People smoking in no-smoking zones?

Has anyone else noticed this recently or has it always been common? It's like security is too busy enforcing all the COVID runaround regulations so they haven't bothered enforcing no-smoking laws.

AFAIK all hospital grounds are supposed to be smoke-free yet I see a lot of nurses and patients sitting casually next to the entrance lighting up.

This also happens at my workplace where a lot of people sit and smoke right in front of a no-smoking sign. When told not to smoke there, they walk 2 metres to their car, sit inside, open the window and smart smoking from their vehicle.

I even saw someone smoking in the middle of a crowded outdoor shopping centre walkway.

This isn't anything new for smokers since they've always been rather inconsiderate but I feel like the rules used to be enforced a lot better. Have people just stopped giving a **** since all the COVID drama?

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      • +1

        I have had a smoker try and fight me in the middle of the day because said I don't smoke and didn't have any.

  • +2

    Unfortunately people don't follow the rules or even common sense. I see nurses and doctors crossing a quadruple lane highway less than 10 meters from a pedestrian crossing every single day. All because they are too lazy to walk a little extra. You would think people that work with victims or road trauma would take safety a little more seriously.

    • +2

      Or pushing the button at a pedestrian crossing at traffic lights, walking across when the man is red, then it turns green and people are stopped at a red light for nothing?
      Or small suburban shopping strips that have changed to 40km/hr which people think entitles them to be able to just walk out into the incoming traffic?
      /rant

  • -3

    This is why
    Since covid, we have all turned into government compliant beings
    We are now brainwashed into monitoring non compliance with state guidelines, most of which aren’t even law.
    Our vulnerable mindsets are so susceptible at a primal level we’ve homed in on all this.
    People have always smoked in no smoking areas
    People have always disobeyed the rules
    It’s just that now we’ve been manipulated to be hypersensitive to any breach of protocol

    • +4

      People have always been murdered, slavery had existed for decades, "cheating" was never a big deal…. What's the fuss right, you've been brainwashed.

    • +1

      I've seen this happening for a while, even prior to COVID. There seems to be a shift toward obedience of even the most inane rules. We are so quick to dob on each other for things that we would likely do ourselves. It doesn't make sense to me, as society seems content with watering down religious guidelines, dismantling social constructs and requesting accountability from authorities. Yet, we panic when the neighbours have music playing at 12:01am or if someone leaves their cat out at night.

      In saying that, I am a smoker and I can see how some of us come off as inconsiderate. I do, however, think most smokers do feel some level of shame when they smoke and act in a manner that kind of shields their habit. Many people on this forum probably have co-workers who are frequent smokers, yet take steps to hide it. Hence, the good smokers are effectively invisible.

      We know it's bad for us, but I also think that most people have a vice, be it food, lack of exercise, alcohol or the like.

  • +6

    Smokers come in all shapes and forms just like every other type of person. Some seem over entitled which gives the whole group a bad name. Just like Vegans who are probably the polar opposite. If somebody is doing something illegal or morally wrong it needs to be called out. If somebody is vilifying every member of a minority that needs to be called out too. There are laws for such things. If you want to make a difference contact the controlling body of the place you feel needs attention and let them do their job. Personal vilification and gross generalisations are not the way to go. Oh and smoking is bad mkay?

    • -7

      I agree but let's not pretend that smokers are not wholly an inconsiderate bunch. It's not just a few people within the hobby, it's the majority of them. This is why we needed such harsh laws in the first place.

      When parks are littered with thousands of discarded cigarette butts, it's not the work of a few smokers passing through, it's 99% of smokers who passed through.

      • +5

        I know a lot of smokers and not one of them is as you describe. Some of which I didn’t know smoked for some time as they disguised even the smell of it on them very well. I don’t smoke and dislike being around it but the people I know are very self aware of how other people might see them. It’s as though they have to over compensate for the stereotype that is described by many. I’m old enough to remember when smoking was promoted and believe me things are 1000’s of percent better now. I worked in hospo and would wake up every morning with the smell on my pillow and my workplace stunk of it and was like a fog to work in. The streets used to be full of smokers’ litter. Not so today. What you see is from a few bad apples. It’s a case of a few giving the rest a bad name - or mean spirited people over generalising - again.

