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[Preorder] Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson - $23.00 + $5.90 Shipping @ MightyApe
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djthornton on 28/11/2020 - 13:28 mightyape.com.au (1199 clicks)
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Ooooh controversial deal. Do you love equality, diversity, and inclusion? Hate the patriarchy? Think the gender pay gap is unfair and not a product of natural differences between men and women? Agree with new atheism (like Sam Harris) on the foundation of morals? Then you should probably look for another book- here, try this one instead - https://www.booktopia.com.au/a-left-that-dares-to-speak-its-…

If the above doesn't describe you, read on- thanks for making it this far! Love him or hate him JBP has certainly made a huge impact on our culture and the lives of many individuals. This book- "Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life" is a follow-up to his best seller, "12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos". This is pretty good for preorder price, comes to $28.90 after shipping so if you've been keeping your eye on any toys/games for Christmas, it's a good idea to bundle for the shipping price.

For reference Dymocks and QBD have a pre-order price (for the paperback version) of $35 and Booktopia has it listed for $31.75 all not including shipping. Book Depository has it for $31.33 including shipping but it's still $2.43 more expensive than this unless you wait for the next great Book Depository cashback deal. Current cashback at CR is 1.4% for existing customers, 8% for new customers - so even if you're a new customer you'll end up 17.4c ahead going via mighty ape and paying for shipping.

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        • Boogerman on 28/11/2020 - 16:31
          +9

          Just saw your other posts - so easy to pick

    • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2020 - 15:58
      +13

      Oh my god I just watched the Jim Jeffries thing. That's gold. Imagine your argument being so flimsy that some comedian can unravel it in three sentences.

      It's very clear that Peterson is one of those people that average people think is very intelligent, but academics etc see right through.

      • Boogerman on 28/11/2020 - 16:22
        +6

        “Imagine your argument being so flimsy that some comedian can unravel it in three sentences.”
        Bingo. So imagine how flimsy his book would be

    • Xizor on 28/11/2020 - 16:23
      +6

      That's a bit of a stretch. I've not watched a lot but i did watch those. The bloke isn't allowed to correct himself or evolve a view? We all do. Tempering principles to what is right for society is constantly evolving. I found it fascinating, and i am a massive sam harris fan. Jim Jefferies is a first rate professional bafoon, it's his job belittle and mock things at the expense of others (and if you've heard his slip ups you'd know how slippery he is). Principle, idealism, reality, in opinion we are better off having all of those people contributing to society. Elitism, censorship, we don't need.

      • Boogerman on 28/11/2020 - 16:26
        +3

        “The bloke isn't allowed to correct himself or evolve a view?”
        P1ss poor for someone academically trained - shows a lack of effortful thought, that his argument is deconstructed with little effort

        • Splatzzz on 28/11/2020 - 17:12
          +2

          Xizor, since this Jefferies thing years ago he has NEVER publicly stated that he might have been wrong about the uni law thing that made him big, except for in this video. So either he is being insincere OR he a) doesn't want to be wrong in public b) know his fans wont like that new take

          • Boogerman on 28/11/2020 - 18:05
            +4

            @Splatzzz: The correct answer is b)
            Which shows the insincerity of the guy

            It’s also why you hear people moan about Jim Jefferies becoming a ‘politically correct leftie’, claiming that he has ‘changed’ from when he didn’t give a stuff - they probably got involved in the pile on after he attacked their darling Avi Yemini & didn’t even know of him before that.
            As if someone like Billy Burr would do something remotely edgy as Jim Jefferies’ stand up bit on Bill Cosby (which, by the way, was brilliant!)

    • aja12 on 28/11/2020 - 16:40
      +2

      Getting a lecture on the topic of psychology and finding meaning in life from someone that thinks election voting should be scaled, can’t make independent decisions on simple things like which video game console to buy and gets confused by country road driving. Where can I find your memoir?

      • Boogerman on 28/11/2020 - 17:52
        +2

        Lol. People who think discussions on a bargain site has anything to do with rigorous debate.
        I admire your attempt to extrapolate though…

    • jalwa on 28/11/2020 - 19:12
      +2

      I did watch the debates and I am an atheist with a clear bias towards Harris' perspective, yet I didn't see him running intellectual rings around Peterson. I think it was a very respectfully conducted discussion. Especially like how they both presented each other's views to recap the previous day's debate.

