Racial Profiling at a Bank

Yesterday I walked into an ANZ bank and had the worst experience I have ever had with a teller in a bank. I wanted to withdraw >1000 so i had to go to the teller. I did not have my physical bank card but I have the ApplePay one so i figured that would do. Went up to the teller, tapped my phone on the EFTPOS machine. She then said to me "You cant use a non ANZ card". The other teller next to her leaned over and said the same thing. I had no idea what they were talking about and why they would even thing someone would show up to ANZ with another banks card. Anyway, I was confused, asked what she meant then she said her computer is showing that im using a non ANZ card. I showed her the card, she asks me to do it again and she says the same thing. She then asks me for my actual card number, which i show her from my Lastpass. Does the whole verification, name, address, date of birth then walks off to speak to someone and comes back and asks for my ID, which i didnt have upon which she said she couldnt help me. The demeanor of these tellers was really bad honestly. Made me feel stupid and I felt as if they treated me with contempt or very high level of suspicion.

So i went back home and got my ID. I was really affected by the interaction so i wanted to go back to that very same teller. Went back and tapped my phone again. The conversation about the non ANZ card started again….and again. Luckily a more senior person happned to be walking behind and she explained that the phone works at the ATM but not on the EFTPOS machine in front of the tellers. Ah right. I understand. The junior lady then continued serving me, got my ID, asked my name, address, date of birth as usual and im ok with that. Then she asked me to tell her roughly how much was in the account. WTF. I have never been asked that as a security question. I asked her why that matters and she said it was for security reasons. I refused to answer. She then asked for my security code and i gave her. Then she handed me a wad of notes (didn't count it in front of me as they normally do). I went to speak to the manager to tell him about this whole experience.

Here is the thing. I am a minority. I am black. So i get treated funny in a lot of places i walk into. Simple things like being followed around when i walk into a store, having that extra level of verification required when i have an account with >100k, being spoken down to in establishments etc so these tellers behaviour really impacted me. The set up of the branch is also such that there is very little privacy. Every customer in line can hear the entire conversation between the teller and who they are serving. All the verification info, the extra questions from the tellers etc. So i really felt humiliated. Whats worse is that I know how this whole interaction made me feel….i have had soo many pleasant interactions in banks so i know what good service in a bank should look like and yesterdays was not one of them yet i am second guessing myself on whether i over reacted by speaking to the manager and filing a complaint. Sucks.

Just wanted to vent and to get opinions on the above….and vent.

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  • +6

    The junior lady then continued serving me, got my ID, asked my name, address, date of birth as usual and im ok with that. Then she asked me to tell her roughly how much was in the account. WTF. I have never been asked that as a security question. I asked her why that matters and she said it was for security reasons. I refused to answer.

    The team member is doing their job and covering their behind. Customers can either comply with their requests or take their business somewhere else.

    The CBA and WBC have been fined big time for not doing enough to police AML/CTF. ANZ doesn't want to join them. šŸ‘ work on ANZ for doing a better job.

  • +5

    Maybe you would like them to give your money to someone else without verifying you actually had card and physical ID?

    I had to do a similar thing but it was spontaneous with St George. I didn't have my wallet at all cause most times I use apple pay. I was allowed to withdraw showing the account number in the banks app and a copy of my license on the Service NSW app, still had to confirm all my details which wasn't a problem. Maybe using apps rather than applepay would've been a better idea?

    but yeah, it's cause everyone is racist, not because you didn't have the necessary tools.

  • -1

    Whether people like to admit it or not, racial profiling does exist, whether overt or subtle or subconscious. I think that people like me who don't have to experience it wouldn't have any idea what it is like …..

    In this case though I think they were just following procedure, but maybe could have done it in a nicer way

    • -1

      I feel sorry for people who have to find injustices in every interaction of their lives. If you look hard enough for anything you'll find it.

  • +6

    Sounds pretty standard to me.
    Go home, get your card and come back, would make everything a lot simpler.

    I accept that racial profiling is alive and well in the community however literally playing that card when they're following the same procedure for everyone else comes across as petty.

    I've seen them ask for ID a multitude of times (it's because the amount is above $1000, common procedure). Even had it done to me when i withdrew $10k - yes i am caucasian

    If someone stole my phone and my pin, or wallet and pin i'd like the peace of mind knowing that they'd need to ID them before cleaning out my bank account.

