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Electric Car (EV) Home Charger - 32A Level 2 SAEJ1772 - $371 (30% off) + Delivery ($0 with Prime/$39 Spend) @ lefanev Amazon AU

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I'm purchasing a 2nd-hand electric car (Nissan LEAF) and need a home charging station for it, as it doesn't come with one because the original owner has it installed in their house. I was Googling around and most are $1k to $1.5k plus installation. I came across this one on Amazon AU as a Google Ad, it's 'German Designed' (apparently) but made in China. Seems to support all electric cars and has good reviews that I can find. No reviews on Amazon AU, but they have 100% on eBay. Worth a shot at this price and I can return it to Amazon

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  • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 12:08
    +1

    No reviews

    • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 12:32
      +2

      Review Meta
      Independent review

        • Kontiki on 18/10/2020 - 15:57
          +1

          Holden Bolt in 2022? Didn't Holden go bust earlier this year?

          • abuch47 on 18/10/2020 - 16:07
            +2

            @Kontiki: Bust? no. GM finally closed up the holden shop as it long planned to do.

        • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 17:02
          +2

          All of those prices are significantly more then $18k. So you’re saying that a car that is 1/5th the price of a base Tesla, and 1/10th the price of a top end one, isn’t as good by comparison? Is it 1/5th as good? 1/10th?

          • Kangal on 18/10/2020 - 17:29
            -4

            @justdigi: Well, there in lies the problem. I don't know what you paid for yours, and people here negged me cause they thought I did know. In fact, I started it with a question, and left my previous comment open. So that you can take the liberty by stating what made you buy your car, for other readers to understand (or dismiss).

            FYI: The Nissan Leaf is listed anywhere from $57k down to $12k. I listed the prices for all above models, because I'm impartial. They give a rough idea about the current state of affair on EV cars in Australia. Which admittedly looks sad. Other members suggested alternate EVs or Hybrids, and I can't comment on those, but I'd wager they would be better than the Leaf (better value is another question entirely).

            Comparing a $57k Nissan Leaf, to a $75k Tesla 3… I'd choose the Tesla everytime. But comparing the $12k Nissan Leaf to a $99k Tesla 3, I'd choose the Leaf. I'm a tight arse after all. However, seeing and giving a Nissan Leaf a test drive myself, I wouldnt buy one. There's a lot of great ICE cars that are cheap and economical in Australia like Toyota Corolla (OzBargainers choice). They would be higher on my list. Other options would be considered like something with a Suzuki, Mazda, Subaru, Hyundai, Kia badge. And for "fun" a VW GTi/R or other hothatch would be on the cards. All because electricity prices in Australia are very high, and because the more decent EV options aren't really affordable.

  • Yabadabadoo on 18/10/2020 - 12:11
    +33

    Might want to check if an electrician will install it as there's no mention of it meeting Australia standards so could be a problem from insurance etc

  • at9 on 18/10/2020 - 12:12
    +36

    Since there is no mention of being SAA approved no electrician will install this.

    Also why would you take the risk of damaging the batteries or whole electric system on a cheap charger?

    • ozdesi on 18/10/2020 - 12:33
      +5

      good advice you never cheap out on stuff like this

      • MynyMouqe on 18/10/2020 - 12:36
        +27

        To be fair there are not a lot of smarts in the charger, it's just a relay/switch for the AC - the AC-DC conversion is done on the car end.

        • LongJohn92 on 18/10/2020 - 13:52
          -3

          I hear it can be a Highway to Hell if it screws up your battery though.

          • roller on 18/10/2020 - 14:01
            +26

            @LongJohn92: But the point was it can’t screw up your battery because the BMS in the car does all the important stuff. EVSEs damaging cars is one of the many myths spread by car dealers who would rather sell petrol cars and insist only OEM equipment should be used with electrics

            • jackary on 18/10/2020 - 18:30
              +1

              @roller: So the way I interpret your comment is it won’t blow up your car, but it might blow up your house?

