Nissan Leaf 40kWh: Average July 2022 Market Price $44,716 According to CarExpert Sold Price Report

SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:10
Last edited 26/08/2022 - 14:52 by 4 other users

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Recently Car Expert produced this report to showcase cars that are selling at a discount, despite the disruptions currently in the supply chain. Of course, there are headline cars like the BMW M8 Competition which can be had with a near $80,000 discount, but lets be honest, most OzBargainers cannot afford a $350,000+ car, so the real headline is the Nissan Leaf, an electric car that

  • Built in Japan
  • Has a great build quality
  • Has a decent inner city\suburban range
  • Priced reasonably

Every state has different stamp duty charges, in Vic it would be $44,716 + $1,881.60 = $46,597.60 driveaway.

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Comments

  • MaxHashrate on 26/08/2022 - 13:16
    +53

    In terms of electric cars, i don't think the Chinese are that far off… i mean Tesla is already sourcing blade batteries from BYD.

    • zoner on 26/08/2022 - 13:27
      +12

      True, just the importer that is changing the warranty and service cost to squeeze more money out of the green momentum.

    • Herbse on 26/08/2022 - 13:35
      +4

      But, china bad?

      • JeBs on 26/08/2022 - 14:09
        +4

        Calling goods from China as “bad” with no meaningful justification, is incredibly racist. But then again, Australia is known to be racist country, so attitudes as such are of no surprise to most.

        • Dsiee on 26/08/2022 - 14:17
          +1

          Yep, plus a lot of Australian made stuff is shit and poorly designed. The only reason they sell or stay on business is because of racist patriots

          • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 14:21
            +11

            @Dsiee: Exactly
            InB4 BuT OuR CaR INduSTrY WaS DestROyed By ChINa

            No, our car industry destroyed itself.
            Ford and holden outsourced production because it was cheaper, then people stopped buying them because of crap reliability.
            Cruze, Equinox, Captiva.

            • Hackney on 27/08/2022 - 08:06

              @Drakesy: Equinox was fine.The other two, not so much.

            • xdigger on 09/09/2022 - 11:11

              @Drakesy: I think the USA aka Ford destroyed the local Holden brand by closing all their Holden auto factories in Australia. Chyna blame is prevalent in western and local media but yeah, check your facts mate.

              • Drakesy on 09/09/2022 - 11:39

                @xdigger: The blame was placed on…

                "the sustained strength of the Australian dollar, high cost of production, small domestic market and arguably the most competitive and fragmented auto market in the world"

                In short, Holden and Ford in Australia were large, slow to innovate, and eventually unreliable car brands that lost their direction and blamed everyone else for it. Just look at them now, Asian countries have picked up the slack and are now churning out Fords left right and centre. Holden just didn't pivot.

          • MaxHashrate on 26/08/2022 - 14:22
            +5

            @Dsiee: If you make nothing then no one can criticize your products as bad. Big brain Australia.

        • lancesta on 26/08/2022 - 14:24
          +8

          There's so many issues/topics to discuss that get packaged with the racism label and definitely for good reason. But I think it's important to try and seperate issues.

          Politicians have been drumming it up a lot too. They are the worlds biggest manufacturer and they're really pushing into R&D and I'd say they've got both shit and excellent quality items.

          Our blatant reliance on any country is imo something to be careful off. Foreign ownership of vital assets/utilities (not only defence related) imo is bad whether it's US, China, Italy or even NZ Owned (okay maybe NZ gets an exception?).

          Immigration is another thing. Employers want cheap workers due to a "Labor shortage" which imo can cause wages to stagnate. It also adds to the population causing all sorts of "issues" like housing shortages, increased demand on water/electricity/roads. It's not something that can easily be discussed either. Without immigration our population would decrease slowly which I think is interesting in itself. I'm not anti immigration either by any stretch, just haven't heard a good discussion about it. Our food sector itself relies on people who are legally paid below minimum wage which I was pretty shocked to hear.

          We don't have the same exposure to languages as many other countries, and the area you live, courses you take, family and the school you go to e.c.t can dictate how much exposure you actually get. I personally reckon exposure to others, particularly in a positive environment (aka not as a police officer in a rural area/watching crimes shows in tv) is the biggest racism killer.

