-what-can-be-investigati…

            • Trance N Dance on 28/09/2020 - 01:16
              +1

              @masuta: Well they're not POSCAPs for one (Buildzoid gets really worked up about it lol)
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFKS8jNNh0

              Igor probably even touched the voltage conversion issue here:
              "Apart from the fact that there is still enough high-frequency “garbage” from the voltage converters, it is mainly the so-called GPU load including all jumps caused by boost, which leads to very broadband frequency mixtures, which become more extreme the higher the boost clock goes."
              and here
              "In terms of quality, however, good MLCCs are better able to filter the very high frequency components in particular"

              (Now my understanding of electronics is rudimentary but this is my understanding of it so far)
              If the MLCCs are filtering the dirty power provided and the GPU behaves and the SP-Caps fail to do so then it would indicate that the problem lies before the GPU, now whether it's because the PSU supplies power that is too dirty, or the type of caps used is inadequate, or a mixture of both is a different question that could also be complicated by the quality of power provided by your utility provider. (Regardless of how that works out, the poor design means the product isn't suitable for real world use with SP-Caps only)

            • This Guy on 28/09/2020 - 10:28
              -1

              @masuta: You don't seem to understand how power quality works.

              If you have a dam that feeds the town, and the dam has poisonous water, you can correct the issue at the dam, at each tap or at some location in between.

              High efficiency PSU's reduce filtering to improve efficiency. If you have a filtering issue on a GPU (what cap's do), and it is on a device you can't modify (like a GPU) then you can coreect the power quality issue upstream.

              A good Bronze PSU shouldn't have an issue. Other things that could help would be removing other SMPS's or moving them further away electrically from the PSU's GPO or using a UPS with power conditioning.

              But yeah, this clearly isn't power electronics and I am clearly talking out my rear. Not sure why you want me to retake the same irrelevant course when the only difference is the AC source voltage.

              Yeah… I din't think so.

              Because you don't know what you are talking about yet. That's cool. Electricity is hard and we all have to start somewhere.

            • This Guy on 01/10/2020 - 20:02

              @masuta: hurpa-durpa-durp.

              • masuta on 07/10/2020 - 15:15

                @This Guy: You seem to have comprehension issues. That's cool. English is hard and we all have to start somewhere.

      • Shonky on 27/09/2020 - 11:09
        +5

        Yeah nah. Not how efficiency works.

        • This Guy on 27/09/2020 - 14:31
          +2

          Na dog, exactly how efficient works.

          Where do you think the inefficiency comes from? Ractive power, or inductance and capacitance. Larger coils and caps, which provide better voltage smoothing under load and longer hold up times (not something that used to be an issue in computer PSU's)

          SMPS's are very efficient, but they are full of harmonics. To keep their efficiencies high, they need to minimise the reactive components of the design (that's why you can get 90%, 92%, 90% efficiencies). Which was fine, until we got a card that seems to have been tested behind a UPS with power conditioning.

          The widely reported issue is that the caps used aren't filtering high frequencies. Giving your GPU mostly real power (which will be full of harmonics, because you are running at 90% capacity) is not going to help.

          How do you know running at 90% capacity will produce stupid harmonics?

          Power electronics chips generally produce 0.1 to 1% THD up to ~70% of it's rating. It continues to 10% at around 90% load. This PSU would be ~50% more expensive (or just higher rated) if higher rated chips were used.

          Yes there will be exceptions. I highly doubt this budget Platinum PSU is one.

          • Trance N Dance on 27/09/2020 - 15:12
            +1

            @This Guy: Sssshhhh, don't give Nvidia someone else to blame lol

            Are we having a problem about context here?
            As for the general understanding of efficiency is the comparison of how much power is drawn on the high voltage side to produce the required power on the low voltage side of the PSU. As for the 3080/3090 issue, it's the side effect of using budget friendly components to produce efficient power conversion creating noise that affects poorly spec'ed 3080/3090s.

            Also if the 3080/3090 works fine under UPS conditioned power but not under direct wall power, then it's not really the PSU that's creating the problem but rather the original power source (and the PSU is just amplifying or passing on the original problem) no?

            • jkim on 27/09/2020 - 15:54

              @Trance N Dance: In the real world, power is "dirty".
              A PSU not suitable for real world use isn't a good PSU.
              Also, the 3080/3090 testing was retarded if that's what they really did, and the entire department should be sacked.

              • This Guy on 27/09/2020 - 19:26

                @jkim: To be fair, usually M/B, CPU's and AiB's are designed to be tolerant of a reasonable amount of ripple.

                From my understanding, the issue is ~300MHz above the rated boost clock using an on board boost profile. This looks like a small oversight that is causing significant issues for customers. But with the stink that is being raised, all that will happen for current products is clocks with the cheaper cap layout will be locked to lower unadvertised boost clocks.

