Mate had an accident over the weekend.Can someone advise on who’s at fault? The dash cam car or the other party. He’s claiming the bus blocked his view.
His claim: “As evident from the footage, I was exiting the mall, with a bus parked to my right . I slowed nearing the exit. The other party was speeding , changed her lane just past the bus, without even having the indicators on.”
Car Accident over The Weekend
Poll Options
- 497Dashcam car
- 10The other party
Comments
Who pulls blindly without care onto the road lucky "your mate" didn't kill a cyclist or bike rider
Interesting, your mate gave you a video footage to put on ozb and you create a account just for your friend 😉
So, of all the questions and comments in this thread that need answers, you picked this one to reply to. Well done champ.
Nice burner account bro
How to make burner on Ozb?
The bus stop just in front of the exit was a really bad idea. I doubt this was the first accident there.
Did you check the street view link above? While I agree having a bus stop there is not ideal, the bus bay is set back from the kerb line and allows the exiting (dashcam) driver to pull right up to the road to see what’s coming. In any case, if you can’t see, you shouldn’t be moving.
+1 for the title of the vid "LOL car go bang". -1 for the comment beneath it - WhO'z aT fAuLt??
Probably the person who can't use the Shift key on their keyboard. Sadly that's not an option in the poll, so I give my "at fault" vote to the dashcam person.
Busted!
The revisions never lie.
100% lack of due care and attention from the DC car.
Please get the lasik or cateract surgery before you run someone over, you appear to be legally blind as you missed a bright red SUV.aint it funny how when the tide of comments goes against OP's hopes, you never hear from them again lol
Why is there no poll option for both but mostly dash cam
It's an incorrect option, so no need for it.
If theres only one correct option why have a poll at all?
opops friend doesn't understand road rules.
LOL… ok, champ. Please, and use small words if you have to, tell us how you think the red car is in any way at fault in this situation… Please. Humor me.
Good thing you're not an insurance assessor Tleyx.
Clear cut case of failure to give way, and likely not doing their due diligence in checking before pulling out. The other driver had 100% right of way as they were already on Kiora Rd.
Obviously we don't know if the other driver didn't indicate but nor does the insurance company, so they have to act in accordance with the evidence they have and the road rules that apply, which suggests that ion5678 Cough I mean the 'mate' is at fault.
@Tleyx: Sure, refer to @pegaxs comment as he was nice enough to link the legislation article that also touches on this subject
(1) A driver entering a road from a road related area, or adjacent land, without traffic lights or a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line must give way to
(a) any vehicle travelling on the road or turning into the road (except a vehicle turning right into the road from a road related area or adjacent land), and
- The red car didn’t change lanes. Doesn’t matter even if they did, dash cam car still needs to give way (ARR#74)
- The red car didn’t need to indicate the whole time even if they were moving lanes. You only need to signal your intention to move lanes before you move lanes. (ARR#46)
- The red car was not speeding as worked out above.
- The dash cam car ran into their side, so what “due care” does the red car have? Here is a list of all traffic offences and associated fines for NSW. Please find the one that says “driving without due care”.
- There is absolutely no way that the red car contributed anything to this collision.
It is really frightening how wrong, and aggressively wrong people can be about right of way. That these people are on the road fully confident in their mistaken belief that they are driving correctly. I once encountered a driver who I almost t-boned as they were performing a U-turn. He pulled up next to me at the next light angry at why I honked, repeatedly yelling "There was no sign that said no u-turn".
1. You don't u-turn when there are cars coming
2. You don't u-turn after a blind corner
3. Double white lines…means no u-turn…It is somewhat comforting that the poll indicates a majority here have sense, but scary that some do not and could one day kill you on the road.
All you have to do is watch a few Dash Cam Australia or Scotty's Camera videos on Youtube and you will quickly lose faith in the driving ability of a lot of people on our roads. I have 2 dashcam videos from within the past 24 hours (one is an absolute doozy) that I'm debating whether I provide to one of them to feature in their video.
Also this is a another good example of how stupid people are on our roads.
