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Electric Vehicle Government Subsidies, Registration, Stamp Duty Discounts @ States & Federal Governments

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I don't know where these post belong. If Mods believe it belongs into Forum then they can remove it.
I found an article that has very good information regarding EV Incentives in Federal, States and Territory.
These post is for people that thinking of purchasing an EV vehicle and inform them about the various available incentives by Federal, States and Territory.

Federal https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislat…
Incentives
The Labor Government launched its first ever electric vehicle strategy in September 2022, and in November 2022, the Treasury Laws Amendment (Electric Car Discount) Bill passed through the Federal Parliament, which will provide up to $2000 off the purchase price of battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEV), as well as Fringe Benefits Tax (FBT) exemptions for fleets and novated leases.
The Government will apply the exemption retrospectively to eligible cars first used on or after July 1, 2022.
PHEVs will initially be covered, but the offer will expire on April 1, 2025.
Tax
The Luxury Car Tax threshold for low-emission vehicles has been raised to $84,916, from the standard vehicle starting rate of $71,849.
Alongside the removal of the Fringe Benefits Tax the five per cent import tariff for EVs priced under the LCT limit has been cut.
The FBT savings amount to $9000 per annum for an employer, or $4700 for an individual with a salary sacrifice agreement for a $50k electric vehicle.
Cutting import tariffs drops purchase prices by a further $2500, according to the documents.

NEW SOUTH WALES official gov. website

Incentives
$3000 rebate for the first 25,000 EVs or FCEVs sold which are priced under $68,750 – but read the fine print, the offer is on the RRP plus the delivery charge and optional extras
Stamp duty waived on both types of vehicle under $78,000 – all from September 1, 2021
EV drivers can also use T2 and T3 transit lanes across NSW

Registration fee discounts.
Tax
2.5c/km BEV, 2c/km PHEV – but only as of July 1, 2027

VICTORIA official gov. website

Incentives
$3000 subsidy given for the first 20,000 EVs or FCEVs sold which are priced under $68,740,** as with NSW the **offer is on the RRP plus the delivery charge and optional extras
Reduced stamp duty rates
$100 discount on registration annually.
Tax
2.6c/km BEV, 2.1c/km PHEV from July 1, 2022

Update: as of June 30th 2023, The Victorian government has ended this scheme.

QUEENSLAND official gov. website

Incentives
$3000 rebate for new BEVs up to $58,000 on 15,000 cars as of March 16, 2022, like the other states the **offer is on the RRP plus the delivery charge and optional extras
Lowest car registration for BEVs – $263 a year
Lower stamp duty rates than ICE cars.
Tax
No plans at this time.

AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY official gov. website

Incentives
Two years’ free registration for BEVs and FCEVs as of May 24, 2021 until June 30, 2024
Older EVs eligible for 20 per cent off rego fees
Stamp duty may also be waived on vehicles purchased for the first time
ACT drivers are also able to access up to $15,000 in interest-free loans to help cover the upfront purchase cost of an electric vehicle up to a cap of $77,565.
Tax
None yet – Distance and/or congestion based charging for all vehicle types “may be considered in the medium term”.

NORTHERN TERRITORY official gov. website

Incentive
BEVs and PHEVs to get cheaper rego and stamp duty from July 2022, the latter slashed by $1500
Discounts to last five years
Grants for home, workplace and public EV chargers, and opportunities offered to develop local skills to service technology and install infrastructure.
Tax
None – No current proposal, could possibly be in the long term.

TASMANIA official gov. website

Incentives
Two years’ free stamp duty for new and second-hand EVs as of July 1, 2021
Two years’ free rego on EVs purchased by car rental companies and coach operators.
Tax
Not plans at this time, but will monitor based on what’s happening in other states.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA official gov. website

Incentives
7000 subsidies worth $3000 taken off purchase price at point of sale, for a limited (unspecified) time only up to value of $68,750 **– this one is tricky, SA says the **offer "may or may not" include the delivery charge and optional extras depending on whether it is used to calculate stamp duty
Three years' free registration for vehicles first registered from October 28, 2021 up to June 30, 2025
Up to $2000 to install EV smart chargers at home, but limited to 7500 households.
Tax
EV tax initially pushed back from July 1, 2022 to July 1, 2027 or 30 per cent uptake (whichever comes first) – same as NSW – but was repealed by the State's Parliament in February 2023 due to public backlash
Would have meant a 2c/km charge for plug-in hybrid vehicles, and 2.5c/km for any other electric vehicles
Calculated and billed in arrears as part of the vehicle registration process and based on the distance travelled since the last renewal.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA official gov. website