  • +8

    You had no ID or bankcard whilst trying to withdraw money… It has nothing to do with your race, I made a larger withdrawal at the ANZ with bankcard and ID and was still given extra security checks…

  • +8

    This is a legitimate process and in no way related to racial profiling, wow…..

    Be thankful they take your security seriously and not the other way round.

  • +1

    Who keeps $100k in an ANZ account?

    • +1

      and a everyday bank account too!!!

    • Someone actively house hunting and needing the liquid $ for a deposit?
      I can't really think of another reason to have that much cash sitting in a bank with interest rates this low.
      Upcoming major medical bills perhaps.

  • Wouldn't consider you guys Minorities anymore

  • +6

    Here is the thing. I am a minority. I am black.

    Yeah, and I'm white. I still get asked for ID and all the security questions you got asked including approximate balance every single time I try to withdraw from a teller.
    In addition, Westpac also ask me what were the last 3 transactions on the account.

    Sorry to break it to you, but you had a perfectly normal interaction.

    She then said to me "You cant use a non ANZ card".

    Apple and Google NFC payments with phone use a virtual card for the transaction between your phone and the machine, so when you tap it the machine does not see your ANZ card but sees a Google or Apple card. Apple and Google then charge your ANZ card on the backend.

    This is a security feature.

    • +2

      Apple and Google NFC payments with phone use a virtual card for the transaction between your phone and the machine, so when you tap it the machine does not see your ANZ card but sees a Google or Apple card. Apple and Google then charge your ANZ card on the backend.

      If I could upvote you to the top where the OP can see you, I would.

      This was my first thought as well, that due to the built-in privacy protection of Apple Pay, the bank teller probably does not see the issuer being ANZ. So essentially you were trying to withdraw money without an ANZ card and ID, and thus the standard questions that you were asked.

      Hopefully you can add the above context to your recollection and be able to see it in a slightly different/better light. All the best.

      edit: Oh, what was that "security code" thing? It wasn't your PIN was it?!? (Or that code that you're forced to come up with for tele-banking that you'd forget as soon as the call is over :P )

  • +12

    I'm disappointed the Falcon wasn't deployed in branch.

  • +1

    Why wouldn't you tell them, even vaguely or written it down for them, how much was in the account?

    They are literally looking at your account details on the computer. You're not being savvy and not revealing info they don't know. They're asking you because they need to verify.

    • If ANZ ask you how much is in the Account, clearly they want to play "The New Price is Right"

      You need to say an amount and they will say "Higher" or "Lower" until you are correct.

      Then, they might pay out… Probably one of those dumb oversized Game Show Cheques.

      • +1

        It's a common verification question and it doesn't require and exact figure. They won't give you hints, just need to give roughly what the balance is.

  • All this could have been avoided if anyone had done their job properly a decade or more ago. As there are two underlying (root-cause) problems here:

    1. That people submit to the public sharing of Private and Identifiable Information in a queue (and in so many other places)
    2. That all finstos use this weakness, and abuse customer PII to verify identity (authenticate). The bank manager, let alone the teller, would never tell you their DOB, or password.

    This has always been wrong. Stupid, and Bad Practice. Demeaning to customers. And now, because this is their unrelenting solution to authenticating customers, world+dog follows the same insanity to do business with their customers, but more to gather and store information for sale and ongoing abuse.

    They should have moved to security tokens, with rolling codes, years ago. Every account holder could have been issued one, and become used to it and the procedures for using it, instead of silly cards and so on.

    If we as customers had been trained 10 years ago to use these instead of expecting a card and an ID should suffice in all situations, this would be a thing of the past.

    How many times do you hear people bleating out all their PII, passwords, etc. in a bank queue. Any number of people with malware affected phones could be overhearing it, not to mention the individuals around them (with functional memories).

    If showing up without a token now meant you would have to follow a alternate lengthy verification process, involving a private (not in a queue) check of this information by someone authorised to see it (eg a manager), before the re-issuance of a replacement token, the global market for personal information/data harvesting would be significantly lower than it is today.

    Maybe it would only be retailers, hedge funds and your local politicians buying it ;-)

  • +4

    I think OP deserves some slack before flaming them. It seems odd that this interaction would warrant a whole internet post which would indicate that OP had a really stinky experience and wanted to rant. I agree with @impulseman's response and advice. Objectively OP's next course of action would be to apply for a debit card to make withdrawals easier and to look for an OzB approved bank account for your money.

