Entry Level Gaming PC - i5-11400, 16GB, RX6500XT $999 + Delivery ($0 MEL C&C) @ BPC Technology

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Entry Level Gaming PC - i5-11400, 16GB, RX6500XT $999 + Delivery ($0 MEL C&C) @ BPC Technology

Lagro1942 on 10/02/2022 - 12:11 bpctech.com.au (1594 clicks)
Last edited 10/02/2022 - 18:28 by 1 other user

Quite possibly the cheapest entry level gaming PC I've seen for a while? Happy to delete if its not a deal. Great for a kids gaming rig (or even just office PC with some light gaming?)

I'd say its probably a decent Minecraft/Fortnite/Roblox rig easily? I don't know much about the 6500XT. Note it does have a small SSD, but decent mechanical so factor that in for install sizes.

They have a $99+ free shipping deal on, but it excludes gaming PC's I believe.

Part list:
Intel Core i5 11400 6-Core LGA 1200 2.6GHz CPU Processor
MSI H510M-A PRO mATX Motherboard - 2x DDR4, 1x PCI-E 4.0 x16, 4x SATA3, 2x M.2, 2x USB 3.2, HDMI 2.0b, VGA, Micro ATX
Kingston Fury Beast 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz CL16 DDR4
MSI Radeon RX 6500 XT MECH 2X 4G OC Video Card
GIGABYTE GSM2NE3 M.2 NVMe Solid State Drive 256GB
Seagate ST1000DM010 1TB BarraCuda 3.5
EVGA 450 BV 450W 80+ BRONZE Power Supply
Deepcool MACUBE 110 Tempered Glass Mini Tower Micro-ATX Case - Black

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Aureus on 10/02/2022 - 12:20

+16

6500 XT is pretty terrible, expecially with PCIe 3. Not saying this is a bad deal, but if you are looking for a gaming PC and want value, get something second hand. Otherwise pay a bit more for something semi decent.
- xyron on 10/02/2022 - 12:24
  
  +12
  
  This system supports PCIe 4.0 thanks to having a 500 series chipset and an 11th gen CPU, but otherwise I agree with you, the 6500XT is a rubbish product. Wouldn't be surprised to see more rigs like this being flogged off to get rid of 6500XT stock.
- agro1942 on 10/02/2022 - 12:33
  
  +5
  
  Yeah I won't argue it, but this could be a good mum and dad purchase - they aren't wanting to deal with second hand, and on a tight budget. Happy to leave the post up for now unless I get a wave of people saying its useless, but there's always different target markets. If your kid is needing a school PC with some Minecraft on the side its not bad really.
  - Dvbargain on 10/02/2022 - 12:49
    
    +6
    
    Better than most second hand 1k rigs… And if it supports pcie 4 the performance is "acceptable" for a sub 1k ready to go gaming pc at 1080p
    - Godgodgod on 10/02/2022 - 12:57
      
      +3
      
      Lol so true. The so called high-end "gaming PC's" then under the specs typically having 3rd or 4th gen i5 and GTX 750ti or 1050s.
    - mr_fjackson on 10/02/2022 - 14:47
      
      Yeah and just wait out the GPU shortage
  - mlakmlak on 10/02/2022 - 13:11
    
    +5
    
    could be a good mum and dad purchase
    
    I hate that stereotype.
  - demiurge on 10/02/2022 - 13:49
    
    +5
    
    Mum and dad will be fine with integrated graphics.
    - [Deactivated] on 10/02/2022 - 13:53
      
      +3
      
      not for Mum and dad crypto miners it ain't.
    - tm32 on 10/02/2022 - 14:47
      
      +5
      
      Mum and dad probably understand the technology options than todays kids who have grown up with ipads as there idea of a computer :-)
- Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 13:50
  
  +12
  
  why is it terrible? what can you get for $320 or less that is so much better? second hand or otherwise? I don't understand why people are so mad at the 6500xt, and saying how its so bad and how the 3050 is so much better. Like you gotta keep in mind the price. the 3050 is nearly twice as expensive as the 6500xt.
  