        • roller on 26/08/2022 - 14:50
          +1

          It’s not necessarily racist to generalise good from a particular as being poorer. Industrialisation is an evolving process and countries compete in different ways through that period of evolution. In the earlier stages it’s typically using price as a lead advantage leveraging the lower cost of inexperienced workers and sacrificing quality. We’ve seen it from Taiwan, Japan and Korea. Now we consider all of those nations to be the pinnacle of quality for most products putting them far ahead of local or western products. So it can be a general matter of fact without being racist. China is very very close to the summit though and many of their products are also the pinnacle of quality but this doesn’t yet pervade through most Chinese brands.

        • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 15:00
          +17

          But then again, Australia is known to be racist country, so attitudes as such are of no surprise to most.

          The only people who think Australia is exceptional in this regard are those that haven't traveled…

        • PatoriaN on 26/08/2022 - 17:25
          -3

          Calling Australia racist is racist.

        • Eeples on 30/08/2022 - 23:51

          Mmmm tell me a non racist country.

          • tonyjzx on 10/09/2022 - 18:00

            @Eeples: I dont know how people can even argue it here. Just mention "china car" and see how many who openly start ranting… I dont even necessarily disagree.. a car is a big purchase and it says a lot to some about their personal identity (which is a shame IMO) and to not want $xx,xxx going to a China company is a fair decision… but hey… I do love my iphone…

    • duodeta on 26/08/2022 - 13:37
      +3

      Very true. In RV industry Chinese brands are advanced. 100% of batteries are made in China.

    • howaaronic on 26/08/2022 - 13:50
      +3

      Considering that China produces 79% of the world's li-ion batteries, they're probably leading the industry. Pretty sure most of the electric buses in California are BYD.

      • Michael1983 on 26/08/2022 - 14:17
        -4

        And soon Russia and China will get lithium ore mines operating in Afghanistan. Good for employment and economy of Afganistan recovering from USA tyranny.

        • Circly on 26/08/2022 - 14:21
          +7

          Yeah really great for Afghan women hey

          • Michael1983 on 26/08/2022 - 15:19
            +3

            @Circly: Can be the same as with women in Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE. But no one will talk about them on ABC News probably. Guess why?

        • Nom on 26/08/2022 - 20:22
          +6

          Afganistan recovering from USA tyranny.

          Just to be clear : You think the tyranny of The Taliban is a "recovery" ?

    • elitistphoenix on 26/08/2022 - 13:18
      +25

      With that profile pic… Quality stuff.

      • duodeta on 26/08/2022 - 13:38
        +1

        His selfie.

        • alidli on 26/08/2022 - 13:44

          His neighbour.

    • protecon on 26/08/2022 - 13:20
      +31

      China is a Country, not a race?

      • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 13:48
        +5

        China is a Country, not a race?

        Didn't you know that 'racist' now means 'has a different opinion to me'…

        Everyone I don't like is literally Hitler :)

    • BargainsGrabber on 26/08/2022 - 13:24
      +7

      Inappropriate uses of negative vote

      An issue with the poster:
      Disliking their avatar.
      Disliking their comments or description.
      Disliking their username.

      Your neg is an inappropriate use of it mate

      • elitistphoenix on 26/08/2022 - 13:29
        +3

        "Disliking their avatar"… what is with the moustache in yours?

    • steff on 26/08/2022 - 13:28
      +1

      cherry picking much? Where was your soapbox when people here prefer:

      Eneloops/Ladda made in Japan instead of China?
      Brita filters made in UK instead of China?
      Fiskars made in Sweden instead of China?
      Stanley made in Denmark instead of China?

      • RichDad PoorSon on 26/08/2022 - 13:34
        +2

        Country of Origin should not matter.
        sad thing is people will take "not made in China" as, oh it must be of good value.
        but imagine if you see a BMW ad that's said "not made in Germany" <— does it mean anything? probably no. Would people still buy it? probably yes. the description of "not made in Germany" doesnt mean shite.

        and no I'm not even Chinese.

        • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 26/08/2022 - 13:37
          +5

          Big difference between made under contract, to spec, in China, and made by Chinese companies, all of which are influenced by the CCP to some degree.

        • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 13:52
          +1

          Country of Origin should not matter.

