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Probably because the M1 Macs are wiping the floor with the Intel ones. A 16" one can't be far behind,
$6.65K or $0.00665M?
6.65 x 1000
imagine a M1X for the new 16" that delivers twice the performance of the M1….. RIP Intel & AMD
^ very true.. can they not just buy into the same architecture?
It's not as easy as it is for Apple. Apple controls the entire ecosystem its customers use. Intel and AMD have an established facilities and processes to make x64 chips for an extremely fragmented market.
Apple has a perpetual licence for using their own design with ARM architecture, which allows them much more flexibility with optimisation.
It's not the architecture that is the reason for the performance gap. There are tons of companies building ARM chips at the moment (Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei etc) but none are anywhere near as fast as Apple's, even though they're based around the same architectures.
Part of this is because of the way Apple choose to design their chips, varying a lot more from reference designs than most of the other manufacturers. This is an expensive and time consuming way of doing it, but has produced excellent results for them.
The other element helping Apple is that they're designing nearly every part of the SoC themselves. They're doing things like on-chip RAM, custom instruction additions, custom support chips (Eg the T2) in ways that others can't or haven't wanted to.
AMD are allegedly working on ARM based chips
That said Apple are well ahead of the rest of the consumer ARM chips also
Intel and AMD are manufacturers.
Intel especially has their hands tied. They own their own Fabs, and need a return on the billions of dollars it has invested in it's facilities.
AMD outsources production, but the entire value of their company is owning the only other licence to make x86 CPUs apart from Intel (technically Via own a licence, but they are decades behind in design).
If AMD switched to ARM CPUs, they will be competing with a much bigger range of competitors, which includes apple, nvidia, samsung, qualcomm and many smaller firms. The ARM archiecture is not as protected by patents, and is far far less profitable.
A Qualcomm 865 (flagship android phone) module costs only $165 USD, and includes a multicore CPU, GPU and a modem.It's the software that requires x86 (windows) that keeps Intel and AMD alive. If the new ARM macOs, or android replace windows for office PC use, those two firms are dead.
What apple has done is create a proprietary CPU architecture (modified from ARM) and paired it with a proprietary stack of software. They are completely immune from competition from other hardware manufacturers, yet are able to souce CPUs cheaply from anyone who can build an ARM cpu.
The real threat to Intel and AMD is if (or when) ARM windows becomes popular, or if android replaces windows.
Not sure if I should hold out for a 16” m1 or grab a 13”. Getting impatient
New 16" and 14" redesigned MBPs with more powerful Apple Silicone expected second half of next year. If you can wait, you should!
@poppingtags: No doubt they
will come with a barely covering bra case like the airpods max, but as you note they have silicone inside so no need for padding.
The 13" is stellar. Nearly a days battery life (depending on usage)
depends what you need it for. I also got a feeling that apple might raise the price seeing how popular they are now.
There won't be a 16" m1. Technicalities, sure, but it will have a higher specced chip. M1X, M2, whatever, but not M1.
M1 has too many limitations for the 16" target audience (ram, multiple external displays).
@Morien: The 16” gets hotter than the sun when you plug in an external display. It is worse than the keyboard-doesn’t-work 15 inch MacBooks.
The M1 doesn’t have any major problems as far as I can tell.
@nomadspartan: Yes, but when you plugin in an external display their idle temperature is 100 degrees and the fans run flat out.
The work around is use it in clamshell mode but that requires buying a keyboard/trackpad
@[Deactivated]: When I plug an external display into mine it idles around 70 degrees, but you're correct in saying that the fans do ramp up a bit and may even go on full blast for a few minutes and quieten down again. It's unfortunate that Apple doesn't activate the integrated intel graphics when graphics-heavy workloads are not being performed when using external display.
Typing this on a MacBook Air M1 8gb. I am an engineer and heavy user with occasional photo / video editing. I would suggest just getting one of the 13s, these things are beasts. New apps are being added all the time (In addition to a lot of apps which have already been ported to native arm). Not to mention it also runs iOS apps. At the price I paid for it ($1439 from JBHifi), nothing else comes close in terms of hardware quality, performance, battery life and the screen.
@bindok: How do you find using the arm os with CAD? I presume this needs to be done through a VM? Doesn't this play havock with your companies file vault?