    • +5

      They brought it entirely on themselves though, and are trying to blame the bank for their own stuff up.

      They went to a bank with no ID and no bank card, and simply claimed to be a person and wanted to withdraw $1000 cash. Their only proof was a phone app that obfuscates the card so the bank couldn't even tell if it was an ANZ bank card attached to it or not. They literally just gave a person's personal details, the kind you can get off Google, and wanted that to be enough to withdraw a large quantity of cash.

      Of course they are going to be interrogated! They were not asked anything unreasonable. Requesting their ID was reasonable. Requesting their bank card was reasonable. Asking them security questions including the balance of the account was reasonable. The only unreasonable person in this story is OP.

  • +2

    Racial profiling would be if someone said that your username checks out.

  • +15

    I recently applied for a home loan, I'm pretty sure the bank was racially profiling me for being of Eastern European decent. They kept asking 'HOW MUCH DO YOU EARN'? 'HOW MUCH IS IN YOUR BANK'? and I was all like bro is this because I'm from the former Yugoslav republic of Montenegro?

    • +3

      rofl

    • +2

      Monsters!

  • +4

    Everything is considered a micro aggression if you let it. Enough with the victim mentality.

  • +3

    Then she asked me to tell her roughly how much was in the account.

    I routinely get this as a security question. They just want to confirm you have some idea about your own account.

    Here is the thing. I am a minority.

    You do yourself a huge disservice by crying wolf and cheapening genuine accusations of racism by making assumptions when you haven't walked in anybody else's shoes.

    By all means get frustrated with banks, they are a world of pain to deal with sometimes, but where do you get off making such a heavy accusation as racism without evidence or empirical data?!

  • +11

    I did not have my physical bank card
    asks for my ID, which i didnt have upon which she said she couldnt help me.

    So you expected to walk into a bank without any ID and take out over $1000 dollars no questions asked?

    The demeanor of these tellers was really bad honestly. Made me feel stupid and I felt as if they treated me with contempt or very high level of suspicion.

    That is their job, you presented at a counter without your bank card, without any ID and you then wonder why they become suspicious?

    I see nothing wrong here at all. The teller is doing their job. All banks I have used, I've had to present VALID ID when doing a over the counter transaction.

    Put if this way, if $1000 went missing out of your account oneday and when you contact the bank, their answer was someone rocked up to a counter and asked for it, didn't have ID but we gave it to them anyhow. Would you be happy with that answer?

    So i went back home and got my ID. I was really affected by the interaction so i wanted to go back to that very same teller. Went back and tapped my phone again. The conversation about the non ANZ card started again

    Why didn't you get your keycard card as well?

    Racial Profiling at a Bank
    Here is the thing. I am a minority. I am black

    I'm not seeing any racial issue here. Any person black, white, young or old that presents to the counter to withdraw cash WITHOUT the required account key card and VALID ID will be questioned.

    All the verification info, the extra questions from the tellers etc. So i really felt humiliated.

    This was self humiliation thinking you are above the rules and tried to get money out of a bank without any ID. Follow the rules next time and you won't have any issues. That means, taking your ANZ keycard and your VALID ID. If you do this, your next withdraw from the bank will be painless.

    • +2

      This is the best reply in the whole chain… factual and accurate. If there is any element of racism I support fighting back 100% but as JimmyF said, you showed up in the bank with no ID, no bank card and you wanted to get $1000? Next time just do yourself a favour ( as I don't like to carry physical cards), go to a cardless cash enabled ATM, trouble yourself withdraw 2 x times to go over the $1K…

  • +1

    Standard questions really. I get the same thing. Just bring your card along and answer a simple question. Why make it so hard on yourself and the tellers?

  • +4

    This is basic anti fraud practice.

    Your actions were incredibly dodgy. This wasn't about your skin colour. Your actions raised written red flags.

    You literally walked into a bank and asked for thousand/s of dollars without their bank card or your id.

    If they were hostile in tone, it was contempt for your actions, as you were doing something out of the ordinary and making their job harder (it sucks to have to say no to a customer).

    Most of us have been made to feel like idiots by customer service reps as most of us have behaved like idiots. Learn to smile, apologise and ask what they need when you screw up. Most of the time assistants will go out of their way to tell you what you need to do.

