Deal description update:
Quote from Tennis Au:
In another first for the Australian Open, ‘Mob pricing’ will be available to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people on First Nations Day, offering a discount of $10 on Ground Passes.
Source: https://www.tennis.com.au/news/2023/01/08/indigenous-culture…
First Nations Day Offer
Adult — $49.00 each
Kids 3-14 Years — $10.00 each
Concession — $39.00 each
Should be free tbh, but maybe that's insulting. Heck you're going to always insult someone though.
How is this legal? If I said “$10 off if you are of European background”, wouldn’t that be racism?
Was coming here to post something similar. Imagine the “racism” uproar if it was a $10 discount for Caucasian Australians.
Locals in many countries get cheaper rates than foreigners
This isn’t a bargain targeted for all locals.
@UberIsCool: Whaaaaa? I don't even want to waste a neg on this comment
But seriously, is your brain still in another country?
@cookie2: I am a simpleton, can you please translate to me what the flag ⬆️ & ⬇️ down analogy means?
This isn’t a citizen vs foreigner issue
But a race based one..
They are two very different things.
I'm black and I'm plus 1ing you
What does 1ing you mean. I feel dirty.
Well I'm led to believe as I'm not a minority victimised group (Mediterranean) anything goes. Believe that's the qualification for Racism these days.
Even more so as those of my background take the piss outta it. Cough, Wog Boy.
Yet, I was racially abused every single day at a private school from year 6 to 12, including by teachers and the Deputy Head Master, but that was ok, because I finished school in 2000.
No offence to anyone, but no Racism is ok.
Oh boy.. you're gonna be so mad when you learn about the other job, Medicare, Centrelink and hundreds of other social benefits that first nation citizens get to help pull them out of disadvantage situations.
Worst still is the loan schemes that only require part payment and no repossession orders… ever!
Correct ..Always was Always will be
Sure would mate. Doesn't go both ways unfortunately.
It isn't going to get any better when ALBOriginal pushes the Voice thru.
yeah but (most) European people didn't get massacred for their land and their kids forcibly taken away from them
Pontian Genocide says hi. 100 years ago.
My great grandparents were eaten on a spit. Not exaggerating. Lands taken away too.
Turkey the culprit.
Conveniently ignored in History.
Let's not forget the Armenian Genocide. Also commited by the Turks
@cheekymonkey97: Absolutely.
Some basic acknowledgement wouldn't hurt these. Obviously politics and allegiances plays a big part.
And these were 'only' 100 years ago.
Some big players turned blind eyes on these.
You need to read more history
Or today's newspapers….
20 years ago Kosovo says hi.
Australia's history is an episode of Playschool compared to Europe
@faithdealer: You should learn about over 2000 years of European history before you compare 200 of Australian.
@scuderiarmani: Europe had genocide, Australia had genocide. What makes Australia's genocide playschool to you?
@faithdealer: Because it's happened over 10 times longer with FAR more people impacted.
May have heard of the holocaust? Or is that apparently a walk in the park?
@scuderiarmani: So how many people have to be genocided before you will deign to care about it?
The lesson of the Holocaust is not that you need at least 6 million dead before it stops being "playschool".
@faithdealer: So how many times will you change the argument to suit you and your pretend offence on behalf of others?
6 million Jews.
I get varied numbers for indigenous, maybe 100-200k. Maybe much less factoring in diseases.
Want me to list every other European atrocity?
@scuderiarmani: Okay, so 100 - 200K deaths don't matter.
Unless they were in Kosovo, I guess.
Actually it just seems to be Australian Aboriginals who don't matter to you.
@faithdealer: Pigs arse mate. Don't go putting words in my mouth.
Australia's history doesn't remotely compare to other continents.
Don't pretend otherwise. Millions upon millions have died elsewhere. 100s of millions easily.
@scuderiarmani: Yes, Australia has always been much less populated so it has not been possible to murder and genocide as many people here as in Europe (the only continent you seem to care about).
Now, how to explain how that is equivalent to "playschool" in a way that doesn't make you look like a huge racist, I'm not sure.
@faithdealer: Yep, keep putting words in my mouth. I'm ignoring your rubbish.
I just mentioned other continents, so stop making up lies.
Regardless, I'm blocking you. Enjoy your day getting offended by someone.
@scuderiarmani: Do you realise what a significant proportion of the relatively small Indigenous Australian population that is?? Yes, the Frontier Wars happened and we should all know about it. It's maddening seeing some of the false equivalences in this thread.
@Techie4066: Do you realise 2/3 of European Jewish people were killed in the holocaust? 150 plus years after Australia.
Killed obviously being generous.
Medically experimented on…
Tortured….
Definition of a dumb conversation, posting with someone whose been on the site 7 years and hardly ever contributed, but has been most active in this 'deal'.
Laughable.
@scuderiarmani: just because something worse happened somewhere else, we're just going to ignore the atrocities that happened here? amazing apologist logic
The land was literally sold under Batmans Treaty, under absolutely no duress, but go off.