@s732: Not using it for any CAD work at the moment. Applications via Rosetta seem to be running almost as fast as native apps. People get too tied up with benchmarks. The one app I’ve had an issue with so far was the Wordpress app which seemed to have a glitch and high cpu usage. I’m waiting for Linux support but there’s been some good progress someone has managed to get Fedora running and is running a fund me campaign to bring it to the masses.
@bindok: what i like about it is how cool and quiet it is. I used to have to open window because the room would actually get warmer when the laptop just playing a movie!
@ubcool: Definitely agree. I was spoiled by my Surface Book (no heat on lap as the CPU is in the screen). It was why I returned the MacBook Pro 16 even though it was a beast when it came to performance. I could not stand the heat and the Touch Bar. The MacBook Air M1 runs super cool ( ~35 degrees C all the time via iStatistica). It is fanless so it cannot get any quieter. There's honestly nothing to complain about at this price point.
Unlikely to be twice as fast. Single core speed will be the same as M1, multi core will be higher in proportion to the number of extra cores. However both AMD and Intel have new 8 core laptop chips coming out shortly which are rumored to be 30% faster in single core over last gen chips and 20-30% higher in multi core. The M1X may still be faster but not by much. It will most likely be more power efficient and have much better batter life due to the inclusion of the additional efficiency cores. Regardless if you need windows programs it is not really an option. It is good that Intel finally has some competition
Why would single core speeds have to remain the same as the M1? A 16" pro would give them a much greater thermal and battery budget to work with so they could likely clock up all the cores quite a bit from the current M1.
@[Deactivated]: At current clock speeds. The M1 Pro still throttles under load, just not nearly as aggressively, and will 'only' boost to 3.2Ghz due to its TDP of 14W.
The performance they're getting out of that setup is amazing, but imagine if they had a version with a 35W-45W TDP like the i9 in this 16" MBP. Clock speeds could be far higher and thus provide better single core performance in addition to potentially more cores.
@noisymime: Beacause single core speed is typically not thermally limited as it only consumes a few watts. Look at all other CPUs, there is little difference in single core speeds for a given architecture in laptops or desktops. Only under multi core loads does the power draw become significant
Except that they wouldn’t sell it. So you would be forced to use macOS. Which ensures that isn’t a big issue for intel and amd.
I'd bet the new 16 inch will be cheaper than the Intel one too. But not as cheap as the M1 Air, so I still might just go for that for now.
I say don't get carried away by the reviews. Unless you buy it only to watch youtube, check your twitter, do documents, etc, it's better off to skip the first generation of ARM macs.
Hadouken! You're wrong.
Yes, I know, you very rarely get discounts on Apple, but I just don't have that much cash lying round…
The name makes posting this pretty redundant.
Username doesn't check out, hey?
$3704 laptop with 16GB Ram, soldered in :(
Yawn.
Different setup for the ram use in the M1 Macs, they are finding that the 8GB models are not really any slower than the 16GB models even under heavy use.
Imagine paying 4 grand for an Intel Mac.
And getting crap battery life as well
At-least you can save on heating costs in winter if it’s on your lap
not worth it considering the new one is going to be a lot lot faster. with much better battery,
Interested to understand the target market for these huge laptops. For me, any laptop, 12” or 16” is too small of a screen to work on for more than a few hours. Once you plug it into an external 4K display and link it to a proper keyboard and mouse, you lose all portability and your desk becomes a bit of a mess. Wouldn’t it make more sense to go for an iMac or Mac mini and have a cheaper, smaller MacBook for anything on the go? I understand that there are some professionals who work from multiple locations and prefer a powerful laptop like this but unless you’re self-employed, it doesn’t seem like something you’d grab off OzBargain?
That's the main advantage of the M1 Macbook Pro. A huge battery and efficient processor mean 20 hour battery life.
Not everyone uses these for work
yet, a favourite with professional camgirls - apparently fits very well into their multitasking workflow, friend said.
$3,899 is a bit expensive for Netflix…
Not when it's also for Pornhub.
because you cant take your Imac to Starbucks and pose with it can you!?
Your desk is less messier with a laptop because you can use thunderbolt.
except nobody does and they get the cheap $30 usb-c adapters which require a short ass 5cm cable with 30Hz hdmi output.
Would be good value at half the discounted price.
Just got the m1 macbook air. Its very impressive for the $. Feels crazy zippy to use, everything loads super quick, even non native photoshop etc. Would struggle to hand over cash for an old mac anything atm.
Definitely wait for the 2021 models. M1 + miniLED
Nah best to wait for Apple’s Quantum macbook air.