          It absolutely should, especially if the government that runs that country is an autocratic and tyrannical regime and you care about human rights.

          • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 14:24

            @1st-Amendment: Have you not realised how many of your things come out of china?
            You can't not support them.

            • 1st-Amendment on 26/08/2022 - 14:32
              +2

              @Drakesy:

              You can't not support them.

              Imagine a colour inbetween black and white… let's call it 'grey'. Now imagine there are lots shades of grey…

    • JohnHowardsEyebrows on 26/08/2022 - 13:33
      -2

      Taiwan makes good stuff. PRC doesn't. Your race card is as ignorant as it is hysterical.

      • duodeta on 26/08/2022 - 13:41
        -3

        Your speech was totally ignorant, mate. Guessing your source of news or knowledge is not correct. You never been somewhere or you dunt know that much but you like to judge and show off your ignorance to drag some attention from others. I G N O R A N T .

    • entropysbane on 26/08/2022 - 13:37
      +7

      Get back to me when China lifts its ban on Australian wine, beer, beef,wool, milk, coal et etc.

      It is hard enough not buying stuff without Chinese components, but car brands are a bridge too far for me. I look askance people driving an MG etc. at leas until Xi stops the petulant bans.

    • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 13:19
      +47

      The ghost of Scomo lives on.

    • Willy Beamish on 26/08/2022 - 13:28
      -5

      They really aren't good option for most of Australia.

      • samyall on 26/08/2022 - 13:47
        +4

        Do you mind explaining why you think that? What makes an electric car not a good option?

        • lancesta on 26/08/2022 - 14:30
          +1

          Not OP but being in the Hunter Valley (the largest coal export port in the world), I find it a bit funny I could actually drive to a coal mine for work every day in an EV. People typically take 1-1.5h each trip. Noticed most of the cars are utes, SUVs or little cars (often apprentices).

          I mean if that's workable with an EV, surely they can't be that useless.

          Total different story if you need your car to drive around the mine pit or whatever, but if you don't drive for work and only drive to work it's actually possible in an EV for I'd like to say 90% of jobs.

          The grid totally isn't ready for it and neither is my wallet but that's another issue in itself.

        • Binchicken22 on 26/08/2022 - 14:37
          +3

          I don't think they are necessarily a bad option, as in, they aren't fit for for purpose, because yes most people aren't going to need more than the 250km range this provides on a regular basis (though it's a PITA when you do need it).

          However I do think the economics still doesn't actually add up yet, this leaf is say $46,600 drive away, a comparable (though better imo) ICE car would be the Kia Cerato, they are advertised for $27,490 drive away on Kia's website (maybe you could do better once you are ready to sign on the dotted line at the dealership, I don't know). That's a $19,110 premium for the EV.

          The Kia uses combined, 7L/100kms, so if the average person drives 15,000kms per year that's $1732 worth of fuel per year @ an average price of $1.65 per litre (7-11 best price right now is $1.485). Let's add in $400 per year of "extra" servicing an ICE car needs over an EV, so total $2132 per year for the ICE. With the $19,110 premium that's 9 years before the "break even" point, and that is assuming you are somehow paying "nothing" to fuel your EV, hint; even if you have solar it's costing you to charge your EV as you are losing feed in tariff at a minimum and at worst, you aren't always going to be able to charge while the sun is shining. It also assumes you don't live in a state that either has, or is planning to implement a per km usage charge in the next 10 years for EVs.

          So I think realistically the "break even point", even for the cheapest of EVs like this one, is more than a decade.

          Sometimes it's not all as simple as "fuel expensive, EV not need fuel, this good".

          • samyall on 26/08/2022 - 15:15
            +1

            @Binchicken22: Interesting. Thanks for the write-up. I assumed the OP was referring to the range and charging issues and not total cost of ownership.

            It does seem that it economically doesn't make sense yet but that will change in time I am sure as more second hand EVs enter the market.

        • Willy Beamish on 26/08/2022 - 16:01
          -1

          I take it you're someone that lives close to a city and barely goes outside a 10km radius of your home if you need to ask that….

          • ihfree on 26/08/2022 - 16:19

            @Willy Beamish: You can do a decent day trip with a 200-270km range. Seems perfectly fine for the most Australians but maybe not the most of Australia.

