First post, just picked up a 500w Black and Decker hammer drill from Coles on clearance for $19.99.
Catch and Mitre10 have these listed online for $59 so it seems like a good price.
Model no. BEH200
Link to the B&D website https://www.blackanddecker.com.au/product/beh200-xe/500w-cor…
I got this one from Mango Hill in Qld
tough crowd
I find hammer drills useless, an SDS is far better at getting through tough material like concrete or brick.
But $20 is a cheap drill and B&D aren't usually too bad, if you need a drill for drilling, just don't expect the hammer action to do any hard work in hard material.
Different purpose?
Agree better off picking up a second hand Ryobi SDS at cashies/gumtree/marketplace
You're probably doing it wrong if you find hammer drills useless.
My trusty twenty year old bosch green corded hammer drill works great in concrete and hard brick. Did 50 x 10mm 50mm deep holes in concrete in less than a hour. 6-8mm in brick is like drilling butter with the right masonary bits.
That's impressive for its age but slow compared to an SDS.
I've also got old Bosch drills and one is a hammer and it's been set to drill function only for 15-20 years since I got my first SDS.
My Hilti SDS will make 50 10mm holes in concrete (usually for Dynabolts) in 5 minutes. My hammer will take abs hour and the drill will be hot, damaging it, the bit will be knackered and I'll be frustrated and fatigued.
Any cheap Ozito or Ryobi SDS will match my Hilti in performance but will not do hard work for as long whilst remaining reliable. That's professional vs consumer quality as expected.
Gotta call BS on that claim.
6 secs per hole and continous for 50 holes. NO Way with any accuracy and moving between holes.
Yes, SDS is faster, better, more expensive etc. But hammer drills are not useless and work very well for experienced users in the real world that also have move about and do it accurately.
@BBF: A job I did very recently was to drill holes for Dynabolts into concrete to fix steel frame walls to.
All the steel frame had holes pre drilled in it as usual, I just had to drill 10mm holes in the slab about 1-2 inches deep, someone followed me with Dynabolts a hammer and an impact to fit them off.
Give or take 1 min, I drilled about 50 holes all together in about 5 minutes.
Good bits and a proper professional SDS will achieve this no problem. If you doubt your claim checkout some speedruns tradies crazier than I will do for sh!ts and giggles.
An old hammer drill isn't dead yet, but isn't even vaguely in the same league as an SDS/max.
Really depends on the material. I have drilled into concrete and brick plenty of times.
Recently needed to drill into our old redbrick house. It took ages, gave up on the cordless and brought out the big corded ~800w Ryobi, still took ages.
Grabbed a Ryobi SDS in a recent deal for $89 and the difference was night and day. Took literally seconds to do holes in the same brick.
As someone that previously worked for Stanley Black & Decker's warranty department, keep your receipt for warranty purposes.
All returns go back to store within the warranty period (2 years, If memory serves). They're a replacement warranty if memory serves, if they're no longer in-stock then they're required to give you your money back
Should be a rule of thumb to keep your receipt but trust me it ain't with most people.
Australian law overrides the manufacturers warranty. If major fault or unable to be repaired in a reasonable time (eg. on site) the seller Coles is required to give you your money back if you request it. It is Coles problem to deal with Black and Decker not yours.
I'm only quoting the manufacturers warranty from my time at the company. This is also on their website as per the hyperlink.
It is, also, a good idea to photograph your receipts and keep a backup.
Saw this in Coles today.
+1 for quality post. No crap. Cheers.
I feel like these are reskinned generic hammer drills. Unless anyone clarify ?
Once you get used to cordless drills, it is VERY painful to go back to one, even if it's this cheap. It's ok for the occasional work for those who rarely use one I suppose, or as a first venture into a hammer drill, but cordless is the ultimate convenience.
Yup that's Pretty much why I purchased it. Just need one to mount a hose reel to some bricks but other than that, have very little purpose for one
Once you get used to paying out the wazoo for tools you wonder why someone would spend $20 for a tool
100% disagree. Cordless are a pain in the a___.
I began buying cordless tools years ago. Every time I wanted to use one it was flat, so had to be charged a couple of hours first, which delayed everything that day so I'd have to wait or change everything around and do it tomorrow. And I've never had a cordless tool that had batteries which didn't soon lose capacity meaning they're flat again minutes after charging if you have to do more than drill a few holes/put a few screws in.