    Work with them. Let them help you. You are obviously a major retail client with such a high balance.

    Getting flustered and embarrassed will only prolong frustration for both you and the assistant.

    It's ok to make mistakes. Drawing empathy from the person you are dealing with will make it far smoother than playing the race card with their manager when you screw up and don't understand the rules.

    • Ok. I walked in with my applepay card. Is it not a fair assumption that if i can use that at an ATM, i can also use that at the teller? Would it also not be a reasonable expectation that the staff would know that this would not work on their EFTPOS other than making me feel like an idiot telling me i cant use a non-ANZ card?

      Honestly, I dont mind the security questions. This isnt my first time going into a bank. I thought their behaviour wasnt great. I also thought when i returned and had everything they had asked for, the extra question around how much was in my account wasnt warranted.

      This is a hard thing to put to words for me. Sometimes, someone looks at you in a certain way….you cant describe it….but you know its not a good look. You cant put it into words. I have dealt with many customer service folks and this felt off. It really did.

      The exact same thing could have happened with a teller with a differnet attitude and i really wouldnt have felt this way.

      • mate, I feel for you but honestly the banking sector has rigid security rules to follow. It is a highly regulated and guarded industry and the employees must follow the strict rules to the letters as they are dealing with your precious money. If the terminal in front of them say this is a non-ANZ card they cannot say it is or override it. From your description, the teller had tried to consult her superior and colleagues to do the right thing for you. Don't overthink it, regardless of skin colour, your initial behaviour( no matter how normal you think) is not normal - ask 10 people around you, how many of them go to back to get cash over the counter without showing their ID and using their bank card, then you may feel how the teller would feel when you showed up in that manner.

        • -1

          Its really how all of it was done, how i was spoken to. Im not saying i should have gotten money without ID. I honestly would have walked away a happy customer had another person spoken to me in a different manner.

      • +1

        Ok. I walked in with my applepay card. Is it not a fair assumption that if i can use that at an ATM, i can also use that at the teller? Would it also not be a reasonable expectation that the staff would know that this would not work on their EFTPOS other than making me feel like an idiot telling me i cant use a non-ANZ card?

        Lex, it is a bank. Banks use old, proven tech unless forced to upgrade by users or other industries as if tech fails, banks can hurt thousands of people.

        Further, ApplePay is a payment system. Banks should be hostile to it taking over basic banking functions as it will only eat into banks' profits.

        Honestly, I don't mind the security questions. This isn't my first time going into a bank. I thought their behaviour wasn't great. I also thought when i returned and had everything they had asked for, the extra question around how much was in my account wasn't warranted.

        That was a security question. You said you refused other security questions and had already been refused service as you were not able to verify your identity to their standards. It sounds like they should have completely refused service when you refused to verify your identity.

        I gave my drivers licence and my medicare card last time I went to the hospital top make it quicker to update my details. They still verified my identity at the front desk, in triage, with each nurse and finally with the doctor. Why would we want lower standards from a bank?

        The fact that they didn't refuse you the second time when you refused to verify your identity was special treatment due to your skin colour, to avoid looking racist.

        ID's have tiny, poor quality pictures. Would you be happy if a brother or sister that looks like you was able to access your accounts?

        This is a hard thing to put to words for me. Sometimes, someone looks at you in a certain wayā€¦.you cant describe itā€¦.but you know its not a good look. You cant put it into words. I have dealt with many customer service folks and this felt off. It really did.

        Yes, like you are scum. I am white and I have had that. I changed the way I dress when interacting with institutions (smart casual) and disarm them by being friendly.

        The exact same thing could have happened with a teller with a different attitude and I really wouldn't have felt this way.

        Yes, some tellers have better people skills when customers ask for an unusual service. This case really needed the bank manager. That teller needs to be trained to ask for the bank manager early when a client like yourself is asking to do something out of the ordinary and raising red flags like you where.

        Instead of making this an us vs you thing (which it could have been), think about other reasons why the teller might have treated you that way and work on modifying you appearance and behaviours to negate that.

        Yes, the amount of racists in Australia is still stupidly high. And it is not right for you to ever be treated poorly because of your skin colour. But racists are generally cowards, acting out because they are scared of you. They don't deserve your best but when you only give them your best they have no ammo to be shitty.

