How Do People Afford Driving Luxury Cars?

Hi ozbargainers. I’ve been pondering about this question in the back of my mind for quite sometime now. Maybe I have been paying too much attention to luxury cars on the road while stuck waiting in traffic. I’m seeing plenty of folks driving luxury cars all around Sydney, whether it’s in the Eastern Suburbs or Western Suburbs. I would say a third of the cars on the roads are luxury brands, e.g. Lexus, Land Rover Discovery, Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz, Tesla etc… And that got me thinking.

How do most people afford to buy Luxury cars when the median wage in Australia is roughly $55k to $60k a year the last time we had a discussion on this topic a few months ago.
I’m not jealous of folks buying and driving Luxury cars, frankly, I don’t really care what cars people drive but this particular conundrum caught my attention and got me thinking. Could I afford driving a Luxury Car? And the answer is a NO!

I’m currently earning about $75k and single. After Tax, I take home about $1100 a week. Rent is $480 (Rent cost may be increasing in the near future). Phone + Internet + entertainment (streaming services etc..) bills are approx $50 a week. Fuel is approx $80 to $100 per week. Weekly grocery + lunch/coffee are approx $200. A night out on weekend approx $30 to $50.
So all up, my expenditure is about $850 to $900 a week just to survive on bare minimum necessity in life. So, I’d be lucky to save $200 to $300 a week. I know some folks and families are having it tough earning much less and survive on a even tighter budget, but that is for another discussion.

Looking at my wage + living expenses, I couldn’t afford to drive a luxury car. I just don’t have the money, not that I would want to if I had the money to do so. I’m comfortable driving my Kia, taking me from point A to point B.

So my question is, I’m seeing plenty of folks and my peers paying $700 to $1000 a week in rent alone, shopping and wearing designer clothings, eat out at fancy restaurants almost every weekend, frequent weekend getaways, yearly oversea holidays, using new and latest phones and electronic gadgets and driving Luxury cars costing over $90k. All are on a $90k to $110k salary at most. If I were to earn $100k tomorrow, I would only bring home an extra $300 a week. And having an extra $300 doesn’t allow me to spend on luxury things nor can it improve my lifestyle that much. A basic 2 bedroom apartment in the inner Suburbs pretty much costs $650 to $800 a week. So, with a $100k salary (an increase from my current $75k to $100k, hypothetically speaking), I may be able to move and live closer to the city by paying an extra $300 in rent every week. And there goes my $25k increase in salary. I would still only be able to save $200 to $300 a week at most (like i have been doing so on my $75k salary) with no other significant change to my lifestyle.

I have seen folks working in retails (cashiers in Myer etc..) driving luxury cars, got their nails done, hair done + designer brand makeups + monthly botox/cosmetic treatments + perfumes. How are they doing all this? Are most people on a $120k to $150k salary? The median wage figure in Australia doesn’t reflect that.
On my $75k wage, I could barely afford anything. I don’t get my nails done, cut my own hair, no makeups, no botox or cosmetic treatments, no fancy clothes. Still using my old phone from 2016.

I know there are a lot of wealthy folks in Sydney but still, i don’t think they make up for a third of the luxury cars on the road, especially when taken into account of the median wage in Australia. In addition to owning a luxury car, I’m guessing it’s also costly to buy car insurance and on-going maintenance too?

With today’s crazy housing market. I couldn’t afford to pay mortgage if the Bank were to grant me a $1mil loan tomorrow. In most if not all inner suburbs, heck, even in Parramatta, I don’t think you can find anything decent for less than $1.5mil. So how do people service a loan in the $1 to $2 mil range?? Even with a $100k salary, that’s barely enough to service the monthly mortgage for a $1mil loan. Let alone any left over $$$ to spend on luxury cars, and that’s without adding foods + other living expenses to the equations. The maths just don’t add up.

Just having my long shower thought. I’m looking forward to seeing what y’all think about this. Enjoy your weekend, you savvy bargain hunters!

Comments

  • +166

    How do most people afford to buy Luxury cars when the median wage in Australia is roughly $55k to $60k a year

    They're not on $60k a year. That's how they afford it.