Incentives
EVs exempt from 10 per cent on-demand transport levy
Largest incentive offer in Australia – $3500 rebate for the first 10,000 Western Australians to buy an EV or FCEV from May 10, applying to vehicles under $70,000 before on-road costs, note the offer is on the RRP plus the delivery charge and optional extras.
Tax

EV tax to start from July 1, 2027
2c/km km for plug-in hybrid vehicles, and 2.5c/km for any other electric vehicles.

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Comments

          • -2

            @shoppe: It would be rude to ask about your ancestry so I won't.
            I'll just ask about your knowledge of history.

        • +1

          In Canberra they do smoke it

      • Oh wait, increased upfront costs to buy ev.
        Oh wait, these extra taxes on evs are just the beggining, just wait until the govt really gets started.
        Oh wait, you need to repair or change battery packs on your ev.

        I'll wait for you to do the math (no I won't, cause you don't know how)

        Oh wait, for your ev to charge before you can drive it. refuel takes less than 5 mins + travel to servo.

        There are pros and cons to both ice and ev, oh wait, did you think of that ???

        • +2

          People don't wait for Evs to charge they charge while your at home or at work.

          Sure on a long road trip you wait for it to recharge but honestly my days of driving Melbourne to Sydney non stop flicking the dual fuel falcon from gas to petrol just so I don't have to stop stop are long gone. I'll happily sit down and have a meal while it charges.

    • +3

      As much as the tax is annoying, if you're doing 10,000km a year, you're far better off paying $260 in EV tax than the equivalent fuel tax of $0.44 per litre

      • Exactly! And apart from welfare net mechanisms, I do like the concept of user pays. (which doesn't really include massive rebates for limited number of takeups)

      • +1

        $160, as there is $100 rego discount.

        • Same "myth" Tim Pallas used in his 'calculations'.

          Basically the implication is "EVs are perpetual motion mahines that have a zero running cost base". Cars run off petrol, EVs run on nothing.

          See the missing link here?

          Look at the cost /kWh of a fast charger (GST is payable here). GST going to Fed reserves (which fix the roads etc).

          Add that on to the numbers and see that financial incentive go bye bye.

          I'm waiting for councils wanting a piece of this action for using their roads as well.

      • +1

        you're far better off paying $260 in EV tax than the equivalent fuel tax of $0.44 per litre

        That "far better off" is just an argument for today only.
        All taxes WILL change, because the value of money changes.

        Besides, fuel tax means you have your freedoms,
        and EV tax implies everything you do gets logged.

        • +4

          Fuel tax has needed reform for decades. Wear and tear on the road is related to weight of the vehicle and distance travelled, taxing fuel by the litre has always been a poor proxy. This style of tax will become the norm whether or not you prefer EVs

          • @greatlamp: Id hope they move to more toll roads the try and tax the user based on the Speedo.

            If I drive a south Australian ev in Vic I pay no tax. If I drive my Victorian ev in South Australia I pay Victoria tax.

            I'd rather incentivise evs by giving them less paperwork and taxes then make them equal to ICE.

            Plus people have been dodging Speedos for decades.

        • Besides, fuel tax means you have your freedoms,
          and EV tax implies everything you do gets logged.

          No, it just implies your annual km is logged, which is already logged for your petrol car every time you get your car serviced.

          Let's not try to create issues that don't even exist, that doesn't help anyone.

      • +1

        you're far better off paying $260 in EV tax than the equivalent fuel tax of $0.44 per litre

        Well let's do the math.
        10000 at 8l/100km is 800 litres which works out to $352 in fuel levies. So for your $92 saving in tax, you're willing to spend $tens_of_thousands more for the vehicle? How is that better?

        • Significantly less servicing required, significantly more economical to run, less mechanical complexity, and the fossil fuel consumption is moved almost entirely to the single-target power stations.
          If you want a list of the things that are better about electric vehicles, then there's a gazillion out there, no need to ask here 🤷🏼‍♂️
          There's also plenty of downsides, the biggest two being cost and weight. Hopefully these come down with time.

