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Low-Earth Orbit Satellite Internet (up to 370Mbps/51.6Mbps) $139/Month + $809 Hardware Delivered @ Starlink (Excludes NT)

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Low-Earth Orbit Satellite Internet (up to 370Mbps/51.6Mbps) $139/Month + $809 Hardware Delivered @ Starlink (Excludes NT)
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[Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 21:45 starlink.com (8988 clicks)
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I have checked address
[NSW][VIC][SA][WA][TAS][QLD][ACT] I've tried all these addresses and only [NT] Northern Territory was not covered so this is basically Australia Wide.
QLD and WA only seems to cover some areas right now.

Elon Musk’s space venture - Starlink is now available for orders now!

Starlink is a satellite internet service providing high-speed, low latency broadband internet with speeds from 50Mb/s to 400Mb/s and latency from 20ms to 40ms. Early users are reporting speeds of 300Mbps+.

I've been checking every month and its now out of preorder for 99% of Australian addresses

You will need to pay $809 for hardware ($709 satellite dish +$100 shipping) and a $139/month service fee.

This looks like an attractive option for those on NBN satellite. Also can be worthwhile to replace a slower NBN connection due to the exorbitant prices for a NBN FTTP upgrade.

Starlink is now out of beta, and max speeds have doubled from 150mbps to 250mbps+ for most reviewers I saw on Youtube
"As we launch more satellites, install more ground stations and improve our networking software, data speed, latency and uptime will improve dramatically."

As a point of reference, the best speeds I have seen on Youtube achieved on Starlink in Australia are
Download: 370 Mbps
Upload: 51.6 Mbps
Ping: 20 ms

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        • mskeggs on 27/11/2021 - 22:21
          +5

          The plan is satellite to satellite using lasers, and the speed of light in a vacuum is faster. But the biggest benefit will be if they can cut out hops as switching and routing takes time.

          • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:52
            +3

            @mskeggs: Yes. Switching/forward delay far exceeds propagation delay

        • ColonialBoy on 28/11/2021 - 00:32

          The ultimate use-case for these is lower latency for faster programmed stock trading, and that alone justifies their cost. We are talking New York <-> Chicago and New York <-> London.

        • spaceflight on 28/11/2021 - 11:07

          There no air in space

          • askvictor on 28/11/2021 - 11:52

            @spaceflight: Not much in LEO, anyway (but it's not a hard boundary, which is why LEO sats slow down over time). Speed of light through air and speed of light through space/vacuum/near-vacuum is pretty damn close; and about 50% faster than through fibre. But if you want to pick nits, bring it on!

        • Russ on 30/11/2021 - 12:37

          Light speed through fibre is about 2/3 of speed through air

          For conventional (solid core) fiber, correct. But now there is "hollow-core fiber", with nanoscale holes through which the light travels. Bizarrely, the holes are so small that air molecules don't go into the holes, so the light is traveling at light-in-vacuum speed, slightly faster than light-in-air speed.

          Wikipedia has an overview, but some sections of it are badly worded:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photonic-crystal_fiber

          And it's starting to be used commercially:
          https://www.fibre-systems.com/news/hollow-core-fibre-cable-u…

      • philmarcracken on 27/11/2021 - 23:25
        +2

        But how is the Indonesian government supposed to cut SE-MEI-WEI3 now?

    • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:01
      +4

      Not yet, really - we still go via a POP in Sydney. But once v2 satellites (and possibly v1.5, iirc) which have laser links between satellites, it should be much better.

      • furythree on 30/11/2021 - 14:34

        can you explain the POP bit and the reference to ground stations

        i thought this was all satellite to dish and no middle

  • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:01
    +22

    Been on it for a few months here, and have it mounted on the roof - works wonderfully.

    Much better than the NBN fixed wireless we had before.

    According to regular speed tests we run (automatically hourly), Our average is 223 down, 12.3 up - with the best down I've seen being 370Mbps down and 51.6Mbps up.

    Located in the South Gippsland region in Victoria.

    • joshx on 27/11/2021 - 22:03

      What was the latency like with the fixed wireless before? What is it like now? Is the latency stable?