      • +2

        No it isn't. The vast majority are considerate, like drivers. But the 1% that break the rules are the ones you notice.
        Stop generalising and painting everyone with the same brush. Ever notice you never get invited to parties?

    • Honestly, SlavOz's choice of phrasing in every post in this thread makes me think the post was a ruse to try and stir up shit against smokers.

      As entitled/inconsiderate etc smokers may be, this has brought out quite a few angry sanctimonious "non-smokers" out of the woodwork spewing vitriol willy-nilly. So @SlavOz, I'm guessing the mission was a success?

      Full Disclosure: Used to smoke. Quit about 6 years ago.

  • +12

    Discarded cigarette butts is one of the worst. Visual eyesore, pollutes the environment and a potential fire hazard.

    • What about smashed beer bottles.

  • It's time to give a little slack for these front line workers…. don't you think?
    They are in a highly stressful position and working extremely hard.
    Maybe, just maybe, this little 5min break, allows them the opportunity to "re-set" so they can commence once agin in saving lives like your own, and all others.

    Cut some slack!

    • +9

      You realise that second-hand smoke from other people's cigarettes can kill you right? I don't think it's fair to say that nurses deserve a break from saving lives by endangering lives.

      • -3

        Mate a bit of secondhand smoke ain't going to kill you. You realise you live in a city right? Guess what the amount of crap pumped out by cars everyday you're breathing that in.

        • Yes, some things are inevitable if you live in the city, but people can at least try to be considerate; you wouldn't go live on a deserted island because you don't like neighbours partying loudly until 3am every day.

          • +1

            @diamond:

            you wouldn't go live on a deserted island because you don't like neighbours partying loudly until 3am every day.

            Trust me, if it were an option I would. I probably would even without partying neighbours.

      • +4

        You realise that second-hand smoke from other people's cigarettes can kill you right?

        Lol.

        • +1

          I wonder what they think of exhaust fumes? Walking along a busy street would have you breathing in far more carcinogens than walking past a whole crowd of smokers. Unless these people complaining drive an EV, they're all hypocrites in my eyes.

          • @pizzip: Yep, I'm equally cautious of car fumes. That's why I live in a very secluded area far away from main roads. When I walk past a busy street, I try to stay mindful of how much I inhale, especially with large trucks or buses spitting out diesel fumes.

            Regular petrol cars not as much of an issue as far as I know…the fumes separate and dissolve in the air quite quickly. Diesel on the other hand releases much more dense fumes which stick together and can infiltrate your lungs very easily.

      • +1

        They're almost exclusively vaping in the UK, where it's actually encouraged by GPs.
        Here? We're all treated like children to protect parents who can't control their actual children.

    • They might be in high-stress jobs but that doesn't give them the right to become hypocrites and not be judged for it. Remember that having a right to do something doesn't absolve you from the consequences. If you don't want to be judged then do it privately without publicity. I'm not saying they can't smoke but if they don't want to be judged by it (just like any other person) then don't do it publicly and especially don't do it in a manner which is breaking the law.

      Those in the health profession should hold themselves to a higher standard. It's hard to tell someone not to do something bad when you do it yourself.

  • use rule 303

  • +4

    Really common in public services areas.

    As long as they don't trash the buds everywhere or blow smoke into kids faces, all good.

    People gotta do what they gotta do.

  • Was never enforced pre covid

  • +6

    There goes Karen at it again.

  • +6

    Every day I see people smoking in front of No Smoking signs e.g. near building entrances where it's impossible to enter or exit without getting a lungful of their smoke. And people smoking while walking down a crowded street .. you have to inhale their smoke for the entire walk unless you run to pass them (but there's always another one in front of them anyway).
    It may not have immediate health impacts for most people, but some people do have illnesses where cigarette smoke can do more harm - and they might not want to be in busy areas for that reason but have to because so many essential services are concentrated in the CBD. No one is saying don't smoke, just please don't do so in a way that's impossible for others to avoid your smoke.

