How Do People Afford Driving Luxury Cars?

Hi ozbargainers. I’ve been pondering about this question in the back of my mind for quite sometime now. Maybe I have been paying too much attention to luxury cars on the road while stuck waiting in traffic. I’m seeing plenty of folks driving luxury cars all around Sydney, whether it’s in the Eastern Suburbs or Western Suburbs. I would say a third of the cars on the roads are luxury brands, e.g. Lexus, Land Rover Discovery, Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, Tesla etc… And that got me thinking.

How do most people afford to buy Luxury cars when the median wage in Australia is roughly $55k to $60k a year the last time we had a discussion on this topic a few months ago.
I’m not jealous of folks buying and driving Luxury cars, frankly, I don’t really care what cars people drive but this particular conundrum caught my attention and got me thinking. Could I afford driving a Luxury Car? And the answer is a NO!

I’m currently earning about $75k and single. After Tax, I take home about $1100 a week. Rent is $480 (Rent cost may be increasing in the near future). Phone + Internet + entertainment (streaming services etc..) bills are approx $50 a week. Fuel is approx $80 to $100 per week. Weekly grocery + lunch/coffee are approx $200. A night out on weekend approx $30 to $50.
So all up, my expenditure is about $850 to $900 a week just to survive on bare minimum necessity in life. So, I’d be lucky to save $200 to $300 a week. I know some folks and families are having it tough earning much less and survive on a even tighter budget, but that is for another discussion.

Looking at my wage + living expenses, I couldn’t afford to drive a luxury car. I just don’t have the money, not that I would want to if I had the money to do so. I’m comfortable driving my Kia, taking me from point A to point B.

So my question is, I’m seeing plenty of folks and my peers paying $700 to $1000 a week in rent alone, shopping and wearing designer clothings, eat out at fancy restaurants almost every weekend, frequent weekend getaways, yearly oversea holidays, using new and latest phones and electronic gadgets and driving Luxury cars costing over $90k. All are on a $90k to $110k salary at most. If I were to earn $100k tomorrow, I would only bring home an extra $300 a week. And having an extra $300 doesn’t allow me to spend on luxury things nor can it improve my lifestyle that much. A basic 2 bedroom apartment in the inner Suburbs pretty much costs $650 to $800 a week. So, with a $100k salary (an increase from my current $75k to $100k, hypothetically speaking), I may be able to move and live closer to the city by paying an extra $300 in rent every week. And there goes my $25k increase in salary. I would still only be able to save $200 to $300 a week at most (like i have been doing so on my $75k salary) with no other significant change to my lifestyle.

I have seen folks working in retails (cashiers in Myer etc..) driving luxury cars, got their nails done, hair done + designer brand makeups + monthly botox/cosmetic treatments + perfumes. How are they doing all this? Are most people on a $120k to $150k salary? The median wage figure in Australia doesn’t reflect that.
On my $75k wage, I could barely afford anything. I don’t get my nails done, cut my own hair, no makeups, no botox or cosmetic treatments, no fancy clothes. Still using my old phone from 2016.

I know there are a lot of wealthy folks in Sydney but still, i don’t think they make up for a third of the luxury cars on the road, especially when taken into account of the median wage in Australia. In addition to owning a luxury car, I’m guessing it’s also costly to buy car insurance and on-going maintenance too?

With today’s crazy housing market. I couldn’t afford to pay mortgage if the Bank were to grant me a $1mil loan tomorrow. In most if not all inner suburbs, heck, even in Parramatta, I don’t think you can find anything decent for less than $1.5mil. So how do people service a loan in the $1 to $2 mil range?? Even with a $100k salary, that’s barely enough to service the monthly mortgage for a $1mil loan. Let alone any left over $$$ to spend on luxury cars, and that’s without adding foods + other living expenses to the equations. The maths just don’t add up.

Just having my long shower thought. I’m looking forward to seeing what y’all think about this. Enjoy your weekend, you savvy bargain hunters!