    • +20

      /thread

      I'm not too sure why OP couldn't figure that out. Ask people on $60k what they are driving and it certainly isn't luxury vehicles almost every time.

      • +15

        And the ones who are genuinely on $60k and have these cars are likely either:
        - Taking loans out on the cars and are deeply in debt; or,
        - Family/partner money

    • +26

      ^Literally this.

      You just cannot afford luxury cars if you're making that.

      Many will be more experienced people with incomes $120k+ x2 for income families or individuals >$140k.

      Also, many luxury cars you see are NOT NEW. As the quality gets better they last longer and there is a huge seconds market with huge depreciation in the past. You have a lot of people driving Mercs or BMWs they got for $30-50k second hand, new would have been circa $80-$100k.

      If you own a business, you can pretty much write off most of the cost of the car against your takings if it's for business use. You cannot really write off the costs of your car if you're employed and driving to and from work.

      E.g. If you run a business and make say just $100k a year, you take out a loan on a car and pay off over 5 years and deduct $20k each year from that $100k. You get a car, and you now pay the tax on $80k instead of $100k, obviously you are spending money to 'save on tax' but you get to drive a nice car around in reward for dealing with annoying ozbargainers.

      Then you just have the segment who literally spend all their money on alcohol and nice cars and that it is. Each person wants to live life a different way, let them be.

      Also that figure of $50-70k income is reported income as an INDIVIDUAL. You might have a business owner making $1 million a year, but they only pay themselves $60k personally and the rest of the money stays in the company.

      I run a business now and make more than enough to buy a $200k car but that is still $200k+ interest that I would be spending from money that I make and it is not easy money. I cannot justify spending over $100k for a car and personally see $60-70k a decent price level to buy a car without having to worry about it everyday. I'm not really a car person and would just be happy driving around a hilux all day.

      That said, don't worry about what other people are wearing or driving, just make yourself better than you were yesterday.

      You never know, that young kid driving a $170k sports car is probably just living off generations of wealth.

      • +2

        Exactly. Bought our 3 year old Audi for 50% off the original price a couple years back.

        The depreciation on these models were insane until COVID hit.

        • +2

          With a $30k loan or savings, you can buy almost any car second-hand. (Speaking in pre-COVID terms as well). Massive used car market out there. The rich people like to upgrade every few years anyway so they're always looking to flog off their old models. This is the way I buy most of my cars.

          Even for a dual income family working regular jobs, its not that hard to get a finance/lease for a new Range Rover. Most people are happy to be neck-deep in debt. If it ever goes haywire, the government will just bail you out at the expense of those who make smart financial decisions.

          It doesn't really pay to be financially conservative in Australia

          • +2

            @SlavOz: forget pre-covid that should not be referenced, 2019 is 3 years ago, you cant get anything close to those prices now..

      • +2

        There's a depreciation limit on vehicles. So if you spend $100k on a luxury car, you can only get a depreciation deduction for <$60k over the life of the asset. Unless it's a Ute with a load capacity over 1 tonne or a vehicle that can seat over 9 passengers. All other maintenance expenses are fully claimable though.

        • -5

          Not for the last couple of years. Instant asset write off. No fiddling with depreciation for businesses.

          • +6

            @wackedupwacko: No, cars still have a limit. You can buy a $100k car but you only get a deduction for $64,741 (which is the max limit) in the 2022-2023 FY.

    • +2

      Same as everything else

      Buy on credit/loan

  • +67

    Many costs don’t double when you have a partner so it’s far easier to pay expenses when you have a second income coming in.

    Also most of those people you see enjoying these luxuries are not saving $200-300 per week like you. They’re literally spending every cent of their paycheck week to week. This is why credit cards, afterpay, and personal loans are a thing.

    Hang in there, if you keep avoiding the lifestyle inflation you see around you you’ll eventually have a very comfortable investment nest egg which will continue growing for you for the rest of your life making every coming year easier.

    • +25

      "If you do what is easy, life is hard. But if you do what is hard, life is easy."