      For me God loses the debate, but the old books probably do have some good, fundamental insights.

    • CalmLemons on 28/11/2020 - 22:38

      Links?

      You know that smart boy in school that gets picked on and is misunderstood by the world.

      • Boogerman on 29/11/2020 - 07:09
        +1

        Like Sam Harris? He has a PhD in neuroscience & has his own podcast. His videos are all over YouTube

    • fringe-benefits on 28/11/2020 - 23:24

      Agree. Loves to preach on matters of epistemology, medical science, 20th-century literary theory and political theory; quite evident he has ankle-deep knowledge of those disciplines. Cherry-picks individual studies and statistics to support his ill-informed worldview.

  • usernamechequesout on 28/11/2020 - 15:46
    +9

    To everyone negging this because they believe a drug addict etc. etc. can't give life advice nor be seen as an authority in this area you are exactly right.

    If my dentist has bad teeth they shouldn't be allowed to practice dentistry.
    If my doctor is a smoker they don't have the right to tell people not to smoke.
    If my personal trainer is overweight who are they to give advice about weight loss.

    I used to find it interesting that those who bragged about how accepting of others they were were also the first to pass judgement when something or someone didn't fit their agenda. Not really interesting anymore.

    Having read his first book I would say those who are casting the stones in his direction might be the ones who would benefit the most from reading the books.

    • mgexiled on 28/11/2020 - 15:49
      +2

      “There is a false saying: “How can someone who can’t save himself save others?” Supposing I have the key to your chains, why should your lock and my lock be the same?”

      ― Friedrich Nietzsche

    • 1st-Amendment on 28/11/2020 - 15:57
      +2

      Tolerance! But only if you agree with me!
      Diversity! But only if you think like me!
      Inclusion! But only if you're one of us!
      Hypocrisy! Oh hang on a sec…

    • CalmLemons on 28/11/2020 - 22:40
      +1

      Everybody negging it because 'drug addict' is a much easier label to apply than understand what Jordan is talking about.

      It is why we label political stances/parties left and right, despite both sharing some of the same views and principles, it sheerly easier for people to use as a label to blame, rather than quote the policies of each party.

  • trblvb on 28/11/2020 - 15:48
    +7

    Looks like OzBargain is the new Twitter/Facebook….I'm outa here.

  • lknight on 28/11/2020 - 15:49

    12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos - I enjoyed read this

  • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2020 - 16:00
    +3

    He still poppin rivos?

  • Guybrush57 on 28/11/2020 - 16:00
    +10

    Jordan may have gone through some tough times but I have found wisdom in a lot of his videos. I've been thinking about reading his first book for a while now.

  • urlaw on 28/11/2020 - 16:03
    +6

    I don't understand what is with the criticisms of JP. He offers a unique perspective on psychology and explains it to be applicable for most people. That is what he is able to offer and that the mainstream media has been trying to vilify him as he has offered different perspectives tells you that he has revealed significant truths that go against their agendas.

    In the whole, JP offers a lot of value to many people and to criticize him on the narrow portion of where he has made redundancies is simply narrow minded.

    • 1st-Amendment on 28/11/2020 - 16:23
      +6

      Peterson offers intelligence and data to support criticism of the left viewpoints so their only comeback is to shriek like the hysterical babies they are. If you're not careful they'll riot and burn down your shop…they'll show you…

      • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2020 - 16:38
        +19

        Your experience with 'the left' suggests you spend a bit too much time on the internet (specifically… US-based alt-right groups by the sound of it, and you linking a PragerU video) and haven't actually had a discussion with one in real life.

        Here I am… a massive leftie. We've had a few back and forths here. Haven't burnt anything down yet, have I?

        Stop trying to dehumanise and mock your "opponent" and you might find some more happiness in life mate.

        • athna on 28/11/2020 - 18:02
          +6

          great take mate, it seems that being on the right requires a massive amount of cognitive dissonance to hide from the fact they advocate for perpetual exploitation and hatred lol

      • PiratePete1911 on 28/11/2020 - 17:26
        +6

        It must make life so simple to have a villain you can blame the worlds problems on.