  At pccg for example, for $329 you can get a 1050ti which is so much worse than the $319 6500xt.
  
  for around the same price (350) atm on fb marketplace you can get a 1060 which is comparable to the 6500xt; sometimes wins, sometimes loses, depending on the game, I would say its slightly in the favour of the 6500xt on average but depends on which games you play.
  - [Deactivated] on 10/02/2022 - 13:54
    
    +4
    
    a single 3080 GPU can buy 2 of these PCs, I think its a good value, even the HODLer brigade will approve?
  - Handymancan on 10/02/2022 - 14:19
    
    -5
    
    You can get a good Nvidia Gtx 1070 anywhere between $350-$400 on the used market.
    Much better performance compared to the 6500xt which will not age well imo.
    - mr_fjackson on 10/02/2022 - 15:00
      
      +9
      
      I don't think it's fair to compare a new product that is guaranteed to work and has a warranty. to a 5 year old card that you might be able to buy off gumtree/FBMP.
      
      Secondly a 6500xt will run off a 450psu so your going to have to factor in another $50-100 for a PSU, then your case might need an upgrade as well to fit the card, then more heat from the card = more case fans.
    - Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 15:19
      
      +5
      
      Yep the 1070 is better performance, looks to be about 10-20% better at 1080p gaming.
      
      The problem is there's no 1070 for $350, the cheapest I can find is $400, with most of them at $450. But even at $400 that is a 25% price increase over the $320 6500xt. So you're paying 25% more for a second hand, up to 6 year old card which only delivers up to 20% more performance.
      - Handymancan on 10/02/2022 - 16:35
        
        -1
        
        @Aequitas: Technically you are right, used market is hit or miss but through negotiation you can get a good deal.
        Friend of mine recently bought an Asus Gtx 1070 in pristine condition with box for only $350 which beats the 6500xt.
        
        The major advantage of used markets is ability to negotiate, however drawback is the risk you take in terms of warranty. If you're lucky however Nvidia cards these days tend to last forever with proper care.
        
        6500XT 4gb VRAM seems limiting compared to 8gb VRAM of 1070. Nvidia software is also better in my experience.
        The 1070 doesn't require much juice as it's a 150W TDP card, good quality 450W should suffice but I'm willing to bet majority of people have a better psu already anyway.
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 17:02
        
        +4
        
        @Handymancan: that's not really the point. you can't compare "a good deal" that you just happened to get, with the retail price of a product at a store. If my mate sells me his old 1080ti for $100, we can't really use that to guage how good a deal this is can we? I'm not doubting that you can if you're lucky get a 1070 for under $400, but when I looked there was one for $400 and multiple for $450, I was already generous in using $400 instead of $450 for the comparison.
        
        Handymancan on 10/02/2022 - 17:22
        
        -2
        
        @Aequitas: He didn't just buy it "off a mate" he bought it on the free used market place.
        Of course we are comparing apples & oranges here. Everyone is entitled to their own choices & actions while I'm throwing my 2 cents out there.
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 17:29
        
        +2
        
        @Handymancan: yes but my point is, a one off lucky bargain is not eligible for this sort of comparison. you have to look at what the price is that someone can easily get. I bought something of marketplace worth $1200 for $50 because I got lucky and they were moving and needed it gone. But if I were to try and buy it again and I wanted it right now, there's plenty of listings for it, but I would be spending around $800 for the same thing.
        
        Handymancan on 10/02/2022 - 18:12
        
        @Aequitas: Your examples are quite extreme to be honest. This is not about being lucky, it's about negotiation.
        I'm not taking anything away from this deal as it will suit some people, but it may not suit everybody.
        Am I right to say that this is what people should be aware of as part of the Oz bargain community?
    - deeby on 10/02/2022 - 22:00
      
      +4
      
      A good second hand deal might pop up once in a while but that shouldn't be the comparison benchmark. Deal hunting wastes a lot of time and there is no buyer security from Gumtree / FB Marketplace.
      