          • samyall on 29/08/2022 - 09:11

            @Willy Beamish: Yep live in a city and don't own a car - get around on bike/PT.

            I think I am more rule than exception though. How many Aussies really travel more than 50 km from their home regularly?

            Saying most people can't go electric because they do two road trips per year doesn't make any sense. Buy the car you'll use every day and rent the car you'll use once every few months.

      • ruprectaus on 26/08/2022 - 22:39

        I agree, 80% of our trips are under 10km, so and ebike would be a better option for the majority based on that (no not all). Cheaper TCO, close to as fast, hills are non consequential with an ebike and a move to more people on them would see facilities and infrastructure improve The occasional trip in the car can be done with a shared ecar. Utrecht is moving this way as one example as shown in this video

        https://youtu.be/7sGy4kS9T2w

        I sold my car 18 months ago, no regrets, just a smile when I pass the servo.

    • next gen on 26/08/2022 - 13:28

      They have their place. Not a complete replacement yet. But neither were cars vs the horse initially.

    • joelmuzz on 26/08/2022 - 13:45
      +3

      The capital city's are as high density as anywhere, the average is something like 30km a day and that's even lower for small hatchback styles.

      Most cars will never do an interstate drive and even when the situation comes up you can always get a rental car.
      Actually better economy to put 2000km weekend onto the $50 a day rental Corolla than your own car.

      • pulpfiction on 26/08/2022 - 13:54
        +1

        Agree. Such a nonsensical argument. “How would you go driving from Melbourne to Sydney?” What, for the exactly zero times in my life I’ve done this?

        • maverickjohn on 26/08/2022 - 14:23

          I think it's still reasonable to say it's not for everyone. We do regional trips and could never rely solely on an electrical car.
          If it was a second car that would be ok.
          I do hope infrastructure would expand to regional areas and charging batteries would hasten.
          At that point it would be seen as something that would be ok by everyone.
          We will get there but it's still early in its infrastructure and engineering

        • freefall101 on 26/08/2022 - 14:26
          +1

          What if there's a bargain in Newcastle and I'm stuck here in Melbourne???

          Feels like the "I need a 4WD to drive the kids to school on the off chance I need to go offroad one day".

          • DashCam AKA Rolts on 26/08/2022 - 14:31
            +3

            @freefall101: Feels like the "I need a 4WD to drive the kids to school on the off chance I need to go offroad drive across the pine-bark in the garden one day".

    • JIMB0 on 26/08/2022 - 13:54
      +2

      I'm sticking with my horse and buggy. At least I can find food and water for my horse almost anywhere, unlike petrol and electricity.

    • WhiteEvo6 on 26/08/2022 - 14:16
      +1

      Requiring Sunscreen with SPF 1,000,000 to go outside because we keep using fossil fuels also not a great option in Australia if we don't stop using ICE cars/trucks

    • ihfree on 26/08/2022 - 14:36

      Why? Do tell more.

      What is a good option in Australia? American style trucks endorsed by Dutton?

  • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 13:18
    +34

    Lower range than a BYD
    Less warranty than a BYD
    Smaller battery than a BYD
    Same price as a BYD
    Same if not sub par interior compared to BYD

    Other than the Japanese card what does this have going for it?

    • BargainMe on 26/08/2022 - 13:26
      +23

      Cheaper servicing than a BYD

      • zoner on 26/08/2022 - 13:29
        +4

        EVdirect changed all the costing and warranties last week, it's now less attractive

        • tonyjzx on 10/09/2022 - 18:02

          also has nissan worked out battery cooling heating yet??? also trust nissan to be one of the first with an EV but somehow made it vastly unappealing… and even… old fashioned… they're such idiots.

    • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:30
      +24

      Servicing is cheaper than the BYDs
      Unlike an Atto, it doesn't look like a noddy car
      Interior actually looks normal, unlike the hideous Atto 3
      Has V2L technology
      Its not build by authoritarian dictatorship

        • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:35
          +25

          doesn't mean we should relinquish our resources, money and sovereignty to them (I include the USA in this statement also)

          • lyykiller on 26/08/2022 - 13:46
            +1

            @SupeNintendoChalmers: You know what is funny? Australia is making a lot of money from China.

            • 123buyer on 26/08/2022 - 13:49

              @lyykiller: China is making a lot of money from the world.