Then there's other problems like not being powerful enough to drive a screw home without doing everything twice first by drilling a hole. Which drains the battery faster, which needs charging again. Then there's chargers failing. Then there's battery packs changing shape over the years so they no longer supply ones that fit their old tools. Then new cordless tools cost close to the same price as a new battery. Then to get multiple batteries you have to buy the same one or two brands. Which means you have to either pay full price for tools, or wait and wait and wait… for each type of tool to come on sale (if it ever does) - which means you wind up paying several times more than necessary.
So after a few cordless tools, or their battery, or their charger, failing… I started to buy corded tools again when I saw them on sale. Who cares about brand now with no batteries to worry about. Makita, Bosch, Hitachi… And I threw away the cordless ones because the manufacturer stopped making the battery shape, or again, it being cheaper to buy a whole new tool than a new battery.
10, 15, 20, 25 years later I still own 99.9% of the corded tools I've bought (I burned out the motor in an angle grinder once). No batteries to charge, replace, no dead chargers to replace, any/all of which leads to buying new cordless tools every few years. Buy right once.
Fling an extension cord over a garage roof joist, or over a clothesline (with table underneath to work on), or even a rope tied to the fence across the yard to have no cords in the way but have full powered tools that always ready to use and last at least several times what cordless ones will (but more likely close to a lifetime). Use them every day, for years, and you might eventually need to replace a $6 set of brushes.
The only people cordless tools make sense for are tradesmen/builders… people working on unpowered sites or working at heights constantly, who buy a dozen batteries and charge them each day after work, once, who don't need to leave them on trickle charge to be ready to use. The "inconvenience" of a cord for a few minutes, even if used every day, cannot outweigh all the negatives I've experienced from owning cordless.
@Faulty P xel I think the key here is to not cheap out and just get one battery. I have at least 2 batteries and I ensure that one is fully charged and they last a long time per charge. I've never had one lose their charge or die on me yet, and I've had mine for a few years now. And if you think I've had the big brand ones, nope, I've only used Worx (Aldi brand) and Ozito, 2 of the cheapest brands you can find, but I've pretty much done my whole house renos on them without any dramas. The batteries last and last, and keep going, sometimes surprising me even. And people think due to the cheap price, they're no good for drilling concrete etc, but that's complete rubbish. I've used them to drill concrete, slap on to grinders, line mowers etc, and they take forever to run out of juice.
Maybe you've had some defective ones or have operated them on extreme temperatures or conditions, cos I have nothing but great experience with my cordless tools. I won't even consider corded these days.
Yeah i barely ever pull the old corded drill out these days (with the exception of the Rotary SDS).
Cordless drill, impact driver, and recip saw get used all the time. Recently picked up a cordless circular saw, orbital sander, grinder and multi tool. I have all those in corded versions but the battery versions are so much more convenient. I find i get things dont rather than putting them off because the corded are a PITA to set up and use.
Nice, for that price I don't mind if it takes a min to drill concrete
Will take a lot longer than a minute.
I have a 600w hammer drill which takes 10 seconds, so I guess this will do the job
Depends on how hard the concrete is, either of you may be correct.
I haven't used my corded one in aaaages, but like the idea of a cheap decent cordless around for the 1 day minor work.. any recommendations lads? Ta
Wait for ozito PXC drill/driver combo to go on special again.
At what price then? Cheers cox
Drill/driver combo kit semi-regularly goes on special for $99.
Recently the brushless hammer drill kit with 2.5Ah battery went on special for $88.
https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-pxc-18v-compact-drill-and-…
You could go drill only XU1 drill only for half the price but the PXC has deals for other skins pop up often. Impact driver is also super handy.
The best cordless tool for occasional work… is a corded tool.
This looks exactly the same as the "MAC Master" corded hammer drill I bought from KMart >10 years ago.
I have installed 4 safes with this (not recommended) and hung many pictures and hose reels in brick walls (no problems.)
Still going strong.
$30 at Colonnades (SA)
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Didn't need one. Got one anyway.
Well all the food shelves are empty … lets stock drills. makes sense.
Hey, which store did you purchase it from ?