How Do People Afford Driving Luxury Cars?

Hi ozbargainers. I’ve been pondering about this question in the back of my mind for quite sometime now. Maybe I have been paying too much attention to luxury cars on the road while stuck waiting in traffic. I’m seeing plenty of folks driving luxury cars all around Sydney, whether it’s in the Eastern Suburbs or Western Suburbs. I would say a third of the cars on the roads are luxury brands, e.g. Lexus, Land Rover Discovery, Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, Tesla etc… And that got me thinking.

How do most people afford to buy Luxury cars when the median wage in Australia is roughly $55k to $60k a year the last time we had a discussion on this topic a few months ago.
I’m not jealous of folks buying and driving Luxury cars, frankly, I don’t really care what cars people drive but this particular conundrum caught my attention and got me thinking. Could I afford driving a Luxury Car? And the answer is a NO!

I’m currently earning about $75k and single. After Tax, I take home about $1100 a week. Rent is $480 (Rent cost may be increasing in the near future). Phone + Internet + entertainment (streaming services etc..) bills are approx $50 a week. Fuel is approx $80 to $100 per week. Weekly grocery + lunch/coffee are approx $200. A night out on weekend approx $30 to $50.
So all up, my expenditure is about $850 to $900 a week just to survive on bare minimum necessity in life. So, I’d be lucky to save $200 to $300 a week. I know some folks and families are having it tough earning much less and survive on a even tighter budget, but that is for another discussion.

Looking at my wage + living expenses, I couldn’t afford to drive a luxury car. I just don’t have the money, not that I would want to if I had the money to do so. I’m comfortable driving my Kia, taking me from point A to point B.

So my question is, I’m seeing plenty of folks and my peers paying $700 to $1000 a week in rent alone, shopping and wearing designer clothings, eat out at fancy restaurants almost every weekend, frequent weekend getaways, yearly oversea holidays, using new and latest phones and electronic gadgets and driving Luxury cars costing over $90k. All are on a $90k to $110k salary at most. If I were to earn $100k tomorrow, I would only bring home an extra $300 a week. And having an extra $300 doesn’t allow me to spend on luxury things nor can it improve my lifestyle that much. A basic 2 bedroom apartment in the inner Suburbs pretty much costs $650 to $800 a week. So, with a $100k salary (an increase from my current $75k to $100k, hypothetically speaking), I may be able to move and live closer to the city by paying an extra $300 in rent every week. And there goes my $25k increase in salary. I would still only be able to save $200 to $300 a week at most (like i have been doing so on my $75k salary) with no other significant change to my lifestyle.

I have seen folks working in retails (cashiers in Myer etc..) driving luxury cars, got their nails done, hair done + designer brand makeups + monthly botox/cosmetic treatments + perfumes. How are they doing all this? Are most people on a $120k to $150k salary? The median wage figure in Australia doesn’t reflect that.
On my $75k wage, I could barely afford anything. I don’t get my nails done, cut my own hair, no makeups, no botox or cosmetic treatments, no fancy clothes. Still using my old phone from 2016.

I know there are a lot of wealthy folks in Sydney but still, i don’t think they make up for a third of the luxury cars on the road, especially when taken into account of the median wage in Australia. In addition to owning a luxury car, I’m guessing it’s also costly to buy car insurance and on-going maintenance too?

With today’s crazy housing market. I couldn’t afford to pay mortgage if the Bank were to grant me a $1mil loan tomorrow. In most if not all inner suburbs, heck, even in Parramatta, I don’t think you can find anything decent for less than $1.5mil. So how do people service a loan in the $1 to $2 mil range?? Even with a $100k salary, that’s barely enough to service the monthly mortgage for a $1mil loan. Let alone any left over $$$ to spend on luxury cars, and that’s without adding foods + other living expenses to the equations. The maths just don’t add up.

Just having my long shower thought. I’m looking forward to seeing what y’all think about this. Enjoy your weekend, you savvy bargain hunters!