      I've noticed that when having video chats with colleagues who use starlink in the US, randomly it'll dip quality (satellites changing?).

      • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:05
        +1

        Super variable - even with super low obstructions. We still occasionally see "network issues" (when the satellite / internet link has issues) - but have generally had a reasonable time zooming.

        Speed and latency both vary a bunch, from 30-80ms often.

        • thirtysixd on 04/12/2021 - 15:15

          latency to where though?

          im curious about what you could ping to say singapore or us east/west?

    • psyphon11 on 27/11/2021 - 22:07

      what do you use to run those speed tests?

    • XXRydeR on 28/11/2021 - 07:19

      I wonder if that has anything to do with a ground station being close by? There's one in Koonwarra.

      I'm seriously looking at starlink, have one property on FTTN and one on Fixed Wireless in South Gippy. Both connections are terrible.

      How long did your setup take?

      • dinglejerry on 28/11/2021 - 09:56

        Makes you wonder what was the point of the bloody NBN

        • Russ on 28/11/2021 - 10:19
          +1

          When the NBN rollout started, it wasn't foreseeable that a billionaire would drop the price of satellites by an order of magnitude, nor that a billionaire would stake an enormous amount of money on putting up the largest satellite network in history.

          So the government of the day went with what was known at the time.

          And NBN is still cheaper and faster for the vast majority of Australians, and will continue to make a profit for the Australian government for the foreseeable future.

        • tp0 on 28/11/2021 - 10:25
          +1

          You mean what was the point of 7% of the nbn. The fixed line network is far more fit for purpose than LEO satellite where it exists.

          Hell it’d be even better fit for purpose if it was all fibre like it was supposed to be.

          • dinglejerry on 28/11/2021 - 10:39

            @tp0: It was never supposed to be all fibre. 93% was meant to be fibre-to-the-premises which would have been a good result.

            But it was also meant to cure the ills of regional Australia when it came to the internet and it hasn't really done a great job of that

            • tp0 on 28/11/2021 - 13:50
              +1

              @dinglejerry: Buddy, I know. I mean the fixed line was supposed to be all fibre.

              I even made a specific reference to the other 7% not being fibre.

              As for how good it was at providing internet to regional Australia that’s really a tale of two technologies. Fixed wireless works: good speeds (70-80mbps), reasonably low latency and low cost.

              Geostationary satellite however is not a good solution however when plans were made for nbn satellite Starlink was still years away from beginning early stage planning.

              • dinglejerry on 28/11/2021 - 15:41

                @tp0: I wasn't having a go at you, I worked at nbn myself and it just really angers me the way a great opportunity to truly nail broadband in this country through rigid thinking, political point scoring and incompetence , was botched.

                Interesting you say that re Fw.. I've heard very mixed feedback. Satellite, I've rarely heard anything good and the taxpayer is funding satellites that will largely be superseded by things like starlink though I accept your point re the horizon looking different at that stage

                • theg00s3 on 29/11/2021 - 20:54

                  @dinglejerry: I think the current state of FW is because the nbn has overloaded the towers and is incredibly slow to upgrade them

      • SuttoL on 28/11/2021 - 10:33

        Setup is easy (plug and play, pretty much - assuming you have field of view - you can test with the app, and the app is pessimistic).

        Properly mounting was more effort - for some people it's a matter of attaching to a tin roof with some tek screws, DIY style. We wanted best view possible, so we got a custom mount on our eave. Standard J-Poles etc should work.

        By comparison (we're in Poowong, ~500m from the Fixed Wireless tower) - we were getting 30-40 (typically, hard to keep track as it was super variable) on NBN fixed wireless, averaging a lot better with this with minimal drop outs.

        For the first few weeks, I literally just sat it on our back lawn, but that would cut out when trees were in the way of the satellites.

    • evocable on 28/11/2021 - 12:42

      What a way to waste bandwidth

  • sortius on 27/11/2021 - 22:05
    -6

    I'll stick with my FTTP, especially since reports from the US are that Starlink can have some serious problems (dropouts, sub-20Mbps speeds, intense periods of packet loss, etc)

    I'd do some reading on what the experience is like in the US before committing almost $1000 to try it out, especially if you live in a valley or in an area with lots of obstructions to the horizon.