          • +1

            @Nom:

            Significantly less servicing required

            I have my car serviced once a year and is not a problem for me.

            significantly more economical to run

            Well we did the maths, you're paying $tens of thousands in order to save a few hundred every now and again.

            less mechanical complexity

            Not a problem for me

            and the fossil fuel consumption is moved almost entirely to the single-target power stations.

            In China. What a win.

            If you want a list of the things that are better about electric vehicles, then there's a gazillion out there

            Well there's a couple of good and a couple of bad. Overall the trade-off is not worth the hundreds of Billions of dollars of taxpayers dollars required to make them a reality. But hey when you're spending other people's money it's easy!

          • -1

            @Nom: Everything right - except " less mechanical complexity" - EV actually significantly more complex than petrol cars. Just listen to the youtube reviews of EVs by professional mechanics.

    • +1

      Exactly. Worth a neg.

    • +1

      And hike the price of electricity. Victoria is set to go up 27%

  • +15

    Should be zero subsidies for expensive motor vehicles. Absolutely disgusting. More entitled rich people putting their grubby hands out. Shameless .

    • +6

      Rich people are the ones that drive innovation. Upper middle class improve society as they have the extra reasources

      The middle class and lower are just cogs in the machine

      • +1

        Could you bring the grease gun down to the third floor please. I'm getting a bit squeaky.

      • +3

        Then clearly they don’t need middle class or lower tax money. It’s utterly despicable. Let them pay with their own money for their virtue signalling.

      • what a joke, total rubbish.

      • Upper middle class improve society as they have the extra reasources

        Resources that were produced by factory grunts and office space plebs and then taken from them.

    • +1

      Precisely. Worth a neg.

      • Yep. Governments pissing away taxpayer funds to subsidise urban trendies' extravagant expression of how virtuous they are & fighting climate change is criminal.

        • +4

          Ha ha

          Sincerely,

          A virtuous EV driving urban trendy

          • +2

            @GrueHunter: Bought & paid for with a flashy electric toy. Just don't whinge when they turn it off remotely or stop you from charging it 😁

  • +4

    Need incentives for normal hybrids!

    • Depends on the hybrid, otherwise, you'll just get shitty hybrids where once the battery is dead your fuel efficiency drops to worse than a standard ICE.

  • +13

    Remind me in 20 years when EVs are 'hopefully' affordable for an average family.

    • +1

      how much was solar battery 10 years ago and how much is it now?

      • +18

        My 13.5kw was $2500 4 years ago after rebates.

        Today it's around $9800 after rebates.

        • +9

          Ahhh… the government paid you rebates to buy a solar battery….a crapload of rebates!
          And a few posts above you said "Taxes are to slow something down. Ie cigarettes, alcohol consumption, fossil fuel usage".
          So… paying a fraction of fuel excise for running an EV is outrageous, but you were happy to pocket a windfall of about $7K free from the government to buy a solar battery? Where did the government get that money to give to you from…. if not taxes?

          • @rooster7777: With the recent grid instability, the idea was the government needed to make some significant spending. So some smart cookie worked out they can save multiple millions in not building a large scale battery / power plant..and get individuals to pay $2500 towards it at the same time (and maintenance also becomes their problem). It also stimulates employment. So this is actually a very smart government roll out. Its a win/ win / win.

            Worth mentioning this is a state, not federal program. So not paid for with excise.

            But I get your point, and my own wording earlier could have been better. I guess I should have said this "type of tax" is not where it should be used as it slows down something you need to speed up.

        • Exclude the rebates and do the maths again

      • Hope they are cheaper! However, god knows how much electricity is going to be, in order to charge them in 20 years.. hope that's another exhorbitant cost we've resolved by then.

  • -6

    The Queensland one is a joke, the only cars u can get is the Chinese communists ones… Likely (often reported) with slave labour used in the supply lines… Otherwise no tax payer money for you…
    Maybe removing the price cap and just means testing it…

    • +1

      And what do you think you're in Australia then a "free" slave. What choices do you actually have when you have a better think about it all? You fall in the line or you're out. You call this freedom? Have a really good think about it.

      • +2

        I did, I decided you are a… better not. I don't want a moderator enforcing their authority over me.