Comments

  • +3

    IMHO, your cost of living seems quite high? $480/week can give you a 2 bedroom unit or even a house, which then would cost you more for the electricity and or water. If you live in a shared unit/house, you can reduce it to $200-$250 or if you prefer to save more sometimes I still see a $185/week room and that's in the city.
    Assumed you live and work in the CBD, then you'd rarely spend $80-$100 for petrol but let say you use public transport all the time, that would cost about $60/week.
    Weekly groceries/coffee also quite high. Cut that coffee intake and do your cooking sometimes, might reduce it to a $100.

    So all in all, you might save about $300-$400/week.

    I check Lexus Australia and did some calculation with UX All Electric Sports Luxury with the price of $90,712 and $15,000 deposit, 6% interest for 4 years, 10,000 km/year and the estimated repayment is $258/week. So it's purchasable but like you said, doesn't have to. With 130km/h speed limit in NT and 100 km/h speed limit national highway limit, can't use those cars to its speed limit.

    Why people buy luxurious car? Some for hobby, some for business and most for pride.

  • +8

    heck, even in Parramatta

    very bold of you to assume Parramatta as a poor place.

    • +1

      Distance from Sydney CBD seems to be what most people go off. But there are a lot of exceptions like northern beaches for example

  • +11

    You can't drive around The Eastern suburbs of Sydney and talk about the median wage. That is across the whole of Australia including rural areas. House prices alone in the Eastern suburbs make it clear that people who live here are the top 1% of the top 1%. Think lawyers, doctors, finance, business owners, top athletes, media, advertising. Double income families of 500k to well over 1m each. Plus family money, plus enjoyed 20 years+ of the biggest housing boom we will ever see.

  • +4

    they cant afford them

    only through 7 year car loans to the monthly repayments are low can they afford it

    they will end up paying an insane amount of interest in that 7 years (up to $30k in some cases) but that doesnt matter as long as they can afford the monthly repayments

    an $80,000 loan over 7 years at 7% is only $1,200 which is easily affordable to most people (they dont care about the $21k in interest for a total loan of $101k though)

  • +1

    Car loans or finance simples

  • +1

    Debt or they're wealthy

  • +5

    I think about this a lot too – I live in an area of QLD with a particularly high density of Mercs, BMWs etc. The answer in most cases can’t be high salary, the average/mean just doesn’t add up. I’m pretty sure the answer is huge loans and living beyond their means. Everyone telling you that you’re spending too much on rent (probably true) and could afford such a car is advocating living beyond your means. Another factor could be home ownership, no rent or mortgage would make a massive difference to disposable income. A partner with a decent income is makes a huge difference as well.

    I earn 125k + super, which is roughly 90th percentile and probably higher in Brisbane. I don’t feel like I could afford anything more than an entry level Merc or BMW, and even that feels like a huge chunk of money to blow. No way I’d consider a 100k+ car by myself. But then again, I’m not prepared to take out a huge loan for many years with interest equivalent in value to a cheap car.

    • What area is it if you don't mind?

    • $125k as a PAYG employee means you can only salary sacrifice through your employer, which usually isn't much better off than if you found a good car loan deal or redraw from mortgage etc. There is absolutely no way for you to dodge the ATO as your earnings are 100% transparent.

      Other than being wealthy with 300K+ salaries, family wealth, or the small percentage who are honest, the ones who can do it as mentioned above almost always run a small business where they can declare 100% business use. Avoid paying FBT and write of all depreciation and running expenses. Bonus points if there are cash transactions too where they almost never declare the full amount to the ATO. Literally every single person I know who owns a small business owns 100% privately used cars like this and never declare their full cash income to maximise their overall tax position.

      • Tax fraud so they could be dobbed in any time

        • Not sure the ATO will bother. I would guess there would be hundreds of thousands of people doing it Australia wide. Take a look at any tradie ute at a camp site or on the beach on weekends. Ask whether they're declaring all cash income and if their vehicle is 100% for business use or not? HAHA

          • @eek: True for all crime why obey any law

  • +1

    Did the math out of curiosity, a $100k car loan at a decent interest rate (4%) over 5 years is around $1,850 a month.

    I’d never ever do that, because that’s a lot of money to waste on a car, but it’s surprisingly doable.