        Make sure you only get your news from facebook so you can keep that worldview going.

        • abuch47 on 28/11/2020 - 20:26
          +2

          Must be a UPS driver because they only turn to the right

    • Autonomic on 28/11/2020 - 16:25
      +14

      Maybe it comes from him doing podcasts and hosting discussions with Stefan Molyneux, an actual white supremacist? Is that an understandable criticism?

      • urlaw on 28/11/2020 - 17:35
        +2

        That is insinuating that having Alex Jones on Joe Rogan makes Joe being able to be criticized? We may as well not have discussions to find the solution in the matters and just 'label' people accordingly to come to conclusions?

        The left does dominates the mainstream media (US predominantly) that has tried to put JP on the stake but when given the same treatment from being shown their flaws end up using the victim mentality.

        • Autonomic on 28/11/2020 - 17:43
          +6

          What does this have to do with Alex Jones or Joe Rogan? I don't see why it's so hard to just admit you shouldn't be hosting discussions or making podcasts with white supremacists. That's a very low bar to clear.

          • urlaw on 28/11/2020 - 17:52

            @Autonomic: You didn't answer the question, imagine if 60 Minutes had Alex Jones on. Based off your argument, this means that you could criticize 60 Minutes for having a guest on the program.

            • Autonomic on 28/11/2020 - 18:25
              +6

              @urlaw: If they collaborated with a white supremacist to produce content for a white supremacists youtube channel then yes I would criticise 60 minutes.

    • fringe-benefits on 28/11/2020 - 23:27
      +1

      He’s vocally anti-abortion rights, citing theories of fetal consciousness he has little grasp on; he goes on the US airwaves and broadcasts to the millions that there’s never been oppression of women in history (because he can memorise and quote select statistics on men’s suicide rates and men’s casualty rates in wars); he labels progressive politics as ‘postmodernist’ Marxism or socialism (we heard a similar line in Trump’s recent campaign). (Copying this over here from separate thread)

      • zombrex on 29/11/2020 - 02:16
        +1

        Again not true and an unfair misrepresentation of his views.
        He has said he believes abortion morally wrong but while acknowledged it is a very complicated issue. And certainly I have not seen him advocating to ban it at all. And guess what many people agree with his view that terminating the life of a living being is wrong.
        Nothing about that is far right, or extreme at all.

  • Belv on 28/11/2020 - 16:08
    +3

    just goes to show how evil lefty's are. instead of respecting a man that published a successful book and just leaving it be, snowflake lefty's swarm in insulting the man and trying to destabilize the comments. but hey it's the radical right that are the problem……

    • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2020 - 16:25
      +2

      The left always silences, demonizes, and is the side of cancel culture and they are never up for any meaningful discussion or present facts. Its all about appearing to be offended with fake outrage to earn clout with their fellow lefties.

      Facism always comes from the left.

      • PiratePete1911 on 28/11/2020 - 17:31
        +9

        Is this satire? I can name a few cases of far right facism.

        You might not have heard of them as they took place during the little known conflict known as world war two.

        • Iwantthebestprice on 28/11/2020 - 20:11
          +5

          Oh that's right, if your not left you must be a nazi, white supremacist etc etc, rather then have a logical reply you go for the left 101 handbook if someone disagrees call them racist, nazi, far right and so on, gets old quickly….

          • PiratePete1911 on 28/11/2020 - 20:13
            +3

            @Iwantthebestprice: Did you reply to the wrong comment? The guy above me said Facism always comes from the far left so I gave an example saying that isnt true.

            What are you trying to say?

  • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2020 - 16:17
    +1

    I'm really not understanding the controversy here. Maybe stop been a woke virtual signally social justice warrior circle jerking clout chasing leftard and actually watch the guys videos and do some research. Nothing he says is controversal and he has helped lots of people better their lives. Did you Lefties formulate your own option or did you take a Betoota Advocate article as a fact?

    • Xizor on 28/11/2020 - 16:30
      +3

      It's sad just how much modern day lefties have in common with national socialist policies that rose in germany in the 40s. Turn a blind eye cos its your own side, the ends justify the means, principles only apply when convenient. And of course, silence everyone who disagrees.

      • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2020 - 16:35
        +3

        Yep. Its always funny watching the 'tolerent' left shut down anyone they don't agree with. Its also funny they are in gangs but can never argue 1 on 1 with someone using facts and need a mob behind them to get their point through. Typical bully and facist behavior.

        • doobes on 28/11/2020 - 16:57
          +10

          It's funny how rwnjs make up complete and utter falsehoods and pass it on as fact every single time they "debate", throw around fascism and socialism (without knowing what either actually means) and close it out with a bit of "trying to shut us down".

          • [Deactivated] on 29/11/2020 - 16:40
            +2

            @doobes: Fascism is a common word used on the left when you don’t agree with them. I know exactly what socialism is, and as history has proven, it’s garbage.

    • Splatzzz on 28/11/2020 - 17:15
      +5

      I watched a dozen vids when I was a-political, and even back then he did nothing for me but support the world's status quo in fancy words and repackage common religious morals & self help mantra's

  • odysseus on 28/11/2020 - 16:20
    +4

    So, basically he admitted his first book is a poor work and incomplete.

    You can't have 12 rules, and them some time later decide there's another 12 rules. Unless it's just a money making venture.

  • syousef on 28/11/2020 - 16:30
    +24

    Peterson is dangerous and is an example of what happens when a good orator's ego is overfed.

    It isn't that he's not intelligent in his own areas of expertise. It's that he believes he has found the answers, and is happy to speak in absolutes on areas well outside of his expertise, even when there is plenty of proof that he is wrong provided by experts within that field. For example he is a climate change denier.

    His arrogance leaves little room for empathy for anyone with an opposing point of view or moral compass. He has found a cult like following by standing up against extreme "left" views like forced use of gender pronouns with the possible penalties of job loss, financial ruin or even jail if you fail to comply. However he fails to think outside his own religion based morality and will push his views regardless of new information.

    Of course some of his advice can work in some situations, and that is what he relies on to sell his book - some of his moral pontification strikes a chord. But he presents a set of overly simplistic rules that work for everyone and every situation. Real life is not that simple, and nor are real people. These are the same shortcuts that appeal to all intellectually lazy people who want quick fixes and read self help book after self help book believe the answers to their problems are just a matter of taking on more and more simple rules. One very real danger is that failing to adhere to his rules in situations where people cannot is seen as a failing of the person instead of leading to a re-evaluation of the rules.

    Engage in this cult of personality at your peril. Anyone claiming to have a set of absolute rules to live by is a fool or a liar.

    Now I'll sit back and wait for the downvotes, even though my views are genuiine, well thought out, and I've given his ramblings plenty of time in the past (too much). I just can't wait to be called another name by you guys.

    • Xizor on 28/11/2020 - 16:32
      +2

      Gumbi? :)

    • skinnywombat on 28/11/2020 - 16:53
      +1

      Fair point on the cult of personality. I haven’t read the new book, so can’t comment on that. I’d agree that calling them rules is a bit over the top. But do you have any criticism of any specific parts of his books?

      • syousef on 28/11/2020 - 16:57
        +3

        I did have. In fact point by point on the last book. But I haven't looked at his stuff for some time, so I'd have a hard time digging up those comments (mostly on Youtube). There are plenty of better writers who analyze work like his professionally so you won't have to do much googling to find valid criticisms from people who aren't extremists.

      • Skinnerr on 28/11/2020 - 20:14
        +1

        But do you have any criticism of any specific parts of his books?

        Nahhhh, I just love to snipe ad hominems at people.

    • strugglestreet on 28/11/2020 - 18:04
      +2

      sir, this is a Wendy's

      • Popid on 28/11/2020 - 20:28

        THE THREAD lol (but I'm as guilty or guiltier than anyone hah)

    • Skinnerr on 28/11/2020 - 19:51
      +4

      TDIL Reading a book = joining a cult.

    • Vulvasaur on 29/11/2020 - 13:54

      You've mistaken his stubbornness for arrogance. That's why you have built up this image in your head of him as an egotistical, closeminded bigot. It's okay man, easy mistake to make.

  • bigbadboogieman on 28/11/2020 - 17:14

    And I thought there was only one rule…

  • unelectric on 28/11/2020 - 17:22
    +4

    It's hard to get excited about someone that often talks about things with partial or incomplete knowledge. For all his talk about "post modern neo marxism" he hasn't actually read beyond The Communist Manifesto (which is 23 pages in length). How can you trust what he says about anything (beyond his field of expertise)?