I'm going to upload to DCOA
Unfortunately I can only watch those compilation videos every now and then. My anxiety goes through the roof.
- (QLD only?) U-turns are only permitted when "U-turn permitted" sign is there
This is only true at (for Qld)
"traffic lights
children's crossings
level crossings
marked foot crossings
pedestrian crossings"
Otherwise you can do them at intersections without traffic lights or at breaks in the centre island of the road as long as there is no sign forbidding it.
Drove into oncoming traffic. There's no exceptions if you can't see that traffic, you're supposed to slow down and prepare to stop just in case there is traffic.
Has the video link been removed?
Check the revision history…
Stupid people are everywhere including the roads. The other day I saw a van with the rear window completely blocked off and driving on the road. Wonder how the driver sees anything from the rear view mirror.
The same way truck drivers do.
Vans don’t need to be able to see via rear window. Just like trucks. They manage with side mirrors - although reverse cameras are often added now in place of the centre mirror.
Cool. I didn't know. I just thought that the way things were piled up in the van, it would have made it hard to see via the rvm.
It’s the same in a car. More than a few times I’ve had a load in the back of the car that makes using the mirror impossible. Try to avoid it, but there’s other mirrors.
Then there’s towing a caravan…
OP removed the video to get rid of evidence lol
Didn't remove it particularly well
MS Paint?
Theres 3 rules for Ozbargain accident posts.
1/ Provide mandatory MSPaint Diagram
2/ Provide mandatory MSPaint Diagram
3/ Provide mandatory MSPaint DiagramDriving along a road is stupid now? Pulling out of a driveway without looking properly - that’s stupid.
yes, unless red car was going to turn left in the nearby street
Yeah, how dare that red SUV drive legally on that road.
To help you out:
- The bus is in a bay. There's zero evidence that the red car changed lane at all apart from what
OPOP's friend states. - The
OPOP's friend also claims they slowed near the exit when they came blasting out like a moron. - Regardless of any lane changes, which almost certainly didn't happen anyway,
OPOP's friend has to give way when entering a road to EVERYTHING that is already on that road.
- The bus is in a bay. There's zero evidence that the red car changed lane at all apart from what
How could the SUV know there's cars coming out? He's just going straight on a road
try to stay a lane away from where cars enter roads
What?
try to stay a lane away from where cars enter roads especially when there's a stopped bus around
Yes, that is a good defensive move, but hard to do if you’re about to turn left. It’s also usually better to be in the left lane because there’s less blind spot on your right for cars overtaking.
Good thing op used his burner account.
No point replying anymore. He's gone.
he got burned
I want to keep roasting him
on a spit
Where's the video 'mate'?
Thanks for educating me 👍
for prosperity.
The only party getting rich off this are the panelbeaters!
who are the people that voted for the red car is in the wrong, they are a danger too
for prosperity.
LOL… so many autocorrect errors for me in the last few days… what I meant was "posterity". I really need to up my proof reading.
But yes, the only winners out of this are the panel beaters :D
I too often come to ozbargain to post all my friends worries and woes.
"Your mate" should watch the video to see how the vehicle in front of them handled the situation. They drove right up and paused while they checked if there was traffic. "Your mate" just kept on driving into the side of another vehicle.
Wow it's hard to believe this entertainment is free of charge and op is done and ghosted 😂
Bad drivers who think they are in the right omfg 😂
Morons
What makes the red SUV a bad driver? I got negged to oblivion for calling them risky
Didn't say red SUV was risky it was ops "mate" that pulled blindly into the unknown, red SUV was in the clear and had right of way
Entering a road like that you gotta give way to all traffic regardless. 100% dashcam owners fault.
Driving 101, don't proceed if you can't see. Causes a lot of accidents.
Lol 98% of the community think your “friend” is at fault
"Your mate" should proceed directly to the nearest licence shredder. FMD.
"friend" at fault.
If you can't see, best to take it slowly.
When all hope is lost, and straws are being grasped for - "BuT tHeY wOz SpEeDiNg"
This is genuinely embarrassing for OP and his "friend".