  • +12

    The smokers who light up among a crowd waiting to cross at traffic lights really piss me off. They seriously do not GAF.

    • -7

      None smoker here. Doesn't bother me at all.

      • +14

        None smoker here. It bothers me.

        There you go, another totally irrelevant anecdote that cancels out yours.

        • -2

          Non smoker here, only thing that bothers me is others trying to dictate how others live and behave.

          Don’t smoke, never have, hopefully never will.

          People need to take personal responsibility though. If you don’t care to be around smokers, stay home, stop burdening society with your presence.

          • +2

            @MorriJ: Okay I'll bite. Why do we have rules in a free society? Why teach etiquette, why learn to be considerate of others, why have laws and social rules and lessons around common courtesy that "dictate how others live and behave" instead of letting people be free to do whatever they please since if others don't like it they can stay home or live on a deserted island? Why wear earphones on the train when you can blast music from JBL speakers - if people don't like it wouldn't they stay home? I'm sure you have and will continue to enjoy the many protections some of the rules and social norms offer you despite your views.

            • -1

              @diamond: We don't have laws preventing you lighting up a cigarette waiting at the lights. To have a law like that would be the very definition of controlling people and being a nanny state which is something I am not cool with.

              We also don't have etiquette rules around lighting up walking across a road.

              The fact people think they have the standing to whinge when people are acting in a legal way, courteous or not is where I find there is a problem.

              I'm sure you have and will continue to enjoy the many protections some of the rules and social norms offer you despite your views.

              I didnt ask for a change in rules? Someone else might have, but i never asked for a change in rules.

              I don't have an issue with a smoker lighting up near me. I take personal responsbility for myself. If I keep putting myself in that situation and I get myself lung cancer, it's my issue - my responsbility, my problem.

              • @MorriJ: So you don't ever have any problems with someone doing something inconsiderate, discourteous, and selfish, since it's legal? What if everyone in society started doing inconsiderate, discourteous, and selfish but legal things and expected others to take personal responsibility by staying home instead of working/being an active member of society if they have a problem with such behaviour? Where would that take us?

  • +6

    I never in a million years thought I would be defending smokers but seriously the negative comments here are way out of synch with reality. Some people need to get a life and adjust their attitudes to people who are not like them. I would argue that this anger is not just aimed at smokers who are an easy target. You can avoid people smoking pretty easily unless you like being upset by the choices, good or bad, of others.

    • +3

      I don't know, I try pretty hard every day to avoid people smoking but it's hard. They're at entrances to many buildings, many walk briskly in front of me so I have to run to pass them etc. I wish I knew a way to avoid them.

      • +4

        Hold your breath?

        • +1

          I do that! Same when near a car spewing out strong fumes.

    • +3

      It can be hard to avoid them because the smoke infects the surrounding areas. I have a neighbour three houses away and I have to keep windows shut on that side of my house because otherwise it reeks of smoke inside my own house. So yeah, it’s easy enough to close the windows but should I have to keep them closed? Have you ever lived in an apartment complex where the smokers above you drop their butts down into your space all the time. Not because they hate you but because they are inconsiderate?

  • +2

    People smoking in no-smoking zones?

    No, it's not allowed.

    Either give up the habit, or go smoke in a smoking zone…

  • +1

    I never thought I’d live to see the day SlavOz became a fan of the ‘left wing hippie nanny state’ crowd calling for the restriction on people’s freedoms and demanding enforcement which restrict my LiBeRtY. Wake up sHeEpLe, tobacco is not bad for you, it’s a government conspiracy to steal your TaXeS.

    (Firmly tongue in cheek)

  • -1

    None smoker here, I think the rules are far too strict. It's super annoying not being able to eat in outdoor areas now that they're been designated smoking zones. Plenty of pubs and cafes enforce this.

    I honestly didn't mind eating whilst breathing in a bit of dissipated smoke in the past.