  • donkcat on 28/11/2020 - 17:32
    +6

    So can someone explain to me how a book that is approx $2.85 cheaper than the next best makes the front page and has 155 positive votes at the time of writing this?

    • PiratePete1911 on 28/11/2020 - 17:42
      +10

      Because there is a group of people out there that think they are really sticking it to some sort of all powerful leftist boogieman by giving a millionaire more money he doesnt need for a book they arent going to read.

      • Valowick on 28/11/2020 - 18:55
        +3

        Not defending this but he is a bestselling author and it’s a sequel to his bestselling book. It’s not hard to understand that.

        • PiratePete1911 on 28/11/2020 - 19:08
          +5

          Yes but in terms of it being an actual deal its quite poor, its a saving of a dollar or two on a pre-order of a book that isnt out for 4 months.

          This would be nowhere near as highly rated if the author was not controversial.

          • Popid on 28/11/2020 - 20:31

            @PiratePete1911: Hadn't even really occurred to me to be honest whether it was a deal or not lol. Just been arguing stuff with people and yes I did upvote it hmm. Point taken

  • RexLongfellow on 28/11/2020 - 17:34
    +1

    Ugh. To each his own I guess.

  • dealsucker on 28/11/2020 - 17:54
    +9

    Amazing is the amount of hate that some have for a guy who speaks his mind, with facts, logic, rationale and is one of the greatest thinker of our time. If anything I think political correctness will be the downfall of the western civilisation as we know it. If you can't see it, you will, soon enough.

    P.S. Watch his video's on youtube and tell me what you disagree with and we can have a reasonable discussion. While you are at it, watch his interview with Cathy Newman. Majority radical left is no different and they are fascists when it comes to any alternate point of view that does not align with theirs.

    • Boogerman on 28/11/2020 - 18:12
      +5

      “… one of the greatest thinker of our time…”
      P1sser. Oprah Winfrey is an intellectual titan too…

    • doobes on 28/11/2020 - 18:12
      +12

      you fall under the same trap he does.
      "a guy who speaks his mind, with facts, logic, rationale and is one of the greatest thinker of our time" is an opinion with no facts to back it up with.

      "If anything I think political correctness will be the downfall of the western civilisation" seeing as you believe the above, this is irrelevant as your opinion is worth nothing.

      "Watch his video's on youtube and tell me what you disagree with and we can have a reasonable discussion."

      Cherry pick "facts" from studies, blogs, toilet musings.
      Manipulate them so as they seem to form some sort of pre defined narrative.
      Rinse repeat.
      You too can be this clown.

    • ForkSnorter on 28/11/2020 - 21:45
      +3

      Facts? You mean: “some of the facts’. Peterson only cites the portion of the evidence that is conducive his arguments. He neglects to mention any evidence that is contrary to his arguments. He also interprets the hell out of the the evidence that he does cite, again to support his arguments. It’s astonishing that he doesn’t catch himself out doing it. This kind of approach is contrary to scientific principles and is therefore likely to consistently veer sideways of truth.

    • defecat0r on 28/11/2020 - 21:47
      +1

      Watch any video in which JP is talking about God, then tell me he's speaking his mind with logic and reason.On the "god" topic, there's nothing but sophistry and misdirection through redefining words.
      He gets a lot of things right in his area of expertise, but it's hearing him on this topic that leads me to believe that JP is is the most pretentious of all nobbers.

  • henryph-am on 28/11/2020 - 18:11
    +7

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-valuable-things-ever…
    This is from a quora link someone above posted, so prolly the 12 would be from this?

