Nissan Leaf 40kWh: Average July 2022 Market Price $44,716 According to CarExpert Sold Price Report

SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:10
Last edited 26/08/2022 - 14:52 by 4 other users

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Recently Car Expert produced this report to showcase cars that are selling at a discount, despite the disruptions currently in the supply chain. Of course, there are headline cars like the BMW M8 Competition which can be had with a near $80,000 discount, but lets be honest, most OzBargainers cannot afford a $350,000+ car, so the real headline is the Nissan Leaf, an electric car that

  • Built in Japan
  • Has a great build quality
  • Has a decent inner city\suburban range
  • Priced reasonably

Every state has different stamp duty charges, in Vic it would be $44,716 + $1,881.60 = $46,597.60 driveaway.

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    • JLCC on 26/08/2022 - 13:42
      +1

      I'm out of the loop on these things, can someone let me know what BYD means?

      • 17833 on 26/08/2022 - 13:44
        +2

        Build Your Dreams new Chinese car maker in Australia

      • Transient on 26/08/2022 - 13:45
        +3

        BYD is a car / battery maker - supposed to stand for Build Your Dreams

      • Flirtle on 26/08/2022 - 13:46
        +6

        Blow Your Dollars

      • Taro Milk Tea on 26/08/2022 - 13:52
        +1

        Blow Your Duck

      • taki on 27/08/2022 - 00:34

        Best selling car/battery maker You Deserve to keep the Industrial re-pollution low ;)

    • Transient on 26/08/2022 - 13:44
      +6

      I think the LEAF has bi-directional charging. That's always appealed to me. No need to buy a separate battery for the home solar - just use the car. Hopefully more car makers adopt this soon (think there's about 4 currently).

      • serpserpserp on 26/08/2022 - 13:50

        Not sure how easy it is to power your house from your car? I like the idea though

        • Transient on 26/08/2022 - 14:05

          I was researching it a few years ago when we were thinking about getting a new car. Tesla powerwall has about 13.5 kWh. LEAF battery about 40-60 kWh - so about 3-4 times more. You need to buy a bi-directional charger so not only can you charge the LEAF during the day but you can use the car battery to run the household at night, but it depends on your usage / situation. If your car stays at home most days (eg, WFH or weekends) you charge the car using solar during the day and run the house from the battery at night. However, if you are away from the house most days and only come back at night then not optimal.
          Also wasn't perfect back then. Only LEAF cars had this capability. Also bi-directional charger was not approved for use in Au. Now I think 4 types of cars can do this. Bi-directional chargers becoming more common. Maybe next time we change the car.

          • od810 on 26/08/2022 - 14:10
            +2

            @Transient: That bidirectional charger is 10k+ installed. Better to install your own battery rather than use your leaf as battery. Don't know about the new model but the old leaf has massive issue with the battery due to no active cooling on it.

            • Transient on 26/08/2022 - 14:14

              @od810: yeh, 10k for the charger is too much. Hopefully drops in price over the years as it becomes more common in other countries.

              • od810 on 26/08/2022 - 14:55

                @Transient: Problem is nissan using ChaDemo connector. ChaDemo doesnt have great support, likely to be phased out pretty soon. So the chance of seeing bidirectional charger that cheap is low.

                • Transient on 26/08/2022 - 15:09

                  @od810: Seems the outlander is also using ChaDemo but the Ford is using CCS but needs proprietary equipment for V2H. Hopefully the other cars using CCS will also adopt V2H charging.

            • us3rnam3tak3n on 26/08/2022 - 14:18

              @od810: Yeah, give it a couple of years for pricing to become more competitive.

      • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 14:25

        So does BYD

      • taki on 27/08/2022 - 00:35

        BYD too, very soon to update

    • us3rnam3tak3n on 26/08/2022 - 14:08

      V2G

    • Ryk on 27/08/2022 - 12:35

      Have you seen the interior of the byd? It’s… ah… “an interesting take on what’s possible” but perhaps they shouldn’t have.

    • Calvin27 on 29/08/2022 - 14:50

      An actual model that has got a manufacturer behind it in the country and that has had a few generation on our shores. THat's worth a fair bit especialyl when comapring a new entrant that runs out of a repair shop.

  • stevo82 on 26/08/2022 - 13:19
    -6

    Hydrogen cars are the future for Australia

    • hashtagbargain on 26/08/2022 - 14:23

      Horse drawn carriages are the future for Australia

    • WhiteEvo6 on 26/08/2022 - 14:26

      Hydrogen as a green solution is a myth, similar problem that ICE cars have. It would need to be extracted from coal or natural gas creating carbon dioxide for the quantities we would need to hit a cost effective rate. It also cannot be recycled like EV batteries and reused vs Hydrogen is single use, same issue with have with existing fuel types.

    • freefall101 on 26/08/2022 - 14:49

      The laws of physics argue otherwise.