      • +1

        Saving money isn’t hard if you’re in a financially stable position which little expenses. It’s only the consumers who need to consume useless luxury shit that find it difficult to keep in repaying their loans since they’re keeping up with their peer group for status.

    • -2

      Many costs don’t double when you have a partner

      bahahaha, wait till you have a wife, costs will be 10x

    • +9

      What?

    • +4

      WTF???
      I see lots of people from other races blowing money like it's going out of fashion.

    • +3

      Agree. Chinese Yuan is quite strong.

    • Some casual targeting there.

      I wonder where most of things we buy are made from?… the money trail leads to…

    • -1

      Accurate 💯

    • +5

      I think you’ve been in the sun too long

    • -8

      Lol, Indians have alot of money too

      • -2

        While it sounds racist to make comments like that. There is a fair amount of immigrant communities that do things to avoid tax or rort the system. They have their own mini economy within Australia. They have their own tradies, suppliers and so on. All cash based. I knew a restaurant owner who couldn’t get a chef unless he paid cash. Also in a lot of Chinese restaurants for example you will see one price for cash and also the regular price. This is a way of getting cash for these economies. By evading tax they can be more competitive which stops law abiding Tradies and workers from getting work. You should dob them in. How do I know? I have worked for people from a couple of different countries that told me how it works and I saw it in action. In their countries that’s pretty much what people do and the tax system works more like just a Super sized GST type of tax system to get the tax the country needs. I was told when I was in India that there is no personal income tax only sales tax which is huge. I never confirmed it but it makes sense. Those countries don’t have all the social welfare systems Australia has so people have to do what they can to get by. Ya can’t blame them THERE. But you can here.

    • -3

      they steal money from ato. A chinese owner of a restaurant next to my workplace drives a luxury car. He never pay tax.

      • OMG! Dob them in to the ATO, and then the ASIO. Stat!

      • Sprayoz Sunnyoz commenting on the same race, are you twins in life?

  • +13

    Yeah I sometimes find it hard to believe the median is only 55-60k

    • +4

      The average is far higher. There’s lots of people who work part time or casual which brings the median wage down

      • +18

        I believe the median full time equivalent wage is ~$90k.

      • +4

        In 2021 average full-time salary was $90,329

        https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/australias-aver…

        • -2

          Bullshit.

        • -8

          100,000s people lost their job in 2020/21.

          Data collected during this period would be heavily skewed towards WFH, the top brass and other management that got to keep their salaries because of how brown their nose was.

          The rest of the workers went on the unemployment line.

          • +8

            @rektrading: Better to take the figures from 2019. Then cut income and increase the expenses for 2023. I don't think the figures for 2020-2022 are quite indicative of the economic landscape.

            The median for Full-Time Employees was $76k yearly. Whereas the Average for Full-time Employees was $89k yearly. Source here.

            Anyone getting $65k single is doing pretty well, or a small-family of $120k. Anything beyond that, and you get the purchasing power to rent somewhere more upper-class, drive something shinier, eat out more often, and upgrade your gadgets more frequently.

      • +1

        The median is the mark that has 50% of the population above it, and 50% below it. Or close enough that it works out that way.

        The average is distorted by outliers. Exaggerated example, if you have 9 guys in a bar making $50k, and one guy walks in who makes $500k, the average in that bar goes up from $50k to $95k, but those 9 guys are still on 50k. The median is not disturbed by the one outlier.

    • +10

      The average salary in Sydney $130k
      Even more in the eastern suburbs and a lot of those people were born into wealthy families.

  • -3

    I thought median wage is like closer to 100k around 10 years ago.

    • +60

      It's 250k on OZB.

      • +5

        Ozb around is 60k , just enough to buy a full spec Toyota or Tesla 3 base.

        Whirlpool is around 250k for BMW M3.

      • +17

        400k on whirlpool

        • 1 million on 4chan. You know coz they can "afford" to cop the abuse.

    • +5

      The abs collects these stats, all the information is readily available, median full time wage has never been near $100k.

      • -4

        I just google it, its around 90k according to abs.

        Estimates for average weekly ordinary time.
        Increased by 2.1% to $1,748.40 annually to November 2021.
        Males: $2,025.20 (public), and $1,812.30 (private).
        Females: $1,799.30 (public), and $1,504.80 (private).