          • Springfield on 18/10/2020 - 14:56
            +3

            @LongJohn92: Will be Thunderstruck if you miss the deal though.

        • mfazackerley on 18/10/2020 - 18:46

          Id trust cheap smarts over cheap relays/switches. Cheap smarts might stop working while cheap relays/solenoids will start a fire or get stuck closed etc

        • Den on 19/10/2020 - 13:41
          +1

          Yeah, but install by yourself and blow your house insurance?

    • Zephyrus on 18/10/2020 - 20:40
      +2

      You don't need a sparky, it has a plug on it.

      You would need a 3 phase socket though.

      • mfazackerley on 18/10/2020 - 23:24

        Doesn't have a plug on it so technically you would need a sparky to legally put a 32amp plug on it.
        But its a moot point because its not certified here so is illegal anyway, so may aswell put a plug on yourself

        • Zephyrus on 19/10/2020 - 10:00
          +1

          It does, the description says to cut off the plug if you want to hard-wire it.

          "If there is no NEMA 14-50 socket, please cut off the NEMA 14-50 plug as a hard-wired product"

          • Den on 19/10/2020 - 13:51

            @Zephyrus: Right, got confused by really dodgy images..

  • Lizard Spock on 18/10/2020 - 12:14
    +3

    Why is SSL certificate listed as a tag in this deal?

    • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 12:28

      No idea, I didn’t put it there.

  • JoKing on 18/10/2020 - 12:21
    +1

    Hmm.. not sure it's a good idea to buy some no-name branded thing for something like this.

    • Kontiki on 18/10/2020 - 16:01

      I say the same about solar but people seem happy to install some no-name random panels and inverters on their roof, to save a grand or two. Never mind that it has to last out in the elements for many years.

      • netjock on 19/10/2020 - 10:25

        Always a name, it just isn't one that western people can pronounce or recognise (brand).

  • bargaino on 18/10/2020 - 12:26
    +30

    The "charger" is really little more than a 32A-rated smart switch. All the smarts and voltage conversion are in the car itself.
    The retail prices are ridiculous, as the most expensive part when making them is the cable.

    Anyone who is overly concerned with AU hard-wiring regulations can have a standard 32A socket installed in their garage, and put a 32A plug on this.
    All 100% legal (except possibly QLD?). Though hard-wire is preferred.

    In reality, the average electrician will say "yeeahh maate. Cashie." :-)

    There are plenty on DIY youtube videos on these, e.g.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXUHGA4scgI

    • lxstr on 18/10/2020 - 18:15
      -1

      This.

    • virtual81 on 18/10/2020 - 23:59

      Sounds good in theory, but single phase 32A sockets aren't a thing.

      • Dogsrule on 19/10/2020 - 01:23

        Lolwut

      • bargaino on 19/10/2020 - 01:28

        You believe things don't exist until you see them?
        A follower of the idealist philosopher George Berkeley ?

        https://www.ebay.com.au/i/263135757722

        or more commonly the IP66 version:

        https://www.voltexelectrical.com.au/p-2245-socket-outlet-3-p…

        Of course I was not seriously advocating these over hard-wired.

        • virtual81 on 20/10/2020 - 12:47

          Fair call, i'll take that back.

          Irony is i worked for an industrial electrical wholesaler for 8 years… and never once stocked or sold one of these.
          Sold hundreds of their 4 and 5 pin cousins.
          Now that i see it i guess i might recall passing it in the Clipsal catalogue.
          In regards to your previous posts regarding it's price, I'm sure we're all well aware how much of a Joke Clipsal RRP is.
          Wholesalers pay about $2 for 4.5KA Clipsal breakers. I don't recall their retail price as it was such an obscene figure no one ever paid that much.

          Clipsal, once a bit of an Aussie Icon, now down the toilet.

      • krisp on 19/10/2020 - 13:25

        they are - i'm getting one on my new house

  • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 12:28

    Good luck with the deg on air cooled batteries. I'd get an Ionic instead.

