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Seagate Storage Expansion Card for Xbox Series X|S $279.20 Delivered @ Microsoft eBay

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  • +5

    It's still a tough pill to swallow for 1TB, better on the Sony side. I'm holding for a alternative.

    • +7

      for xbox users maybe. but this a gen 4 nvme drive just like the ps5 its a high end ssd.

      I think people are wanting to stick cheap crappy ssd in a console but they don't get that speed is the name of the game. If people just put any ssd in its going to cause problems for developer's.

      1 standard, is what will means everyone has the same experience with every game they play.

      • There are gen 4 nvme drives that are just as fast if not faster, for less money.

        • if you want to do that I suggest you get a ps5 becuase you can install any gen 4 drive in a ps5. you won't be able to do this with an xbox.

        • Also not as easy to install for the average laymen

          And at least Xbox has 1tb internal

      • No way.

        They should have made it $400 and 2tb. $350 for 1tb is a joke.

        Furthermore, I bet microsoft won't reduce the price as storage becomes cheaper. It's awful pricing now and it'll be comparatively worse as time goes on. If we're lucky they'll offer bigger sizes for less $/gb, but it's still going to be a horrible rip-off.

        • +2

          its not standard hardware its proprietary hardware, so the cost of the drive is going to be expensive.

          • @kungfuman: Fundamentally it's storage, what about it needs to be proprietary?

            • @justtoreply: ask microsoft that question because there drives are not off the shielf hardware, the connector is custom.

              • +3

                @kungfuman: You've answered the question. It's no different to Sony's Pro-HG Duo. Or Vita memory cards. It is a rort that doesn't need to exist.

                The only reason to create it is to charge more money for something that was not necessary in the first place.

        • What 2TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 drive can you get for $400?

          • +3

            @TheContact: PNY CS3040 M.2 NVMe Gen4 SSD 2TB was ~$316. Heatsink is ~$12 (or you could get an el cheap $6 one if you really want to).
            There is also the Gigabyte one with heatsink… when on special was around ~$360.

            WD SN750 SE 1TB (below specs but still works) - $144.30

            At least there were some okay deals, rather than the rip of price for essentially SN520 equivalent 1TB SSD that's $279.20.

          • @TheContact: Edit: beaten by netsurfer

        • Necro hard here however Seagate had an exclusive deal with Microsoft on the storage systems for the xbsx. Once this is expired expect more options.

      • Not just like the PS5 SSD. The XBOX Series use a much slower standard storage speed and compatible XBOX devices should retail for much cheaper than this.

        It seems Microsoft like shooting themselves in the foot, a good console for this generation but limits the ability for gamers to store native games, influencing them to buy fewer expensive AAA games.

        Nice work!

        • Yet they had a solution from the start available to the consumer, unlike Sony.

      • +3

        It's PCIe gen 4 x2 (which has the same bandwidth as PCIe gen 3 x4). That's different to PS5's PCIe gen 4 x4 setup.

        So, it is really a PCIe gen 3 x4 DRAMless SSD. Also, bear in mind Series X has a modified WD SN520 (to run in PCIe gen 4 x2 mode).

        Instead of making it affordable, Microsoft has elected to go for this weird PCIe gen 4 x2 path (just for marketing and trick general public who just care about the gen level). High end SSD? Nah, most certainly not. Mid range NVMe DRAMless gen 3 x4 SSD with a PCIe gen 4 x2 controller.

    • +2

      How does XBox Game Pass work on a PS5?

      • +11
        1. Turn off ps5
        2. Turn on Xbox
        3. Enjoy
          Haha
      • +5

        I get the joke, but it doesn't change the fact that this item is 2X at what it should be priced at. Also, is 1TB going to be enough in the long run? This is a CFastExpress device. The annoying part is that whether this is basically CFastExpress 2.0 or a slightly different variant? Technically CFExpress 2.0 is PCIe 3.0 x4, with Microsoft insisting on indicating this is PCIe 4.0 x2.

        Also, why does it have to be Microsoft or Sony? I support both camps and I still want cheaper storage option for Series X.

        You cannot just go GamePass is so great so expensive accessories are okay.

        • +1

          Blah blah blah blah…..it was a tongue-in-cheek comment, mate (in response to the irrelevant "…better on the Sony side…" comment.

          it doesn't change the fact that this item is 2X at what it should be priced at

          Logic? If you can bring one to market at half the asking price - GO FOR IT! I own a Series X and will but a couple. I'm also interested in your budget expansion storage for the Switch and PS4 (I don't own a PS5).

          why does it have to be Microsoft or Sony?

          What is "it"?

          You cannot just go GamePass is so great so expensive accessories are okay.