        But ATO numbers would be better

        • +22

          Mean ≠ median

          • @brendanm: True you better find the stats, I'm failing to find.

            • @boomramada:

              The mid-point of male earners, regardless of their hours, was $71,760, with their pay increasing by 6.2 per cent. This rose to $80,132 if they worked full-time.

              For women, $52,936 was the mid-point with pay rising by 1.8 per cent. For those putting in full-time hours, the median pay was $71,760.

  • +24

    You're paying way too much rent for that little income. Get a flatmate or 2.

    • +10

      Congratulations. You just discovered the rental crisis. Rents through the roof and unable to move out because its the same everywhere else.

      • Depends on the city really. Two friends of mine on quite moderate incomes both just secured rentals without too much trouble. They both have 1 flatmate each and pay about $260pw (~ $520 for the 2br house). To be fair though, they did apply for a LOT of places.
        (In Melbourne, inner northern suburbs)

        • +2

          If you need a flatmate to afford rent, then that is part of the crisis.

          • @Cyphar: Maybe, I never rented alone. 1br apartments are pretty low in demand so I would have thought they were affordable.

            • @DeToxin: There is a vacant rental unit, 1br, next to us that got shown to no less than 20 potential tenants, and just a few at a time. Surely they could have chosen a good tenant without wasting the time of so many. It's inexplicable.

              • @raymosaurus: I agree that the renting process can be absolute garbage. The laws preventing agents from soliciting bids above an advertised price has done nothing to prevent it, and most landlords seem to think that their rentals are a cost free investment (ie: never do any maintenance). But maybe because I've always been living in share house situations my perspective isn't quite as bad as those looking for their own place.

                • @DeToxin: Yeah I don't know. Just so glad I'm now out of that predicament. Awful.

      • It's actually not that bad. During the pandemic rent dropped massively due to low demand. It would be prudent for renters to SAVE a bit more during this time as rent dropped as much as 50% in Sydney CBD. Now as the economy and demand is recovering, rent is returning back to the prepandemic levels and suddenly renters can't afford rent? They were living in rentals they couldn't afford in the long term and took advantage of the low demand.

        • And them some. Rents have exceeded pre-COVID rates. My MIL's rent for her house in Tweed was $450 a week before the Landlords kicked her out and then raised the rent to nearly $800.

          • @Cyphar: Unlucky for capital city dwellers where rent is slowly creeping back up but hasn't hit pre-COVID levels.

      • It has never really been the case that a young single person living in the inner suburbs could afford to rent a house on their own though.

        Flatmates are more fun anyway.

    • +2

      got the same thoughts. Not sure how old OP is, but I was sharing room/house all the way till defacto/marriage, was no more than $200/week.

      • Same and now we pay $390 a week for a 2 bed house in west Sydney.

  • +32

    A large proportion of luxury cars are leased, not owned outright.

    • +4

      Or are financed. Exhibit A

    • +5

      Yep.

      Literally 90% of cars in Australia are purchased on some kind of loan/lease/finance: https://nodifi.com.au/resources/car-financing-australia-deal…

      Most of the people driving luxury cars can't actually afford them either.

      (And pay double in the long run because they are scared to appear to be not rich).

      • +3

        And whenever shit hits the fan, they default.

        Some of them are seriously a pain in the ass, make a few payments then default on everything from car / business loans to the fees for their own accountants and lawyers.

  • Some people earn a lot of money. I was having lunch with my leasing provider and he is seeing employment packages for $500k to $1000k…

    • +33

      $1000k.. never seen it written like this

      • +1

        It is known

      • +1

        You have one of those newer contracts that abbreviates it to million?¿

      • +2

        They do write like that in many video games. So I think he just making shit up.

      • It's like those restaurant menus that have their prices with one decimal point.
        Besides, doesn't 1000k sound so much better than a pathetic 1m! ;)

    • +2

      They exist, but there are very few on that sort of coin.

  • +17

    $480 a week rent and you are single. That's almost half of your weekly wage.