      A buy-it-now 1070's on Ebay is much closer to $500. Frankly that's a terrible price considering lack of warranty and that they've probably been used for 5+ years. Ebay buyer protection is only for about 3 months. If the card fails shortly after that then you're SOL with a $500 paperweight!
      - Handymancan on 11/02/2022 - 14:16
        
        @deeby: It's an option for those who may find it useful. Use local face to face fb marketplace or gumtree, avoid Ebay.
        Good quality Nvidia cards tend to last forever from my experience. Purchase this deal if it suits your needs as it's an entry level brand new accessible gaming Pc with quick delivery.
  - BROKENKEYBOARD on 10/02/2022 - 16:04
    
    +2
    
    People say it's bad because they're comparing it to old instead of current GPU prices.
    - gromit on 10/02/2022 - 16:49
      
      +2
      
      No it tends to be because the 6500XT is a true dog of a card. it is pricey for what it delivers performance and feature wise.
      
      a good review of why
      https://www.techspot.com/review/2398-amd-radeon-6500-xt/
      - BROKENKEYBOARD on 10/02/2022 - 17:07
        
        +2
        
        @gromit: If it's so bad can you link a better GPU for a similar price?
        
        gromit on 10/02/2022 - 17:30
        
        +1
        
        @BROKENKEYBOARD: no I can't. That doesn't make this a good buy though. If I was in the boat where this is the best I could afford I would go secondhand last gen card if I had to and could find one or suffer through with integrated graphics till a real budget card came along.
        
        BROKENKEYBOARD on 10/02/2022 - 18:10
        
        +2
        
        @gromit:
        
        That doesn't make this a good buy though
        
        I never said it was a good buy, people are just over exaggerating it as if it's really bad but in reality it's "average" in the current market.
        
        gromit on 10/02/2022 - 18:15
        
        +1
        
        @BROKENKEYBOARD: I would put it below average given features vs price, but sure. The real issue though is we are so close to a lot of competition entering this market, I just don't think spending that sort of money on a below average card is smart when supposedly we are about to have Intel join this market with a lot of cheap offerings. I would at least hang out till March to see what happens unless you are absolutely desperate for something before then.
      - Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 17:14
        
        +2
        
        @gromit: Thats a terrible review, it's clearly full of bias. But even so, everything he said was just assuming that the price would jump up. Which it hasn't, you can buy the 6500xt for rrp right now in stock in multiple stores. So you can look at the "wishful thinking" graph, and see that he thinks the 6500xt is actually the best value card.
        
        gromit on 10/02/2022 - 17:25
        
        +2
        
        @Aequitas: No everything he said pretty well mirrors many other reviews and was based on RRP, he expected price to jump up which would make this dog even worse.
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 17:36
        
        +2
        
        @gromit: This article and every other review I've seen are comparing the rrp's which is why the 6500xt comes out looking so bad. But that's just an idiotic thing to do. No graphics card has been rrp for the last nearly 3 years. If you compare current actual prices, the 6500xt is actually a very good value card. The author of your article even shows this with the "wishful thinking" graph that he did, which shows the 6500xt at rrp price against the used market prices of other cards. Although he assumed it would never happen. But it did happen. The 6500xt is selling at rrp prices, most likely because it sucks at mining and because of all the negative media from reviewers.
        
        So as the current prices sit, the 6500xt is a great value for money card. someone else already challenged you to afind a better gpu and you can't do it, because none exist. So I don't understand how you can still argue?
        
        gromit on 10/02/2022 - 17:41
        
        +1
        
        @Aequitas: The card is so bad as it has performance and specs that are worse than last gen budget with prices that are higher and it gets smoked by the 3050, a little bit of patience and you will likely get far better. Reports in USA are these are starting to sit on shelves as they are a hard sell.
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 17:51
        
        +3
        
        @gromit: You are comparing last gen rrp. Even on the used market you cannot get a better card for less money. How can the 3050 "smoke" the 6500xt when it costs over double and has only like 40% to 70% better performance?
        
        gromit on 10/02/2022 - 18:01
        
        +1
        
        @Aequitas: Simply stating facts. You are free to buy this dog, long as you never want more than 1080p, never want to encode or use AV1 then this card may suffice. Though if your requirements are so low I would stick to integrated till something reasonable comes along. FYI the reason this card is available at RRP is because very few people want it, very hard sell, not even scalpers are buying them up as they can't resell them profitably. Also remember Intel are about to attack the budget and mid range market with offerings in March.
        
        deeby on 10/02/2022 - 22:11
        
        +3
        
        @gromit: You need to wake up. Cards in this market do not sell at RRP. Pure market forces determine price.
        
