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30-Day Tesla Enhanced Auto Pilot Free Trial @ Tesla (via in-Car Display Offer)

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Enhanced Autopilot

30-day enhanced auto pilot free trial for Tesla owners. Full upgarde cost $5,100 and normally there is no trial period.

  • Auto Lane Change: Assists in moving to an adjacent lane on the motorway when indicator is engaged by driver
  • Navigate on Autopilot (Beta): Actively augments Auto Lane Change by providing guidance to the driver to transit motorway’s on-ramp to off-ramp, including suggesting lane changes and navigating interchanges
  • Autopark: Helps parallel or perpendicular park your car, with a single touch
  • Summon: Moves your car in and out of a tight space using the mobile app
  • Smart Summon: Your car will navigate more complex environments and parking spaces, manoeuvring around objects as necessary to come find you in a car park within your direct vicinity.

Check your car screen and it should come up as a display

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Model Y & 3 purchase: Referee gets 90 days Enhanced Autopilot. Referrer gets 5,000 credits. Referrer can also earn 100 credits if the referee takes a test drive.

Limit of up to 12 order referrals and 60 test drive referrals per calendar year.

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  • superbass on 23/12/2022 - 19:14
    +9

    noticed it this afternoon and tried it but wasn't too impressed with the smoothness of the ride using "enhanced" autopilot.

    • nurbsenvi on 24/12/2022 - 13:28
      +5

      Yup not worth $5000+
      Should have been a standard feature
      VW has better system for far cheaper or as standard.

    • badabing badaboom on 28/12/2022 - 13:02
      +1

      I've not full self driving like many people think, but I tried autopilot in a model y over the last few days and honestly don't know how people use it for more than a few minutes as it gets so many things wrong. I get AI isn't perfect and I wanted it to work but it was seriously dangerous using it:

      Driving in Sydney:
      - lanes are too narrow and it would often run too close to gutters or the other car after minor bends in the road. It would often get confused by the lanes and line markings. It turns off under bridges / tunnels which is fair enough to an extent but most cities have a lot to make it annoying turning it on and off constantly.
      - sudden aggressive breaking on minor bends where a car is parked or a pedestrian walking well outside the lane ahead.
      - even normal crash detection is way too aggressive for cars turning safely hundreds of meters in front of you.

      Driving on the motorways from Sydney to Brisbane:
      - it runs wide in the lanes after slight bends and gets confused in shadows from trees or bridges or changes in line markings often breaking suddenly when it is confused.
      - It also runs in the centre of the lane too close past all the semi trailers and caravans that are wide, so usually you want to give them more space as they often drive over the lane lines.
      - lane changing - you have to do a full press of the signal otherwise it melts down and aggressively corrects you back into the lane and to the point it is dangerous and scared the living cr@p out of myself and all passengers in the car a few times. It also prompted to change lanes too close to slow/fast cars in the next lane, or not noticing in advance that a lane change was best to overtake slowing vehicles.

      • Summon in a car park - multilevel car park doesn't work as it rely's on maps to direct it. I have since read that this is still beta and only works in certain carparks that are mapped / predictable.

      I'm honestly surprised they can let people use autopilot.

  • drazenm on 23/12/2022 - 19:15
    +42

    I seriously never understood the whole auto pilot feature. Apparently, you're NOT supposed to allow the car to drive on its own, you're supposed to CONSTANTLY monitor what's it doing and ANTICIPATE when it's gonna do something wrong so you'd jump in and take over, use manual commands and save you both from disaster….

    What im shocked about is that there are so many cases of the car making mistakes, causing crashes, accidents, even deaths that are investigated, hush hush paid off etc. And the thing is still allowed to be sold, used.

    Of course we have to add the political aspect of it and all the terms and conditions (you've read them all and understand what you're agreeing to, right, right? DIDN'T/NO!) That come with it by which they're protected in 99% of cases regarding whatever happens with you during the autopilot disaster because you've probably misused the feature….