The racism act in Victoria has some provisions to allow for reverse racism/sexism in some cases.
There is no such thing as "reverse racism" or "reverse sexism". The terms are "racism" and "sexism".
Affirmative action
Is that similar to the Reverse Cowgirl ?
This is unquestionably a racist policy in that it discriminates between peoples based on their (perceived) race or ethnicity.
However, not all racism is illegal.
For example, Google 'Special Measures' under the Victorian EOA.
Basically it pretends that affirmative action or 'positive discrimination' is a GOOD type of racism - so is ok.
It also really depends on treating all people of the same race as a class - so it makes no distrinction between a poor indigenous person living in a remote community and a rich indigenous person living in Toorak. This is just another form of racism.
This is the correct answer, if there ever was one, for all the outrage in this thread.
I'd have to add a caveat though, and that would be that large amount of minorities do not even wish to be positively discriminated because it permanently widens the gap between assimilation and normalisation.
People simply want to be treated equally like their peers and not have a crazy white person speak on their behalf, making them look bad.
Good point Blitz.
Affirmative action has negatives for both those advantaged by it - and those who are harmed by it.
The harm is obvious - it keeps out otherwise qualified people to meet a quota of those who are less qualified.
But it also calls into question those it benefits. Do you want to be operated on by a surgeon who got into medical school because of academic ability, or a quota? Do you want everyone you deal with to wonder the same thing?
But is there the provision for discrimination in this case? Where a business is providing cheaper tickets to an entertainment event if you are a certain background? I don't believe so.
a rich indigenous person living in Toorak
Is that a large subset of Toorak's population? Just asking.
If you did your own research you would see that in 2016 it was 0.3% of the population of the suburb - or 34 people.
That equates to a little under half the percentage of indigenous people in the state - so not bad representation in the circumstances.
I dare say the number is higher now.
https://www.abs.gov.au/census/find-census-data/quickstats/20…
Always was Always will be a form of racism .
Providing Special treatment based on someone’s race (irregardless of the intent) is and always have worked out to be counter productive.
It only furthers the divide..
I’d rather we stop viewing the world through the lens of race/colour but that’s just me 🤷♂️
Anyways thanks for the post, OP.
100%
We're all people.
Na, there’s some that identify as ‘furries’
Calling them people would offensive to ‘people’
I wasn't going to go there but :)
The interesting thing about uffies is that at first it just looks like adults who like to dress in animal costumes before you realise it's just a sex thing.
@Heaps for Cheaps: Wait till you found out about ‘cub content’ and how these deviants are sexualising little kids…
But some people are more equal than others…
Yeah, that's true for places where different people are treated equally and Australia not only hasn't been such place, but is also a poster boy country for modern racism.
Everyone, neg me to prove the opposite in your untravelled head, so you can stay oblivious.
but is also a poster boy country for modern racismm
Wdym, why do you say that?
I haven’t really encountered that myself but I genuinely want to know where are you coming from on this
neg me to prove the opposite in your untravelled head, so you can stay oblivious.
Listen, If negging comments make you a bad person, it’s people that talk exactly like you are, the one’s that dislike/report posts and comments the most.
"im so well educated and know more than you"
Condensing people like you are the worst
You're right. People like that are difficult to condense.
@Frunk: Clearly auto corrected from condescending but cheers for proving the point.
If a person can clearly get the messages intent, but decides to be a smart arse you can tell the type of character of said person.
Lonely sad little people that pretend to have a moral compass .
If that had always been the case from the beginning and everyone was treated the same, then sure. Everyone could be treated the same regardless of race.
However, First nation citizens were treated as animals, literally, for the first few decades of Australia being colonised then even after that they were not allowed into certain areas and schools and jobs for decades more.
They were been taken advantage of, used as slaves and segregated for a long time, and because of that many are living in a systemic poverty cycle.
So yea, benefits to increase the chances of pulling them of that is what's needed.
You know how to fix race relations, lets judge people on race not their financial status when deciding benefits, brilliant logic
Just saying, socialist welfare policies targeted towards ‘oppressed minorities’ always work out to be counter productive..
Blacks in the US and Blacks/Aborigines here aren’t struggling due to a lack of handouts but because the handouts have become a crutch for such communities.
I don’t even have a horse in this race btw, I am a dark person that grew up in third world countries that’s not a AU citizen.
You and MLK - but minorities don't think like that anymore. They WANT to be judged by the colour of their skin - because they think it says something about the content of their character. The sad thing is that this simply makes their character into 'victim'. But that's what they want.
Agree
it says something about the content of their character. The sad thing is that this simply makes their character into 'victim'. But that's what they want.
All of us are innately insecure beings that naturally seek for ways to get instant validation…
Gaining social status by claiming victimhood is way way easier than actually grafting for it.
I was quite lucky to be sheltered against such brainwashing, partly because of the faith that I was born into and some great role models that I was lucky to have growing up.
Not everyone is as lucky as I was.
It’s important that we remember that and approach such ideological beings with compassion..
I'm 1/64th indigenous by blood. Do I claim the full discount or apportion?