        If 6500XT was a much better product then it would be much more expensive, then everyone would whine about the price… like how they are whining about the 3050. Can't have the cake and eat it too unfortunately. Wanting 6600 level of performance at 6500XT prices is unrealistic to expect out of AMD right now.
        
        At $330 I think the 6500 XT is fine. It performs adequately at 1080P even on PCIe3 in most games and comes with peace of mind warranty. What other option is there at this price?
- gmatht on 10/02/2022 - 16:20
  
  +1
  
  Yep, the 6500 XT will only make 9c a day vs 2.87 AUD/day with a 3060TI :P
  https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/amd-rx-650…
  
  Also here is a review:
  https://www.pcgamer.com/au/amd-radeon-rx-6500-xt-review-benc…
  
  No point upgrading if you already have a 1650 or better.
kaikor on 10/02/2022 - 12:51

-3

nice to see finally a new prebuilt with dGPU for under $1k, but the problem is RX6500XT, it's like covid, that no one wants to get it! Will this thing runs all AAA title in low at acceptable frame rates? Which will be good for primary school kids.
- frewer on 10/02/2022 - 12:54 Comment score below threshold.
  - Canberralad92 on 10/02/2022 - 12:57 Comment score below threshold.
    - Ploix on 10/02/2022 - 13:12
      
      Would you prefer to have been hospitalised or dead?
    - dbmitch on 10/02/2022 - 14:39
      
      +2
      
      Only the living say this because the dead can't tell you you're wrong.
      
      Shove your survivorship bias back in the box m8
  - freefall101 on 10/02/2022 - 13:40
    
    +9
    
    over 10,000 people around the world die every day from covid, estimates put it at over 10 million dead globally, but it's ok everyone because frewer had it and is fine.
  - Jazza2400 on 10/02/2022 - 13:49
    
    "it happened to me and it wasn't bad, dunno why my 90 year old nan with a bunch of conditions i can't spell nor pronounce is so paranoid"
- Dvbargain on 10/02/2022 - 12:54
  
  +8
  
  https://youtu.be/ilojZVvtueU
  
  Watch that. It fights with a 1660Ti. It's not a complete piece of shit. This rig is a perfectly fine 1080p gamer. I assume those tests were on a pcie 4 pc.
  
  Some titles it wins, some it loses.
  - - Dvbargain on 10/02/2022 - 13:13
      
      +3
      
      Good question! No idea, maybe someone can pull together a few reviews and find on average how it goes, personally I cbf haha
      
      Edit: this one shows 1660ti pulling ahead a bit https://youtu.be/GXbV4VwclEE
      
      And another https://youtu.be/5a-opoe_cYc
      
      It's a bit behind but still OK at 1080p when compared to other new options. There's no 1660ti or 2060 pre builds for 1k with this lvl of CPU, 16Gb RAM etc
[Deactivated] on 10/02/2022 - 13:01

+4

Considering other pre-built PCs for $999 are including a Nvidia 1030 or an Rx 550, this doesn't seem like horrible value. The RX6500 XT isn't a great card so I'd imagine a few people would consider putting another card in this machine. The 450w PSU may be a limiting factor with this build.
kindshibe on 10/02/2022 - 13:05

Would this PC be good for home office use (just large excel spreadsheets and lots of chrome tabs and watching 4k video on a 4k display?
- Diji1 on 10/02/2022 - 13:12
  
  -1
  
  Yes.
  - kindshibe on 10/02/2022 - 13:13
    
    Thank you!!
- Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 13:24
  
  +7
  
  no, you're wasting about 3 or 4 hundred dollars on a graphics card you're not using. a 5600g is probably the best option
  - kindshibe on 11/02/2022 - 12:34
    
    Thanks bud for the advice! good to know the video card is overkill!
- OSienna on 10/02/2022 - 13:28
  
  +4
  
  If you don't value the GPU then you might as well get something with a decent iGPU (many will do 4K playback fine) and put the $400 (what the 6500XT is approx. worth) towards a better spec'd CPU, RAM or storage
  
  Heck, with this budget, an entry level "gaming" laptop would also make a good alternative e.g. this Lenovo IdeaPad with a discrete MX450 GPU
  - kindshibe on 11/02/2022 - 12:34
    
    Thanks heaps for the advice, I'll look into that laptop too!
- 3v3rqu357 on 10/02/2022 - 17:58
  
  Don't waist your money on this.
  4k video ain't hard for any modernish iGPU.
  