    Hopefully your tesla won't mistaken the sun for a traffic light and drive you off the cliff…

    • NeggerOfDeals on 23/12/2022 - 19:25
      +47

      Apparently, you're NOT supposed to allow the car to drive on its own

      That would be the government saying enforcing that, not Tesla.

      causing crashes, accidents, even deaths

      I am genuinely curious as to the difference in accidents compared to non-Tesla's. At this stage in humanity, I would prefer AI than the (profanity) on our roads having control.

      • teereb on 23/12/2022 - 19:30
        +15

        I haven't looked in ages but early results showed far less accidents than human drivers per 100,000 miles (tests in America) driven. Can't remember specific stats though. I can only imagine that number would have improved with newer tech. A quick Google will give results, but just my 2c as a non Tesla owner / any auto car.

        • get-innocuous on 23/12/2022 - 20:03
          +16

          They're probably safer than human drivers but not as safe as Tesla claims. It's hard to compare because it is mostly use on freeways which are relatively simple to drive on. It hands back control to the driver in tricky conditions.

          That said (as someone who works in safety assurance, but in rail not road vehicles), Tesla don't exactly fill me with confidence regarding their system safety/safety in design principles.

          • CodeExplode on 23/12/2022 - 20:05
            +1

            @get-innocuous: The fact that musk whisked away some of their engineers to help him at Twitter doesn't fill me with confidence about Tesla being well run with dedicated attention on these features either.

          • CocaKoala on 23/12/2022 - 20:11
            +10

            @get-innocuous:

            They're probably safer than human drivers but not as safe as Tesla claims(engrxiv.org). It's hard to compare because it is mostly use on freeways which are relatively simple to drive on.

            How dare you bring logic and rational thinking into this discussion?!

            Tesla don't exactly fill me with confidence regarding their system safety/safety in design principles.

            Don't talk about them removing radar in favour of just cameras as a cost cutting measure. That's off topic. Also, if Elon says that's better then it just is.

            • dealsucker on 23/12/2022 - 23:35
              +1

              @CocaKoala: No. I get what he is going for as first principle design thinking. Do you have a radar/lidar on your head? The roadways are designed for “seeing” and the acting ala camera’s input being acted upon by a biological neural network.

              • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 00:53
                +6

                @dealsucker: But then the goal is to better than humans, not just to match their rate of failures. If additional sensors can help with that, I'm all for them.

                The only time I was in a Tesla, as passenger, about 6 months ago, I was astonished how bad their base package (other makes call it adaptive cruise control) is. I.e. it decelerated substantially, and completely unnecessarily, when an oncoming car turned across our lane into a side street, with plenty of safety margin. I reckon that was a direct result from the fact that it takes longer to accurately calculate distance and speed of other road users using camera input instead of radar.

                My understanding is that this package does not improve any of the functions that are in the base package, just adds some more (as per list above).

          • SBOB on 23/12/2022 - 20:15
            +4

            @get-innocuous:

            It's hard to compare because it is mostly use on freeways

            and Tesla also doesn't openly disclose full, unfiltered/censored information about their cars crash/near miss events..
            Despite public roads being used for what is effectively public beta testing

            • CowFrogHorse on 24/12/2022 - 13:32
              +1

              @SBOB: They do disclose it, the problem is they obviously dont advertise it because well you would want the public to know how dumb the AP can be.

              • SBOB on 24/12/2022 - 13:41
                -1

                @CowFrogHorse:

                They do disclose it,

                Tesla do not openly disclose unfiltered driver disengagement numbers, which is when a driver needed to take over to avoid accidents or incorrect autonomous operation

                • CowFrogHorse on 24/12/2022 - 13:48
                  +1

                  @SBOB: Sorry i was referring to the fact that Tesla naturally hides the true stats, but they are forced to report driving incidents to the government.

                  It should be obvious that given the fact they are not open about the causes and numbers of incidents should tell us they have something to hide, but hey we all know that Elon never bullshits.

                  Hyperloop etc etc.