  • +1

    if you look really carefully, you'll see the uber premier sign. No actually they're driving a luxury car cause they can't afford a helicopter.

  • +1

    I can tell you are a spender mindset based on your rent as s proportion of income, streaming expenses and thoughts about luxury cars.

  • +2

    Drugs, trades and parasite type jobs like REA.

  • +7

    Why don’t you ask every single one of them what they do for a living like that annoying guy who pops up on my feed on every social platform!

  • Sure, some are on a long term loan. But there are also plenty who don't finance their cars. Can't assume everyone is financing.

    Plenty of ways to increase wealth/reduce spending.

    Start your own business/businesses. Stop producing babies (or more babies if you can't afford it). Smart investments. List goes on.

    Small example I've got. I used to have a client that came from a third world country. Worked 3 jobs, 7 days a week to save for years. Ended up starting his own business. He has a couple luxury cars now, not financed either.

  • +2
    • most business owners will buy a luxury car 'on the business' to avoid paying tax

    • a lot of professions get company cars as part of their renumeration package -my best mates wife is in real estate and she has an BMW X1 fully paid for by the company

    • although i dont know what it is like to not have a home loan im assuming those that own their property outright would have a fair chunk more disposable income

    • like any other big purchase you can save till you can afford to buy something however there is a fair amount of people that take out a loan to buy a car, it is no different to saving to go on an expensive holiday

    i personally dont have a flash car but if i had the money i would probably like one, i reckon i've spent probably at least 50k on a number of holidays in my 20s ie europe, usa, asia etc if you value you something i guess you find away

  • +1

    I think it depends where you live. Theres lots of high paying jobs in the city and you notice fancy cars getting round. Move out to the suburbs or regional and its a different landscape of cars. My regional area the only expensive cars are dual cabs and then the most common new cars are like little MG SUVs and there's is still heaps of 20 year old Corolla's kicking around.

  • +2

    Older people, basically anyone who bought a house before the late 90s would have more than enough. They've probably inherited their parents house too.

    Some people borrow to buy such cars for show. Remember seeing a statement of advice when I was in financial planning. Girl earning 50 odd k who owed 90k to mercedes finance. Lived with her parents though so no mortgage or rent.

    • +1

      Did she listen to your advice??!!

    • +1

      This, there's a tonne of Gen-X (me included) who bought a house before prices went stupid. It's amazing the difference in lifestyle when you dont have a mortgage or rent to pay.

  • +1

    I wouldn't get a certain car if i can't afford to get a few of them without breaking a sweat.

  • +2

    Don’t have a car by choice.
    I live 5 minutes from a train station and get free public transport as I work for the railways.
    I can walk to my local Westfields in 20 minutes or train it there in a few minutes.

    I had a car but never used it so sold it, I do have a motorcycle but that’s more for fun. I might hire a GoGet car once every two months.
    I could buy a new car tomorrow with cash and if I did I would just get a Mazda 3 but it would be a waste of money let alone buying a luxury car.

    I have a friend who was going to buy a Mercedes and asked me about it.
    He thought the cheapest one was going to make him appear rich, I said when I see that model I just think try hard trying to impress but it doesn’t.
    I said you would be better off in a high spec Camry, he ended up buying the Camry as he realised he was getting better value for his money.

    • +9

      if you ignore the first sentence- it's like your sale of the century "who am i quiz'

    • Just curious to know, what was the cheapest Mercedes your friend planned to buy? I'm looking at buying an entry level Mercedes.

  • -1

    Intergenerational inherited wealth. Bring on a death tax!

  • -1

    Its an investment, often high yielding.

  • Drug money, money laundering.

  • Have you thought about why you care OP? Your Kia serves the same purpose as their Mercs - gets you from A to B.

    People can be extraordinarily vain and think that if they drive around in a Merc then "they have made it in life". It's often just sad. So, take pity on these sad people, and move on with your life.

    For what it's worth I am apparently in the top 2% income bracket and my car cost $22k, paid in cash. Even then I had to really convince myself that I "needed" to spend that much on a car.