    • cooni on 27/11/2021 - 22:52
      +53

      I don't think you're the target demographic if you have FTTP…

      • sortius on 28/11/2021 - 13:58

        Maybe tell that to Elon

    • MorriJ on 27/11/2021 - 23:17

      Worth a read; if you have obstructions you will have issues. I have two ~25m trees that are causing me some issues, will need to put dishy 10-20m up a tree to clear them.

      https://ibb.co/t8QnL0W

      That said, they $800 kit is refundable if your performance isnt up to scratch. If you have FTTP, it's not really for you - it's target market really is the premises with poor internet technologies (Fixed wireless, skymuster or in my case no NBN).

  • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:06
    +7

    Do they provide the lan cable? can it tangle up with your clothes line at all? how is it with wind?

    • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:08
      +4

      Hard wired 30m (IIRC) cable with the dishes we get in AU, and pretty serious PoE injector. Also get a basic router, but many people switch out for something better.

      Ours is roof mounted + routed through house, no issues with Wind

      • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:13
        +9

        No I meant from the satellite.

        • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:19
          +13

          Totally went over my head 😂

          • Alzori on 27/11/2021 - 23:48

            @SuttoL: Was it connected to the satellite?

    • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:07
      -1

      well the only way is ups

    • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:11
      +13

      This service is not aimed at you, looks like an attractive option for those on NBN satellite. Also can be worthwhile to replace a slower NBN connection due to the exorbitant prices for a NBN FTTP upgrade.

      • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:54
        +3

        Or people who don’t even have NBN yet

    • Savas on 27/11/2021 - 22:13
      +14

      Huge deal for the people spending $100/month for 50GB on NBN skymuster

    • mskeggs on 27/11/2021 - 22:27
      +2

      I know plenty of people getting less than 50mbps in FTTN that will be interested too.

    • GrueHunter on 27/11/2021 - 22:38
      +10

      Oh good for you

      Hey everyone this bloke has fibre to the premises, everyone can just stop looking for better internet now

      Just fork over $14k to switch over from fibre to the node and you can be like this champion /s

      • BenTheBargainer2013 on 27/11/2021 - 23:00
        +3

        20k for me to upgrade fttn to fttp

      • daitro on 28/11/2021 - 17:55

        I have 1000/50 on HFC.

      • furythree on 30/11/2021 - 14:35

        yeah typical got mine attitude from that guy

    • Axelstrife on 27/11/2021 - 22:50
      +5

      Man this deal is fully of stupid comments like yours, YOU ARE NOT THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THIS PRODUCT!

  • auozb on 27/11/2021 - 22:08
    +4

    How much data allowance do you get per month?
    Not mentioned anywhere….
    I'm surprised no one is asking that, as it doesn't say that it is unlimited.

    • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:09
      +5

      Unlimited at the moment, but we're in Beta still AFAIK (at least in Aus), so may change.

      • auozb on 27/11/2021 - 22:27

        thanks mate! unfortunately I'm NT

        • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:37
          +1

          Starlink is targeting coverage in your area in 2022.

  • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:12
    +15

    As I've commented in sub-comments, I've been using it for months.

    Generally, pretty solid - once you have a clear field of view of the sky - It automatically points dishy, so need a field of view that is quite open.

    We're roof mounted (with a custom built eave mount), and having an awesome time - still some rough edges (it's in theory supposed to be coming out of beta, but not quite there yet) - but generally, much better.

    Starlink isn't for you if you have FTTP or HFC / decent hard wired.

    It's a game changer for areas with Skymuster, Fixed Wireless - or no service at all.

    Think of being able to buy a house in a random country place, and have 200+Mbps down on the regular, and 20Mbps up. It's surprisingly stable - it's satellite, so never going to beat FTTP in latency / stability, but it's a huge upgrade.