        But from my experience as a white person, this is a completely normal experience from a bank and sounds like it has nothing to do with your skin colour. Demanding better service because of your skin colour is, after all, pretty racist.

        Sorry for the essay. You seem like a decent person who is getting downvoted to hell because you were never learnt kindness kills and most people aren't jerks, just life is beating them down, stopping them from being their best.

        • -1

          Thank you for this. The only question i didnt answer was "how much is in your account". You may be right that there is nothing racist about the way the treated me or spoke to me. But please have a think about this, can anyone ever prove racism in any interaction then? Especially this kind, where you are treated differently. Can it really ever be proven?

          • +1

            @[Deactivated]: 100%.

            This person is paid to serve you. They probably don't want to be there (because who really wants to work). If they were truly racist and not just frustrated they probably would have done something clear enough for you to get them fired.

            Positivity and empathy for those serving me often gains me nothing but personal happiness. But it keeps transactions smooth and rarely I get rewarded with free stuff, better service or better deals.

            Always thinking the worst of someone only makes your life worse.

            I know this lovey dovey talk is frustrating, but it works.

          • @[Deactivated]: Let me give you some advice and I mean this genuinely and not to be a smart arse.

            "can anyone ever prove racism in any interaction then?"

            No, you can't and so you just have to ignore it and move on, your life will be better for it.

            Every person in this world has things about them that strangers will use to make broad assumptions about them, as a POC you're not special. Conversely there will be things that, given your previous experiences, you will assume about others - this situation potentially being one example as you've assumed the intentions of the teller.

            And also as @thisguy has said just be super courteous. I always put on my Customer Service hat when I'm talking with service staff, it greases the wheels and it's just a pleasurable way to go about life.

            • @Cheaplikethebird: @Cheaplikethebird Thanks for this. I have almost always lived my life this way…giving people benefit of the doubt. You are right. So how do we make these things better if we all just move on and ignore it? Where is the line drawn? I never want my kids to grow up in a place where such assumptions are made of them. Its exhausting. It really is. It (profanity) with your head. It really does.

              • @[Deactivated]: It's just a part of life and how we work as humans. We live in a society where we are interacting with strangers constantly, we have no choice but to rely on assumptions we make based on our previous experiences.

  • +6

    A white guy would get treated the same way. This is not America.

  • +1

    Definitely not racism here. Standard practice at a bank.

    • +3

      They hate everyone equally

  • -6

    Most Australian banks are as dodgy as hell, are not honest, are racist and abusive routinely.

    White people trying to pretend Australia isn't racist are making things worse , many of them deliberately.

    Australia is supposed to be secular and inclusive - when your federal government isn't, the policies that are followed aren't, and Federal laws are routinely ignored as a consequence.

    • I would agree with all of your comments, but they are not relevant to OP's specific story.

      • -1

        your opinion is duly noted - however what he describes seems a very accurate account of what he experienced first hand.

        The ANZ is a toxic bank, not as bad as the NAB but bad.

        The OP's post shows how indifferent the ANZ is to being inclusive.

        • Even OP has agreed that "… there's nothing outright racial that occurred…".

          OP dealt with a couple of people at ANZ; to say that everyone at ANZ (or NAB) is part of a toxic bank is wrong.

          ANZ not inclusive….do you have any specific evidence of this?
          or NAB?

          • -1

            @GG57: op's description of events does not reveal the practical use of sensitive customer care by ANZ, and read the royal commissions findings on the NAB.

            Most of the royal Commision's recommendations have incidentally been trashed by the Libs

    • Clearly given the latest gov policy that they wont give PR to a non fluent new wife/husband. That shows you exactly the liberal party mentality

  • +4

    Sometimes, someone looks at you in a certain way

    It's not racism, more like paranoia.

    You should have put on your tin foil hat and they would have given you as much money as you wanted without any ID.

    • -1

      Hmmm. You missed the point. But ok.

  • I get those weird security questions over the phone. I say to the person before we start as you can't get any wrong or you will have to go to the branch. So i say, am i likely to know the answers as an everyday thing. I generally decline and say i cant risk it and I'll wait till my wife gets home šŸ˜„

    • -2

      Ringing an Australian bank is an self torturing exercise that should be largely avoided.

      Complaining is a total waste of time because way 2 many banks just lie.

      edit - negged for telling the truth - read the royal commission report about the routine deceit.