    • +13

      Some people like cars. It gives them enjoyment. Its like saying 'why would you spend $5000 on a bike, the kmart bike serves the same purpose'. Or 'why buy original paintings, a poster serves the same purpose'.

      You clearly arent one of those people. You dont make the choices those people make. But that doesnt make you a better person nor does it make those other people 'vain' or showing 'they have made it in life' or 'sad'.

      I guarantee you on your "top 2% income" now buy things that are more expensive than when you werent earning that income. Maybe you pay $6 per can for a craft beer instead of a slab of VB at $2.50 a can. Maybe you eat at a 1 hat restaurant now and then. Does that make you a sad person?

      Sure, some people like showing off. Some people like luxury. Some people like cars. Let them spend their money on what they want to spend.

      And, no, I dont own an expensive car. My car is 20 years old. And my income is higher than yours.

      • +1

        Wow, you've gone on a bit of a rant there! I agree with what you are saying. I said that it is "often" just sad, not always. I'm talking about those that extend themselves beyond their means just to "look" rich.

        I'm definitely not talking about the car loving surgeon that drives a Maserati.

        But, at the same time, it doesn't affect my life so I really don't care what or why people drive what they drive.

  • "I’m currently earning about $75k and single."
    add a zero to that wage and you'll be right. You would be truly shocked by how many Australian's make that much and more. Once you have everything you need it's just a series of nice to haves.

    • -2

      in fairness he/she earns that after tax op is in the low 100k region which isnt bad …

      adding 10 percent for super and other full time entitlements - ops renumeration package is around the 140k region

      • read it again

        • ooooooooooh my bad i didnt see the full stop i am dyslexic forgive me

      • +1

        I’m currently earning $75k pre-tax.

        • i guess in that case my reponse is simple the average income in Australia is aroud 93k pa thus imagine you earnt an extra 15k or so after tax you could spend it on a nicer car too.

          i mean realistically if you were to buy a cheaper but new vehicle your probably still spending 30k in this market you can get a Audi A1 new according to this https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/new/audi/?sort=%7ePrice

          realistically for under 40k which isnt a huge difference in price but it is 'perceived' as more up market - not everyone 'cares' what they drive so it might not be worth it to you of course but i kind of feel like some people are happy to spend 5k on a hand bag and 1k on a pair of jeans or dress they will wear once, others are happy spend an extra 20k on there car which they will at least drive every day - its much of a muchness

          full disclosure - i drive an 6 year old honda civic so im not one of those ppl driving around in a flash car but if i had the money i would

  • +7

    I’m convinced they’re all criminals. And here on the Gold Coast, they look like it too when they get out of their BMWs covered in gun tattoos.

  • The plumber wanted ridiculous $680 to install a hose that "needed to be installed by a licensed person". It wouldn't take more than 15 min even if he was very slow… I ask how can people afford plumbers these days? 😂 Plumbers can definitely buy luxury cars…

    Anyway, people have different priorities, and are in different situations and stages of life. "Low income" drug users who surf coach or live with their parents can spend everything on drugs, easily 500 to 1000 a week depending on the addiction.

    As previously mentioned, anyone who bought a house in the 1990, and finished paying it, can probably afford an expensive car today, instead of buying a second or third house to rent as most Australians would do if they had the money. I know many people aged 40-50 whose income from work is around 100k a year, and they have two or three houses, because that's what people do when they have money in this country.

    63% of Australians were home owners in 2011… That's probably worse now. Maybe some people accepted that they will never be able to own a home and decided to own something that is still "affordable" based on their income.

    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart…

    Also, your sample is definitely not representative of the average population.

  • +4

    Its like the attractive person problem. You think their a high percent of women/men that are attractive to you, the reality is that is because those are the ones you notice and 90%+ are ones you would barely give a second glance too. The same is true for cars or just about any other exciting or attractive item, you noticing them doesn't necessarily correlate with them being common.

  • I think what OP really wants to ask is that how can I afford luxury cars on 75k. The answer is NO unless you somehow don't have rent or mortgage (e.g. inherit a property or live with parents).