          Even Google Translate couldn't help me with that

          • +4

            @[Deactivated]: I own both consoles. This storage device is CFastExpress 2.0 based and inside is roughly a WD SN520 equivalent SSD (except it is a Seagate equivalent model).

            Would you buy a SN530 Blue 1TB SSD for $279.20? Just because it is for Series X, does that mean we need to pay double the price?

            Read the comment below from BlueDiesel. There is already an attempt to come up with a CFastExpress to m.2/NVMe converter (which could mean we might be able to use a m.2 NVMe SSD with such converter). The question is whether Microsoft will block it on the OS level. Furthermore, Microsoft has indicated there will be more options available. Right now, it is a monopoly (Seagate is the only choice). I'm sure WD, Samsung and others would want to get into this market. WD provided the flash ROM chips for Series X's internal SSD so it should be easy for WD.

            Please don't get me wrong. My view is this: if I have gotten a 2TB NVMe SSD for my PS5, then I certainly want AT LEAST a 2TB expansion for my Series X and I don't want to overpay.

            • @netsurfer: Please don't mistake me as someone that actually cares about any of this. Seriously.

    • There really aren't many nvme pcie 4 drives with those specs under that price. some in the same balllpark or slightly cheaper, quite a few more expensive. really the price is not unreasonable though should come down further over time.

    • -1

      Yeah 1tb for this money is a joke. I do like how they can be hot swapped though

  • +4

    I just delete games.

    • +3

      Sometimes you want to play multiple games of different genres. The issue in Australia is that the internet isn't fast enough to just redownload a game every time you want to play it.

      • +5

        I simply use an external expansion drive and only keep the current/most played games on the internal drive.

      • +1

        True. Thankfully I'm on a 1gbps HFC connection. Download speeds on the series x are anywhere between 500-900mbps.

    • -2

      the more writing you do to your ssd the quicker it will fail its like any thing. the less writes you do on the ssd the better. you console storage will last longer.

      • Well its a good thing the Series X has a replaceable NVME drive internally, unlike the PS5 soldered internal NVME drive. Planned obsolescence from Sony.

        • +2

          yes and how many people are going to find that proprietary NVME drive that is not standard off the selve hardware?

          then there is the removal of the casing to get it. The average consumer is not even going to attempt this.

          • @kungfuman: Worst case, send it to MS for repair, will likely be much cheaper than sending your PS5 to Sony for repair (new board vs new ssd).

            And its not proprietary, its just a very uncommon length NVME drive, you can find 256GB ones online.

          • @kungfuman: Xbox parts are never standard off the shelf hardware.

        • Apple soldered SSD flash chips onto their devices. The reason why PS5 did that is because it uses a custom controller and has a dedicated core for the internal SSD. It isn't NVMe based, but custom 6 priority level setup, so let's use a bit of common sense, since the whole point is faster direct access, why throw NVMe translation layer to it? That would actually slow it down and break the 6 priority levels into 2 priority level (so the CPU will have to do the re-translation) - simply doesn't make sense.

          That's also Apple's M1 approach. If you can do direct to CPU, you don't have to introduce the NVMe layer. We will be seeing PCIe gen 5 x4 SSDs next year (and PCIe gen 4 x8 SSDs are already available except too expensive so they are mostly used for enterprise setup).

          Microsoft, basically uses a more PC like design (to save cost). Not only that, it doesn't want to spend the money on PCIe gen 4 x4, so electing to go PCIe gen 4 x 2 (which is essentially the same as PCIe gen 3 x 4). It wasn't even willing to go WD Blue SN530. The expansion is CFExpress 2.0.

          While Microsoft does a lot of things well for Series X, on the storage size, Sony has done better this time around. I get the QuickResume on Series X is really great, but Microsoft is more aggressive in forcing you to put games on fast SSD storage. It is a console so cost is an issue. Don't overhype either console in terms of hardware. PS5, while the dedicated core for SSD is a good idea, the actual SSD flash ROM chips aren't top notch (cost issue).

          GamePass will carry Series X and if Sony continued to delay their exclusives, Sony will be in a tough situation. Price hike on PS5 games is also quite bad.

  • +3

    think cheap adapter is coming soon

  • I simply use an external expansion drive and only keep the current/most played games on the internal drive.

  • Soon there will be adaptors to buy and you can use any SSD you like for a reasonable price.

    • -1

      You're dreaming.

      I can't see that happening since the NVMe technology storage expansion for the Xbox Series S|X is proprietary. Seagate only gets to make it because they are officially licensed by Microsoft to make it. They would be under a proprietary technology licensing agreement. So i can't see Microsoft licensing the technology out to other parties other than Seagate or maybe WD in the future. But it certainly won't be some unknown manufacturer. There certainly won't be officially licensed adapters made by unknown manufacturers.