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          • @frostman: It's gotta be that or medicine

            Else daddies money to have that many assets at that stage
            Else you're in a world of debt and the bank actually owns you

    • +1

      We earn $400k+ combined and drive a older Mazda CX-5 and older Golf.

      nothing wrong with either of these cars - congratulation on the solid salaries - easily can buy pay off a house and live comfortable for the rest of your lives

    • +1

      growing up in poverty makes you feel the need to brag I see

    1. leased work vehicle. From Gov to NGOs to businesses all offer it as salary packaging.
    2. Income from Capital. Shares, rents etc.
    3. Money from Capital Gains. Our ridiculously low tax on capital gains and house price explosion has made
      Millions for some.
    4. Low cost of money. 30 year loan pi is 3.3% + interest a year. At 2.00% interest that's 5%. Ten years ago was paying 7% so paying 10% of the principal. On 1000k is extra 50k a year or in our case a shit smaller loan.

    Status signifies worth. You can get more money if you have a high status car, live in a good neighbourhood and went to the right school. So some will take it till they make it and buy shit they can't afford at the moment to attract money.

  • You're not gonna get the right answer here..but I'll try give it to you.

    The number of ppl driving luxury cars (say over $150K) such as Range Rovers, High end BMW/Mercedes/, Exotic Cars AND are tax-paying, law abiding citizens is extremely low.

    That's because cars are a depreciating asset and won't cut it unless your business earns a million a year, in the case and at that level, you'd probably be involved in she'll companies

    So you're left with 2 fraudster types that are common.

    1.) The drug dealers, these aren't the Mafia ones you think of in movies, it can be the guy that trains next to you at the gym, or the blonde Bondi chic driving around in hatch.

    2.) The Tax-Evader/Money Launderer: Anyone running a high profile business that accepts cash and doesn't pay their taxes.

    These are the 2 most common types of people today that drive these cars.

    Follow NSWPolice on Twitter, there's a drug bust every week.

    • Good points. Especially in Sydney.

  • You're spending way too much on rent my dude

    • whats reasonable rent if you dont want to live with others?

      • In Sydney, $350 pw.

        • +1

          i have depression from looking at 350$/wk places in syd on RE.com now thanks

  • Lol

    Btw, just because you think they are rich doesn't mean they are. Mortgages/leveraged assets, renting, incredible credit card debt. Etc

    A person I went to school with was top tier wealthy, and (at the time) I was amazed/jealous. 15 years down the line, events have occured, and their true financial status has come out.

    (They are completely f-d. I'd be surprised if most of the family doesn't go bankrupt)

  • +2

    Because the divide between the rich and the poor are getting much larger, there are a lot more wealthy people these days from who would have been categorised as middle income in the past perhaps.

  • -1

    And then these loaded sugar brats then show off on OzBargain with dumbass posts like “Got a spare $100,000 in me arse, recommend me a car…. BMW or AMG”

    It’s just too much sometimes - rich mummy and daddy leaves wealth to loser kids… really there should be a gift tax or inheritance tax of at least 75% so the money doesn’t go to waste on idiots that can’t and won’t work themselves.

    I do think this should be put to a referendum

    • It's already been taxed, if they've got as much money as you say, it's already getting towards 45%

  • How do most people afford to buy Luxury cars when the median wage in Australia is roughly $55k to $60k a year the last time we had a discussion on this topic a few months ago.

    Most people in Australia don't buy luxury cars.

  • +3

    You are paying $480 weekly for rent with $75k salary? lol.

    I am paying $140 per week for a room including bills on $80k salary. My room is in Warwick Farm, 3 bedroom house, 3 people living there, all in their room, privacy and time to yourself. My groceries and lunch/dinner out per week is $100. My car's fuel cost per week is $30-$40.

    In few months, I am planning to buy Tesla.

    • You’re going to get it in 2023.

      Also fuel cost of $30/week isn’t exactly a lot of savings for an electric. So buying a Tesla would be buying a luxury but not luxury car in effect. Expensive insurance, repairs and depreciation.

    • +2

      This, everyone, is how you build wealth.

      Speaking as an owner of an accounting/financial advisory firm.

      • +2

        This is how most Asians live and save, while OP is typical Aussies. I mean no offence, just difference in life style

  • +1

    It's easy to be a baller on budget. Most people don't know and just see the badge.

    However details like year model, mileage, model, trim, colour, history seriously affect the price. It's almost comical that two similar looking cars even same models next to each other, one can cost 10x more.