  • +1

    Hi OP, how do people afford houses, if they on low salary?

  • +1

    I convinced the median annual Australian salary is around $200,000. Despite the high cost of services and housing, Australia is full of people wallowing in money, purchasing multiple homes, going on a month's overseas holiday every year. Australian's don't seem to get out of bed for less than $1,000 a day. I seem to be the only exception, Australia's sole member of the execrated lumpenproletariat.

    • If interest rates keep hurrying upwards I think some of those people will get caught out.

  • median wage

    there is your answer. it’s called median for a reason.

  • +1

    Why do people working in retail buy luxury cars? Why do people living in government housing wear branded jumpers and tracksuits?

    Some people are genuinely rich and can afford it. Some people are just stupid and still think they need to show off what they own.

    You can definitely buy a luxury car. Just save up and live on instant noodles for 2-3 years. It would be pretty stupid to do and there are better ways to spend your money, but some people put showing off at the top of their list.

  • +1

    I think on the same lines as the OP….. I think the part that ive come to realise is all these people are on dual incomes, therefore are able to split a lot of there expenditure. I'm not talking like 'usage charges'. But when you think about it, items such as rates (or rent), supply fees, parks charges etc dont generally get cut down when you're a couple although the cost can be split the potential saving is there, you're also doubling the amount you can save per week essentially; that is if you're both working.

  • +9

    Many people who look rich are poor as Shit, and financed to the eyeballs.

    Why let it bother you, but get a flatmate

    • So true. Some people are idiots and slaves to their endless desires.

  • Even if the medium is 55~60K. Luxury cars are for people with higher income.
    Consider if 10% of cars are the luxury brand you mentioned (Audi, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Porsche, etc), the top 10% earners have a $173,136 average income in the year 2020. They could easily afford these cars as a single or a family unit.
    And everyone has their own preference. My headphone system is worth more than $250,000 but I am driving a 2019 Volkswagen Golf, I just don't want to spend too much money on something I don't really enjoy.

    • My headphone system is worth more than $250,000

      Curious to know the details of that system. I can't even imagine what you might have in that.

      • https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/2015-11-03…

        That's the most expensive headphone system @ $55k and I'm not sure if it's even available for purchase anymore as there were so few of them ever made.

      • Accuphase PS-1230
        Linn Klimax DSM/3
        Sennheiser HE90/HEV90
        Sennheiser HE1
        BHSE+STAX SR-X9000
        A couple of cables like Nordost Odin 2 etc.

        You can easily score up to $1M if you have no budget limitation. A couple of cables may worth more than 300~400K, check Odin Gold and MIT cable pricing.

        • +1

          That's multiple headphone systems though. And lol at spending anything more than $100 on a nice looking cable, pure unadulterated alchemy that makes absolutely zero difference to sound quality.

          • @harthagan: A lot of people have the same view until they audit the difference. Wouldn't say Cables are worth investment but they do make difference.

  • +1

    Start your own business, you will then know how to save on taxes

  • +3

    sell drugs ….my neighbors have convertible bmw , 2 audi 4wd , 1 corolla , 2 x vw golf sports ones and not one person in the house works but they get a lot of visitors daily only drawback their been raided 2 times this week and bmw got towed away

    • +5

      They are living the Aussie dream

    • Tradies

      • 100% they are and in government housing

      • tradies leave for work , their work comes to them all day and night …their door swings all day

    • +2

      probably getting welfares as well…

  • +3

    Pretty easy mate. What you make a week, these people make in a day (or faster).

  • +2

    Lots of people taking shots at OPs decisions which they've decided to share, didn't think it was tell me what I'm doing wrong with my own money, it was about how do so many people afford expensive vehicles.

    Many living at home well in to their 30's and their parents pay their bills so they have a larger disposable income.
    I know many who have "hand-me-down" lease vehicles from parents businesses that have worn the bulk of the loss but are only a few years old.
    Debt, like more than they should have for a vehicle given their income.
    OF, Drugs?
    Cash jobs as a tradie also help.
    Borrowing against equity in a house they have?