          • brad82au on 23/12/2022 - 23:16
            +1

            @get-innocuous: You saw Sydney traffic today mate. The bloody M1 and ICE cars still manage to prang it.

            • CowFrogHorse on 24/12/2022 - 13:26
              +1

              @brad82au: Yup Sydney is full of idiots wasting their life in traffic and they think they are winning.

              A person living in the country working at woolies has a better life.

        • oznik on 24/12/2022 - 13:06
          -3

          Problem is that they are comparing new tesla cars with every other car on the road including shitboxes.

          They need to compare cars of similar ages and price range, but of course they wont do that as their statistics suddenly wont look so good.

        • CowFrogHorse on 24/12/2022 - 13:31
          +1

          Perhaps you should be thinking more of the BIG WHY question.

          If AP is that safe, why doesnt Tesla give free insurance to cover everything for AP.

          Tesla's can and have caused crazy accidents at any moment for no apparent reason at all. The problem is most people are idiots, and they believe the AI is perfect and as we have seen the AI might just drive straight into a wall.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-a…

          273 crashes in one year, is a lot considering its basically illegal everywhere to actually use. Just imagine if everyone was using it, just imagine one Tesla gettinv confused by another Tesla doing something dumb…

      • drazenm on 23/12/2022 - 19:43
        -3

        Did i mention government? No, im saying from Tesla's instructions, terms and conditions of its auto pilot use, nothing to do with governmental regulations.

        • NeggerOfDeals on 23/12/2022 - 19:52
          -5

          I knew you'd misinterpret what I said. I even tried to mitigate the chance for you to find a way around it. But alas, you still tried a "ah-hah!" moment.

          Tesla would only be saying that because the government is forcing them to.

        • onlinepred on 23/12/2022 - 20:24

          Do you mean full self driving? Not auto pilot??

      • [Deactivated] on 23/12/2022 - 20:37
        +8

        I would prefer AI than the (profanity)

        Shitty camera and bunch of ML models trained on limited data? Its worse than any human.

        • ceroau on 24/12/2022 - 11:11
          +3

          I admire your faith in humanity if you think the average modern-day human is better than a modern camera and ML models, even if it is a shitty camera utilizing limited ML data. Alas, it is not a faith I share. Even if I was to consider it, it would only take me one drive in any populated area during any remotely busy time of the day to have me entirely convinced that most people shouldn't be allowed their pen license alone a license to drive a ton plus vehicle on a public road with other humans around.

        • DmytroP on 24/12/2022 - 15:01

          You overestimate humans

          • [Deactivated] on 24/12/2022 - 15:10
            +2

            @DmytroP: Nope. This software is decades from being safe in tricky weather/light conditions, or anything out of normal on the road.

            • DmytroP on 24/12/2022 - 15:15

              @[Deactivated]: I'd not claim the Tesla software is ready (certainly quite far from release), but there are humans on the road who are even worse at least occasionally.

              • [Deactivated] on 24/12/2022 - 15:23

                @DmytroP: For me, normal car driver, Tesla SW poses more danger than dumb drivers. It is less predictable. And Tesla drivers tend to relax too much, chat on the phone, even nap. Thank god I drive a monster 2.5 tonne 4wd. Especially on highways, where FSD is often active and speeds are deadly high.

      • Innately Incognito on 23/12/2022 - 20:44
        +9

        Sick of people pointing out that AI isn't perfect.

        It doesn't have to be perfect. If it's beating humans it's probably doing enough.

        If an AI detects 99% of cancers compared to a human detecting 90% with the same data would you really ask for the human because the AI isn't 100% perfect?

        • salamandersushi on 23/12/2022 - 20:57
          +7

          It's not so much that AI isn't perfect, it's that we've normalised the user base being testers for products and features that aren't even close to production ready.

          • Mr Frodo on 24/12/2022 - 05:44
            -4

            @salamandersushi: One could argue the same was done with Covid vaccines. Yes I went there. Neg away!