    Certainly in western Sydney see heaps of high mileage damage repaired ex lease vehicles that normal person wouldn't touch.

    Used luxo cars are cheap. Honestly it's the new Toyotas SUVs that are insanely expensive.

    Here are some precovid examples

    23k 4 year Benz
    https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-3451364/motor-vehiclesmotor-c…

    4k Lexus

    https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-10025937/motor-vehiclesmotor-…

    If you're ok with damage title cars can really fake it. 33k 911

    https://www.grays.com/lot/0001-3467758/sports-and-luxury-car…

  • +2

    Don't worry about it, just work hard on your career and climbing your ladder. The money will come and it'll answer the question for you. Cars are cheap when compared to property.

    I spend a lot more on yearly house maintenance than car maintenance (Not including fuel).

  • +2

    You can borrow $100k at 6% over 5 years with a 30% balloon. That will cost you about $375/week, so go out and buy that head-turning base model you've always wanted! Of course, you can't afford a 30k payout, but that's 5 years away right? Worry about it then! Besides, you can just trade that sweet base model in for $20k and get a new 5 year lease and just keep that $100k $110k debt rolling! No way you can lose here.

    Or if you owned a house prior to 2021, you can just withdraw from equity and pay it back over 20-30 years instead. How good is that!

    Sure there are people making good money, but for every one of them, there are ten others who have no financial literacy and just debted themselves up to buy a car.

  • +1

    if you see a "fully sick" Mercedes AMG or M3/M4 or Audi S3/RS3 its on finance

    • can confirm

      but have to consider that if its under a business, interest payments are tax deductible as are any expenses in setting up said finance agreement.

  • People on 100k salary don't buy luxury cars or a 1.5M house (which is a good price by Sydney standards)… or well.. they shouldn't.

    Most of the folks I know who have luxury cars would have a reasonably high household income (200k+) and have "responsible" assets before they splurge on something frivolous like a nice car.

    Unfortunately, there are people who take ungodly amounts of loans beyond their means to "portray" a lifestyle of wealth. There is also a substantial amount of relatively unclean money that comes into Australia as the perfect place to "park" cash, out of reach of the authorities in their home countries.

    • +4

      We have nearly 300k and wouldn't even consider such an expensive car. Idiotic waste of money

      • +2

        IMHO, we'd buy one, knowing fully well that it is 100% an expense and not an "asset" as such.

        Both my partner and I would love a nice vehicle and will likely get something once the ridiculous second hand prices calm down a bit. Nothing too crazy ofcourse.

        Is it a smart, fiscally responsible thing to do? Absolutely not!
        Is it going to be heaps of fun? Most likely! :D
        Can we afford it - I reckon so - we do make a lot more than what I classed as "reasonably high" in my post there.

    • just say china lol

  • You're comparing the median wage for Australia and looking at one or two suburbs in Sydney and expecting the data to match

  • +5

    Wealth divide has grown enormously in the last 20 years. Conservative voters want us to follow in American footsteps and not be the enviable society we once were like our European counterparts.

    • Yep

    • +3

      I think it was something like republicans/liberals vote like they'll be a future millionaire (strange ideology but its often some of the poorest educated that go down this route) so they ensure those earning the most are looked after

      Democrats/labor voters vote to suit the present day climate and so vote to ensure the middle class are looked after.

      One divides
      The other brings everyone together

      • I agree with this. The poorest here and in the US have voted against their best interests by voting for Liberals/Republicans. They are more susceptible to scare campaigns put forward by these groups.

  • +1

    As many here said:

    • Many couples have a double income. However, their cost are not double. Imagine you had a partner who also had a good income.
      All of this: "I take home about $1100 a week. Rent is $480 (Rent cost may be increasing in the near future). Phone + Internet + entertainment (streaming services etc..)
      bills are approx $50 a week." you would only pay once.
      You could "invest" that money from the second salary in a car if you wanted…I read somewhere on OZ bargain that Mercedes AMGs make good investments :)

    • Business Owners buy these cars and depreciate as business expense….and the ATO (all of us via our taxes) pay for a large portion of their cars…
      …..

  • +4

    A lovely thing called EqUiTy.