    Tell the truth.
Do not do things that you hate.
Act so that you can tell the truth about how you act.
Pursue what is meaningful, not what is expedient.
If you have to choose, be the one who does things, instead of the one who is seen to do things.
Pay attention.
Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you need to know. Listen to them hard enough so that they will share it with you.
Plan and work diligently to maintain the romance in your relationships.
Be careful who you share good news with.
Be careful who you share bad news with.
Make at least one thing better every single place you go.
Imagine who you could be, and then aim single-mindedly at that.
Do not allow yourself to become **arrogant** or resentful.
Try to make one room in your house as beautiful as possible.
Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today.
Work as hard as you possibly can on at least one thing and see what happens.
If old memories still make you cry, write them down carefully and completely.
Maintain your connections with people.
**Do not carelessly denigrate social institutions or artistic achievement.**
Treat yourself as if you were someone that you are responsible for helping.
Ask someone to do you a small favour, so that he or she can ask you to do one in the future.
Make friends with people who want the best for you.
Do not try to rescue someone who does not want to be rescued, and be very careful about rescuing someone who does.
Nothing well done is insignificant.
Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world.
Dress like the person you want to be.
Be precise in your speech.
Stand up straight with your shoulders back.
Don't avoid something frightening if it stands in your way -- and don't do unnecessarily dangerous things.
Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them.
Do not transform your wife into a maid.
Do not hide unwanted things in the fog.
Notice that opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated.
Read something written by someone great.
Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street.
Do not bother children when they are skateboarding.
Don't let bullies get away with it.
Write a letter to the government if you see something that needs fixing -- and propose a solution.
Remember that what you do not yet know is more important than what you already know.
Be grateful in spite of your suffering.

    Tbh, on a surface, there is nothing inherently right-wing, anti- ( equality, diversity, and inclusion) and pro-patriarchy about those ( not talking into account JP's view on other stuffs, or his explanation in the book as I don't read them). But at the same time, most of the above are just common sense? I don't think it'll add anything into your life. Frankly, some of the above are quite funny considering PJ wrote and sold them to you while he clearly doesn't practice what he preaches

    • doobes on 28/11/2020 - 18:15
      +14

      "Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them." His parents failed spectacularly.
      "Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world." No words.
      and the rest is crap his grandma told him or ripped from others or stuff my 3 yr old knows or complete nonsense.

    • Popid on 28/11/2020 - 20:44
      +1

      Anything that is merely commonsense WILL add something to your life if you currently LACK COMMON SENSE hah. As a lotta people do. As I do, at times. A lot of the time. It really doesn't hurt to be reminded of fundamental truths or how your sometimes simple choice of behavior can be easily changed to affect your mood or sense of self or sense of being in the world (and this is from someone who is critical of CBT as a therapy because of it's simplism and lack of commitment to truth etc) One thing I took away from his Quora post literally was his 'pet a cat when u see it on the street' - almost always done it since, and almost always felt better for it (never felt WORSE for it.) Is that 'common sense'? Maybe but how many people remember or bother in the stress of day to day life to do it? It is REALLY EASY to go walk past a mewing cat; but you'll pay for it, one way or another (I'm being largely facetious hah) And of course it isn't intended to be interpreted as just literally the cat - HEY, it could be a dog, it could be a possum ;) (and one night I did drunk-[pat a possum, which actually is AGAINST common sense, but I GOT AWAY with it, he was a good boi, and I felt great so. lol) it could mean to just… pay attention and don't pass up little opportunities to (re)connect with nature and your own nature. Which is simplistic sure yeh I guess. So I guess let's forget about that, n sit alone in our little rooms with our bigger n bigger tvs and doomscroll twitter and be like "ONE THING THAT GUY SAID IS I SHOULD PAT A CAT LOL, SO WISDOM"

      maybe I'm just specially mentally ill tho cos I like it in tv shows or asmr videos or anything where someone says 'breathe' and I go - OH YEH, I should do that lol

    • ChadHominem on 28/11/2020 - 21:32
      +3

      "Read something written by someone great"

      So something written by someone else then?

    • the urbanite on 28/11/2020 - 21:33
      +4

      Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world.

      Peterson is right. Students like Joshua Wong from Occupy Hong Kong should focus on their studies and obey their parents rather pointlessly fight against the CCP. Thats what he believes right?

      Oh, wait. Peterson only has a problem with western protestors like BLM challenging the status quo.

    • cryptos on 28/11/2020 - 21:48

      You forgot:

      "drugs are bad, m'kay, so, if you do drugs, you're bad, m'kay, because drugs are bad. they can hurt your body, m'kay, cause drugs are bad, m'kay… “

      Mr. mackey

    • Autonomic on 29/11/2020 - 11:43

      All his "rules" are boring platitudes. The only reason anyone supports him are because of his anti-left wing stances on things like climate change, gay marriage, women being allowed in the workplace, religion, gender identity and so on. There may also be a smattering of suckers who fall for any other self-help guru/scam artist.

