A Message from RBA: “Whatever It Takes”

Wow, I did not see that coming so soon – it turns out that our Dr. Lowe speaks “Draghi”.

‘We’ll do what’s necessary’: RBA’s Lowe flags 7 per cent inflation, more rate hikes

For all cat-video fans, “Draghi” is a dialect spoken by absolutely desperate and “put-into-a-corner” central bankers who must protect their credibility at all costs (costs are usually paid by loyal subjects citizens) and who have their focus on one and one target only (usually a mitigation strategy for some very obvious risk that have totally missed).

I will skip through all analysis and give you my opinion as a Bottom-line:

  • Next two hikes will be 50 bps or more (65 or even 100 is very possible as RBA do not provide clear forward guidance as Fed and like to surprise markets)
  • Commercial banks will go into panic mode and will tighten their credit policies
  • Spreads will widen dramatically (put simply, we might see mortgages with 200-300 bps apart because of the credit scores)
  • Business and Consumer confidence will drop substantially (already in progress)
  • Unemployment will go up (will show in the 2022Q3 reading)
  • We will officially be in a recession in late 2022-early 2023

As all of this will not happen in vacuum, there will an interesting side-effect – liquidity will be quickly sucked out from capital markets and with TFF repayments scheduled for 2023-2024, banks will go to savers which will further tighten the amount of money shovelled around.

Don’t kid yourselves – our fearless doctor has already told you in “Draghi” that he is willing to break this economy to slow down the inflation and he will.

So here is a most important question of the year 2022:

Have you sold all your investment properties yet?

Before you throw that rotten tomato at me, remember that I have given you my opinion on Crypto and I hope you listened. Ah, whatever, keep them coming

Looks like the original title was not appropriate (was changed), RBA staff are reading the forums?

Poll Options

  • 42
    Yes, I have sold
  • 18
    Thinking about selling
  • 250
    Property prices always go up

Comments

      • Nope, I don't think we will see NOMINAL negative rates in the near term.
        Governments have re-discovered fiscal and that is mighty inflationary hence Central banks will be on the front-foot from here.
        The next shoe to drop would be BOJ dropping their YCC and the bond yields will explode which will need rates to go higher.

        My read on macro is that we will need to have higher neutral rates than pre 2022 for the same rate of growth.
        We probably will land somewhere in 4-5% range if there will be no massive blow-ups or 3-3,5% if there will be.

        • Here's hoping

  • A Message from RBA: “Whatever It Takes”

    Proceeds to block user RBA from sending Messages

    • Might was well move to live under the rock.

      • 🤨 Can you smell what The Rock is cookin?

  • Newton: What goes up must come down.
    Aussie Property: Hold my beer!

    • +1

      Persons age
      Elapsed time of an event

  • +2

    First, they were worried about the recession and losing jobs and pumped billions of dollars into the economy for free.
    People got free money and started to spend money like there is no tomorrow.
    Suddenly all the discretionary spending and their prices went up(High Inflation).
    Now they are increasing interest rates to lower the inflation and predictions of Inflation.
    What is this Bullshit? If anyone says they understand the economy, they are lying.

    • -2

      its called capitalism

      • +5

        I don't think giving money away for no work is capitalism.

      • It’s actually the complete opposite

    • This is the business cycle, whether you like it or not.

    • The inflation on everything else but houses in Australia is fake news.

      Companies are jacking prices to maintain profits and growth, whilst wages remain as is. Other factors are at play here - starts with supply and ends in demand..

      House prices have been directly impacted by the flood of money into the market on the other hand. Supply and demand also at play, but thatll never change, you cant create more 1000m2 blocks in sydney (in that sweet spot of 20 to 30km) anymore, all you can do is put up a parking lot (appartments), subdivide or duplexes or have plenty of cash to purchase and existing house with 1000m2 plus land - this will only ever get worse.

      • The inflation on everything else but houses in Australia is fake news

        That's what I feel too. I didn't notice any increase in my monthly spending except for petrol.