    According to many, wealth is built off the appreciation of assets. You buy a home, pay some of it off and the price rises then that value can be tapped into to buy other assets or to borrow against (a second home or a nice vehicle)

    Many use debt as a tool to build equity and wealth as it can become exponential in the right circumstances.

    Problem is many people overextend without understanding the risks and when the tide goes out everyone sees them swimming naked

    I’d argue a lot of the flash things you’ve seen recently are a product of the insane monetary policy of the last decade (particularly the past 3 years) and the recent housing bubble/boom. A lot of people have developed equity in their assets and the banks are happy to lend them more money.

  • +1

    The Australian government grants wealthy people money for buying extra houses.

    They get big tax refunds and refinance many of their homes.

    Hence many expensive cars

    I wish them nothing but misery when the crash comes and the disciplined are finally rewarded instead

    • +2

      why you hating, try to be like them and play the game..
      don't hate the players hate the game

      • It's when the game is rigged for those that have been on this earth longer than you that it's kind of hard not to be pissed at them for hoarding the wealth.

        It's like they only bring 10,000 cars into Australia each year and auction them off to Internationals then the richest 10% and then the crappest 20% trickles down to the rest of us

    • -2

      Plenty of hate. The disciplined will always be poor because you can't get rich without actually making money.

      Ultimately it's about happiness, and there is nothing wrong with having a low to middle class income if you are happy. But being spiteful to people who have money just takes an emotional toll on yourself.

      The truly rich will always be rich, and can spend money like we can only dream of. It's the middle to upper class who sort of try to fake it til they make it that cause a lot of problems, and probably who you are referring to.

      The system is weighted against the middle class and the sooner you accept that, and maybe try to rise above, the happier you will be. The only way to get even is to get ahead and if you can't beat them, join them.

      • +2

        You're advocating for an imbalanced system. This is like cheering for the football team which was given roids, free daily massages, higher quality food and then being impressed with them for winning.

        Government subsidies for housing investment is paying scummy people to be scummier.

        Are you, summy people? I ask?

        • +1

          Oh I have no issues with the system. It's working for me. I personally work within the system that exists instead of moaning about it. I have no issues being "scummy"…. as long as it's legal.

          • @meowsers: That makes sense but don't go criticising the poor, when the system is literally, deliberately imbalanced against them.

            This isn't about work ethic, or lazyness or having a go. Current tax policy in regards to housing is specifically slighted towards benefitting the wealthy and punishing the poor.

            This doesn't make them skilled or smart, nor does it make the poor, dumb, stupid. It's against them and frankly unacceptable.

            • @hamwhisperer: The only balanced system is a communist one. And even then there are hierarchy's - society en masse just aren't aware of them.

              I started off the same as everyone else in my highschool/circle. Typical 9 - 5 worker, no inheritance, no golden spoon. Instead of partying and living frivolously, I educated myself on the "system", saved, bought property in what was then "crappy areas" that self entitled middle class would turn their noses up at (Western Sydney, Logan, Ipswich, etc). These houses back then were $200k - $300k a pop. I took the risk and bought dozens, and now I'm wealthy because of it. Literally everyone else in my circle could have done the same thing - even the ones earning small incomes.

              The 'game' is not rigged for the rich. They are just better at playing it. The rich, by in large, earnt their place by seeing what the rules are, working hard, making sacrifices, taking risks and pursuing wealth/passion.

              Its like the guy in Monopoly that ends up with all the houses and hotels because he's more strategic/better at playing the game - then all the other players hating on him and advocating the inequality of his ability to win lol

              FWIW, the rich don't criticize the poor, but its always the poor constantly critisizing the rich - this thread being case in point

        • As I always say, you either play the game or wait for the rules to change.

    • +1

      I wish them nothing but misery when the crash comes…

      This resentment is not healthy.

      • How many young people need to get screwed by these folks, before it's healthy?

    • The crash won't benefit the disciplined unless they can buy a property outright which I doubt many can.

      Guess what happens when a crash comes? Lending is tightened. e.g. Before these disciplined could borrow $800k, but after the crash they can only borrow $400k. Unless they have a significant amount of savings, they won't be able to buy something decent. But maybe they can find something ok in the outer burbs of Sydney.

  • because luxury cars are investment i guess

  • +1

    If all this talk about loans makes people feel better about driving shitboxes that's fine, but there are plenty of people out there with no loan driving these cars too.