  • Suck it up princess

  • ANZ tellers are fairly rude at most branches I go to.

    Definitely not racist, that's just how they are.

    • -1

      yeah they are routinely rude and obnoxious, managers are worse, and if you ain't non-white then how would you know they ain't racist?

      • +1

        If they are aged between 50-75 they are racist.

        • +1

          age discrimination

  • +1

    As others said. Its standard. Physical cards, photo ID. They sometime ask for the balance, or recent amount that was withdrawn from the account and so on. They are just doing their job protecting your account from thieves. I feel it's annoying too, but its the procedure. So do not over think this and move on.

  • I feel like sometimes we forget this, but it's quite literally the job of bank tellers to treat everyone with suspicion. Everyone who walks up to them to withdraw money could potentially be a thief, have engaged in identity theft…etc. Obviously it makes sense that unless they are absolutely 100% sure that you are who you say you are, they should not let you take out any money.

    Just imagine for a second that someone (not you) came into a bank and tried to withdraw money from your account. They did not have your bank card. They did not have any ID. The bank then processes the withdrawal. You find that your account is > $1000 less the next day. How would you react? Would you be understanding towards the teller who didn't ask for a card or ID because they were "being nice" to the thief who withdrew from your account?

    The long and short of it is that until you can prove you are who you are, then you can assume that you won't be withdrawing any money. Of course, I'm not saying they should be a dick to you, but definitely no withdrawing.

    Also, whilst I don't doubt your experiences with racism or racial profiling, I do think that this story is pretty suspicious even on its own merits. Just think about it. You walked into a bank to withdraw money without your card, AND also without your ID. That's already very suspicious. Of course, they should be suspicious when you came back with the ID. If my job was on the line to correctly verify you, I would be suspicious too. Wouldn't you?

    In my experience of waiting in line at the bank, being asked for ID to withdraw money is extremely common for large amounts. I've seen this with people of all races, genders…etc. so I highly doubt that you were being profiled.

    • -1

      I did walk in without a physical card, but I walked in with my ApplePay card, which i use to make purchases all the time. I dont blame them for asking me for ID. The way all of it happened and how i was spoken to is what left me with a sour taste in my mouth.

      I admit that if they didnt should racial epithets etc or they didnt exactly say they hate black people, its hard to prove someone is racist based on a single interaction. It just unfortunately means racism is hard to prove. It goes on all around us and its just hard to prove. The impact of these subtle actions on the affected people is real though.

      • Your Apple Pay card is not your ANZ card… Is it?

        You should have instead gone to your nearest branch of Apple Bank with that card.

  • +1

    It's not because you wear classes. People working at stores just get the shits when they have to deal with muppet Karens all day.

  • I guess the previous times youve been followed id agree

    But this time prob sounds like they were just doing their job.
    Remember you cant change peoples attitudes but you can change yours toward them

    • This is the thing. The people that follow you are doing their jobs too. For a lot of black folks, being followed in stores is very common. If you are white, can you truly say its common for you too? This is were experiences differ.

      I understand what you said about changing my attitude towards people. Sometimes it does hurt honestly. This happened yesterday, and here I am, still feeling a certain way about it.

  • +6

    Seems like the only supporting evidence you have that it was race based is:

    1. You're black
    2. Your feelings
    • -1

      This is a good point. You are right. They very well may have been just bad at communication.

      Can you tell me how you can ever prove racism after an interaction with a person? Especially if they dont do obvious things like call you names etc?

      • I guess in a setting like you mentioned it would be very hard to prove.

        • -1

          It is like this everywhere honestly. In workplaces, at establishments etc. You can never prove it but you know it, that youre being treated differently. You can tell she is very dismissive of you from the time you walk up to the teller based on how she talks to you. Its hard. Thanks for engaging me.

          • @[Deactivated]: I think the best route for you is to chalk this individual encounter upto justifiable teller scepticism.

            • @Mrgreenz: yeah, youre right. We will never know I guess.

  • +9

    Holy shit. This is what is wrong with the world. No one cares that you are a minority, the teller cares because you had no id, and no physical bank card.

    Why on earth did you not bring the actual card when you went back there?

    • -6

      Calm down boomer. I think it was building up to a point and this just hit the roof

      • +4

        It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with op being an unorganised goose.