    But it is an interesting thing to observe, so many near new Prado's, Land Rover / Range Rover, Porsche Macan's, Audi's etc etc getting around that have 2-4 kids riding along in them which isn't cheap either.

  • TLDR

  • People living above their means.

  • +3

    What are you eating that’s costing you $200 a week on food?

    • +1

      I spend less than that for a family of 3 adults.

  • -1

    With the number of "luxury cars" on the road nowadays, it's no longer a status symbol in my opinion. Nothing to be jealous about, still shitty drivers.

  • +1

    The median wage in Australia is like $90,000 a year, so you got a massive chunk of people with spare cash lying around that can splash out on exotic cars while others are underpaid and struggling.

    Then you got the top rung of people that pay little to no taxes that have tons of money lying around that can splurge on expensive cars.

    You got the housewives of so and so and the rich parents beneficiaries and sugar daddy chumps that, useless as they are, got cash to throw at expensive cars to show off on rubbish media like Tik Fok.

    Mucho money galore, and people love to adore and watch them yeah? Yummy

  • From what I understand, its usually not the people who make average wage who are driving luxury cars, they're the ones who drive like a slightly older Toyota Camry and stuff. Otherwise most of the time they either make well above average or at least have planned on buying said car since they started working ever and have saved up a reasonable amount.

    I think also, your expenses dont usually double or at least go up by too much if you live with a partner. Obviously it goes up, but the money towards bills and expenses can be split and in that instance, you might be spending less in that regard. Either way youd have to save up a bit though.

  • They can do it - slap a 30% deposit down and a high residual value on their lease. Roll the dice, gamble your car gonna be worth more than the residual when the time comes. Rinse and repeat but WTF for?

  • Not exactly a luxury car(VW Touareg) but I bought mine via my company to write off GST, claim 50% business usage put 5% deposit down with a medium sized balloon payment.

    Borrowed the rest and pay $1100 per month for the next 5 years @ 4% interest.

    First time doing it and it's been pretty easy and I think still all above board.

  • +3

    Interesting thought. Lots of people get around town in fancy gear, most of them can't afford it. I know a few people with 8 digits in their bank accounts and you know what, they knock around in shorts and t-shirts. The bloke i knew who had a Lotus Elise locked himself in it.

    So back to the affordability question. Well - whats your goal…buy an $80k Landrover Discovery (they're great by the way, i have one). So put away what you need to get to it. Does that mean sharing ($480 a week rent seems quite a lot for a single person?), Maybe reducing on that takeaway coffee or just plain old working harder.

    Sometimes its blind luck too mate, i was lucky, caught the housing market at a great point, worked overseas tax free and worked my butt off. Missed out on a lot of mates weddings and birthdays as i was stuck in some godforsaken place offshore….

    Importantly though, i chose to do this - i worked hard, i earned decent dollars and stashed it away and came back and bought a house for cash. Most of my friends went on holidays and blew loads, saved little and chased their own tails.

    The only advice i can give, is have an objective, seek out a goal, sacrifice the little things, throw in some elbow grease and all this combined with a little luck and you will get what you want.

    Good luck, just for my $0.02 worth, i've never met a millionaire (and i reckon i know half a dozen) - ALL of them are penny pinchers and don't come across like they're dressing for instagram moments. They work hard to get where they are.

  • alot of people in the city simply do not own a car or do not drive it to the city when they can get public transport.

    Move out of the metro areas there are alot more beaters.

    Dont forget a pretty basic ford ranger is 50-80k Brand new and stock.

    Land cruiser 200/300's are 140k

    Both of which many tradies at work have who would be on that 130-170k wage range

    I know people with 2 new 4x4's mate traded his hilux in at good money and waited for his 79 series to come in (6 months+) and wasnt out to much money.

    But rarely do you go straight into a full price loan lets say you had a 50k car after 5 years its worth half so you sell it for 25k and get another 50k loan this time buying a 75k car. Effectively same repayments for a newer better car.

    If you are on a high tax bracket you can get some good deals for salary sacrificing a car, esp if you do decent km's

    But there are people who simply wan the newest and best.