  • Credit is cheap.
    That is why "everything is affordable".

    For now, that is …

  • +1

    My experience (in tech anyhow) is people get lots of zeros in the salary. This allows them to take out a massive loan for a sweet car and burn the balance on a nice rented apartment / house.

    Net position is they can’t afford to get into the property market and live poor as shit with a sweet car. I don’t get it. Seems dumb. Doesn’t mean I’m right.

    • or their just y0lo. if you cant have a nice house, might as well enjoy life a bit and have a nice car at least.

  • +3

    Debt is the answer usually.

    Many many people live above their means.

    You would be shocked to know the true financial situation of many of those people driving fancy cars and wearing designer clothes. Thousands and thousands in credit card debt. Cars bought with finance. Massive mortgages.

    The other thing is a lot of those people driving nice cars live in shit houses or own no REAL assets like shares or property.

    Some of the richest people I’ve ever met drive shitty cars. Because they have nothing to prove and they got rich by not investing in depreciating assets!

  • Is there a way to see pricing of second hand cars back pre-covid days to see whatt the markups these days are for second hand luxury cars? I presume its well worth waiting afew years to get any second hand car i.e. say a 3 or 4 series bmw would be $20-30k more for xxx number of years old vs what it would have been pre covid?

  • +4

    I have a friend that can buy a new Ferrari and a double storey house in Bondi but that would mean selling all her Crypto and paying taxes so she drives a used Alfa Romeo 2010 shitbox instead. Majority of the actually rich people don't buy fancy cars.

  • no offense but if you're taking home $1,100 cash and you're paying $480 a week then..yeah i can see how youre under stress.

  • I would say a third of the cars on the roads are luxury brands, e.g. Lexus, Land Rover Discovery, Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, Tesla etc… And that got me thinking.

    BMW Based model - $74,900
    Ford Ranger Wildtrack - $72,000 ish
    Ford Everest Top of the Line - $73,000 ish

    Maybe people don't want the Ford Ranger and want an X3? Yes the BMW would cost more to fix (trust me, I know from an '09 model X3).

    Overall, a not luxury brand like a Ford but people still spend a high amount on a car, you just might notice more luxury brands over the the Ford models for example.

    • Yes but there's a bigg difference with the ute.. for many its claimable as a business expense.

      The BMW may be claimable by a few eg. RE agent but the ute opens itself up to many trades.

      • Yes I agree. But I think the OP isn't looking at the bigger picture of cost with other makes + models.

        I spoilt myself and got a Ford Ranger FX4 with a leather interior. Yes, I wanted a bigger car and a ute for the capacity for the family as I was upgrading from a VE Commodore Sedan. Not using the Ranger for 4WDing and I am not a tradie.

        I guess just pointing out that yes, there might be more luxury cars around, but they can cost the same as other makes + models which are just as popular on the roads at the moment. I think some people have pointed this out too that you can get an older BMW model which looks similar to the new model for a good price.

  • +3

    OP, i assume that you are financially responsible. You look at the nice cars and think, gees thats nice, I want one, can I afford it?

    crunches numbers. Nope, I cant afford it.

    Other people, who are not financially sensible, will think. Oh, nice! I want one….I can afford $300 a week repayment!

    Ta-da. Now they live week to week for the rest of their lives.

  • In my opinion, driving a luxury euro doesn’t indicate wealth to me. In the coming years availability of credit is going to dry up. Many will do it tough but the resourceful types will thrive. Total cost of ownership on one of these black & chrome beauties is no bargain.

  • +3

    We bought a "luxury" car a few months ago (a Volvo SUV if you would call that luxury). We planned this purchase, did a lot of research and made sure we are not spending beyond our means.

    If you're talking purely financial point of view - sure a Mazda CX5 or Toyota would fit all of our needs (they are very nice cars) but we wanted a reward and something different to enjoy. So for me, the utility I get from this car outweighs the costs (who knows i might think differently in 2 years time!).

    Also I don't care about branding / status or looking good to other people - I think its important to know if this will make you happy

  • Get used to it!!

    Now that Scott Yang and his mates like Simon Holmes a Court have brought in their guns we have replaced one disaster with a bigger one depending on your perception of course.