              • lyykiller on 26/08/2022 - 13:51
                +3

                @123buyer: I agree, but still no matter how much money China is making from the whole world, Australia has been making a lot of money from China.

            • SupeNintendoChalmers on 26/08/2022 - 13:57
              +4

              @lyykiller:

              You know what is funny? Australia is making a lot of money from China.

              So I see digging up our minerals for others and not manufacturing high value products is a surefire way for long term prosperity?

              Straya, the clever country.

              • lancesta on 26/08/2022 - 14:36

                @SupeNintendoChalmers: We're lucky af, but through no good action of our own.

                Like right as we're stumbling down into recession, with no real good plans for green energy and an expectation that we'll fall behind. Suddenly, the fossil fuel prices skyrocket. Sure we don't see much of that profit but honestly wonder what we could do with better policies.

                Sick of hearing about defence spending too, they cared about defence at all we'd be refining our own oil (if we had no fuel due to blocked imports, our abundance of food couldn't be harvested and transported to the cities). We closed a lot of our steel works and lots of other manufacturing. I'm not sure how long we could actually go just off our own stuff, even though we like to think we're somewhat self sufficient (and we are tbh).

              • ihfree on 26/08/2022 - 14:44
                +2

                @SupeNintendoChalmers: * the lucky country

                "Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise."

          • alz on 26/08/2022 - 13:47
            +2

            @SupeNintendoChalmers: I agree with your USA assessment.

        • entropysbane on 26/08/2022 - 13:38
          +1

          Does that mean it is no longer entitled to developing country status?
          Cool. How are they really doing with greenhouse gas emission reduction?

        • 123buyer on 26/08/2022 - 13:47

          A super power might be evil.

        • shabaka on 26/08/2022 - 14:09
          +2

          china is a superpower because it treats its own people like shite?

      • duodeta on 26/08/2022 - 13:46

        It’s a budget or low class EV. Mate. Can you change your hideous selfie profile photo? Please

      • May4th on 26/08/2022 - 14:04
        +1

        i don't know looks are pretty subjective and i think the leaf is a hideous car (one of the few things my wife and i agree on). atto3 has a more attractive styling the rear is a bit weird. this is a micro car size vs SUV so you are already looking at a significantly more expensive car on the leaf like for like. BYD also has V2L

      • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 14:16

        BYD also has V2L

        Servicing is cheaper than the BYD

        Marginally, not enough to make up for the worse specs imho.

        Unlike an Atto, it doesn't look like a noddy car

        I'd debate that the Atto looks better than the Nissan.

        Its not build by authoritarian dictatorship

        BYD isn't state owned.

      • taki on 27/08/2022 - 00:29
        +1

        Servicing should be compared in real life. Too early - the importers are thinking profit 1st but will change after feedback.
        Noddy & norma is personal - Functionality 1st.
        V2L coming very soon.
        Dictatorship is Western stereotype (blame others so you feel better) - the US is dictated by money, China by meritocracy (no 1 else to blame for their mistakes & people like them more ;)

        Critical thinking before stereotyping please

      • payless69 on 06/09/2022 - 09:35

        Nissan is unlikely to survive the changeover.
        Nice try, test drove one over 100km was a good attempt with good intentions but by now left in the "nokia" infancy!

        • SupeNintendoChalmers on 06/09/2022 - 09:39

          Doubt the Japanese government will ever let a company as iconic as Nissan fail.

          • payless69 on 06/09/2022 - 09:42

            @SupeNintendoChalmers: Just like Sharp: Once a super great company. Now owned by Hon Hai, in Taiwan oh hell forbidden to say it is in Chinese Taipei!!!
            Panasonic gone from oz,
            Hey try to buy a Patrol in diesel! Since Renault had to help the Patrol went Petrol!

    • railspider on 26/08/2022 - 13:30
      +2

      I can buy this now but I can't get a BYD until next year at the earliest?

      • Drakesy on 26/08/2022 - 15:31
        +1

        Just goes to show which car is better doesn't it.
        Money talks.

    • beach bum on 26/08/2022 - 13:37
      +1

      No ongoing petrol costs .

    • slowmo on 26/08/2022 - 13:39

      if you really dislike 3 letter brands :P

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