        • +1

          Groceries have gone up 15-20% since march in many places

      • You forget one important thing.
        It is not just "the demand", it is the "effective demand" and being solvent at higher interest rates becomes very difficult for most.
        Therefore the effective demand curve will shift down and to the left. Supply curve can stay where it is and suppliers will sell less product for less.
        Then question then becomes what happens to those supplier who have not been covered by shifted effective demand and left there sitting with their mortgages that become expensive every day? (not all have bought 10 years ago)

        Don't forget that there is a supply and demand of money that RBA are adjusting the dial up or down. And what RBA said: the money spigots are off.

  • Selling now will cost more.

    . #HODL is the way.

  • Property prices always go up

    This Poll option is correct … but so will everything else.
    Prices should be seen in context. How many years salary is a standard dwelling?

    A suburban house $5 million? Sure thing.

    Fuel? About $30 per litre is a possibility too.

    • No, wrong.

      Electronics, clothes, some staples either have not increased on have been on a down trend. Most importantly labor have been DOWN in real terms.

      Asset prices went up due to lose monetary policy and now this is changing. Hence the post.

  • +2

    literally same bloke 12 months ago - "we arent increasing interest rates will 2024"

    • +1

      And yet he still has a job even though the economists were all going on the record that the rates had to go up far earlier than he did.

    • That is literally the whole idea of this post - the monetary policy is doing 180 degrees turn. So will asset prices in AU.

  • +2

    I purchase property with a minimum 15-20 year time horizon. Everything in the middle is just buzzing noise.

    If I cared about what is happening month to month, I would've purchased securities.

    • +1

      Yeah okay, but what about a black swan event like a global market crash?

      • +2

        Get those pretty much ever decade. For me, it's another buying opportunity, currently positioned and ready to pick up distressed assets. Prices aren't attractive enough yet so will wait some more.

        Expect high competition and prices for building materials for the next decade when Ukraine war ends and they rebuild an entire country. Will need lots of raw materials.

        • This could be a real 🩸🛁.
          💵 may become $100 bills thrown onto the streets.

          • @Brodo Faggins: Lol ok. You write a lot like a bot just picking up random phrases and stringing them together without thought.

        • Same here. When people get greedy, you should be scared. When people are scared, you should get greedy.

  • +1

    Property prices always go up… in the long run.

    As long as…
    - you buy in an urban area and not in a mining town or something speculative
    - no nuclear war or some other disaster that would make house prices dropping the least of your worries

    Houses aren't for flipping, the transaction costs are too high (eg. Stamp duty and agent costs)

    You shouldn't buy an investment property unless you have a 15-20 year horizon and an expectation of negative cash flow for the first 5-10 years.

    It's only those that sell or are forced to sell at the first sign of trouble that end up losing money.

    • So do the price of tulips

  • -1

    I have zero investment properties, and my mortgage is fixed for another couple of years at a rate far below inflation. I'm good.

  • The narrative on underlying inflation has taken a back seat and it's probably because cost of living pressures has started to bite in real terms for alot more people. The RBAs only monetary tool can easily overshoot/undershoot, but the message from Lowe is that it's better to overshoot so they will keep pulling until inflation calms down. Yet, Inflation is a lag indicator, so yes, the rate change will impact on investments in every class and property which is more commonly acquired via loans will take a hit. Sure you can cash out but that would defeat the most attractive purpose of property and its tax concessions rather than capital gain.

  • Sell my investment properties? I'm waiting for suckers like you to freak out so I can buy one if prices finally correct.

    • If you have a strong cash position, this is the correct strategy.

    • +1

      Yep, plenty of people like you and I who didn't over leverage ready to eat those who did.

    • Good luck bottom finishing.

      Just remember that those who buy after a "correction" usually get a chance to buy at even larger correction as a bonus.

  • Credit scores dont influence your home loan rates on application

    LVR on the other hand does

    Credit score might impact your ability to get approved onto the super low rate providers like tictoc or ubank.