    • Because he has apple pay which doesn't allow withdrawal

    • -5

      Do you also tell aboriginals to build a bridge and get over their history?

      • What does that have to do with this perfectly normal interaction with a bank teller? They have to prove who you are, it's called security. They are all standard questions.

        • Clearly you are missing my points.
          Im just saying you shouldnt judge someone whose shoes you havent been in.
          Sure this seems like nothing do with race-and i agree- but i think his past experiences caused him to act the way he did. Thats why most whites- i with a name like brendan assume you are =) - would just feel they would have reacted competely differently in this situation.

  • +3

    Imagine playing the race card because the bank rightfully won't let a stranger take money out of a random bank account.

  • +1

    A bit of off topic but I'm working in customer service for more than 10 years and honestly, I can tell there are some group of customers are very drama, always escalate things unnecessarily, have no manner whatsoever. But when you gain trust from them, they will be your loyal customers.

    and hey OP, same as everyone's opinions here, I believe they have a common procedure to treat you or anyone else. They asked you whatever related to the bank, not your height, not your internet browsing history, just fricking answer them ffs

  • To thos just saying answer the q fffs.

    Consider this. A cat that has been treated poorly and then you come along offer it something to eat. If it runs away would you just shout at it just eat it ffs.
    -__-

    • +4

      Pretty sure that cat wouldn't then post on ozbargain falsely claiming it'd been racially profiled tho

      • Pretty sure that flew over your head

        • -1

          very low flying bird

  • Well, asking for the account history + ID is normal. I would have just used the ATM. Last time I went in to CBA there was a $2 fee for teller transactions. I suggest Heritage if you want better service, or any other bank with better interest. Don't rate ANZ too well on Customer service and dodgy looking branch where I am….

  • +3

    I'm white, middle-aged and look very plain vanilla. I've been asked all those questions. I appreciate that they are trying to keep my money safe.

    • +2

      As i mentioned, it really was how it was done and how these tellers spoke to me.

      • They were likely annoyed having to deal with someone who tries to get money out of the bank with no card and no id.

  • This is crazy. Go to the bank with no ID and no bank card, you don't think you might think that you are trying to scan someone??
    You could have someones phone with all that info on it.
    This is where I feel for people dealing with the public. Could get accused of being racist for doing your job.

  • +1

    I called my bank not too long ago for some stuff and was asked the same questions. They even asked like the latest 2 transactions and some more specific like (a scheduled transaction). I guess its just standard procedure.

  • Here is the thing. I am a minority. I am black

    Sorry to say but it seems in this instance it was only your self seem to be thinking like that. It seems like a strong confirmation bias where every bad thing that happens you seem to associate with a race…

    As for problem at hand, i dont think it was anything out of the ordinary. Iā€™ve been ask rough balance of my account when I wanted to change my phone pin code for phone banking or enable disable card etc like that… Theyā€™re just doing their job and why would you bother with teller for cash withdrawal in 2021 :-/ Most atm these days allows you to withdraw cash with no fees…

  • +1

    honestly your experience sounds pretty standard. Pretty sure I've been asked the same verification questions before. Don't think it has got anything to do with race and more to do with process and protocol.

  • +1

    Seems like standard procedure, stop having an inferiority complex

    • -2

      I find your comment racist and its upvoting racist - why is this black person inferior?

  • Is it okay to ask which ANZ bank branch it was? I literally had someone yesterday vent to me about one that from what I hear, was just incredibly bad and rude. Like sure people make mistakes but theres always a nice way to tell them before you use a mean way. I'm just interested because it sounds similar and it may not be racial profiling (my friend doesn't have a black background) but legit a bad branch (wasn't just a single person, but person beside had to have their say as well, similar to this).

  • -1

    I'm sorry you're not getting the sympathy you were looking for. Ozbargain usually isn't a forum to give sympathy (quite the opposite in fact lol), particularly when the facts you've provided clearly state that you bear some of the responsibility in making your experience easier.
    It's hard to convey attitude in writing, but you know how you felt, and it must be frustrating to have the whole comment section basically saying you have no right to feel that way. I hope that the teller was being condescending only because you were not an easy customer (from their eyes a frustrating one that didn't bring a card or ID and expect to withdraw a substantial amount anyway), and not due to your skin colour. Nonetheless I agree good customer service should have been friendly and patient regardless.

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