    • In NSW they have to enforce it but as they don't like losing business, I have seen plenty of places come up with a creative solution.
      They have few tables outside where they have displayed signs saying 'no food and drinks allowed'. Now it's not an 'outdoor eating area' anymore and people are free to smoke there.
      Of course there is no law against disobeying 'no food and drinks allowed' sign, people are free to smoke and eat there.

  • +3

    I used to see it on a daily occurrence. People blatantly smoking next to signs everywhere, on the walls, street poles, ground etc that say no smoking yet they do it anyway. The whole of Rundle Mall and its laneways are smoke free zones yet people do it anyway because they just don't care and there's no one to tell them otherwise. These people are assholes.

  • +2

    I remember after the birth of our first kid at the old Sunshine maternity hospital (3 years ago), walking down the ramp to leave and clustered beside it are a dozen new mothers smoking with their newborns in those plastic hospital baby-trolleys beside them. Every new family exiting had no choice but to walk through the cloud.

    On the whole I think smokers get too much undeserved flak but newborn babies don't deserve second hand smoke.

    • There is no law to stop them from training theirs and others children from passive smokers to active smokers after they turn 18 I believe? Isn’t it called freedom?

  • +3

    Fun fact: statistically Smoking kills more people than corona virus

    • +2

      Heart disease kills double the amount people that COVID does every single year.

      • +3

        Fun fact: If you smoke, you are four times more likely to die of heart disease (heart attack and stroke), and three times more likely to die from sudden cardiac death

  • +9

    Ex smoker here can confirm i never gave a fu** where i was smoking, often times id do it infront of no smoking signs cos it was ussually the most convenient area. but yeah now that i no longer smoke i can see how bloody selfish i was and how disgusting it is to a non smoker.

  • +3

    "I see a lot of nurses and patients sitting casually next to the entrance lighting up."

    So what? They could smoke in a quiet corner of the hospital grounds… but anti-smoking zealots like yourself wouldn't allow that so the rules were changed. Forcing doctors, nurses and patients to walk all the way to the entrance/exit to LEGALLY have a smoke. They are following the rules, so what's your problem? You can't tell them what to do?

    Unless in a designated smoke free area (eg North Sydney, Childrens playgrounds, Hospitals, between the flags at beaches, etc, etc, etc) then you are permitted to smoke anywhere as long as you are more than 4 metres from a building entrance.

    Smokers would prefer not to be in the cold/hot/rain huddled around entrances to buildings, but they have been left with no other option in Australia. Interestingly in Japan it is illegal to smoke on the street, but it is legal to smoke indoors (if the owner permits it), including most restaurants. This is far more logical, because you can avoid a smoking restaurant/bar but you can't avoid walking on the street. You basically never see smokers outside in Japan.

    They stay near the building entrance, because they are at work and have wasted 5 minutes walking to the elevator, travelled down the elevator, through security and walked out of the building. Walking another 100m adds another 5mins by the time you make a round trip. Which would mean it takes 15 minutes for every smoke, which is hardly efficient.

    • +4

      That's the whole idea of these restrictions though, to get people to stop smoking by making it extremely inconvenient. The laws and policies are there to be a deterrent, without actually removing the "freedom" to do whatever it is they're trying to "ban".

  • -3

    I genuinely feel that smokers deserve to be ineligible for employment, ineligible for welfare payments, and definitely ineligible for health insurance.

  • +5

    I'm sorry about that. I'm a smoker and I always go out of my way to smoke far away from everyone and always in designated areas. For example, Darling Harbour.. Super hard to find a spot because there are no bins you can throw your cigarette butts in, so I just dont smoke.
    If I take the kids to the pools, I see ppl lighting up near the back fence but I dont. They dont let u go outside to smoke too or u will get refused entry so I dont smoke either.. its ok, I can watch my kids swim for 5 hours on a hot day and I'll be ok.. Some smokers just ruin it and give us a bad rep.. 😒
    Once I stayed in hospital for 2 weeks, I made the effort of walking all the way down to the designated smoking area, it was so far I would just smoke 3 a day.. yet the workers all light up near the entrance 🤨

  • I'm not a smoker but I don't mind the smell. Its more pleasant than a lot of other smells to be honest.