      Hydrogen has its place, importing fuel to nations with no renewable energy sources, replacing diesel for off the grid and shipping, but for a personal car it makes so little sense it will never happen. Why would you buy a more expensive car that's more expensive to run? Who is going to build out the refueling network required?

    • slowmo on 26/08/2022 - 15:12

      HAHAHAHHA

  • tgame on 26/08/2022 - 13:20
    +6

    Does this Nissan Leaf still use air cooling on the batteries?

    • El Chyeah on 26/08/2022 - 13:30
      +6

      Pretty sure it does, would never buy one for Australian climate

      • CocaKoala on 26/08/2022 - 13:57

        Pretty sure it does

        Any links up back up this claim?

        The earlier models did not have active battery cooling and I'm not really sure that's changed now.

        I won't buy one until they sort this out, even if I were in the market for an ev.

        • AL0126 on 26/08/2022 - 15:43
          +1

          I think they mean passive air cooling, so no active cooling of any sort (that's my understanding too).

          • CocaKoala on 26/08/2022 - 16:27
            +1

            @AL0126: Ha, totally my bad. Thank you for pointing it out. :-)

    • jmel on 26/08/2022 - 13:33
      +5

      this is the biggest problem. and also the reason why leaf battery degrade so quickly

    • fuzor on 26/08/2022 - 13:43
      +1

      Always park in a garage or just fit an aftermarket cooler yourself. Will cost next to nothing compared to having to replace battery down the track.

      • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 14:26

        just fit an aftermarket cooler yourself

        Ah yes, will just pop down to Supercheap and void my warranty.

  • Metre on 26/08/2022 - 13:21
    +4

    In this market I don’t believe the Leaf is a great value.

    This might be a somewhat simple but informative chart for EV comparisons: https://thedriven.io/2022/05/03/which-ev-best-range-for-doll…

  • Che0063 on 26/08/2022 - 13:23
    +10

    I'm not going to waste my first ozbargain downvote, but I think this deserves it. OP doesn't seem to understand that, whilst it might be stereotypical for chinese products to be of low quality, that's not always the case. As far as I know the VAST majority of products have some input from China. Most cars do, too, and they don't seem to be falling apart.

    OP, you directly benefit from Chinese manufacturing. We all do.

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:32
      +21

      nothing to do with quality of manufacturing, but good to see unconscious bias on your end.

      My main point of contention is us as westerners directly funding the (probable) war chest of an authoritarian dictatorship. The faster the West can divest from China, the better.

      • Laserface on 26/08/2022 - 13:43
        +4

        I hope you've never bought anything from the UK, USA or Russia.

        • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:49

          byat! no way from mother Russia and I don't have a high opinion of the USA either.

          As for Britain, they are basically the yapping Pomeranian that still thinks its a Rotweiler.

        • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 13:56

          I hope you've never bought anything from the UK, USA or Russia.

          You went full retard. Never go full retard…

          • Laserface on 26/08/2022 - 14:08
            +1

            @1st-Amendment: Says the username referencing the American Constitution.

            • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 15:05
              +2

              @Laserface:

              Says the username referencing the American Constitution.

              You went full retard twice in one thread…

        • bart2 on 26/08/2022 - 13:58

          I havent

          • Laserface on 26/08/2022 - 14:09

            @bart2: You've posted 4 deals on computing products on this website, so you've certainly helped China indirectly at the very least.

      • wtfnodeal on 26/08/2022 - 13:47
        +4

        I thought opinions involved with politics belong to a forum post? Why is it noted ‘isn’t made in China’ in the deal post description instead of simply stating which country it is made? I don’t think I have seen any products with country of origin stated on the packaging ‘Isn’t made in China’.

      • Che0063 on 26/08/2022 - 13:51

        With respect I kindly ask that you refrain from putting politics in post descriptions.

        If I mistakenly thought your post was referring to chinese manufacturing, I do apologise. I can see that there has been a revision, and I agree that supporting dictatorships is terrible.

        My point still stands - Chinese manufacturing benefits everybody - including the chinese workers who are trying to support their own children like the rest of us. Yes it supports the CCP, but you've also brought countless other items that "directly fund" the war chest.

        • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 14:00
          +2

          My point still stands - Chinese manufacturing benefits everybody

          Except the Uyghurs… they aren't doing so well, but hey look… cheap stuff!

        • KangarooOz on 26/08/2022 - 15:22
          +1

          You are so kind.
          CCP banned so many import from Australia and we lost a lot jobs as a result of it. CCP put politics in international trading.
          Now you told us "refrain from politics" in Australia.
          Are you one of the fifth column?
          Australian should show some guts.

          • ihfree on 26/08/2022 - 15:52

            @KangarooOz: If Australia wants to reduce reliance on China, the government should be smart about it.