    We were on NBN FW (<500m from tower, and typically was 30Mbps or so down with similar pings) - load balanced with a Telstra 4G connection, for the same rough monthly price and 100Mbps down or so. We're getting much better speeds now, and latency has been good. Stability is pretty good, but still ocassional issues whilst testing.

    • AccioHagrid on 27/11/2021 - 22:17

      How's stability in harsher weather?

      • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:18
        +1

        We've had a heap of rain, heaps of wind and hail. Of the three, only Hail has caused issues - and the dish was in an unstable area. few minutes of downtime, and it was back and full speed.

        Wind was literally sitting on a tin shed roof with a few bricks on the legs (pre-mounting properly), and it was solid.

        Rain seems like no issues (Gippsland here, so no shortage of rain).

        • sachz on 27/11/2021 - 23:32
          +6

          to be fair SEVERE WEATHER also impacts on HFC NBN and other hard wired NBN connections as well.

          • Russ on 28/11/2021 - 10:30

            @sachz: And power outages too, if you have fttn. The batteries in fttn nodes only power the node for a short time. If you have UPS at your site, starlink will continue to run during extended power outages, for example those caused by flooding or downed power lines.

      • Belistic on 28/11/2021 - 09:07

        We had had no problems in the previous few months with the storms we had.
        Foxtel satellite would cut in and out, but internet didn't drop out once.

    • giordan0 on 28/11/2021 - 03:34

      Hi, are you the one that posted that review on OCAU?

  • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 22:13
    +2

    I just tried two addresses of properties my family owns in regional south west WA - both of them not covered until 2022. Margaret river wine region - I suppose just one more year isn't much to wait for passable internet…

    • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:16
      +2

      WA has only come online in the last few weeks - it's possible they've already filled the cells in those areas (there is limited capacity atm until more satellites come online).

  • DoctorCalculon on 27/11/2021 - 22:21

    You will need to pay $809 for hardware ($709 satellite dish +$100 shipping) and a $139/month service fee.

    Hardware (satellite dish) can be installed by the user themselves? Or, do you need to hire a professional antenna installer?

    • SuttoL on 27/11/2021 - 22:23
      +7

      Can install yourself, and lots do.

      Can buy a pole mount and install on most common antenna mounts - or if you have a tin roof, lots of users just tek screw it into the roof.

      It's self orienting / calibrating, so no need to have someone do the whole "get the dish at the exact angle and location" - make sure it has clear FoV (there is an app to help), and you're good to go.

  • guo-au on 27/11/2021 - 22:46

    Why do we even need NBN satellites?

    • klaw81 on 30/11/2021 - 17:30

      We probably won't need them, once Starlink is available everywhere in Australia.

      But when they were launched, Starlink was still only a concept, and there was absolutely no reason to believe a viable alternative would ever exist for Australians.

      The first batch of 1st-generation experimental Starlink satellites wouldn't be launched for another 3 years, and it wasn't certain they'd be successful. Based on Elon's recent comments, it's still not certain to be financially viable without further innovations in launch systems.

  • Shon on 27/11/2021 - 22:49
    +1

    I paid for and was on the waitlist in July. The thing that was never mentioned : "Currently, Starlink's Australian operating licence only allows it to provide service in "low and remote density areas", which mostly excludes capital cities" - so my address was accepted as was my money. But I assume they couldn't provide me service.

    Has this changed since? Or are a lot of people on FTTC or worse about to put their money down and play the same waiting game I did.

  • itsme56 on 27/11/2021 - 23:01
    +2

    Title needs changing to lower case b. It’s Megabits not MegaBytes.

    • Twix on 27/11/2021 - 23:03
      +1

      Updated.

  • dinglejerry on 27/11/2021 - 23:04

    Great initiative this, I just can't fork out the $139 pm ATM but doubt it will go down

  • sachz on 27/11/2021 - 23:30

    im in metropolitan sydney and i get the following:

    Starlink expects to expand service in your area by late 2022 to early 2023. You will receive a notification once your Starlink is ready to ship.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 23:46

      Might be oversubscribed in the area

  • vchung916 on 27/11/2021 - 23:33
    +1

    If I watch Netflix with Starlink, will I get the American Netflix content?