      • Where there's a will there is a way, and there is always a will to make money. https://www.gamesradar.com/au/this-xbox-series-x-storage-ada…

      • The interface is CFastExpress. Looks like it is CFastExpress 2.0 or a minor revision of that. Question is whether Microsoft is going to be nasty and block converters (my guess would be yes).

        I am a bit surprised with PS5's approach. Installing the NVMe SSD is still annoying, but the firmware basically accepts any PCIe gen 4 NVMe SSDs, even SN750 SE.

        • Downside with the PS5 arrangement is that the SSD is not easily hot swapable. And the system can't be running while the SSD is removed either.

          • @hollykryten: PS5's firmware for external storage support has always been bad. Even swapping a USB 3 based storage device on a PS5 is a pain (you have to go into settings and remove it before unplugging). Transferring from one USB storage to another USB storage is not possible so it has to be move from source USB to the internal SSD and then from the internal SSD to the target USB.

            If you only have one console, then hot swappable probably isn't a big deal (even with USB, I know XBox supports multiple of them, but I still only use one normally). I am used to QuickResume so swapping external storage is annoying.

            No doubt that if you have two XBox Series S|X, then there is a clear advantage. Likewise if you visit friends with XBox Series S|X often.

            It is still early days. Hopefully, there will be more choices and Microsoft won't block attempts with CFastExpress to m.2/NVMe converters. Even with such converters, there will still be challenges (which SSDs will work and wouldn't it be great if PCIe gen 3 x4 SSDs work). If Microsoft were to release such a converter, that converter will sell like hot cakes.

          • @hollykryten: Don't see any reason to be hot swappable. Just turn off and turn on. You're not running a server.

  • +1

    Even looking past the price, I can't see an extra 1tb being enough. It'll fill up just as quickly as the internal storage, especially if you're signed up for game pass. I'd much rather a larger drive and be done with it for the life of the console.

    • +2

      That's the problem with NVMe Gen 4 SSD technology at the moment. It's still expensive for any reasonable amount of storage capacity.

      • +1

        It's not the case for Series S|X. Honestly, Microsoft is using the NVMe PCIe gen 4 tag to trick general public. Microsoft made a choice (honestly, a sensible choice) to go with cost effective SSD (which means PCIe gen 3 x4 or PCIe gen 4 x2 if you really want to do a PCIe gen 4 spin on it).

        We know Series X's internal SSD is essentially a custom WD SN520. Let's just be realistic and accept that. Therefore, cost effective expansion for Series X is possible. It just needs Seagate and Microsoft not to take such a big cut when selling these.

        Let's not hype up NVMe PCIe gen 4 too much. We are looking at TLC NAND chips with the ability to write in SLC mode (for the cache) and a multi-channel controller to boost sequential read. Clearly, we don't need a top notch PCIe gen 4 x4 controller for Series X.

  • Might have to bite the bullet and get this, only got about 15gb left on my series x and with forza and new cod coming out I’ll need it

    • The good thing about this is it's hot swapable unlike what's found in the PS5. For more storage in the future aftwards you can just pull the card out of the rear slot and place another expansion card in and bobs your uncle the games on that SSD show up on the playable list. It's like the portable hard drive gaming arrangement on the Xbox One S|X except much faster since it's a Gen 4 SSD card.

      So if you run out of space again on the expansion card. Just buy another one and have a hot swap arrangement going.

      • Yeah that’s a good point. I have about 5 sports games on there so each year hopefully game pass will then make them free and just delete the previous years game

  • There is a suggestion that Seagate have an exclusivity deal with MS for the production of these for a little while and that third party cards/adapters may be available once that expires.

    • Yeah I was thinking maybe 12 months exclusive which would bring us to November 2021, hopefully December we see other brands.

  • -4

    Top shelf Samsung 980 Pro 1TB could be had for ~$200 versus this B grade memory. In another 3-4 years this is going to age very poorly when 2TB SSDs are under $200 elsewhere.

    Either way it's not the price that was a poor choice (eventually it'll become acceptable), it's that these are slow memory and they can't fix that.

  • Just tried to buy it and out of stock.

    • Keep an eye on it. Microsoft might have more stock out in the warehouse some where.

    • Well see there's more stock available right now.

  • a few more up again.
    97% sold.

  • More in stock! Just bought one.

    • Yep got one too.

  • Got one from the second drop.

  • +1

    Doh - missed out -

    Hey Op - all sold out

  • +1

    Mine has already been delivered. Super fast service.

    • Rough, mine is in Melbourne

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