            Scomo and the LNP had the exact wrong approach - openly attacking China for political gain and damaging Australian industry.

      • taki on 27/08/2022 - 00:57
        +1

        Stereotyping? China doesn't depend anymore on the West. Their main partners are ASEAN & BRICS. The Asian century started last year (99y + to go;)
        They lead in AI, automation, fast-growing infrastructure, public education, etc. Apple builds in China, not because of cheap labour but because the best supply chain & the best App developers (critical for Apple's survival).
        I started to avoid US/UK/EU products because I don't support bullies.

        • fuzor on 28/08/2022 - 03:27
          -2

          It’s unfortunate that you live in Australia because this is a country with no free speech. You can talk shit about the government all you like, but you better watch out if you’re not going to toe the political monologue and end up having an opinion that supports Russia, China or the other Brics countries, then you’ll be as ABC puts it “condoning violence”. Doesn’t matter if you’re Russian yourself, you are expected to hate Russia if you live here.

          • Euphemistic on 28/08/2022 - 13:14
            +1

            @fuzor: sigh.

            No, you don’t have to hate Russia. You need to acknowledge that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is bad. Regardless of reasons for their invasion, it is an invasion and killing lots of people (both sides) and wasting huge amounts of resources.

          • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 28/08/2022 - 16:37

            @fuzor: Free speech doesn't mean people have to be nice to a-holes.

          • Nom on 28/08/2022 - 20:23
            +1

            @fuzor:

            having an opinion that supports Russia

            No rational person will support what Russia is doing in the Ukraine - it's simply not a valid opinion.

    • ihfree on 26/08/2022 - 13:35
      +7

      A lot of people are in denial about the global supply chain.

      • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:43

        a lot of people are angry that our 'captains of industry' a generation ago sold us out to outsource labour to cheaper markets for the sole purpose of getting an extra kicker to their yearly bonus. Now our generation has to deal with a belligerent nation hell-bent on not respecting her neighbours.

        • dread22 on 26/08/2022 - 14:16
          +2

          They outsourced labour because the people buying the goods were happy to buy cheaper goods from outsourced labour while acting outraged that jobs were getting shipped overseas. There is a reason Amazon is the world's largest retailer, and it's not because they have great working conditions.

    • dust on 26/08/2022 - 13:47

      As the great MC Jin once said "Check your Timbs they probably say "made in China" ".

  • yht on 26/08/2022 - 13:24
    +6

    I read an article yesterday in regards to BYD car, they have more service costs than Tesla and multiple different warranty for parts, etc

  • onegpt on 26/08/2022 - 13:29
    +8

    well even if the chinese products are great in quality. they still help CCP. its a small impact but it is probably more impact then a single vote.

    • pzhon on 26/08/2022 - 13:34
      +4

      I like some Chinese people not brainwashed, same value to us.

      I like China but not the government.

      I support Reputable Chinese products only if the brand not under controlled by CCP.

      • serpserpserp on 26/08/2022 - 13:52
        +3

        I support Reputable Chinese products only if the brand not under controlled by CCP.

        Do these exist?

        They have in the past, but then when they get big enough, big brother comes knocking for its pay off or it is regulation time….

      • spc12go on 26/08/2022 - 13:57
        +2

        @pzhon it’s going to be very very hard. All big company in China must install a party member in the board.

      • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 14:01
        +2

        I support Reputable Chinese products only if the brand not under controlled by CCP.

        Which does not exist since the CCP demands control of all private business in China.

    • taki on 27/08/2022 - 01:00

      because they don't like money dictatorship like the US. They are socialist (people 1st)

  • trevor99 on 26/08/2022 - 13:30
    +1

    Early adopters have to junk their cars when battery is end of life due to replacement cost. Doubt that's changed.

    • Casterton on 26/08/2022 - 13:38

      That is why i am waiting for solid state batteries to be ready for production on large scale, way less heavier then todays batteries tripled the range, twice the life time and less prone to heat.
      But unfortunately that Tech is still 5+ years away.

      • serpserpserp on 26/08/2022 - 13:54
        +1

        Why is the unfortunate? Current EVs have batteries that last 7-10 years, so by then they'll be able to retrofit these batteries you talk about.

      • I like freestuff on 26/08/2022 - 13:56
        +3

        and will be 5 years away in 5 years.

    • Nom on 28/08/2022 - 20:27

      junk their cars when battery is end of life due to replacement cost

      So exactly the same as a petrol car then ?

      A friend of mine had an engine replacement under warranty in his Audi, and the bill (to Audi) was $20K.

  • revivor on 26/08/2022 - 13:31
    +3

    I had an interest in their BYD EV until I heard their warranty and servicing cost! Appalling! I've heard some have gone to cancel their Atto 3 orders!