                • jkim on 27/09/2020 - 21:48

                  @This Guy: It's not a small oversight if they are not testing under the conditions their target demographics would operate in.
                  Unless they explicitly market the product as requiring a UPS, and thus change the target market altogether, they need to have it working as advertised with the typical dirtiness of consumer power grids, and not conditioned lab feeds.
                  They can get away with it for the 3090 since the profile of that target demographics would often have a UPS regardless, but NOT the 3080 - which is a top end mainstream card, hence their QA dept should be sacked for not doing their job… come on, not a single member of the QA team thought the environment they were testing under was not representative of the conditions their target market would operate under?

            • This Guy on 27/09/2020 - 19:19

              @Trance N Dance:

              As for the 3080/3090 issue, it's the side effect of using budget friendly components to produce efficient power conversion creating noise that affects poorly spec'ed 3080/3090s.

              Not at all. Those small caps are cheaper. BUT once you add 6 of them and the cost to solder six caps over one, it is around $1 more expensive per board (from what I have heard).

              Also if the 3080/3090 works fine under UPS conditioned power but not under direct wall power, then it's not really the PSU that's creating the problem but rather the original power source (and the PSU is just amplifying or passing on the original problem) no?

              Yes. PSU's are relatively dumb power converters. There is so, so, so much work that goes into designing them, and they have filters to minimise ripple, but they are not UPS's or power conditioners.

              • Trance N Dance on 28/09/2020 - 01:25

                @This Guy: Wasn't talking about the caps used on the GPUs but rather the components used on the PSU to produce power resulting in how dirty the power is. Then if the SP-Caps only GPU dislikes the dirty power provided then it chucks a hissy fit.

                Just sounds like the reference spec was good enough to handle the dirty power and when changing out the components due to overall costs exposed the tight tolerances the 30 series has or the lack of headroom the SP-Caps can provide.

                • This Guy on 28/09/2020 - 10:11

                  @Trance N Dance: Sorry, I thought you were talking about on board power conversion.

                  The 3080 reference design shown by Igor's Lab only has 5 POSCAPs, with the option to replace each one of those with six MLCCs. The supposed issue is when six POSCAPs are used. This is probably not an official drawing, and it has clearly been modified, but it looks like the affected cards are not reference, but modified.

  • somm on 27/09/2020 - 00:06

    14.45 shipping Melbourne Metro

  • nosrad on 27/09/2020 - 00:13

    i had my eyes on this for a while actually. Does anyone have any experience with this psu?

  • Oxygenzero on 27/09/2020 - 08:14
    +1

    $209 for me and o/s

  • SickMyDuck on 27/09/2020 - 08:39

    OOS now

  • edfoo on 27/09/2020 - 08:42

    We have Bronze, Silver and Gold rated power supplies, do we really need Platinum rated power supplies for home PC? Or is it more for wank factor?

    • Trance N Dance on 27/09/2020 - 08:58
      +7

      Nothing to do with wank factor, more to do with how much actual power you will draw to deliver the power required by the components. If you're not using high powered components or running the computer for long periods of time (eg 24/7) then there's really no need for high efficient PSUs.

      edit: There's a small few who probably do get the highest rated PSUs just for the wank factor, but there are practical reasons.

      • lew380 on 27/09/2020 - 09:47

        Lost power efficiency is translated to heat, heat is not good in your system, so a PSU that runs cooler is objectively better. The typical gamer probably won't care between bronze or gold but in principle, the better PSU's pay for themselves and run quieter. I've had some noisy cheap PSU's before so quiet operation is not a given.

        About $10-$15 a year in savings between basic to platinum, will take a few years to pay off but your also getting better build quality, less noise/heat and a longer life span product in general. I find it worth while, but budget builds, like some of my earlier builds, I'd spend the $40 difference on a better GPU or CPU

        • brimmy11 on 27/09/2020 - 11:45

          You normally get way longer warranty with Plat PSU, 7-10 years.

    • rookie317 on 27/09/2020 - 09:38
      +2

      Generally speaking, to deliver higher efficiency, you need higher quality components, so a Gold and above PSU is a strong indication of quality PSU. That said, there're tons of exception both ways of course. Diminishing return kicks in hard after Gold tho imo, Gold tends to be the sweet spot between price and quality.

      Also high efficient PSUs generate less heat, this means they're also well suited for quiet/SFX PC, some high efficient PSUs can even be fanless.

      Another point is, the 80+ certification isn't just for consumer products, servers PSUs where every % matter are rated with them too. So it's not really a matter of do we need, but rather they exist for those who want them.

      Regardless of the 80+ rating though, this is a good PSU at a good price, I'd say it's a slightly better buy than RM750x at $200ish.

    • lostn on 27/09/2020 - 09:47
      +1

      There's even Titanium which beats Platinum.

    • mrhashish on 27/09/2020 - 13:14

      wait till the Titanium rated psu's from Chinese market make their way here.

  • OKJoe on 27/09/2020 - 11:45
    +1

    dang… i missed this!

  • HeyHeyHeyIsItADeal on 28/09/2020 - 03:23

    Wow can't believe I missed this I'm sad '(

    • nosrad on 28/09/2020 - 09:30
      -2

      To be fair it was at this price for the last couple of weeks.

      • HeyHeyHeyIsItADeal on 28/09/2020 - 16:39

        Idk just saw, it no one told me so it was 2 days.

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