Heyyy, you got my attention, here.
Just need to identity as.
Just like all the other benefit schemes out there that have been around for decades that people can claim to identify as.
Predictable comments. Who knew that middle aged white Australians could be entitled and… Oh right, the whole negative gearing thing. Nevermind. Carry on you lot.
Those lucky first nations have had it way too good for too long. When do the old aged white males get some benefits?
/s
Lol, it's neverending. You'd think a harmless gesture to encourage historically disadvantaged people in our country would be at worst received as 'yeah righto'. But this lot has an absolute sh!tfit.
It's right up the sky news after dark alley.
Grandpa drinking his whiskey tonight will have his blood boil when he watches the tellie tonight.
I think everyone on here will acknowledge that some indigenous people have it particularly hard.
Will you acknowledge that some indigenous people do not?
I think everyone on here will acknowledge that some white people have it pretty good.
Will you acknowledge that some white people do not?
If not, why not?
Why do you think privilege/fortune/opportunities/success is tied exclusively to race? Why do you think indigenous people cannot be successful and need handouts?
Pretty racist of you.
I'm surprised by the number of people triggered by this deal.
Now back to my bubble where people are somewhat more kind and less shit.
Kindness means treating all people with kindness, respect and opportunities. This has nothing to do with kindness.
Last I checked, negative gearing is not exclusively available to a race. In fact, you'll find that taxation law applies to everybody.
And that is how law should be. Which on a related matter, vote no to the voice.
I'll see myself out…
Indigenous people don't negatively gear? Sounds like racism of low expectations.
The ignorance in this thread is appalling. People from these backgrounds almost always grow up in underprivileged households.
I'm sure everything was rosy for the convict settlers too
And their descendants aren't even entitled to a discount to visit Port Arthur or Hyde Park Barracks, let alone a nice English gentleman’s sport.
Yeah, slight difference though…..
Doug Boland didn't even know he had indigenous heritage till he was much older. Didn't seem to hold him back.
The identify as criteria is a big difference to actually having what most would call actual background.
If one of my great great grandparents wasn't Greek, but the rest are, I still identify as having Greek heritage in my eyes. Though, frankly, I consider myself Australian, I'm born here. My parents weren't however.
The identify as criteria is a big difference to actually having what most would call actual background.
Do you recognise that assimilation occurred? Not to mention some colonisers wanted to "wipe" Indigenous people out completely.
No. I didn't know that.
I also don't know how rain falls. Please educate me.
"People from these backgrounds almost always grow up in underprivileged households."
Is..Is that not a racist statement? Or am I just too far gone?
It's called reality
underprivileged households
This seems like a very ignorant statement as there are many different types of privileges.
Are you saying their culture is underprivileged? or money? or their intelligence? or relationships? or values? or their physical strength? or everything?
About 30 per cent of Indigenous households are in income poverty, which indicates that over 120,000 Indigenous people are living below the poverty line.
In 2019, 26% of Indigenous people nationally lived in a household which, in the previous 12 months, had run out of food and could not afford to buy more.
In remote communities, the national Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health survey (NATSIHS) found, 43% of Indigenous people reported having gone without food in the previous 12 months.
More than 28 percent of Australia’s prison population was Aboriginal in 2016, despite the fact that less than 3 percent of Australia’s population identifies as indigenous.
In the Census 2001, the mean (average) equivalised gross
household income for Indigenous persons was $364 per week, or 62% of the rate
for non-Indigenous persons ($585 per week).
There’s clear disparity.
Why?
@ajr5k: Because many of them CHOOSE to…
Many choose to not conform or integrate with society. Many choose to commit crimes (what is deemed crime in our society). Many choose to stick with their ancestral lifestyles, and hence by our societal metrics, they are represented as such.
Many do not believe in/ understand ownership, nor the fundamentals of money. Some things which may seem normal within their own culture are deemed crimes by the society that is Australia today.
These statistics above only help to prove that there is an issue that is underlying between our cultures, but how you interpret them is how you draw a conclusion. One could say that they face racial opression, but another could note their inability or disinterest in conformity. Personally, I don't care whether they wish to live how their ancestors did, or join into society as it is, but it can't be had both ways or sit on the fence. You can't be traditional when it suits, and then pretend to be hard done by within society when that suits. Choose one and be all in.
How many non indigenous households are experiencing income poverty? And can and should this be fixed by providing discounts to an entertainment event? If anything I'd say it's encouraging frivolous spending of money, especially if in poverty.
Tells me they commit a lot of crime "28 percent of Australia’s prison population was Aboriginal in 2016, despite the fact that less than 3 percent of Australia’s population" how is that my fault ?
You mean government provided and funded communities that are constantly trashed and destroyed, ans full of abuse… repaired and refurbished, rinse and repeat. All because we aren't allowed to tell them how to live or convene, they pretty much just say "we do what we want/think is right".
Yeah… sounds underprivileged to me, not like self inflicted cultural stuff bottlenecking their potential at all.
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When I google First Nations Day it comes up at August the 9th.