        • Techie4066 on 23/12/2022 - 21:12
          +2

          You missed that in those "1%" of situations, the outcome of AI messing up can be as bad as someone with a death wish on the road.

    • wfdTamar on 23/12/2022 - 19:26

      I can't believe the Summon thing is legal (maybe it's not here?). Imagine the legal can of worms if the car flattened a little kid in a car park?

      • Pecan on 23/12/2022 - 19:29
        +2

        …as opposed to flattening a kid whilst being behind the wheel?

        • wfdTamar on 23/12/2022 - 19:33
          +3

          Maybe you could absolve yourself and just say “take it up with Elon”.

      • brocky2006 on 23/12/2022 - 19:37

        The tv ads say not legal in WA. I can see situations where it would be useful.
        Coming to your car in a car park and some considerate person has parked too close and you can't get in.

        • punkman on 23/12/2022 - 22:06

          Have you ever stood there waiting for them to come back?

        • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 01:21

          Just open your roof and jump in that way. Oh sorry, forgot, that big glass roof is only there to heat up the interior, can't be opened ;-)

        • LlamaLlamaLamp on 24/12/2022 - 12:22
          +2

          Has this ever happened to anyone? Genuinely interested

          • oznik on 24/12/2022 - 13:08

            @LlamaLlamaLamp: There was a court case around it once involving a Mr. Fatteah Bumba

    • Kommodore on 23/12/2022 - 19:32
      +7

      It is just an assist, people can't read operating procedures and are lazy/dangerous. My car (not a Tesla) has pretty good lane assist, and I turn it off because it is annoying since stops working as soon as the line marking isn't clear so you cant rely on it, but people use it to hold the lane and not steer and will kill themselves or an innocent. Either these systems need to be only rolled out once fully autonomous or just disabled, because the systems where the driver still needs to have input are just asking for trouble because people abuse it.

      Same deal with a lot of other safety features, they are not a crutch, only a backup, like blind spot monitors, the sensor could be dirty or disabled and not working that day and the people who solely rely on it would slam into someone, when it is meant to be used as a secondary backup after you visually check but then still miss something.

      • rodericb on 24/12/2022 - 13:00

        Lazy brain syndrome or something. People who use AEB to stop when in stop-start traffic too. I was at a car meet and heard a young lad ask Siri to "call dad".

    • drfuzzy on 23/12/2022 - 19:42
      +2

      Can you specify the intersection you are talking about? The one where the cliff face has traffic lights?

      • rodericb on 24/12/2022 - 13:01

        It was in the Road Runner show. Meep meep!

    • NoBargainNoLife on 23/12/2022 - 20:14
      +2

      Mate at least make sure you are talking about FSD not auto pilot?

      For Tesla,
      Auto Pilot (AP) = adaptive cruise control (many cars also have)

      Enhanced AP = AP+ Auto lane change

      Full self drive (FSD) = this is the one you are talking about. It is still on Beta and not fully functioning yet.

      • thermos on 23/12/2022 - 21:45
        +3

        Autopilot is a bit more than adaptive cruise control, it steers for the most part including around corners.

        This is far better than my previous VW Golf R with drivers assist package with adaptive cruise control and lane assist.

        • NoBargainNoLife on 23/12/2022 - 22:40
          +3

          Yup was trying to simplify as you can see people don’t know which is which. By the way I was sooooo close to buy a R but bought a model 3 RWD…loving it!

          • thermos on 24/12/2022 - 14:01
            +1

            @NoBargainNoLife: Understand, I think you made the right choice with the model 3.

            Although I haven't driven a Mk 8 R, I found the Golf R (7.5) the most boring car to drive and was glad to get rid of it after 12 months. I found this surprising as the Golf Mk5 GTI was a hoot and miss that car.

        • DPW on 24/12/2022 - 08:17

          I’d say it’s definitely worse than my previous Golf R and absolutely worse that my Tiguan R. Reason being is that VW uses radar for adaptive cruise and therefore doesn’t require auto wipers and auto high beam to use these features. The windscreen can be covered with bugs and the system still works.

