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Amazon US dropped the price on 5800x as we get closer to the new gen launch
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X CPU without Cooler $409.10 Delivered @ Amazon US via AU
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Note the 7000 series was announced today.
Will be released in Australia on Sep 27th.
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X – $299 USD (~$443 AUD)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X – $399 USD (~$578 AUD)
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X – $549 USD (~$796 AUD)
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X – $699 USD (~1,013 AUD)https://press-start.com.au/news/pcmac/2022/08/30/the-amd-ryz…
What was aus release prices of 5xxx? They should be the same
Found this. https://preview.redd.it/mq9uwkenejv51.png?width=658&format=p…
They skipped 6000 series on desktop because of the mobile processors were released under that on Zen3 architecture for those playing at home.
5000 series mobile processors already had Zen3 and Zen2+. 6000 mobile was more "Zen3+", 6nm instead of 7nm.
Anyway, as soon as Zen2+ was called 5000 it was clear they weren't trying to actually make the architecture be inline across categories with numbering and were just going the next series up for launches.
They haven't skipped it, 6000 desktop series will be energy efficient Zen 3+/RDNA2 APUs coming in 2023 (or, according to AMD, whenever there is supply of cheap DDR5 RAM to support it). It'll go into AM5 sockets too.
I'd just note, this is useful for anyone building a new rig and not upgrading an AM4 rig… i would take into consideration the full cost including boards (when pricing is listed) and DDR5 which is slightly cheaper these days but probably won't be at DDR4 prices for a while.
The higher TDP requirement, potential PCIe gen 5 support, PCIe gen 4 support more or less essential (though I guess M/B makers could still get away with PCIe gen 3 perhaps for low end).
Then, there is how much you believe in AM5 platform will be long term (whether you go for a high end board that can split PCIe gen 5 x16 slot) and USB 4.
Those AU price estimates don't have tax applied, so you're looking at almost $500 for the 7600X, though overall I would expect it to be better than the 5800X, possibly matching it in multicore for the most part.
But yeah, don't pay full retail, and if you're on AM4 and not looking past 8-core, wait for a Ryzen 5800X3D or 5700X price drop.
The part I still don't get is why an upgrade to 5700X or 5800X3D is so compelling to people? What are people upgrading it from, with which motherboard chipset? If it is not B550 or X570, then is it really worthwhile upgrading just the CPU? If it is B550, chances are we are looking at someone with already a reasonably decent CPU.
The new 7000 series now has iGPU, even though it is weak, if it is not for gaming, it is useable.
The fundamental issue with AM4 is that the last 2 chipsets B550 and X570 are best suited for Ryzen 3000 and 5000 series CPUs and when you really look at it, you get at best 2 generations of CPUs (same as Intel). Yes, you can use B450 with Ryzen 5000 series CPU, but AMD locked you out of I/Os. As for gaming, is that kind of improvement worth it? Upgrading CPU for gaming doesn't have the same level of impact compared to upgrading the GPU. Also, people happened to play games where the frame rates are just below 60, 120 or 240 fps and want the potential CPU boost to get over the issue?
You still get PCIE 4 on the first m.2 slot, no? That's the most pressing concern.
The only GPU I'd worried about on PCIE 3.0 16x is the 4090, or more likely the full AD102, but we'll see what impact DirectStorage has some time next year.
There are a lot of mainstream games that are bandwidth bottlenecked on the CPU side, and increasing cache hit rate is massive for them. UE5 is a big example of this right now, though again I am unsure if DirectStorage will alleviate this, along with engine optimisations.
I think you'll find that Zen 3D has use cases where even Zen 4 can't quite compete despite DDR5 due to bandwidth vs cache vs latency.
Key point here is that the 5800X3D at a much more modest price is going to carry an existing system all the way through to 2024 for the vast majority of users that would be looking for gaming performance.
I'd expect it to be hitting $400 soon enough, and that puts it at the board-related costs for Zen 4, let alone the CPU itself.
Hoping now that 7000 series was announced that a decent deal will come up for the 5800X3D!
Yeah I kinda canceled… want 5900x instead
Same, waiting for the 5800X3D to hit this price then I'll bite. My 5600x is doing fine at the moment. Not that it'll make much difference to my frame rates since I have a 3080 GPU with a 4K 144Hz monitor.
While your average fps might not increase much with the 5800x3d you should see an increase on minimums and 1% lows.
Okay cool, good to know that I'll see some sort of benefit as far as gaming goes
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from the AMD event does anyone else think the 7600x will match the 5800x3d performance?