    Maybe credit score helps when asking for a rate review, but I doubt the banks would divulge that information

    • Are you a mortgage broker?

      • Are you a fruit shop salesman

        • -1

          My wife works for a bank (big 4, not small one) and they manually check credit file of loan applicants. If you are reaching your 7% lending limit it plays huge role.

          No bank wants to lose money, mate.

  • After the last 2 recessions house prices doubled….

    House values will always go up, eventually.

    • Recency bias and I am not talking about recession being a reason

      1. We are not in a recession yet
      2. Where were the rates after each of those 2 recessions? Do the math if we are near zero now - how LOWER these rates can go?
      3. There will be no solid reason for a QE this time around

      Nothing from the playbook of the last 2 recessions will help in the coming one.

  • +1

    RBA is down on suppress inflation, I am all for that. A choice between high inflation and recession is tough.

    But why we are here in the first place, with super high inflation ?

    BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT PRINT TOO MUCH MONEY, worse problem is many government did the same thing. The impact will be huge.

  • +1

    Why is it so hard for people to see the big Long term picture..

    Rates are still historically so low.
    Why would anyone sell anything right now.
    Time to pick up some bargains from those desperate sellers

    Be it property or shares

    • +3

      Who’s holding tons of cash when inflation is eroding the real value at 10%+

      • Sorry, what should I be doing with my surplus cash that I already haven't done? (Hold properties, shares and small crypto)

        • Gold? Idk. Unless you like 3% term deposits

      • Don't need tons of free cash when you have low/no leverage, stable, significant income stream(s) and high net worth.

        Not everybody is highly leveraged + low net worth (although many are).

    • Because if you do and God forbid you will do it on leverage, then you will be that "desperate seller" in a few months time.
      Time to buy is not when "there is blood on the streets" but when there is a clear signal to clean that blood up.
      And we are not even in the "blood on the streets" yet, buying more is exactly opposite of what you need to do

      • I'm buying a bit every few months
        Got nothing else to do with the excess cash

  • -1

    If everyone is warning us that house prices are going down. They won't.

    It will be something very few people see that will cause the crash.

    • -1

      exactly, and they are banging on about recession. something worse is coming i think

      • +1

        Such as?

  • Who are you? How many investment properties do you hold? Why should be your opinion relevant?

  • +1

    Even if house prices continue to increase, that extra $500-700 a month in interest (not principle) repayments due to higher interest rates are going to dent the debatable profit margin. A lot of first home buyers will surely decide the market is not for them. (Or simple will not be able to afford the repayments and will have a lower borrowing capacity).

    Of course pass this expense onto renters - then we will have a homeless problem.

    Watch the immigration lever get pulled.

    I’m expecting better interest rates on my savings or I’m pulling it out of the bank. I’m not supporting their ponzi for spare change

  • new option required on Poll - Im eating instant noodles for the next 5 years :)

  • Property prices still have much further to rise, yes there will be a small drop, but then they'll begin to rise again. It depends on where you want to park your money instead, and if you want to play those ridiculously high fees when buying and selling all over again.

    • Funny thesis.
      Care to explain the driver for prices growth?

      • +1

        1, Huge lack of supply (we are at 1/2 of what was on the market in 2019).
        2, Open borders - migrants and students need shelter
        3, Prices of new builds, repairs went up by 15%-20% due to supply shortages

        Watch Brisbane, Adelaide end the year 10% to 15% in positive. Easily, as Brisbane has grown 1.4% just in the last month.

        Property market is not just Sydney and Melbourne. If you live there and all you read is local news, then it’s end of the world. If you own properties around the country you will see some of them still growing, albeit slower (25% a year was indeed once in a 30 year event).

  • +1

    The property prices will drop, they already have.

    The interest rates will go up. They already are.

    The share market will drop, it already is.

    The rich will raise rents to offset the raise in rates. They will just hold onto the property and stock they own and ride it out to the other side. Long term it makes no difference to them. Their quality of life remains unchanged.