  • boydbino on 26/08/2022 - 13:32
    +3

    Alternatively you could import a Nissan Note E-Power for less, and you will have a bigger battery.

    https://www.ironchefimports.com/cars-available/2017-nissan-n…

    Although it is a second hand car, it is much better value, unless you fall for Nissan Australia's recent fear mongering over imported vehicles.

    • PhatTofu on 26/08/2022 - 14:09

      "bigger battery"
      I don't think a 2.1kWh battery recharged by a petrol generator is an apples to apples comparison…

      • boydbino on 26/08/2022 - 14:18

        It has an 80kwh battery, working with the hybrid system. The range is significantly larger too. Cheap to run, even with inflated petrol costs.

        Great option for someone who is not looking for new, or wanting to fully switch to a low range EV car when there is not the infrastructure to support the car well enough yet.

        • netjock on 26/08/2022 - 14:30
          +3

          It has an 80kwh battery

          You might want to double check that.

        • Jerome87 on 26/08/2022 - 14:48
          -1

          Haha.. It's got an 80 kW electric motor, the battery is only 2.1 kWh

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:35
      +2

      maybe read the comments.

      • wintersnow911 on 26/08/2022 - 13:42
        +1

        OK, If I want politics I would go to OZPolitics.

    • brendanm on 26/08/2022 - 14:28
      +1

      Apple is not a Chinese company. They have actual manufacturing standards.

  • BennyHe2018 on 26/08/2022 - 13:32
    +3

    EV cars are still much more expensive than the petrol and diesel cars:

    https://www.toyota.com.au/corolla/hatch/prices.

    • beach bum on 26/08/2022 - 13:57

      If you spend $5000 a year on petrol it will have paid for itself in 10 years .

      I don't know what the battery warranty is like , or if there's an exchange program/cost , but that would be best negotiated before a purchase .

      • BennyHe2018 on 26/08/2022 - 14:39

        I think battery won't last for 10 years, most likely 6-7 years. It is like phone battery with certain charging cycles lifespan. The cost of replacement would be critical.

    • Stopback on 26/08/2022 - 14:01
      +1

      15k add in the gov 5k benefits 10k

      add in solar panels in home and rising fuel costs

      in 10 years its the same price,

      • BennyHe2018 on 26/08/2022 - 14:45

        Should check the battery replacement cost. EV is great for urban commuting on congested road since it is not burning fuel when idling. For long distance driving, the battery capacity and charging speed is still not good enough.

        • ihfree on 26/08/2022 - 14:55
          +1

          From the warranty:

          EV vehicles with a Lithium-Ion Battery Pack sold from the 1st of April 2019 come with a Nissan LEAF Lithium-Ion battery State of Health guarantee. The Nissan LEAF Lithium-Ion battery State of Health guarantee protects against battery capacity loss (less than 9 bars out of 12) as shown on the in vehicle capacity gauge for a period of 8 years or 160,000 kilometres, whichever comes first.

  • WestAussie007 on 26/08/2022 - 13:36

    From 56k drive away in Perth😔

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:37

      you can get it delivered to you from VIC for not much

      • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2022 - 13:57
        -2

        That would be a nasty long trip, say 12 stops of between 1 to 8 hours a stop. That's 4 days of charging and 1.5 days of driving

  • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2022 - 13:42
    +4

    I am seeing $53,515, how do I get the $44,716 price?

    This is a great little village car, i.e only travelling small distances, as driven it a number of times in Tasmania via RACT hotel in Hobart. Wife does not like the thinness of the doors etc, but what else can you do to keep the weight down. Once you get used to the throttle and regenerative braking you can easily manage the battery. Think of it as a 50cc moped of the car world and you can see why it is a village car.

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:45
      -1

      Basically the reports CE sell you indicate what x car sold for, so you can go straight to the dealer and tell them, 'this is what car x sold for, i want this price.

      • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2022 - 13:51

        Well that report says the rrp is $49,990, but the link to deal is $53,515, so.pethaps they won't honour. In order to get the average some cars must have sold for less than $44,716, so would be handy to know the cheapest it went for.

    • MaxHashrate on 26/08/2022 - 13:57

      Maybe consider a hyundai ioniq plug in hybrid. its enough battery for small commutes and when you want to do a big trip you can always go back to petrol.

      Plus hyundai is better than nissan atm imo. (only hyundai the last 5 years)

      • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2022 - 13:59

        In kooyong it's an EV or nothing. Hybrids still have ICE.

        • MaxHashrate on 26/08/2022 - 14:02

          toyota hybrids charge their battery while braking. these ones actually have a battery on board so you can be like a tesla for a good 50km-60km which is pretty much what most do daily.

          No need to deal with battery anxiety as you can just pump petrol when you need it.

          • [Deactivated] on 26/08/2022 - 18:18

            @MaxHashrate: Would be hung, drawn and quartered if we brought an ICE in Kooyong nowadays.

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