    Now jail me again great Scott I am waiting to collect facebook and ozbargain jail mugs…..

  • +1

    Even if you're on a good salary these luxury cars still cost a lot.

    Many of the people you see driving around in luxury cars can't really afford it, at least not comfortably.

    They have had to either make major sacrifices in other areas, or have a lot of money on finance to pay off.

  • +1

    Anyone who literally bought/owned any assets over the past 2 years will have done exceptionally well. Not even talking about property, stocks or crypto. If you owned very high end luxury cars, watches or even certain handbags, you would have seen them skyrocket in value. Assuming you were smart and sold off some assets towards end of last year and early this year, you would have made a killing.

    • No they haven't. The submariners barely break even after factoring in regularly service cost.

      I guess some sort of capital gain, but not as much as what many would think.

      • Servicing? lol. I actually had a hulk I bought at retail and sold less than 12 months later for more than $20k profit. Still deciding if I should sell my batman but the markets cooled a bit so i might just hang onto it

        • … that why I am very reluctant to buy seconds.

          • @Domicron: Even Rolex only recommends you service your watch every 10 years….you won't have any issues buying any watch just a few years old

            • @bobolo: Depends on make. Recommended interval is between 5- 10 years.

  • We work hard and manage money.

    I have two BMW's in the garage

    • How hard?

      Two povo pack or ?

      Just curious.

      • +2

        new 2021 X4 and a 428i, bought new in 2016.

        None would be "povo" pack.

        20+ years in sales and would often work 12 hour days for years to get established.

  • +2

    Majority of the luxury you see on the road are older models, which are not that expensive because they depreciate a lot faster than Asian counterparts. For example, a 10 year old BMW 3 series can be had for less than the price of a new Corolla, but for an untrained eye a 2012 may look very similar to a 2022, especially from the front.

  • I bought my first sportscar ($40K) @ the age of 22 working part-time at a pharmacy. I just lived at home and didn't need to pay much rent. For me, it was really just down to not spending anything for 4 years and just getting lucky on some investments I made. Not that buying the car was a good investment.

    My dad on the other hand bought his first Mercedes (~$70k) when he was 45. Had to pay for our tuition for a while so he never really had the chance to buy his own new car. Different goals and priorities I guess.

    We're looking to buy a tesla model y as a family now that all of us work full-time jobs

    • +1

      We do buy our fuel using the 7-11 hack and we store them in 3*20L Jerry cans until prices drop again. Good way to save money too.

      • +1

        Love the hack!

        Been using it for 6 years. All of my friends weren't interested at the time. Then about 3 years ago many started asking about it as their wallets tightened. xD

  • People earn and spend money differently. You’re spending $800 a month on food and coffee for yourself, and $200 on phone and streaming services.

  • You shouldn't be spending 43.5% of your after tax income on rent, consider renting a room out to a friend.

  • What job are you in? I think you're might be really underpaid

  • Maybe don't have the long shower. Get a luxury car instead /s. Not just about what you can afford but what you can justify i think. I sold my car just before Covid and not planning on buying another anytime soon, unless the need arises, so I deff don't get it.

  • People I can't believe we live in a world where this is really a thread.

    You ever heard of the concept of money?
    We use it to buy things

  • +2

    Average wage and Australia's most elite suburbs don't go together.
    Plenty of people are making $200k+ and then there is all the housing boom money. Parents kick the bucket in these suburbs and it's a $5M inheritance on the old family home.

  • +1

    I earn $227k and only bought a 10yo Mercedes for $16k, original list price was $126k 😉

    • +1

      Maintenance will cost triple the cost lol.

  • It's worth noting that drivers are going to be skewed towards the higher end of incomes as low income earners are more likely not to have cars, so comparing to the median wage isn't quite right. Out of this set, then it's not as unusual to have a decent proportion as luxury cars.

    Also, luxury is a pretty wide set - e.g. the base level BMW X1 starts at under $50,000.

  • +4

    "I’m currently earning about $75k and single." Literally that's all I read and all the details you needed to include.

    Everyone driving a luxury car is either a rich daddy, rich from their daddy or rich from sugar daddy. That's all you need to know.