    There is a chance the entire market as we know crashes and we have a GFC level situation, but by then you will have bigger problems than laughing at the rich. By then there will be rampant unemployment, crime rates will spike and mortality rate will increase, and even then 6 years later everything was still higher than it was before the crash. Just more poor people died.

    • +2

      Yeah but our TVs keep getting bigger and cheaper, that's all that matters.

    • @MrMoo - I don't think we'll have a GFC style situation ever again.

      The government will do everything in its power to make sure property prices will stay and remain high. I am not familiar with taxes in other states, but stamp duty in NSW is a huge cash cow for the government. There's no way they'd let anything hurt that.

      If we go into a recession/depression. I can see banks offering mortgage holidays like they did during the pandemic, differ payments or increase the duration of mortgages e.g. 40 or 50 years instead of the usual 25/30.

  • I knew it. Frugality and sound, long term investment strategies do pay off.

    Fnancial independence is the third most important thing in life after family and health.

    • +1

      So you mean my NFTs and Bitcoin won’t go to to the moon. Logan Paul said so 😂😂😂

  • +1

    Saying "asset values will eventually come back" is a bit like saying if you pray for rain, it eventually does fall.

    If you bought a Ginza apartment immediately before the Japanese property crash and have held onto it for the past thirty years, you're almost at break even point. You've also wasted thirty years of your life, if making a capital gain was your goal.

    https://i0.wp.com/japanpropertycentral.com/wp-content/upload…

    • Good point.

      The asset prices have enjoyed a number of tail-winds in the past 2 years that almost NEVER come together.
      Such convergence is unlikely to repeat EVER again.
      So, I am puzzled with people who say "I know that prices might fall but I do not want to sell" - what is the bloody point to be long an asset that you have low confidence in?

      I won't even go into describing those who are confident that "RE prices always go up" - those ae better left to market forces.

    • What kind of a cherry pick is this?

      Have you seen Japan's population growth over the last 30 years? It's basically been stagnant, and actually negative over the past few years.

      Sorry not a good example mate.

      • But I thought property always went up mate? Are you saying it doesnt always goes up? That sometimes the great real estate agent in the sky does not benevolently smile down upon us all?

        Have you seen Japan's population growth over the last 30 years? It's basically been stagnant, and actually negative over the past few years.

        This is correct. Property values will only increase so long as the population does.

        Our fertility rate is about 40% below replacement level. Its cratered by about 10-15% in the last couple of years alone, mostly since young couples are reluctant to have children until they have the security of owning a house.

        A lot of knowledge industry workers have figured out, over the past couple of years, that they can do their job from essentially anywhere, including countries with a much lower cost of living.

        The impact to migration alone is going to be significant:- https://mccrindle.com.au/insights/blog/how-covid-19-is-likel…

        • Japan is dying a slow death.

          They'll be an island of 👵 👴 people by the next generation unable to find workers.

          • @rektrading: Japan's population policy is far more rational than most western countries that are effectively running a migration based ponzi scheme.

            Japan's main weakness is not its gradual population decline, which most countries are going to have to deal with eventually, but rather the fact that it has propped up its economy with infrastructure spending which it itself only sustainable due to Japan's continuing current account surplus and the willingness of its companies to continue parking that surplus in government bonds.

  • -5

    I reckon there needs to be a lock in rent prices. YOU made the investment, not your tenants. Investors who can't afford to pay may sell and then the renter's might be able to afford it.

    • Rent control turns liveable blocks in NYC into trash dumps.

      It will do the same if Australia goes down the road.

    • Price controls always lead to disbalance.
      As QE, loose monetary and everything that any government does… especially in Australia.

    • Spoken like a true renter for life. 🤣

  • +1

    I purchased my first house in a good Adelaide suburb 7 years ago for 300k. Its now worth 550k (not a crazy increase compared to some other places, but at least I am in the market).
    I dont have a huge mortgage on it and its currently being rented out for $450 per week. Easily covering the repayments.