  • +3

    Your friends are in a Cocaine syndicate, they obviously think that you are too loose lipped to bring you on board, the overseas holidays are smuggling runs, how can you not know this

  • Just a few ways some people I know afford luxury cars:

    -dual incomes over 300k per year.
    -inheritance, tax free.
    -owning a successful business, usually handed down from generation to generation.
    -borrowing equity from their house, actually very common with how fast some houses values have risen.
    -highly leveraged car loans, plus 8% interest per year. Very common for young lawyers on 80k a yr.
    - salary scarifying arrangements, very common for high earning professionals 140k plus a year.
    - they earn alot of money.
    - corporate or membership discounts, law societies offer some pretty reasonable corporate discounts and offers on luxury cars.

  • +2

    Over a period of 6 years of full time work between 21 to 27 I purchased and still hold 3x BMW's outright (2x BMW M3's and a BMW M5). All on salaries between 70-110k during this time, also whilst paying off my apartment purchased at 25.
    I was lucky to spend $100 a week on all food, never went out for coffee, always meal prepped etc. Also rarely went on holidays.
    Tip: European second hand market is cheap. I spent a total of $86k for all 3 cars, and today they are currently worth about $170k, so not bad investments. New they would have cost an eye watering $600k.

    The recent shape 3 series can be had between $10-20k in the used car market, most people think they are brand new. Blows my mind when I see friends paying $40k for a new Kia these days, not to mention obscene money utes are going for.

    It is quite easy to afford a european car, you just need to be smart and make sacrifices.

    • +3

      And how much in maintenance have they cost you?
      Also do not recommend giving up holidays in your 20's so you can drive 3 depreciating euro cars.

      When you're 40 and have kids you'll look back and think why

      I had an audi
      I also liked going on holidays and driving a car rather than it sitting in the workshop
      I no longer have an audi and am so much happier
      Reliability trumps badge wankery anyday
      But then again I'm an engineer

      And a tip.
      Car badges are just like watch badges
      The only ones you're impressing are those that you don't necessarily want to Impress

      • +5

        Mate….different people have different interests/hobbies/personalities.

        Not everyone wants to travel the world in their 20's. Many are actually adverse to it. Many people love cars and travelling domestically on road trips. Some take them on track. Some also have the means to do both

        Anyone who knows anything about cars knows M3's and M5's of almost all their iterations are some of the most desirable drivers cars amongst car enthusiasts. They are not typically bought by "badge (profanity)" (those usually end up with a 320i). Some models have actually appreciated in value as well

        I'm almost 40 with 2 kids and look back at all the fond memories and road trips I had with the list of expensive cars I've owned. Did not regret buying any of them and some I miss dearly.

        And the fact you think high end watch brands are simply "badges" tells me you know very little about the passion of innovation and engineering in machinery. I doubt you are even an engineer?

        So a tip - don't assume everyone is the same as you

        • -1

          I'm into cars and watches alike

          I have a seamaster and a speedmaster, so appreciate the engineering. Just I don't know how one values BMW's shoddy engineering as a quirk though.

          Yes everyone is entitled to their own interests
          Just travelling is one which is vastly different from your 20's to your 40's

          Owning a car doesn't change
          Being able to travel and the type of experience does

          • +1

            @Drakesy: Omega would be considered a brand name watch and pretty high end for the average consumer. Comparatively, I would say they are the BMW of the watch world

            The engineering and innovation of BMW are actually some of the best in the motoring industry for several decades - especially from a driving dynamics perspective. The problem is in some previous models, they have a penchant for "over-engineering" and also use of plastic engine components.

            If you are a true car enthusiast, the type of car you take on a road trip changes everything in terms of experience. It changes the way you feel and the experiences you get if you consider the car more than just a tool to get you from A to B

            I travelled in my 20's to most parts of the world and for me, whilst they weren't terrible experiences, they weren't super enjoyable either. Primarily because you are always on a tight budget and with time constraints (budget related). Travelling now I have more time and money to experience more - each to their own.

      • +3

        Also do not recommend giving up holidays in your 20's so you can drive 3 depreciating euro cars.