  Eg a core i3-12100 with just intel UHD graphics would be fine.
  
  Or the suggested ryzen 5600g if you want the ability to play basic 3D games.
  - kindshibe on 11/02/2022 - 12:33
    
    Cheers mate thanks for the advice! will save me a few hundred $!
Diji1 on 10/02/2022 - 13:16

HDMI 2.0b

Something that $600 motherboards can't seem to manage …

Yes, I know most users aren't going to be spending that much and using the iGPU - but does anyone want to use 4K30?

Godgodgod on 10/02/2022 - 13:18

In my opinion great deal about $100 bucks more than what I would like to pay.

CPU $220
Mobo$70 max.
Ram $90
Ssd $40
Hdd $50
Case $50
PSU $50
GPU $329 not paying a cent more than the ridiculous RRP for this card.
Total $899
So Good deal for someone who don't know how to build a PC.

Dvbargain on 10/02/2022 - 13:22

+11

I would also like to pay less than the available price of graphics cards, unfortunately that's not how life works :(
- Godgodgod on 10/02/2022 - 13:27
  
  +1
  
  They had the exact same spec with 6600 for $1199 which I would happily pay. :). 6500xt Is sitting on shelves so can't pay inflated price, at RRP or under it makes perfect sense.
  - Dvbargain on 10/02/2022 - 13:28
    
    +1
    
    I get ya mate, I get ya. I've tested a 6600 myself and was thoroughly impressed with performance at 100w power draw.
    
    Haven't tested a 6500xt myself yet!

Jazza2400 on 10/02/2022 - 14:07

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-11400 2.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$269.00 @ Amazon Australia
Motherboard	MSI H510M-A PRO Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$109.00 @ MSY Technology
Memory	Kingston Fury Renegade 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$125.00 @ PCCaseGear
Storage	Gigabyte 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$55.54 @ Amazon Australia
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$45.00 @ BPC Technology
Video Card	MSI Radeon RX 6500 XT 4 GB MECH 2X OC Video Card	$399.00 @ Centre Com
Case	Deepcool MACUBE 110 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$69.00 @ Mwave Australia
Power Supply	EVGA BV 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$49.00 @ BPC Technology
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1120.54
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-02-10 14:06 AEDT+1100

There's probably $30 of stuff in there rounded up because the exact product wasn't there (no beast ram). Not sure if this includes Windows either? GPU is $50 cheaper at Centrecom.

Godgodgod on 10/02/2022 - 14:13

Thanks. H510 for $110? I bought a b560 for 70bucks from BPC last week
tmr3 on 10/02/2022 - 14:14

+1

You could pretty easily knock 20-25 bucks off the RAM by going with a cheaper kit from a different brand with similar timings (G.Skill Aegis for example), and there are entry level B560 boards for $10-$20 less than this.

Not sure where the other guy is getting an 11400 for $220 from - even 11400Fs are $250, and you lose the iGPU which is a little more important with a 6500 XT to take over encode and AV1 decode capability.
- Godgodgod on 10/02/2022 - 14:23
  
  From the past ozb deals :)
  
  Intel Core i5-11400 CPU (Tray Only) - $219 + Postage ($0 QLD C&C) + Surcharge @ Computer Alliance
  
  With each day passing 11th gen isn't getting any newer, $220 is a sweet spot. at $269 you might want to go 12th gen i5 12400f for $289ish. Yes the board will be a bit more expensive but you will be on the latest and greatest of mid range computing.
  - tmr3 on 10/02/2022 - 14:28
    
    @Godgodgod: Fair enough. Seems like they've only been that price once ever, so unless someone is really keen on holding out for sales they're gonna be paying $250-$270 for an 11400, and you'd also need to buy a cooler with that one as it's a tray CPU not a boxed one so it's more like $219 plus shipping and extra for a cooler.
    
    Looks like there was a bundle deal from Shopping Express at one point with an 11400 and a Gigabyte B560M AORUS PRO for $369 plus shipping - not bad.
    