      • pegaxs on 01/12/2020 - 08:53

        Omg, what left wing antifa site did you cut and paste that from? Lol.

        • Autonomic on 01/12/2020 - 21:37

          Re-tweeting climate change denialists:https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/20/jordan-b-peterson-climate-change-denier-faux-lover-of-science/

          Claiming being called a climate denier is only done to call someone a holocaust denier (?):https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/20/jordan-b-peterson-climate-change-denier-faux-lover-of-science/

          Against gay marriage because it's pushed by radical neo marxists and is bad for the kids they raise:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jef2C4T1_A

          Women can't work with men in the workplace:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9dZSlUjVls

          Also contains the infamous "Women wearing make up or high heels are hypocrites for complaining about sexual harassment in the workplace"

          Christian values:https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8m21kw/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor/dzkjg5u/?context=8&depth=9

          Gender identity: He literally got famous by not wanting to call people their preferred pronouns

          • pegaxs on 01/12/2020 - 22:00

            @Autonomic: You're saying all that like I give a (fropanity).

            I don't give a rats arse about the guy or his ideas… But I do love the way he just tears apart journalists who think they can pull it over him. I especially like it when some feminist "wage gap" sprouting, "everyone who doesn't agree with me is a neo-Nazi" stereotypical types try to interview him and he just runs rings around them, making them look like the idiots they are.

            Almost every interview I have seen him in is just interviewers stooping to nothing more than strawmen, ad hominem or reducto ad hitlerum questioning.

            And did you even watch the video on gay marriage? Or did you just google "Jordan Peterson gay marriage" and post the first link it coughed up hoping it backed up what you are trying to be offended by? It's typical for haters of something to not research anything and just cough up link after link after link without vetting any of it or to take the first sentance out of it and use that as the basis for the whole comment piece.

            The guy is a God tier leftist/femenist troller of epic proportions and ya'll taking his bait.

            *sips quietly from my "Penguin Publishing Employee's Tears" mug*

  • Ononono on 28/11/2020 - 18:21
    +1

    Ever since his daughter started taking advantage of him his reputation went down the toilet, it's a sad situation.

    • Strahany on 28/11/2020 - 18:26
      +10

      It’s a very disturbing and sad situation. The people taking glee in the extremely unfortunate circumstances in which this supposedly “evil” man finds himself, then they need to do some solid introspection.

      No good person would ever find so much happiness in the misfortune of someone for having differing ideas to you. Not a murderer. Not a warmonger. Not a genocidal maniac. Just someone with different ideas; someone you can simply ignore and your life is no different, yet people are happy he is suffering. That’s just not acceptable.

      • Skinnerr on 28/11/2020 - 18:36
        +5

        "We are who we are in the dark."

      • johnwinkle on 28/11/2020 - 19:15
        +4

        No good person would ever find so much happiness in the misfortune of someone for having differing ideas to you

        That's ironic when his views and his followers views revolve around outdated views around discriminating against others for gender and sexuality :)

        • Strahany on 28/11/2020 - 19:37
          +4

          I’m not entirely familiar with his work. Could you please provide some examples?

          • Autonomic on 30/11/2020 - 10:21
            -1

            @Strahany: Hosting discussions & podcasts with Stefan Molyneux, an actual white supremacist?

            • payton on 30/11/2020 - 10:38

              @Autonomic: Nice try at guilt by association fallacy there.

              Joe Rogan hosted podcosts with Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux, Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes, Charles C. Johnson, and Sargon of Akkad
              Therefore, Joe Rogan holds the same worldview as all those people he interviewed, he symphatises with their cause or are in agreement with them - according to your fallacy.

              ABC hosted a militant feminist who advocated killing men, therefore ABC is in support of men being murdered.
              See the problem here?

              Maybe try elevate your thinking above regurgitating shameless leftist ad hominems, and put actual examples requested by Strahany..

              • Autonomic on 30/11/2020 - 11:58

                @payton: I never said JP was a white supremacist. But he clearly has no problem helping them create content. Why would you go and have a positive discussion with a white supremacist in the first place?