        Oh cause you're totally going to make your money back going on a holiday. People like different things, some people are car heads, what's wrong with that? It's something you use on a daily basis vs a holiday for a couple of weeks. I'd definitely sacrifice a holiday or two for something I enjoy driving and getting into everyday.

        • -2

          Again you're entitled to your own interests
          That's just my 2 cents

    • +1

      And how old are the three cars you own? Sounds like they are very old examples if you were able to afford them while on 70-110k salary lol

  • +2

    They don't

    It's all keeping up with the jones'
    Last job I had an admin take out a $55k loan on a car
    Her wage was $60k…

    It's an emotional investment for many, not a sensible one

  • People are able to own a luxury car due to multiple factors not just their earnings. For example, comparing your current expenditures + similar earnings to somebody who I personally know. He lives in a shared house, eats tuna+rice and/or noodles pretty much on a day to day basis, rarely goes out and spends minimal in general but drives $50k car. Other friends that I know (1) on a $50k salary had parents paid for it (2) $65k salary, doesn't have other expenses due to living with parents (3) $120k combined income, but full finance.

  • -1

    So many jealous comments. This is typical Australian tall poppy syndrome. Probably one of the worst things about Australia

    In most westernized societies, success is celebrated and admired. People see someone in a nice car/houses and think "well done to that guy - I need to find out what I need to do to have the same!"

    People in Australia immediately think - pfft probably have rich parents/drug dealers/living beyond their means - hope they lose it all.

    It's so pathetic

  • +2

    I think it's a bit more expensive in Sydney, but with realistic expectations in Melbourne, I live further out and pay ~$200/week to rent and share with 1 other person (I pay most of the rent), we share bills equally. I catch public transport to work instead of driving to save on petrol and parking (thankfully only 2 days per week these days, though I lived out this far or further when it was 5).

    On $50-$60k I was saving about $15k/year for a house deposit. Recently my income went up to $73k and now that I'm nearly ready to buy I'll bump it up to $17k+ savings over 6-9months and give myself a bit extra each fortnight to splurge. Only buying a $500k or less house in a very outer suburb, even considering regional, because I really want to buy a house and it's just me and I don't want to spend too much of my income on it.

    My priority is buying a house, some people's is driving a luxury car, yours might be living alone and not too far from work. Everyone's (well, most people's) choices are valid, but they take us in different directions. If I made it a priority I'm pretty confident I could afford a luxury vehicle if I decided not to buy a house, but I have no desire to. I'll upgrade my car to a modest newer car after I buy a house, I'm currently driving a 12 year old car. I still eat out and buy myself treats. I should be able to loosen the purse strings a little bit further after buying a house and more in future as income goes up and loan stays the same. I still wouldn't buy a luxury car.

  • +7

    A few months ago I had my Porsche serviced and it cost $2.5K. I had to replace the damaged wheel of my X5 due to a pod hole cost 3K.
    You can see how expensive it is to run a luxury car beyond the initial purchase price.

    • +2

      i have no idea why you were downvoted, so i fixed that

      ozmoron is full of the jealous tall poppy type

  • You’re in Sydney, the highest cost of living city in Australia and comparing the Australian median salary. At least use Sydney’s median salary.

  • -6

    I’m 30 and wife is 28. I work with a lot of people who are on higher incomes - some more the us. Some drive old beat up cars and others drive C63s, Ferraris, Porsche and other exotics. It’s up to the individual what they do with money. We earn $400k+ combined and drive a older Mazda CX-5 and older Golf. Both we own outright. We also have numerous properties, shares, plenty of savings and a focus on financial independence (not retiring early - I love my job) so we can have more free time/holidays with our child in a few years. I’d choose that over a fast car any day. It’s funny how growing up in poverty makes you want more but not more things. More security.

    • +8

      When did this become Ozbrag?

      • -4

        When did outlining context, contrasting opportunity cost of a exotic to investments and offering a point of view become bragging? By virtue of the cars we drive, the modest life we live and the poverty and abuse in my upbringing, I have nothing to brag about. We get compensated for our work. That’s all.

        • So what industry are you in, Legal?

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