Lol yea definitely blame the stationary bus & other driver who was already on the road. They didn't even try to edge out, just drove straight into the side of the other car.
Maybe advise them to do some more driver training via NRMA etc. after paying their 'at fault' excess.
Can always rely on Ozb for a good L plater OP roasting.
Jeez. Just imagine if it was a motorcycle rider. Never pull out unless you can see what's coming.
"sorry" [you are dead]
On the contrary, OP 'mate's' dad should have pulled out and none of this would have happened, as a result Australian roads would have one less moronic driver putting people in harms way.
120% your mate's fault. The extra 20% is for being particularly sh*t at driving.
The only thing I can't fathom is what you expected to get out of this post? obviously your mate is a really bad driver, the only thing I can say is don't show the footage to the insurance people or he is guaranteed to be the losing party, really he probably should receive some driving offense tickets for that moronic act as well.
OP and his 'mate' are delusional and were hoping to receive reassurance that they aren't at fault - Little did they know this community isn't full of inept drivers
When I learnt to drive, my instructor told me that if I needed to merge to avoid an obstruction, I. E a bus pulled over or a parked car, I only need to indicate to enter the new lane, and if I return to the previously occupied lane due to having a past the obstruction, I didn't need to indicate.
Translated… indicate to partially pop over into new lane, than no indicators required to return to original lane.
This is incorrect. If you move from one lane or line of traffic to another, you must use your indicator. (Road Rules, Division 1, Change of Direction Signals, #44~51)
That being said, if you had to move suddenly to avoid hitting something, it would be fair defence to say that you only had enough time to react to the emergency and not enough time to indicate. But if by avoiding the obstruction you had to fully go into the next lane, you most certainly do have to give a change of direction signal to get back to your original lane, as you are moving from one lane/line of traffic to another as you are no longer avoiding an obstruction.
So, maybe they were right, but you got the signals arse about. Emergency avoidance, no indicator. Coming back to your original lane after a maneuver, need indicator.
Was your driving instructor ion5678's 'mate' by any chance?
C'mon Jubin, this is obviously your fault for blindly driving out onto the road lol.
Google links can give away more than people realise eh
How to make it less on Google??
Name means honourable/righteous
If its not visible - don't drive. While doing so, if someone honks - don't give a shit.
Your friend should have just taken the car a bit further and see if the road is clear. Rather than that, your friend wanted to follow the car in front.Your “friend” is an idiot and should stop driving altogether.
This video shows nothing other than the dashcam owner being a bad driver.Can the people that think the other car is at fault stay off the road please.
- DC car didn't even slow down before entering the road which suggests they didn't look the other way.
- The bus seems to be parked in its own lane and not the main road. I think the red car was already IN the lane and DC just didn't even look for oncoming traffic.
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Bus is in a bay. OP just had to slow down and look for traffic before turning. This is the basics that you need to know to get your learners permit.
Maybe watch the video again..
OP (or OP's friend) did slow down and you can't assume he did not check the incoming traffic on the right (you can check, drive and still hit the red car). He did take the risk of turning left without waiting the for the bus but … in Sydney traffic, I saw many people doing that (i.e. turning left into the main road on the inner lane and cars keep coming from the right in the outer lane). This is normal in Sydney.
The bus will park there forever, it's unlikely it will move anytime soon. OP might be at fault but the red car is an idiot, why would she switch lane after overtaking the bus?
Of course I can assume he did not check for oncoming traffic, if he did he would not have crashed in to the oncoming traffic. The bus is stopped in the bay, he didn't take a risk by not waiting for the bus.. he just needed to look for traffic before turning. If he stopped and waited for the bus he would be a different kind of silly.
Please just watch the video again. I think you just didn't see that the bus is parked in the bay when you watched the video originally. The red car did not overtake the bus.
One of those cars failed to give way to traffic when entering the road…… That is the one is the at fault. If they can't 'see' because of the bus, then they shouldn't be entering the road blindly. But looking at the street view map link posted above, the bus was in a parking bay, so not sure how much of the road it was really blocking.