        • tp0 on 24/12/2022 - 12:24

          Lane guidance is not some magic Tesla feature. A base model Toyota Corolla has it (and it works really well).

          Also works nicely in my 2018 Skoda Octavia. Possibly your Golf R was only lane keeping rather than lane guidance. Or you just never ticked the “adaptive lane guidance” box in the settings.

    • zoner on 23/12/2022 - 21:14
      -2

      Are you okay mate?

    • jaygee on 23/12/2022 - 21:23
      +1

      That's why I think it should have not been allowed to be called anything other than Auto Pilot 2.0 or advanced.

    • krunkworx on 23/12/2022 - 22:05

      Besides the bad marketing (ie calling it autopilot) your cruise control is the same deal so how is it different?

    • giventofly on 23/12/2022 - 23:45
      +2

      It's a massive scam. It'll never come to be reality. We already have vehicles where the passengers don't have to drive. They're called trains and trams.

      • shoppe on 24/12/2022 - 00:39
        +3

        I cannot remember the last time I was a passenger and drove.

    • Astaltar on 24/12/2022 - 00:47
      +3

      What's more concerning (as for me) that you buy a car and then you pay subscription to use some of it's feature.

      • David 1969 on 24/12/2022 - 07:59

        But you're NOT concerned about buying a car that's been misleadingly sold under #dieselgate? 🤔🤔🤔
        Let alone the 'fixed price servicing' and other costs associated with maintaining ICE cars?¿?¿
        Tesla have CONTINUOUS over the air updates meaning my 2021 model3 now is better & has more features than the day it was purchased…..all FREE! 🤟

        No-one is holding a gun to my head to subscribe to additional features I may or may not want to use. Just like you have the option whether to keep paying to maintain your vehicle & your wallet is held hostage by ever increasing fuel prices 👌😁.

    • BargainBuddy on 24/12/2022 - 01:30
      +1

      Let the AI learn it's way with all these early adopters.

    • deanau on 24/12/2022 - 08:15
      +1

      Heres a fun fact - "Autopilot" on aircraft can't fly itself - it still needs a pilot to look over it.

      • SurprisedPanda on 24/12/2022 - 11:25
        +2

        aircraft autopilot can fly itself and even land successfully (look it up - a space shuttle landed only on autopilot many years ago)
        it's just a procedure for pilots to be there,
        but comparing to cars aircraft has more systems/sensors with double/triple channels for high availability to rely on

    • Trentgibbo3 on 24/12/2022 - 09:04

      Regardless of what you sign you can't sign away any negligence

    • JafferMoney on 27/12/2022 - 09:08

      LoL you dingbat…and the fact that you've got many likes for this comment shows how many dingbats are on this forum.

      You've got no idea.

      Maybe if you did 5 minutes of research you'd have some understanding that our government enforces the legislation in Australia, which ALL car manufacturers have to abide by, not just Telsa…LoL.

      Stick to your ICE car mate, enjoy the petrol fumes and the regular servicing LoL

  • Clear on 23/12/2022 - 19:20
    +7

    This is going to be useful for parking. Dunno why but people just love to park really really close to my Tesla. Never an issue in my petrol cars.

    At this rate I'll need to mount an Alienware monitor inside to be even more spiteful.

    • ialam99 on 23/12/2022 - 20:49
      +12

      I always park next to an expensive car as I know they won't slam their door on mine. Parking next to a shit box always carries that risk.

      • Clear on 23/12/2022 - 20:58

        Yes that's usually a good rule to follow. It happens at charging stations though. People pick the spot next to it that's normal and park close.

      • BradH13 on 23/12/2022 - 23:09
        +1

        I thought this too, until one day a current model luxury Mercedes yeeted their door straight into mine while I was sitting in it.

        Some people just don't care.

      • serbpie on 24/12/2022 - 01:26
        +5

        Not always true, I had a Bentley parking next to my CX9 in very tight spaces (office building), I now have a huge indentation from the drivers door. Unfortunately damage caused by a Bentley doesnt increase my cars value.