    Us normal people don't bother with those cars. There are other, better depreciating assets to invest in

  • I guess the 8 Australians that bought the new $4.2M Mercedes "clearly" financed it, can't afford it, and living week to week (lol) https://www.bosshunting.com.au/motors/cars/mercedes-amg-one-…

  • +1

    just one thing from me, being single and spend 480 on rent is kinda too much. I'd find a room for half of that, or lucky and less than half. With the extra money, i could surely afford some nicer car. Though it all depends on the person, I could make do with just a bed room being single, some people feel it too suffocating, each to their own

    p/s: I infact was renting a room for 200/week in Mascot, Sydney after the first lock down since i found a decent job.

  • A little off topic, but I think it also depends on how much you value "a nice car". Personally, as long as it is reliable and safe, I don't particularly care.
    I don't really know how to say it without it sounding like a "humble brag", I'll just say that my wife and I both earn well above average incomes. We live in modest house in a good but not amazing area, and drive very modest cars (2004 Mazda 3 and 2006 Mazda 6). Both of our cars put together are probably worth less than either of our post tax incomes per month. It's just not important to us.
    Even if I won 60 million in Powerball, I still can't see myself buying a car much over 100k. I just don't see the point. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to drive a nice car, but does it really enhance your life that much?
    Having said this, it's different stokes for different folks. If you are a "car person", and you have the means, and it makes you happy, go for it. However, as so many have said, it's usually a case of keeping up with the Joneses, which is an endless cycle of unhappiness. There will always be someone who has a nicer house, car, yacht, holiday house, chalet in the alps etc.

  • the wife wanted a badge so i sold my 2020 honda civic and bought a second hand 2014 BMW X3 off my mate last year. i was amazed how good it was to drive so i sold my 2017 pajero sport exceeded and bought a 2006 bmw X5 4.4i V8. now i have 2 luxuary cars and enjoy driving a bit more then before. no way i could ever afford either of these cars brand new.

  • +2

    Sydney cost of living and salary isnt the best. Owning a car is more of a headache especially owning a lux car in todays standard. Maintenance on itself is a hassle. Rents is atrocious. Housing in out of reach.
    I have my own driver and it picks me up each morning and takes me home each night. (Sydney Trains) LOL. Cost cheaper than owning a car and with petrol prices now…run. People with lux cars are like everyone is saying…parents money or wealth from businesses.

  • +1

    You may just be noticing the luxury cars and subconsciously dismissing the thousands and thousands of "average" cars you pass by.
    If you actually counted them, you'd probably find a similar distribution of luxury cars vs the wage bands.

    I do suspect that the average of $60k is woefully low and many people are resorting to cash jobs to supplement their taxable income.

  • +1

    I earn approx. $250k a year, have a $60k car. When I hit $350k a year I'd like to buy a Tesla Model S long range. Most of my money is tied up in property…prefer to play the long game instead of the instant gratification of buying 'expensive' cars.

    • +2

      Good rule of thumb is 50% of your annual income for the purchase price of a car, so you could get an older Model S today really.
      Dunno why you got negged, I guess people don't like to know if someone is doing better than them. Good luck to you sir.

  • Remember, the thrill of a new car/bike/boat will (generally) wear off in about 3 -6 months.

    Then, you're looking for the next shiny thing.

    Calculate the upfront cost, maintenance costs and depreciation of the "asset" over the likely tenure of ownership, then work out if it's worth it.

    If it is, go for it 👍

    Capital investment + ongoing costs + dep. /
    your return on "investment"
    Only you can determine the value you get from the expenditure.

    • the thrill of a new car/bike/boat will (generally) wear off in about 3 -6 months

      Yeah nah. I’d have to disagree with you on that. I love driving & riding my shiny things.

  • +2

    I ponded this question when I was younger.

    Cars are typically a liability. You don’t buy a luxury liability unless you can write a good portion off on tax. Leasing facilitates this. Choose a career where u can justify running your own pty ltd company & having a company car. Don’t buy an expensive car on wages.
    The other thing is, u need to be savi with money. Buy smart. Being on Ozbargain is a good start. Avoid paying full price. Don’t buy a new car unless u have too. Save money, buy second hand. Take your time & take the emotion out of purchases.
    But above all else, it makes far more sense to buy assets not liabilities. Read the book rich dad poor dad.
    (I have an M3 & X5)

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