Said the 7600 beats the 12900k. Atleast according to them.
the 5800x3d is on average 5-10% faster thah the 12900k so thats why im wondering
If you really care about gaming, especially on 1080p, then perhaps think about 5800x3d. However, honestly, with the final hint from Lisa, the next wave of GPUs are coming. There will also be x3d version of 7000 series CPUs.
If you are eyeing for 7600x, I really don't think 5800x3d is a good idea for you.
@netsurfer: Will depend on what you're upgrading from and how much you have to spend.
If you already have a current AM4 mobo then the 5800x3d makes much more sense of an upgrade then a whole platform upgrade to AM5, also the x3d is far less dependent on good/high clock speed memory.@Neggy-Z: That's AMD marketing and excuse we make up for getting a new toy. It doesn't apply to everyone. I have a 8 cores 16 thread CPU so why is 5800x3d such a "great" upgrade (especially I don't care about 1080p gaming and prefer gaming at higher res)? AMD also had some real nerve to sell 5800x3d at that RRP.
What AMD did to AM4 platform was shrewd towards the end. Blocking B350, B450, X470 from PCIe gen 4 and having users suffered with those chipsets doing PCIe gen 2 only, honestly, doesn't feel so nice that warrant a CPU upgrade. If you have a B550 or X570, chances are you have a CPU that's decent enough.
It was really annoying that I bought a PCIe x4 gen 3 USB 3.2 gen 2x2 card and then realised it cannot be used on a B450's PCIe x4 slot. Had to use it on an Intel PC with older CPU. The second m.2 slot is PCIe gen 2 only. Put 5800x3d on a B450? Well, certainly would be a toy upgrade.
Building a rig from scratch. Don't think I can justify 7xxx over 5xxx especially with body considerations of MOBO and DDR5.
Im building a brand new one from scratch aswell, going all out to futureproof. 7950x with 4090. Itll pay off in time. DDR5 prices are coming down. You can get a cheap B650 motherboard if you want.
going all out to futureproof. 7950x with 4090. Itll pay off in time
Future proofing almost never pays off unless the cost to future proof is low. Probably far better off to get a 7700X + 4060/4070 then upgrade in a couple years and you end up with a faster system in the long run.
At least wait a bit. Honestly, the boards which really harness 5xxx series aren't cheap (yet). If you want to just build a cost effective PC, then low cost AM4 is fine I guess. Make sure you are okay with just 1 PCIe gen 4 SSD if you go low end AM4 motherboard.
Also, I am not impressed with the way some board makers (and AMD) dealt with the CPU TPM Windows 11 stutter issue. Sure, the AGESA update for that fix is out, but quite a few M/Bs have them as "beta" BIOS. Come on, we are moving to the next gen now. That said, if AM4 platform is like that, AM5 will most likely be the same all over again (more AGESA updates later on to patch things).
Exactly. I would wait at least 12 months for AGESA updates to fix any issues, and for DDR5 to come down in price (I expect prices will go up for a little while following the AM5 release). Mobos will also probably be selling at an early-adopter premium as well.
Meh, just ride out w10 on am4 till 2025 or whatever it is. W11 has no difference other than minor UI changes (some of which I are worse), bad software bugs and performance uplifts for P/E core stuff (irrelevant for AMD).
It's about Secure Boot and how that now impacts BIOS defaults on newer boards. That's a potential issue for people wanting to go AM5 could encounter (BIOS default to Secure Boot ready setting for Windows 11, rather than backward compatible to boot every weird combination of hardware). If they have everything brand new, then not going to encounter issue. Some old graphics card could cause problems (if you want DisplayPort with high refresh rate).
Sure, by 2025, your monitor, graphics card will be new enough not to cause any issue. TPM glitches will be gone by them.
With boards having multiple SATA ports and m.2 slots, newer board having smarts to disable ports temporary in BIOS, ease of installing Windows 10 and 11, one could easily dual boot. I am doing Windows 10, Windows 10, Windows 11, Windows 11 on 4 SSDs combination. If one of the SSDs went #!@#!@#, I can easily switch to its backup (can still throw in more SSDs to do linux later). It's a PC, so might as well utilise it.
I wonder if we'll get a sub 200 5600?
Any thoughts on:
Option A - 5600G + B550M + DDR4 now, then buy a DDR5-6400/7200 system in 2025 or so when the price of DDR5 is low. 5600G turns into media PC.
Option B - 13400 or similar + DDR4/5 at the end of 2023.Currently running a Haswell 4770 lol
Option B, because Option A is not quite ideal due to you lose PCIe gen 4 support (5600G supports up to PCIe gen 3 only).
Can't believe I thought $470 was a deal for the 3700x when I got it.
THIS is a deal.