  • +3

    Financed

  • +5
    • saving a fortune in the process by skipping due diligence…

      • Usually they are people wanting a High Yield and not good with basic maths or finances, and don't read the fine print.

        • Arts degree with a compulsory semester of creative accounting…

  • +34

    Petrol >$2/l… Just driving is becoming a luxury…

    • +1

      Unless you have an OzB chopper. Then it's still just bearable.

  • +4

    Similar thoughts to yourself OP.

    Some people actually do earn enough and have property/inheritance/family support so instead paying rent or saving for a deposit they spend on the next thing in the hierarchy.

    Also, a lot of the vehicles are financed for personal or business. Car payments to some are similar to rent to others depending on their life circumstances.

    End of the day, we all should enjoy life and some people enjoy having a luxury vehicle over more holidays or another house etc. A lot of my friends at uni drove shitboxes and some financed more luxurious cars.

    • +18

      For me a luxury vehicle would be the very last piece of the puzzle, only after I was legitimately minted with a 3 million dollar property and plenty of investments generating passive income.

      It's for this reason that I think it makes such a profound statement. It should be a signal of extreme wealth, but in reality it's more a sign of extreme stupidity these days.

      • +2

        Well said

      • +3

        I'm not rich at all, I'm just starting out my career and I would and still agree somewhat to your sentiment, but I've since I've taken a liking to cars during these last couple of years, I would say that if it's your hobby and passion it's alright to splash a little. of course I still don't get why anyone would spend so much money on those generic bmw's and mercs on the roads when you can get something better (in my opinion) for a lot less money but then again I don't just see it as a status symbol but something more.

        but then again my arguments goes out the window if we're just talking "luxury" status symbols

        • +1

          but I've since I've taken a liking to cars during these last couple of years,

          Can I ask what's made that happen? I've always regarded cars as a necessity and that it's nice to have a decent one, but if I were able to live without one I'd do so happily. There's a lot of advertising (direct and indirect) aimed at making people want expensive cars and I think that has a great deal of influence that we just don't notice.

          • +1

            @banana365: I've gotten more into cars (mainly just one model) over the years. Strong connection to it, and some tasteful modifications to make it thrilling but still economical.

          • +3

            @banana365: Dad always had inclination to cars because we grew up (and still are) poor so it was a necessity to know basic maintenance and it snowballed from there for him.

            Now that I think about it, I can't pinpoint the moment that did it for me, it was just an accumulation over the past 3 years and I've noticed that the car culture has boomed during the recent years (atleast among millenials, I'm 24). I feel like for me, everything else like housing feels like a pipe dream but buying a decent car still feels achievable.

            Funniest part of all of this is that apart from the family Ford Escape that inherited from my parents, I've never owned an enthusiast car because the same dad are into them always discouraged me about owning one because he thinks they are money pits.

  • +7

    People earn more than you (or I) and spend more on cars. Some borrow more than they should to keep up with the Jones’s.

    What I don’t get is how many new/near new cars there are getting around with P plates. I guess that’s the same though. Bank of Mum and Dad supply most of it, and many of them out all their cash into a flash ride but don’t pay rent and live with parents. It’s not uncommon to see a 1-2yo too spec ute with all the fruit with a p place on it. That’s $60k easily.

    • I've seen a Jaguar with P plates parked on the street outside flats in Marsfield, Sydney, with leaves on it indicating it probably wasn't just a one off use of the parent's car.

    • talked to my neighbour the other day and he said the agent that sold him and me our houses (our estate is pretty much handled by one agency), are taking his son ( who just turned 18 not long ago) around doing real estate. The kid drives a Lexus, probably with his money (though not 100%)

      • +1

        That’ll be leased to the business

  • +9

    House prices going up.

    The number of people who have had a mortgage for the past 20 years and still owe the same amount they initially borrowed even though the house has gone up 10 fold would surprise many.

    Constant equity loans for New Cars, Holidays, Harvey Norman etc, etc.

    • Wait I thought there was a limit to how long you could pay interest only for a mortgage? Surely eventually they have to pay principle.

      • Even if you're repaying principal, you can just remortgage and borrow it all again, plus more, up to your equity limit.

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