      • At least we're free to criticise the government

        • +1

          As anyone cares, listens or that you can make any change at all. Have your 5 minutes walk through main street,gotta announce it first by the way, be surrounded by police on horses and farewell loser 🙋

          🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

        • Not what she said.

        • No, we aren't.

          The complete unhinged stupidity around COVID jabs well and truly proved that.

    • +7

      Curious if you are happy to pay more for your car (and everything else made overseas) so the so-called overseas slave labourers will be paid a fairer wage? Otherwise it sounds like virtue signalling and entitlement.

  • +1

    links would be nice

  • +6

    Probably better suited for the Forums

  • +1

    Perfect for wiki

  • So what’s the deal for the cheapest EV like ATTO 3 in NSW?

    • 3k rebate.

    • Pretty sure the MG HS is cheaper

      Later on the GWM or Atto 2 would be

  • Still too early for buying an EV, still at gimmick stage of things. Maybe in 10 years time. Especially not for a 2nd hand purchase.

    • +7

      Isnt that sad. Mitsi PHEV is coming up on 10 years in the market.

      In 10 years it will be eligible as a "vintage car".

      Apparently we have a climate problem..but who cares??

      • -4

        Apparently we have a climate problem

        Do we? Could you point to this problem with some hard evidence? Because after 40 years of hearing about the apocalypse I'm yet to see any actual evidence of it.

        • +7

          If you can't argue in good faith, then why are you even here wasting your time ?

          There is almost complete consensus among the earth's entire scientific community, but you already know this.
          To start your position with "Do we have a climate problem?" is farcical.

          • -1

            @Nom:

            If you can't argue in good faith, then why are you even here wasting your time ?

            Asking for evidence is now considered bad faith? This is as anti-science as you can get…

            There is almost complete consensus among the earth's entire scientific community,

            About what exactly? The Emperor has no clothes, simply repeating that he does doesn't change this.

            To state your position as "Do we have a climate problem" is farcical.

            Yet you are the one that can't point to any problem… yet you don't find that odd at all?

            • +3

              @1st-Amendment:

              Asking for evidence is now considered bad faith?

              On an issue with 99% consensus amongst client scientists all around the world ? Absolutely.

              If you really wanted to see evidence of the climate issue, then you'd already be out there reading it - there's study after study after study.

              Yet you are the one that can't point to any problem…

              I'm a layman, just like you. What could I possibly give you that would be better than the work already completed by a gazillion experts ?!

              • +1

                @Nom:

                On an issue with 99% consensus amongst client scientists all around the world ?

                Who has agreed specifically, and on what?
                What you are doing is just repeating a unsubstantiated opinion, which is also anti-science.

                I'm not saying that certain things aren't true, but just repeating 'everyone thinks so' is not how science works. The simple fact that pretty much every prediction about Climate doom in the last 40 years has failed to materialise doesn't make you question this just a little bit?

                What could I possibly give you that would be better than the work already completed by a gazillion experts ?!

                I'm just curious as to why you believe it. Did you read the headline and just believe it, or do you have greater insight? I watched Inconvenient Truth almost 20 years ago and bought into it, but when all of Al Gore's predictions never happened I started to question it. And once you dig under the surface, and see the money thrown around, the climate doom industry starts to look very suspicious.

          • -1

            @Nom:

            There is almost complete consensus among the earth's entire scientific community

            Science can be 'bought' through grants & funding,
            just as politicians can be lobbied to swap policies.

            All of these scenarios happen.

            There is a plausible scenario of climate phases,
            and sometimes cyclical nature of climate cannot be predicted
            because our window of observation is limited,
            to what can be weather cycles spanning thousands of years.

            The earth is a self-correcting system to maintain its own balance
            …and it will correct us all, for our greed and consumerist ways!

            • +3

              @whyisave:

              Science can be 'bought' through grants & funding,
              just as politicians can be lobbied to swap policies.
              All of these scenarios happen.

              Absolutely, and this is probably why not every single climate scientist is onboard. But the majority is big enough that we're pretty certain, I don't think we need to worry about the outliers.

              There is a plausible scenario of climate phases

              So plausible that 99.9% of the client science community have decided that man is the most likely cause. Not "climate phases".