    I am still in my 20s. I did think of selling it and putting the money into a different investment. Or I would love to sell up and build my dream home in the country somewhere.

    But in my situation, I still think keeping the rental longterm is a reasonably safe option.

  • Looks like the original title was not appropriate (was changed), RBA staff are reading the forums?

    Probably not a good idea for random strangers on the internet to give investment advice

    • Oooh, spooky.
      Provide a legal definition of an "investment advice" and then point to the part in my post that matches that exactly.
      Cmon, follow through.

  • +1

    Things I don't get about inflation: Things are going up but I now have more money to buy these things, so doesn't that negate the situation? More money doesn't mean everyone's going on a spending spree. I for one haven't splurge for a long time seeing a shaky economy. Lastly but not least, I ask myself why would I buy things that I know have been cheaper in the past.

    • Wages at the moment are not keeping up with inflation, if they were it would negate it to a degree.

      As for things being cheaper in the past, they may go back to that price or they may not. A lot of the current inflation pressures do appear to be temporary but time will tell.

    • You have more money to buy things, but what about the rest of us?

    • No one gets more money in stagflation (only gold miners and gold holders have been better off in previous cycles).
      Stagflation is the next quadrant we will go through.

  • " THE MUSIC IS ABOUT TO STOP PLAYING"

  • Prices aren't dropping any significant amount. Housing market is the economy. It's that simple. If housing truly collapsed then the entire economy goes down. They won't let that happen. Will prices stagnate? Yes. Will some areas experience controlled but minimal drops? Yes. Will there be a true 20%+ drop nation wide? No, not yet. When that time comes it will be the least of our worries as when that does happen there will be much worse things going on in the world. Yes, I'm bat shit crazy.

    • Established real estate is NOT the economy.
      New RE being built is a part of economy and that is sad fact that I posted about already.

      No-one would care about established RE as long as builders and contractors are engaged (and that industry is on a death bed because of unsustainable business model) hence this country's economy is screwed many times over.

      More is here - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/701036

      • Well, yes, we need to keep "building" and that is the economy. Pretty simple. Prices will not drop. Nothing about what I posted changes. There's no need to over complicate this. The real estate market, established, being built, semantics, whatever, will not crash any time soon and when it does it will be the least of our worries.

        • Real economy drivers vs speculative mania are "semantics"?
          Sure, but then you better be ready for a nasty surprise.

    • +1

      "They" won't let that happen. My gosh, we really do have unlimited faith in "they", don't we?

      • They will become irrelevant, at some certain point the damage will be too big to contain.

  • Commercial banks will go into panic mode and will tighten their credit policies

    Your post is very hard to read. Are you saying with interest rate hikes banks will panic? If this is your theory it's wrong. Yes they'll tighten credit policies, but they won't panic.

    • Ok, so you would not panic if you had billions in "soon to be non-performing loans"?
      Respect, that is balls of steel… but that is not how banks operate.

      Therefore, no more "free money"

      • so you would not panic if you had billions in "soon to be non-performing loans"?

        No. This is why banks provision, which are currently at very high levels. They also stress test extreme scenarios and all major banks will remain well capitalised even in a severe recession.

        • Yep, where did you get your "provision" levels from?
          Based on TFF hand-outs that will mature in mid 2023?

          Commercial banks have become much more prudent with their capital and this is why you see fixed rates skyrocketing regardless of what variables are doing. This is the panic mode compared to "free money" mode from a year ago.

          • @ALesha77: I’m curious, do you work in banking or you’re just an observer of what’s going on?

            • @El-Rhi:

              • I am a contracting IT Project Manager

              Isn't ozb 99.99% tech geeks with opinions on financial markets?

              • @rektrading: That says it all. I work in banking and just laugh at some of the stuff this person is saying, much of it completely false….

                • @El-Rhi: And what is your position in banking?
                  Some of you thoughts might put you on the level of customer service desk, am I right?

                  • @ALesha77: Junior service desk operator thank you very much

                    • @El-Rhi: You are in the right spot, hold onto it.

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