Yeah and with a Graphene battery offering 20-hr battery life
Cough, the M1 MBA has 18 hrs already, cough.
Yeah, can't wait until MacBooks can hit 20 hours of battery life /s
$2500 M1 beats these:
- Generally, better performance
- No thermal CPU throttling
- No heat and fan noise
- Much better battery life
- RAM is less important
- In the next few years x86 will be phased out
Agreed, good summary.
But the caveat needs to be that (at-least for now) no/limited Windows bootcamp support capability. If anyone was planning play Windows games on an M1 they might be limited…
Disagree with your last point from a software perspective though- surely Apple will support x86 for at-least another “n” years?
@ycon
Plus, people who require 16” screen, 4 Thunderbolt ports, connect with at least 2 external monitors (this one can drive up to 4), will still be buying this for now.Only two ports though, and one external monitor for now.
This
Or a train I can also afford.
Are these things really worth this money ?
That’s the cost of two decent gaming rigs
If you have to ask, then most likely you don’t need it. People who have specific use cases and done their research will already know what they are going to buy, this is a good opportunity to buy well below RRP.
P.S. not everyone’s primary use case for a laptop is to play games so cannot compare orange with apple (pun not intended).What I mean is a gaming PC is normally quite expensive, and you could build two of those for one of these.
Based on alot of the comments. I’ve decided that they certainly are overpriced
Lugging around a pair of decent gaming rigs will not help me run my business. One thin and light M1 laptop that is very fast and can be plugged into big monitors at work/home is. Horses for courses.
But if you can’t game are you really living
Vs making a living? :-p
@Munki: What % of the gamers population are making money and how much do you think they really spend on the gaming rigs to be at that level?
I agree that if you're buying Apple, investing in anything that isn't an M1 would be daft… but having seen "superior" competitors to the x86 come and go like the Commodore Amiga (overall architecture rather than the CPU itself), the Acorn Archimedes (the forefather of the M1) and indeed the PPC itself, the M1 SOC will hurt Intel and AMD, but it won't win. It still comes down to dollars and cents. x86 chips will always be cheaper to produce and purchase due to the open ecosystem which they inhabit, and the vast majority of people around the world buy the cheapest computers that meet their base needs. Add the gaming market to this which I can't see moving to Apple and you're still sitting at 90% of the world running x86.
But isn’t AMD dominating the gaming market and has been for a short while?
IIRC, AMD/Apple has some if their bits produced in the same plant, whereas intel do it all themselves
This is one advantage intel has - since they make all their own chips they do not have supply issues unlike AMD (e.g. try and buy an AMD 5000 series CPU or a 4000 series laptop - they are mostly out of stock. In contrast Intel has 11th gen chips available everywhere with no issues.)
The disadvantage for Intel is that their fab technology is lagging behind TMSC which AMD uses and their chips are currently slower and use more power
Apple doesn't have supply issues since they have so much money they can just buy all of TMSC's production capacity.
Support will be gone for this in 2 years I bet.
I wouldn't purchase a new one but this would be a great time to find a cheaper second hand as people start dumping them prematurely. Apple still plans to release new Intel Macs for the next two years and then continue offering support for the next 3-5 years after that. Intel Macs are not going away for a while yet
No chance it’ll be as short as 2 years.
Looks at the transition from powerPC to Intel as a sample for apple
As Ononono said, Apple still plans on selling Intel Macs for a couple of years.
Sold my 7 month used same config for $2800 last month. Originally listed for $3000 but no one contacted me
Cool story bro. Can this be made into movie?
Resale value for intel macbook's are down the drain now
Can confirm resale value isn't great - sold my 16" base model (<6 months old) for ~$2800 by pure luck (bought for 3.3k after edu discount). Felt quite sluggish when browsing compared to the M1 Air I tried, especially with content-heavy sites like Facebook and Reddit.
Over priced way too much still
M1 beats Ryzen 9 4900H single core performance?
But 4900H beats M1 in multi core performance?PCs destroy Mac's on price performance, but hey all your Apple Fanbois knock yourself out and blow a hole in your pocket lol
The $1,500 M1 MBA & MBP are owning far more expensive PC laptops.
Kind of, kind of not A G15 32mb 4900H with a 2060 ($2000) gets a clear victory anywhere but single core tests. Weight and battery life it can't match the m1s but in raw power it wins. M1X should wipe the floor with it at multicore, but it will depend somewhat on the graphics that comes with the m1X.
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$4,399.00