              • @Nom:

                99.9% of the client science community have decided that man is the most likely cause

                The cause of what exactly? Start asking that question and you'll find and extremely large house of cards…

        • +2

          Ok, so forget all that "Science". Extreme weather events, and a handfull of global virus outbreaks in the last 15 years. Just coincidental cycles right…so…

          Simply catch a flight over Europe and the US over night, and simply look down and across. Squillions of lights, planes, cruise ships.. everywhere you look. This will convince you straight away that we, with out a doubt have made a significant impact on the planet.

          Then chuck a snorkel on and explore the Barrier reef. I did this 25 years ago and again recently. Nothing else required for me.

          Evs arent the answer, but its a start of the mindshift.

          • +1

            @tunzafun001:

            with out a doubt have made a significant impact on the planet.

            Sure, but mostly good. I mean life expectancy is way up, and deaths to natural events are way down. Is this something you want to give up?

            Then chuck a snorkel on and explore the Barrier reef. I did this 25 years ago and again recently. Nothing else required for me.

            Nature has cycles, things grow and die, continents shift and sink and new land is created and destroyed all the time, all naturally. So how to you determine if the the cycle you are witnessing is all nature, all man-made, or somewhere in-between? I asked that question myself and was surprised at how much of 'the science' didn't conclusively know. There's a lot of assumptions, and a lot of 'models', not much hard evidence.

    • Yes have to agree.
      I have come to the conclusion I really don't have the dosh to run an EV in regional NSW.
      Specifically due to debt provisioning in the current RBA hiking cycle.
      Plus the cheaper models have not been specced for our tough regional roads.
      For me personally best is hybrid ATM , looking for a Corolla Cross AWD GLX.

    • They’ll be almost dead and buried within 10 years. Other forms of energy will overtake PHEVs.

  • -5

    I hope everyone enjoys the virtually no infrastructure or enjoy long books or queues for powering up away from home . Pent up demand creating too people going on road trips found it out the hard way . This is no deal . A peanut from the government won't save you from massive depreciation and no infrastructure. Maybe in 4-5 years.

    • +11

      I hope everyone enjoys the virtually no infrastructure or enjoy long books or queues for powering up away from home

      Travelling from one side of the state to the other frequently and never have this problem. Plenty of city and rural charging stations and never had to queue. Then again they have enough range so I don't need to recharge halfway.

      • +3

        Haha these guys have no ide eh? Just Ampol alone will have over 130 in the nexf year alone and there are a fair few other ptrol companies as well. I think we will be ok!

        • Wait until you see the price. Lol

          • +1

            @shoppe: 69c per kWh. Going rate for faster ones than Ampcharge is 60c. Fortunately there's an abundance of Chargefox and Evie around.

            • +3

              @Clear: At average of around 30kwh charge itll only cost $20 each time, not bad, whats that 1/3 of petrol :) people are only filling enough to get home most of the time unless you do once a year road trips!

              • @TheFIREnanceGuy: Well fuel excise is 45 cents per litre plus gst. When that is added in full to the charging price for evs and when the price of electricity rises when we have more of the most expensive electricity, renewables, then you won’t be so smug. As it is the economics of owning an ev don’t stack up for most people as the purchase price is basically double that of a similar petrol or diesel vehicle.

                • +1

                  @Foxxster: Except renewables are the cheapest way to generate electricity. Electricity is delivered to every town by wires and we won’t need oil tankers, and special tanks, to store it. Actually we are about to get a whole lot smugger.

                  • @try2bhelpful: No they are not. They are the most expensive.

                    • +2

                      @Foxxster:

                      renewables are the most expensive.

                      This may have been true a decade ago. It's absolutely not the case today.

                      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/cost-renewable-energy…

                      • +1

                        @Nom: Absolutely. Even the companies that generate using fossil fuels recognise this. Especially once the initial costs are ameliorated over time. After a while it becomes gravy because the base fuel is delivered for free. We don’t need oil tankers. We don’t need to import it from overseas.

                      • @Nom: A meaningless report from the WEF. The same organisation who has said private motor vehicles are wasteful and those resources are needed for the renewable energy sector. So public transport and car share for the masses not private vehicles. As for those figures , not showing what they are. I assume they refer to LCOE, an utterly flawed measure. Maybe go and research what it means rather than than just copy paste things you clearly have no understanding of.