    • eddyah on 23/12/2022 - 21:58
      +1

      The tesla is a fatty (wider than you think!)

      It doesn't look it though, hence why people seem to park closer to you than you think

      • Clear on 23/12/2022 - 21:59
        -3

        Oh no it's not that. Like people intentionally try to block your door in.

        • jv on 23/12/2022 - 22:47
          +1

          Like people intentionally try to block your door in.

          I do it for amusement.

          Check my youtube channel.

      • boomramada on 24/12/2022 - 08:14

        This is true, check the width between Tesla Vs Mazda or which ever car mid size car.

    • nurbsenvi on 24/12/2022 - 13:30

      Teslas are super wide

      • Clear on 24/12/2022 - 14:40

        Not sure how that's relevant when you catch people saying they blocked it in intentionally.

        The fact people don't knows what intentionally means is pretty sad.

  • cheekymonkey97 on 23/12/2022 - 19:26
    +34

    Can’t wait for someone to come in and blow Tesla out of the water. Overpriced cheaply built mediocre cars. Other than the fast acceleration my friend’s M3P drives and feels like a $30k base model car.

    • LSGH on 23/12/2022 - 19:42
      +4

      More models from BYD perhaps

      • xmagic on 23/12/2022 - 21:38

        Had a test drive of BYD Atto 3 a few days ago. Man what a nice car at that price point.

        However I'm still waiting for < $25,000 full EVs to arrive Australia as a 2nd car for commute.

      • whyisave on 23/12/2022 - 22:25
        +1

        You choose who you want to give your data to:
        - China
        - USA
        - …

    • MrThing on 23/12/2022 - 20:00
      +3

      Plenty already do… Kia/Hyundai, polestar, VW, BYD, etc etc

      And audi and porche for the high end market

      Tesla are vaporware and finally their shareprice is reflecting that

      • Omk4r123 on 23/12/2022 - 20:02
        -1

        *Porsche

      • jaygee on 23/12/2022 - 21:25
        +8

        None of them blow the Tesla out of the water on price vs performance and features unfortunately. Better yes, blow out of water no.

        Also how is the charging infrastructure for those other brands across the country (serious questions)?

        • MrThing on 23/12/2022 - 21:38
          +7

          A huge fukup in the eco credentials for EVs is not standardizing all the charging infrastructure between brands

          • xmagic on 23/12/2022 - 21:46

            @MrThing: They should make it very straightforward that all non-destination chargers are DC fast charging station, and spread them at least on par with the density of petrol stations.

            As of Australia I believe most main-stream EVs are using type-2 already. Some supports DC on top of that. Is there any cars that even uses CHAdeMO other than the old Nissan Leafs? I mean all Outlander PHEVs are type-2 plugs and that's pretty much all of the Japanese models out there.

          • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 01:00
            +1

            @MrThing: The connector is (mostly*) standardised. The problem is that Telsa does not allow other brands to use their superchargers. Connectors fit, it's just a software setting, and one of Elon's many broken promises to actually make it happen.

            *mostly means: with exception of some Japanese makes that still to this day delivery CHAdeMO, in particular the Nissan Leaf, even current models, still with battery without active cooling, destined to early degradation. 10 years ago there was no choice, if someone buys these as a new car today I have to doubt their sanity.

            • gavincato on 24/12/2022 - 06:51

              @team teri: Look I'd like other cars to be able to use the superchargers as well but it's not "just a software setting". They'd have to dedicate considerable time to making up a way to bill other cars for power use. It's not just turning a toggle in the software.

              • deanau on 24/12/2022 - 08:16

                @gavincato: It's ready - it's already active in europe, the problem is australia needs heaps more DC chargers overall - it will happen eventually.

              • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 10:30
                +2

                @gavincato: It's not hard. They managed to do it in Europe on quite short notice. It has been running for a year now, and they still choose to make it only available at very limited number of chargers.