                I don't know what feminist you're referring to but if the ABC went and helped make content for a white supremacist then they'd face the same criticism.

                • payton on 30/11/2020 - 12:42
                  +1

                  @Autonomic:

                  Hosting discussions & podcasts with Stefan Molyneux, an actual white supremacist?
                  I never said JP was a white supremacist.
                  Oh he also hosts discussion and podcasts with Stefan Molyneux, an actual white supremacist.

                  You tried to insinuate and link JP to Stefan Molyneux and white supremacy several times already in this thread
                  Add this little gem below, and your intention is quite clear. Come up with actual examples and refutal of what Jordan said, instead of trying to smear someone's reputation through dirty tactics.

                  Why would you go and have a positive discussion with a white supremacist in the first place?

                  Why would ABC's Q&A invite a feminist who incited violence in the first place?
                  Why are you very insistent in linking Stefan's reputation and worldview to that of JP?

                  Could you please provide some examples?

                  Since you chimed in to strahany's thread, maybe provide the examples they asked for …. or are you just drawing a blank face here, no clue whatsoever ?
                  What was it that was being discussed between them that you'd like to call out specifically, or is your entire argument: 'stefan white supremacist bad, therefore jordan bad!'

                  • Autonomic on 30/11/2020 - 14:10

                    @payton:

                    Why are you very insistent in linking Stefan's reputation and worldview to that of JP?

                    He's linked it himself. He went on his show. He's made content for him. How else should one interpret these actions if not a tacit endorsement of white supremacist Stefan Molyeneux? Do you have no issue with this?

                    • payton on 30/11/2020 - 17:08

                      @Autonomic: I just don't buy into the premise you suggested on face value.
                      As I said, Joe Rogan hosts interviews and podcasts with Stefan and people like Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, Gavin McInnes.
                      The latter three are way bigger firebrands and 'far right' than JP ever could be. That doesn't make Joe into a supremacist or anything of the sort, neither does JP by simply talking to Stefan. That might be diffferent if you show me JP and Stefan high fiving while yelling out 'white powah!' but until then :P

                      Joe actually did well, signed a $100m deal with Spotify for his interviews/podcasts, maybe because people find his chats with non mainstream figureheads to be … an experience?

                      Personally, I don't get why the far left are so worried about JP writing books and giving speeches. If their principles are sound and 'just' why are they worried about people tuning in on the opposing views. Maybe the fairness, equality, social justice and all the shtick they espouse don't match what they actually do in real life? - ie doxing people's personal info to do some harassment and direkt aktionn, trying to ambush and sucker punch a man and getting wrecked instead, witch hunts and brigading on individuals not aligned to their ideology.

                      Or that their concept of tolerance is 'tolerance only for people I agree with'
                      I'm glad they'll never get the justice system administered likewise.

                      • Autonomic on 30/11/2020 - 18:06

                        @payton:

                        That might be diffferent if you show me JP and Stefan high fiving while yelling out 'white powah!' but until then :P

                        So you genuinely have no issue with him creating content with a white supremacist? You think in no way it suggests he's OK with those positions? What's the alternative here? Stefan Molyeneux is a white supremacist. Most people find that repugnant and wouldn't even want to be in the same room as him.

        • zombrex on 28/11/2020 - 20:40
          +2

          What an ignorant and totally out of reality claim.
          You are proving you have literally no idea but what he espouses.
          You must get the entirety of your information from left wing echo chambers.

  • fringe-benefits on 28/11/2020 - 18:50
    +7

    Jordan Petersen is a pseudo-intellectual; broadcasts hard-right wing opinions but admits he’s not an expert on any of the issues he evangelises – from the science behind fetal development and abortion to 20th-century political theory. He has a shallow understanding of the issues he talks so authoritatively about.

    Choose someone else to follow if you believe in free speech and the other tenets of liberalism. I don’t like where the left is heading in the West, but Jordan Petersen’s reactionary politics is even more damaging.

    • Skinnerr on 28/11/2020 - 20:26
      +4

      He has a shallow understanding of the issues he talks so authoritatively about.

      Ok. But he's out there at the coalface. Spreading the word.

      Who cares?

      Everyone. If you don't back up your argument then you're just empty.

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