      • +4

        Agreed. EV fine for me. Don't know why all the negativity 🤷🏻‍♂️

        • +1

          Agreed. EV fine for me. Don't know why all the negativity 🤷🏻‍♂️

          Because not all people are you?
          There's this little concept used in Engineering called 'use cases'. What it means is that what works for one person won't necessarily work for someone else.
          In the case of EV's they will work great for many people, no problem there, and if that';s you, more power to you. But it you require longer ranges, carry heavy loads, need to refuel quickly in remote locations, or don;t have the budget for a brand new car, then they don't work so great.

          The negativity comes from the fact that these things are being forced onto people (governments all over the Western world are starting to mandate EVs) , and that is going to cause a lot of cost and hardship to the rest of the community.

          • +1

            @1st-Amendment: Correct. Everyone is different. Lostgoat seems to think everyone is going to be in those long queues he / she is talking about. But that's ok. You do you, I do me.

          • @1st-Amendment:

            EV's they will work great for many people, no problem there, and if that';s you, more power to you. But…

            Everybody understands there are people that EVs won't work for - that's absolutely fine, and those people can and should and will stick to petrol cars. There's no issue here - petrol vehicles aren't going anywhere any time soon.

            • +1

              @Nom:

              petrol vehicles aren't going anywhere any time soon.

              You might want to check the latest legislation. They already have sunset bans in place in many places such as the EU, ACT, California and New York states. The list grows all the time and the end result will be a huge jump in the cost of living for most people and a huge competitive advantage to tyrannical states such as China and Russia that don't buy into such foolishness. We could be on the precipice of the largest economic suicide in modern history, all self-inflicted.

              • @1st-Amendment: Yep, I'm fully aware of the timetable - which is why I said "petrol vehicles aren't going anywhere any time soon."

                There's plenty of time to keep buying petrol vehicles 👍

        • +6

          Don't know why all the negativity 🤷🏻‍♂️

          There isn't negativity in general, as usual it's just a few outliers who don't see the bigger picture. Just ignore them 👍

          • @Nom:

            There isn't negativity in general, as usual it's just a few outliers who don't see the bigger picture.

            What is this 'bigger picture' in your eyes?
            That most of the 'renewable' revolution is being built in China which has no commitment to any emission reduction. For every tonne of CO2 we reduce here, at a great cost to us, they are increasing by 100 tonnes to build our solar panels, wind turbines and batteries using newly built coal power at a profit.
            Which part of that do you think is a good thing?

    • +1

      virtually no infrastructure or enjoy long books or queues for powering up away from home

      Rubbish, and I'd hazard a guess you don't even own an EV. Might get the odd queue during peak holiday times, but 99.9% no issues.

      Plenty of investment going into EV infrastructure.

      • Plenty of investment going into EV infrastructure.

        EV chargers station powered by coal.

        • +2

          Not all of them.

          • +1

            @Clear: I produce a huge amount of excess solar : ready to pass on those electrons to the grid - just a pity I can't dictate they all go to EV charging stations

        • It'll still be more efficient and better for the suburbs and city residents.

        • Most are 100 renewable energy sources. Those that aren't, on average the grid is over 40% renewables anyways and getting better.
          For myself, I charge at home from Solar 90% of the time.
          Though this is ideal use circumstances.
          I view it as similar to the early days of digital photography (Fuji camera made their first consumer digital camera in 1988 at about $20,000 USD). People were a bit resistant and overwhelmed by the change in the early 2000's when it became popular, but after 20 years from the first very expensive models people will just accept the reality that it's better in almost every way.

          • @Stutangclan: I don't believe 2022 alone achieved over 10% on renewables share , when it was only 29% in 2021.
            https://www.energy.gov.au/data/electricity-generation

            Upcoming 114 new coal and gas projects in Australia’s investment pipeline that contain more than double the amount of our annual domestic carbon emissions.

        • More than 30% of grid power in 2021 was supplied by renewables. Seems like every few weeks are at breaking previous records for renewables powering x% of the grid for certain time periods. The 30% figure will continue to rise.

      • +1

        Might get the odd queue during peak holiday times,

        I like how you just brush this off like it's not even a thing. Imagine every-time you go on a driving holiday you have the fear of being stranded at a charging station for hours on end.

    • Can you imagine if/when 20% of vehicles are EVs? There’ll be carnage at the charging stations.

      • Why? By that point there will be chargers everywhere. People will still just charger at home anyway.

        • We struggle with energy demand now.

          You'd better pray for fusion energy and a charging network that much smaller countries are struggling to supply.

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