    • Tacooo on 27/11/2021 - 23:54
      +13

      Does your Taiwan-built computer give you Taiwanese Netflix?

    • MorriJ on 27/11/2021 - 23:58
      +3

      Nah, your IP will be a local IP to your region.

      AS 36492 GOOGLEWIFI is where the IPs for my link come from at the moment; allocated within the 512 addresses in the ASN for SpaceX Starlink, Sydney

      • vchung916 on 28/11/2021 - 17:04

        Thanks. I've found something interesting on Reddit.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/pmfk97/ip_address…

        • MorriJ on 28/11/2021 - 17:47

          Yeah early days they may have moved some of the ips around to meet demand in Canada. That or Disney using an outdated ip geo database; didn’t read the link too much.

          In oz at least they are using google allocated asns for your ip so should be clear to any geoip sourcing that it’s an oz one. It’s what’s allocated to your local cell thingy that it travels back to I guess.

          My ip changes a bit but only within the same ranges.

        • Ryanek on 03/12/2021 - 22:01

          Oh, you were actually being serious

  • EvilPan6a on 27/11/2021 - 23:43

    So it's not for those who have FTTP.
    I pay just $59/Month for 80+ Mbps Download and 35+ Mbps Upload with very good ping with generic TPLink router
    Speed Test

    • MorriJ on 28/11/2021 - 00:09

      If that's enough for you; brilliant! What TPG plan are you on for $59/month may I ask?

      • EvilPan6a on 28/11/2021 - 01:50
        +1

        It's called FTTB M Bundle (Unlimited 90 Mbps)

  • Fiora on 27/11/2021 - 23:50

    My 2 cents on starlink is that its great for a rural area and the speeds whether down/up are incredible compared to what I feel you can get elsewhere besides FTTP, however I feel with all satellite connections it just suffers from random or prolonged drop out especially with inclement weather, as well as the packet loss/ping spiking in video games is very random but when it does hit, it hits hard.

    In regards to packet loss/ping running from the router via Ethernet to the PC, on Rocket League I can get say 20-30 ping which is fair, but whenever I experience packet loss or ping spikes the game is mere unplayable for those 10 seconds or so before it stabilises again. Another example is when this happens to me in Destiny 2, I'll get error coded to orbit due to poor connectivity.

    • [Deactivated] on 27/11/2021 - 23:54

      @Fiora What about League of Legends

      • Fiora on 27/11/2021 - 23:57

        Ah look, I personally play league on and off every several months so I cannot provide any information of how it ran on LoL

        • [Deactivated] on 28/11/2021 - 00:09
          +1

          But your name is Fiora, a LoL champion

  • tkwkrnen on 28/11/2021 - 00:25
    +3

    Assuming you carry around your dish when travelling as digital nomad style ish moving places around quite often. Would it work world wide?

    Thinking out loud here just 🤔

    • inventel on 28/11/2021 - 01:38
      +2

      It only works in the allocated service area at the moment

  • incipient on 28/11/2021 - 00:44

    Ahh you came so close spacex…

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5ff3e583a853b80a3e68fe…

  • pompompom on 28/11/2021 - 00:45
    -2

    Useless unless you live in the middle of the dessert.
    Even so chances are you probably won't be able to afford this living in the middle of dessert.

    • VerticallyIntegrated on 28/11/2021 - 06:39
      +2

      Just past Pavlova?

      How about you?

    • SuttoL on 28/11/2021 - 10:34

      I'm about an hour and a half from Melbourne CBD - hardly "middle of the desert", but our town is on fixed wireless, with no fibre (as far as I can tell) within 30-40km. NBN won't even quote to upgrade to FTTP. Our Fixed Wireless towers as far as I know use microwave relays back to a place with fibre.

      AKA, It's a huge step up - and hardly the middle of the dessert as you say.

  • Jackamo on 28/11/2021 - 01:29

    It's all about speed and latency, I think I'll wait for FTTS (fiber to the satellite).

  • amazonaddict on 28/11/2021 - 01:34
    +1

    I watch this ozbargainer. Brilliant production quality on his videos. Big fan. He returned his starlink set up. Better watch that video.

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