    • tonyjzx on 18/10/2020 - 14:52
      +3

      the ionic is a $40k car at best for the hybrid, closer to $50k for the EV

      the leaf can be had for under $20k

      i'd just buy a new tesla or a porsche taycan… its easy to say isnt it?

      • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 15:18
        -1

        There are full electric Ioniqs on carsales right now for $40k.

        • tonyjzx on 18/10/2020 - 15:36

          thats double the price of a leaf

          i'm not even saying the leaf is a good purchase… in fact i'd go as far as to say you're better off with a lightly used Kia hatch and use the remainder of the 7 yr warranty and give the F to EV cars like the majority of the population…

          you're still comparing a house that costs $500k to a house that costs $1 mil. comparatively speaking.

          I'm guessing the OP doesnt have the readies for a $40k car unlike normal folks I guess!

          • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 17:10
            +4

            @tonyjzx: I have a ‘$40k car’ already. This is a 2nd car (to replace a petrol one) to use for the school run and commuting.

            The intent was to lower emissions, qualify for free CBD parking for electric vehicles and still use the other car for weekends/longer trips.

            • letsgetquizzical on 18/10/2020 - 18:46

              @justdigi: Where exactly is this "free CBD parking"? I've driven an EV car for five years and still haven't found any such parking in Sydney city.

              • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 19:01

                @letsgetquizzical: Brisbane, my office building. Partnership with council to encourage EVs in the CBD.

                • jackary on 18/10/2020 - 20:05

                  @justdigi: Have you double checked you are allowed to park there? Last time I checked the council EV parks/charging points are for BCC vehicles only… thus why they don’t show up online.

                  Either way, they aren’t encouraging EVs to the CBD (see my later comment - BCC have explicitly stated as much). What makes you think the point was put there in partnership with council?

                  In any case… Just saying, an EV point and a car space in your office basement is quite a long way from “free CBD parking”…

          • netjock on 19/10/2020 - 10:31

            @tonyjzx:

            thats double the price of a leaf

            Know your pain.

            Most people here on OzB have their heart set on a product because they have rationalised it in their head with alternative facts. They are just waiting for a misprice.

            I think Nissan Leaf second hand is mispriced due to the bad press from people about air cooled batteries. It will suit certain people: working from home, only use it to pick up kids twice a day, mostly in urban areas, also shopping trips have underground parking and have a second car (like a big car). Beats buying a current generation Yaris.

            There are people who don't understand there is priced to fit a purpose where as they pay a premium to fit ALL purposes.

      • unifex on 18/10/2020 - 15:58

        Problem is that the leaf batteries die much quicker now so you might end up paying nearly the price of the ionic.

        • netjock on 19/10/2020 - 10:32

          They said that about the Prius but there is an industry for reconditioned / new cells.

  • MynyMouqe on 18/10/2020 - 12:30

    Keep in mind that this doesn't support all electric cars, just the ones that run that plug…

    I'd be more comfortable just going for a zappi or similar to be honest, this just smells a bit funny.

    • bargaino on 18/10/2020 - 12:31

      just the ones that run that plug…

      Isn't that everything except Tesla?

      • MynyMouqe on 18/10/2020 - 12:33
        +3

        Nope, everyone has settled on Type 2 and CCS2 as standard now, just older cars that are running type 1.

        • bargaino on 18/10/2020 - 12:44

          Ah, thanks.
          I see the plugs are not compatible. And Tesla uses type-2 in Australia.

          • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 13:09

            @bargaino: The vast majority use CCS2, only the S and X use type 2, and that'll change to CCS2 when they release the new model S in a few months.

        • mister_snrub on 18/10/2020 - 17:29
          +2

          If you get an EVSE like this with a Type 1 (J1772) plug, but then later want to use it with a car that has the more common Type 2 (IEC 62916) socket, then there are adaptors available.

          For AC charging the connectors are electrically equivalent. It’s the DC charging standards and plugs that you can’t (easily) convert between.

          • Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 21:16

            @mister_snrub: CCS are simply adapted. CHAdeMO is another story but usually complementary to CCS2 outlets.

    • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 12:43

      Supports the LEAF I’ll be getting, if I got the other one to ‘future proof’, will I need an adapter to use with LEAF or will it not work at all?

      • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 13:18

        I would strongly recommend not buying a leaf. Air cooled just doesn't work. You'll be down to no range in no time (and in winter it might not even be 100km), and you'll be up for a replacement battery at some point. Buy a second hand Ioniq. Much better car. Even a Renault Zoe is better (it's the best selling EV in Europe). You can get near new ones for $30k ish.

        • Kanari on 18/10/2020 - 13:32

          What year Leaf are you referring to? I think it would be ten years before you get down to 100km range?

        • Stimps on 18/10/2020 - 14:40

          I drove a leaf from Noosa to Australia Zoo, 63km, only just made it and I was going 90km/hr down the freeway to save juice. In saying that, the 30kw batteries are holding up ok and would be fine in a cool environment.

        • Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 15:04

          Any leads on $30k ZOE? Is there that much haggle room as most are listed on CarSales around $36k atm

        • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 15:09
          -1

          I'm currently getting the LEAF as a used Jap import from Good Car Co (with dealer and statutory warranty), but can still cancel as it hasn't left Japan yet. Where can I get an Ioniq or Zoe for $30k? The LEAF is under $20k.

          • Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 15:14

            @justdigi: There was an MY19 Ioniq Electric at QFleet auctions for around $30k. Double the range of what you are looking at in a 24kWh LEAF. $20k is too much for the original shape.

          • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 15:28
            -1

            @justdigi: There is a Zoe on carsales for $34k they’d take $30k, it’s been on sale for 2 years. I’d offer $25k and not pay a cent more. They’d probably take it.

            • Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 15:42

              @[Deactivated]: Ok saw that one ☝️ 🍻

              Renault are dumping stock due to removing the model from sale in Australia. These are 2017 spec model (no split fold seat, lower power). Wonder where they have been hiding them all.

              No DC charging but at least they are 22kW AC capable so good town car.

          • Mainsail on 18/10/2020 - 15:35

            @justdigi: How much support our warranty are you really expecting from them?

            What guarantee for you have on the used battery capacity?

            • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 16:57

              @Mainsail:

              • Battery capacity >85%
              • 2 year battery degradation warranty
              • 6 month mechanical warranty
              • Dealer cars covered by Australian Consumer law
              • 30 day return policy
              • BlinkyBill on 18/10/2020 - 20:19

                @justdigi: I would be very careful of any "importers" warranty other than a manufacturer. The company that you are buying from will be a shelf company with zero in the way of assets for you go after if things go sideways, so why take the risk on something that is proven to be a shit system and Nissan Australia will be you getting 2/5ths of F/A in the way of support.

                I have imported multiple cars from Japan in the past and I'm in the process of importing one now. I'm under no sense of false security of any warranty that applies. I've checked the auction sheets, 4B, and looked at 50+ plus photos, checked the airbag recall is done, and hoping for the best.

          • BlinkyBill on 18/10/2020 - 18:26

            @justdigi: Have you budgeted 10K for a battery exchange, that Nissan Australia may or may not make available to you at the exchange price?

            • jackary on 18/10/2020 - 18:37
              +1

              @BlinkyBill: OP alluded to the fact that he will be importing the car from Japan via a dealer. If my previous experiences with Nissan Service are anything to go by, even if they are identical cars, Nissan will not touch the import with a 10 foot barge pole regardless of money. OP: have you actually called and asked Nissan if they would replace the battery should the need arise?

        • 1st-Amendment on 18/10/2020 - 16:54

          Or just stick with petrol or diesel, since that is much cheaper and works better.