    • +1

      Like fart for instance?

    • +4

      Have you consulted your lungs yet?

  • +3

    People are idiots, i bet they do literally know that it's a no smoking area especially at shopping centres ( you usually see a white line saying no smoking beyond this point) but they'd still be smoking their cancer shit in that area.

    What's more frustrating is that security people do nothing like absolutely nothing. Everyone knows that there's like a serious penalty for it i think it starts from $500 not sure about max may be 5000 but i ain't sure. Whatever the case the laws should be enforced stronger at those idiots. If you wanna bloody smoke do it outside of restricted area (instead of taking peace in shade or under roof whatever in the restricted area just for your own comfort).

    Bloody police also would do nothing if they see such a act honestly

  • +1

    Another issue I seem to be seeing is people vaping indoors in public places. AFAIK those are treated same as smoking.

    Vaping seems to be the new thing, especially amid the younger generation.

  • Which one is easier for the government, trying to discourage people to start smoking, or getting smokers to stop smoking?
    To any young smokers out there, what makes you start smoking?

  • -3

    I just can't bear the bastards who smoke before jumping into train(doesn't matter whether you smoke in a designated area) and then make whole cabin stinky. I had once person sitting behind me and I could hardly breathe because it was such a strong stinky smell of smoke.

    No sympathy and respect for smokers. They are stinky scumbags and inconsiderate bastards.

    • +1

      I can certainly sympathise….. even the smell/breath of a smoker who has partaken recently is enough to make my asthma seem like triggering…

  • +4

    I'm asthmatic and this is one of my biggest peeves. People just don't care, are just plain stupid and/or law enforcement is almost non-existing in Australia. I would love the idea some countries have with a "smoker's room" (if people complied). They do wonders in Japan.

    • +2

      The laws are backwards in Australia. They effectively force smokers to gather outside building entrances (to get back to work/drinking ASAP, and share spaces with non-smokers.

      Japan has it right, at first I thought it was bizarre, but after living with it, it makes much more sense for both smokers and non-smokers:
      Smoking is banned on the urban streets, but legal inside venues and upto the owner if they allow it. Most places just offer a smoking room, which keeps the rest of the establishment and streets smoke and butt free.

      It also drives business, because if a smoker wants a cigarette, they have to go inside and buy something before using the smoker's room.

  • +4

    Imagine paying money to get cancer

    • +3

      So you never buy any alcohol?

      Because alcohol is a known carcinogen that causes at least seven types of cancer (Pharynx cancer, Mouth cancer, Larynx cancer, Oesophagus cancer, Liver cancer, Breast cancer, Stomach cancer, Bowel cancer, etc) Source - Cancer Council

      • -5

        There are established safe levels of alcohol which means it can be enjoyed responsibly and safely.

        There is no known safe level of tobacco smoke. Even small amounts can be harmful.

        • "Small amounts [of tobacco smoke] can be harmful? Please link to the research you are basing that on??

          Meanwhile relatively small amounts of alcohol can easily kill. 3 people die every single day in Australia from alcohol poisoning. Source - Australian Institute of Health

          There is no "established safe levels of alcohol". That was a lie, with the "research" funded and sold by big alcohol in the 90's to keep their image clean. Source - BBC - No alcohol safe to drink, global study confirms

          • -1

            @field1985:

            "Small amounts [of tobacco smoke] can be harmful? Please link to the research you are basing that on??

            This study says

            People who smoke as little as 1 cigarette a day over their lifetime still have a greater risk of early death than people who have never smoked, according to a study by researchers from the National Cancer Institute. The researchers say this shows that no level of cigarette smoking is safe.

            This study concludes

            Light and intermittent smoking carry nearly the same risk for cardiovascular disease as daily smoking

            Cancer Council states

            There is no safe level of exposure to second-hand smoke. Second-hand smoke has been shown to be harmful even at low levels, including in outdoor areas.

            Is that enough or would you still dispute something that's been known for decades?