                Why else would they intend to limit it in NSW for example only to sites that received government funding to build? https://blog.chargemap.com/tesla-superchargers-open-to-non-t…

                It's all about competitive advantage, being able to advertise with the most comprehensive charging network. I totally understand that too, it just is at odds with Elon's words and the impression he tries to give. Nothing new there, just his personality ;-)

                • MrThing on 24/12/2022 - 14:47

                  @team teri: I thought EVs didnt need subsidies as the economics already stacks up??

                  Appartently not, everyones lining up for free gov handouts

                  Any handouts for EV charging should have to be universal not proprietary ie; tesla superchargers

                  • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 16:50

                    @MrThing: The economics of driving an EV stack up for anyone who does enough mileage.

                    What doesn't stack up economically at the moment is installing chargers in more remote locations.

                    Now you have a problem: people who want an EV, and know it stacks up economically for them, but if they can't use it for their once a month rural trip (or even twice a year holiday), they can't make it work and are stuck with ICE or have to make a very bad compromise and buy hybrid.

                    That's exactly where government can and should intervene. Enable an otherwise fantastic technology by filling gaps in infrastructure. I have no doubt that the first roadhouses along our highways were subsidised as well to make interstate travel possible. With subsidies wound down as traffic increased and they became economically viable.

                    To this day internet connections in remote areas are subsidised, to allow people there access to the same services others have, services that are not viable at a full cost basis, but that by providing them, create large benefits for the overall economy.

                  • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 16:52

                    @MrThing: As to handouts being universal: that's exactly what will happen in NSW. Those Tesla chargers that are subsidised have to be open to all makes. The government could have gone further: require that all chargers of a company have to be open to all brands, including those already built and privately funded, if that company wants to get any subsidy at all. I guess NSW didn't do that.

      • rodericb on 24/12/2022 - 13:03

        Don't pretty much all those brands cost more than the equivalent Tesla? BYD being the exception.

        • MrThing on 24/12/2022 - 14:45
          +1

          I think the point that was being made is tesla is building LDV quality and selling for Lexus prices

        • team teri on 24/12/2022 - 17:09

          MG sold better value EVs long before BYD. So there are two. Watch out for the MG4, due to land here in a few months, mixing up things again.

          'Equivalent' is another difficult term. Polestar builds nice cars, and can be price competitive unless adding options. Some of those items that are optional for Polestar are included in the Tesla base price. What does one compare then, fully optioned prices, even if many of them aren't what one needs?

          Cupra Born just opened for pre-orders, with delivery in 4-8 months or so. More range at a lower price point than Tesla. Still sporty, but not quite the same performance.

          There is increasing number of alternatives out there, most of them excite me more than seeing another white Model 3 or Model Y on the road. Those are getting boring.

          As to Tesla's pricing: $1500 extra to choose any other colour than white (except red, which is $2900 extra) explains why most are white. Same option costs $700 for both BYD and MG.

          Tesla is trying to be the Apple of the car world. They know they are not, that's why they offer an attractive base price. They can do that profitably, with their high vertical integration and production volumes. But once you want anything extra, they make you pay for it through the nose.

      • payless69 on 24/12/2022 - 15:19

        Buying Twitter was sort of the most stupid deal of 2022!
        I was going to go to Europe to test the top of range Lucid against the Plaid.
        Turns out that Lucid lied too, it has not 4 motors like claimed first, just 2. Less ugly, more exclusive, and perhaps off the market in a year.
        Kia is the only one delivering their specs.
        With Yards bursting out of capacity in Berlin one wonders what the future will bring?

    • onlinepred on 23/12/2022 - 20:23

      Maybe in a few years/10 years

      • Techie4066 on 23/12/2022 - 22:04
        +1

        Sounds like a timeframe Musk would give

        • CocaKoala on 24/12/2022 - 11:44
          +1

          More like 3 months is what he will tell us.

        • payless69 on 24/12/2022 - 15:57
          +1

          If you are in a cave blocked off by water….

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