    A 12400F doesn't have a functional iGPU which is probably an important consideration for a system with an RX 6500 XT.
    - Godgodgod on 10/02/2022 - 14:35
      
      @tmr3: True re. igpu. But 12th gen gains are great (6500xt is the culprit here.)
      
      Also on BPC web site gigabyte and ASRock h510 boards are $64 and $69 so I feel that $110 for h510 board is really inflated.
      
      Don't get me wrong. Whole computer at 999 for someone who is not savvy is a great option with some compromises. However for anyone who can build can easily source parts for cheaper which most OZBners prefer, like how many time we have bought things even when we didn't have other parts just because of the price and deal. :) Like buying a mobo for $50 without any other parts in hand.
  - Jazza2400 on 10/02/2022 - 16:03
    
    +1
    
    @Godgodgod: PCPP is always snapshot "if I build this today" price. Ozb can generally get it cheaper over the course of 4 weeks of deals

Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 13:33

+2

Those are some decent specs. You can easily get 1080p60fps gaming on this for most games. It also seems pretty futureproof in terms of upgradability if/when video cards do drop
giggity on 10/02/2022 - 13:44

I would love to buy a pre-built 12700k without a graphics card from a reputable builder - any ideas?
- OSienna on 10/02/2022 - 17:20
  
  I would happily build one for you if you supplied the parts. You would have to handle your own warranty though..
  
  All I ask for is a case of beer in return ;-)
tmr3 on 10/02/2022 - 14:01

+3

At the very least this is the RX 6500 XT in its least worst form. A couple of the big weaknesses of the RX 6500 XT are its performance on PCIe 3.0 systems, and the lack of media encoding and more limited decoding support (no AV1) than other products.

This system with a Core i5-11400 (non-F) and an Intel 500-series motherboard supports both PCIe 4.0 for the main graphics slot and the iGPU can handle encode/decode duties, though from memory you'll have to ensure that the iGPU is turned on in the BIOS and the Intel graphics drivers are installed, and you may** as a last resort (I'm taking an educated guess here) have to route some of your media apps through the iGPU first using Windows graphics performance preference to get decode working (and if that is something you need to do, on Windows 10, open Windows Settings, then select System, Display, scroll down and select Graphics settings, and then Browse to find the app you want to use the iGPU and change the graphics preference options to Power saving. Windows 11 should be similar but some settings might be in different spots.).

**: I'm not actually sure how the AMD drivers will expose the RX 6500 XT for things like hardware acceleration in web browsers, or whether their drivers or other applications will automatically fallback to some other hardware engine (i.e. the iGPU) if you're trying to decode an AV1 video from a website for example. If you're encoding, most programs these days will let you select an encoder to use in which case you can just make sure it's using Intel Quick Sync Video rather than x264 or x265 and be done with it.
- Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 14:52
  
  +1
  
  and the lack of media encoding and more limited decoding support (no AV1) than other products.
  
  I wouldn't be buying any AMD card if you want to do encoding/streaming. Nvidia's nvenc is superior in every way.
  - Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 15:25
    
    also rtx voice can be hugely helpful to some streamers
Mouse123 on 10/02/2022 - 14:26

meh card

ok price
- dbmitch on 10/02/2022 - 14:41
  
  +1
  
  this ranks below meh for sure
Clydee on 10/02/2022 - 14:29

would be fine with someone don't paly AAA games I guess, but it's worth to pay $200 more and buy 6600 in case you like to play other games in the future.
citybargainhunter on 10/02/2022 - 14:46

what's the quality of Deepcool cases like?
syousef on 10/02/2022 - 14:49

-6

Good luck "gaming" on that GPU. Hope you enjoy solitaire.
- Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 14:54
  
  +6
  
  Comments like this show that people are either elitists, or have no idea what they are talking about
  
  The card is fine for 1080/60fps with solid benchmarking results for those that understand this. This is all that the majority of gamers are after. Specs are in line with a 1660TI which is still a decent mid range card.
  
  https://youtu.be/ilojZVvtueU
  - syousef on 10/02/2022 - 14:55
    
    -3
    
    It's not elitism to expect better performance than a 5 year old entry level gaming card. If you only want the same performance as a 1650 Super, go buy that card and call it a day. Card is not fit for purpose. End of story.
    - Ixixly on 10/02/2022 - 15:04
      
      +3
      
      1060, 1650, 1050ti, 1050 make up 22.41% of all Graphics cards on the most recent Jan 2022 Steam Hardware Survey, there are other cards even lower than this so it shows that at least 1/4 of all "Gamers" are gaming with this type of performance and definitely fits the description of entry-level. So basically, you're wrong, card is fit for purpose as an entry level.
      - syousef on 10/02/2022 - 15:12
        
        +1
        
        @Ixixly: Yes and how old are some of the Steam games people are playing?
        