      • +1

        This could have been a touché moment for you if I actually drank alcohol, ever.

        • +3

          Fair enough, I hope you are enjoying the health benefits :) I just can't stand the hypocrites (like OP) who defend alcohol to the death, but will attack smokers at every opportunity.

  • i've seen too many smokers throw their butts out of the car and i couldn't do anything,
    if i have a gun, i wear i follow its home and finish it

    • +2

      Finish the littered butt? Spoken like a true Ozbargainer.

      • -1

        Very funny, i live with an uncle, and he's a smoker, he's been smoking for 30 years and counting, coughing every night and day, wishing he dies faster

  • The casino in on Sentosa island in Singapore has a very big room for smoking players and it is mostly full all the time. So much smoke in there that you can hardly see. Looks disgusting but a heaven for smoking players who usually stay in there for as long as they can because Singaporians get charged $100 per entry

  • Happens all the time, everywhere - especially in undercover carparks.

  • chill bro…

  • +2

    Will somebody please think of the children!

  • +1

    How about legalizing vaping instead of trying to ban it?

    Promised myself I wouldn't start with this BS hypocritical anti smoking conversation

  • If you think that anyone will do anything you're wrong. Remeber that doctor / surgeon that asked that smoker not to smoke near a hospital and ended up dying? Sad.

  • -1

    When you walk outside and breathe in all the microparticles spewing out of cars/buses/motocycles/trucks, (which you probably drive yourself) and then complain about smokers.

    • +1

      The thing with vehicles is that they're a necessity. They transport people as well as our food and supplies. They literally save lives so we tend to put up with their hazardous health effects (although emissions regulations are getting tighter).

      Smoking provides no benefit to anyone. In fact it's quite the opposite. You're putting other people's health at risk just so you can put your own health at risk.

      • Your post refers to ALL smokers as inconsiderate. Which is incorrect. I'm a smoker and happy to go by the rules and do it outside away from others. I'd even walk across the road to put the butt in the bin.

        Your refering to all driving as a necessity and worth the health risks? Thats not the case at all - There is a lot of unnecessary driving - eg. Racing. All lot of which emits pollution that also puts your health at risk too. So don't just blame smokers for what you breathe in on the street.

        Another thing is junk food. Thats also a proven health risk. Yet displays no obcene health warnings and minors can purchase. People are exposed to that without choice or education to know that it's bad for them. Have you ever given a child a piece of cake? Cause you might as well give them 2nd had cigarette smoke with it.

        • -1

          Your post refers to ALL smokers as inconsiderate

          Let's not play semantics. Obviously it's impossible for anyone to predict the behaviour of every single smoker on earth. The point is that the overwhelming majority of smokers are inconsiderate. There are about 125,000 cigarette butts at any local park for evidence.

          There is a lot of unnecessary driving - eg. Racing.

          Like I said, apples and oranges. Driving in all forms is very heavily regulated. There are cameras to make sure you're following the rules. There are emission standards that need to be met. There are millions or billions of dollars in fines given out every year to enforce driving safety. Cars cannot drive anywhere except for a very strictly defined path on the road. They cannot just barge into your local restaurant terrace or shopping centre and start revving up their engines - yet it appears smokers can.

          Another thing is junk food. Thats also a proven health risk. Yet displays no obcene health warnings and minors can purchase. People are exposed to that without choice or education to know that it's bad for them. Have you ever given a child a piece of cake? Cause you might as well give them 2nd had cigarette smoke with it.

          Now this is where I 100% agree with you. I don't have kids but I am actively involved in teaching my brothers and friends how bad junk food is for kids and that they really need to make an effort to restrict it. I do not buy any junk food at all, I wouldn't put that crud in my body if they paid me. And yes I totally agree that junk food needs health warnings and more restrictions, especially with the way these brands blatantly target children or manipulate people to eat away their problems by appealing to their emotions. It's disgraceful. Heart disease kills more people than smoking and COVID combined yet the government does nothing about it.

  • My aunt was smoking at a no-smoking area literally next to the sign at the airport and no one came to say anything.

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