        • zuuutoootuuu on 18/10/2020 - 19:46
          +1

          I disagree with what you're saying because the way you say it, it makes all look bad when that is not the case.
          Personally, I wouldn't touch the 2012 model that Nissan sold here because for not much more you can buy an import with a next gen battery that doesn't have issues like it's older brother.
          I bought one of the first 30kw that entered the country, it is 4 years old now, the battery is at 89% and done over 20k km. I charge to about 80%, don't plug it in unnecessarily, monitor how the car is doing on my phone and have no regrets.
          When the time comes to replace the battery, I will get one directly from Japan as it is much cheaper or even a good second hand one. The process to replace it is very easy.

          • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 20:35

            @zuuutoootuuu: The problem isn't the batteries. It's the BMS and the fact that it's air cooled.

            • Steptoe on 18/10/2020 - 21:26

              @[Deactivated]: Not even air cooled, unless you call wind under the car cooling.

            • Jackson on 18/10/2020 - 21:34

              @[Deactivated]: Air cooled =the battery (as opposed to the cells. The problem is the battery :) it's a problem, but it can still be economical when you factor the price of electricity vs petrol and servicing (which is virtually non existent)

          • netjock on 19/10/2020 - 10:37

            @zuuutoootuuu: Owner vs people who just regurgitate what is written in papers / forums + youtube people who want to make money from pumping out videos. I feel your pain.

  • AliKay on 18/10/2020 - 12:54
    +1

    Not related to this particular charger but just wanted to know if someone can guide me.

    I'll be building a new house soon and would like to have power provisioning in the garage to future proof if I buy an EV later on.

    Do I have to tell the builder to put a specific type of a power point or just a standard one?

    AliKay on 18/10/2020 - 12:54 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
    • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 12:58
      +7

      What we did was get the builder to put in a 32A separately fused circuit with a cover plate on the end. When the charger arrives any electrician can connect it. This circuit would support a Tesla charger or this advertised charger.

      • pegasusx on 18/10/2020 - 13:07

        Is a slow charger? Surprised my sisters place put in a 80A circuit from the main house to where the cars are parked.
        Telsa arranged sparkie said to future proof as faster chargers should be in the works and efficiency of the current ones are maxed out.

        • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 13:10
          +3

          Anything over 32A was 3-phase. This was the highest charging rate for single phase.

      • Dhandoftime on 18/10/2020 - 13:08
        +2

        How much did the builder charge you for the 32A fused circuit mate @justdigi?

        • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 13:11
          +6

          $345.45 ex GST.

  • Dhandoftime on 18/10/2020 - 12:55
    +3

    Should I buy this first or a Tesla first?

    • PassItOn on 18/10/2020 - 13:00
      +6

      If you are thinking that you will get a Tesla in some council clean up
      Then this first 😂

    • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 13:03
      +1

      No need for this if you by a Tesla new, they come with their proprietary charger.

      • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 13:08
        -1

        I think that's only the S and X, I'm not sure if the 3 does.

        • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 13:13

          Included with S, X and 3

          • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 13:17

            @justdigi: Ah ok cool

          • reecho on 18/10/2020 - 15:54

            @justdigi: I think with the recently announced Model 3 refresh Tesla only supply the UMC with the cars. The HPWC (or wallbox) isn't included any more.

            • [Deactivated] on 18/10/2020 - 16:02

              @reecho: That's what I thought

              • justdigi on 18/10/2020 - 17:12

                @[Deactivated]: My quote from Tesla after the price reduction announcement still includes it? Although I had previously gotten the quote and this was just an update with new pricing, so they may not have removed it.

                • MynyMouqe on 19/10/2020 - 19:40

                  @justdigi: You might have been lucky and caught the time between them updating the site / quote system - they don't include the HPWC any more, however it is only ~$750 to buy anyway (or you can buy new unused from people who have not installed them for $350-500).

          • capslock janitor on 19/10/2020 - 10:40

            @justdigi: Y not?

  • DoesntEvenMatter on 18/10/2020 - 13:12

    Don't waste your $ a sparky won't install this and this is something you'd want the COES for.

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