        All the cards you mentioned will do hardware encoding. This card will not. Meaning you won't even be able to record your gameplay - something you can do on most consoles. This card is less fit for purpose than those very old cards.
        
        Ixixly on 10/02/2022 - 17:54
        
        +1
        
        @syousef: You do realise the vast majority of people aren't recording their gameplay right? And the age of the steam games isn't the point. It's an ENTRY LEVEL card, geez.
    - Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 15:07
      
      +1
      
      While I agree with you, that card goes for $100-$200 more minimum.
      
      There's no way you'll get it in a prebuilt for under $1k.
      
      This PC is not targetted towards you nor I. It is a PC that will handle most kids gaming and will handle 1080/60fps without problem on most games. Not something I would go for, but you're not going to find anything better at that range, prebuilt which certainly makes it fit for purpose.
      - syousef on 10/02/2022 - 15:13
        
        +1
        
        @Cyphar: No it most certainly won't do 1080/60fps for "most games" or at least not most modern games, and even on old games you'll have to set ALMOST EVERYTHING to LOW.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpuJqx9Qmw
        
        This is a gaming card in the same way that my 2005 Ford Wagon is a race car. Sure you could put it in a race. It'll even beat some old small cars. I wouldn't be entering it into a race though.
        
        Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 15:29
        
        +1
        
        @syousef:
        
        No it most certainly won't do 1080/60fps for "most games" or at least not most modern games, and even on old games you'll have to set ALMOST EVERYTHING to LOW.
        
        Actual testing says otherwise when in comparison to the equivalent 1660TI
        
        https://youtu.be/ilojZVvtueU
        
        These are games all set to the highest options. Even going from Ultra to High will yield even better results.
        
        Not sure why you're getting so butthurt over this. The fact stands that for many on low end cards, this is a cheap replacement for them, at least for 2022 GPU price standards, should their existing card shit out on them and they can't afford much else.
        
        syousef on 10/02/2022 - 15:31
        
        +1
        
        @Cyphar: Hardware Unboxed. Timestamp is for the 12 game average.
        
        https://youtu.be/M5_oM3Ow_CI?t=1044
        
        Butthurt? Is that your description for anyone who doesn't agree with your every utterance? Seriously dude, act your age.
        
        Rewarding a company for producing a sub-par product gurantees quality will continue to slide.
        
        Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 15:35
        
        +1
        
        @syousef: You keep missing the point. I have agreed with you on much of what you have said.
        
        You're not going to get anything better for this price point (sub $1k) at 2021/2022 GPU pricing or for those on low budgets looking for a replacement at the same price point, keeping in mind a 1650 super is $100 - $200 more..
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 15:39
        
        +5
        
        @syousef: most people aren't playing the latest cod or flight sim or whatever it is. Just look at steam charts. csgo is the most popular game (as usual) and I get hundreds of fps on my 5 year old RX 580. I have no problem in any game I play and I certainly don't need to set the graphics to low. I, and lots of others don't need a $2k graphics card. My partner has an even worse card and doesn't have any issue. We don't play the latest AAA game. Almost every smaller game runs just fine on old hardware.
        
        I'm sure you may think your ford wagon is slow. But it's faster than some cars like you said, but also faster than every ebike, bicycle, scooter, pedestrian, etc. You think everyone has to drive a race car, but plenty of people are fine just walking from point a to b.
        
        Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 15:46
        
        +1
        
        @Aequitas:
        
        RX 580
        
        Such a solid card . Got the 8GB one for my son for $239 RIGHT BEFORE the market went to shit back in 2020. Still going strong and he's playing the newest games on it at med-high settings still. I think it's worth about $400 now second hand. Absolute nuts.
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 15:56
        
        +4
        
        @Cyphar: the 6500xt is better than the 580 in most games, so how can you say he's playing the newest games on med-high but the 6500xt will need to play even old games on low?
        
        Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 16:11
        
        +1
        
        @Aequitas: Because its simply not true! The video I have linked so games running fine at 1080 on ultra (Albeit some at 30-50FPS). Lower the settings, or do something as simple as turning off shadows, and you'll hit 60fps without issue.
        
        Here's another link comparing the two cards
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 17:22
        
        @Cyphar: ah sorry, was confused for a bit, but realized you weren't the same person haha.
        
        syousef on 10/02/2022 - 18:32
        
        +1
        
        @Aequitas: Your 5 year old card was a bargain 5 years ago. It isn't a bargain today. The 580 itself was on an old architecture when it was released and was an iteration, not a revolution. I am amazed that you think that's a defense. Should I also compare a car I can buy at the dealer to a Model T Ford? Too extreme? How about a car from the 1970s?
        
        It's not just me pointing out how bad this is. Go listen to Steve from Hardware Unboxed or Steve from Gamer's Nexus, Anthony from Linus Tech Tips, .
        
        No wonder we're going backwards.
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 18:50
        
        +2
        
        @syousef: So I'm looking at gamers nexus's video. And he shows the 6500xt getting over 60fps in all but one game at high settings where it's just under at 53fps, and it does so at the lowest power draw. Which is great for budget gamers, you can even save extra money on the psu.
        
        So what on earth are you talking about "even old games need to be on low". You don't make any sense at all. In every one of those reviews they use the rrp to call it bad. The problem with that is now that it's available you can get the 6500xt at rrp price, but none of the others are available at rrp. They are all well beyond that. Second hand 580's are going for over $450.
        
        The point is, you cannot say this is a bad gaming rig. It will play most games at 1080p at an acceptable framerate. and there is no other card that can do as much performance for the same or less price. Yes years ago you could buy graphics cards for cheap, but that's not how it is today. All the prices have gone up drastically so trying to compare to those old prices is just dumb.
        
        Can you show me a better graphics card for the same budget?
        
        syousef on 10/02/2022 - 21:09
        
        +1
        
        @Aequitas: Did you watch the video properly?
        
        DId you see that he turned EVERY SETTING DOWN TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE? Medium can be a passable experience but have you ever played a game on low with graphics so blocky you thought you were in an 80s time warp?
        
        What conclusion did all 3 Youtubers come to? DO NOT BUY!
        
        Aequitas on 10/02/2022 - 23:02
        
        +2
        
        @syousef:
        
        yes I must've missed that part, can you tell me where that happened?
        
        If you actually listen closely he constantly refers to all the cards at their RRP prices, which I think makes sense for a reviewer. But doesn't make sense for someone looking to buy. You have to look at actual prices. He says these older cards are the same price, but he's talking about rrp, if you look at the current real life prices of these cards, it's a completely different story. All these reviews come out before the cards are available for purchase, so they can't compare it to the actual prices.
        
        and I ask you for the final time; can you show me a better graphics card for the same budget that I can buy right now?
  - syousef on 10/02/2022 - 15:20
    
    +1
    
    And by the way that 1660 Ti can record game play. This card can't.
    
    And here's the comparison with a 1650 Super.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oyTI3MYy60
    - Cyphar on 10/02/2022 - 15:31
      
      +1
      
      And by the way that 1660 Ti can record game play. This card can't.
      
      Correct, but I wouldn't be encoding with any AMD card anyway. As a streamer myself, nvenc is just far more superior.
      
      That said, the CPU in this is prebuilt rig decent and will be capable of software/x264 encoding without too much of a performance hit
      
      And here's the comparison with a 1650 Super.
      
      Given the price difference, a comparison is futile. Think of the kind of person that would want this kind of card. It'd be those with low budgets. For some, an extra $200 is a big thing.
      - syousef on 10/02/2022 - 15:36
        
        +1
        
        @Cyphar: This is old, but given we're talking old cards it's appropriate. AMD Relive isn't terrible.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKWUY_zGv6Q
        
        I'm seeing second hand 1650 Super cards for $250 on Ebay. I bet I could do better if I spent more than 20 seconds.

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